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accomplishment and pride on their faces. you can't teach that to someone. it's something you have to go out and learn. this program give s them that opportunity. top of the hour, i'm pamela brown in for poppy harlow this saturday. you're live in the cnn newsroom. we begin with the death of former cuban leader fidel castro. to some, he was a revolutionary hero. to others he was a brutal dictator who ruled the communist nation with an iron fist. when castro and his revolutionaries took power in 1959, he released white doves to symbolize a new era of peace and prosperity in cuba. 57 years later, castro's death is triggering two very different types of reactions. some are shedding tears of grief, others tears of joy. in miami, the heart of the cuban exile community, celebrations
erupted when news broke that castro had died on friday at the age of 90. many there say castro's death will close a dark chapter in cuba's history. the mood in cuba's capital is quiet and somber as people there worry about what might happen next. we're getting reaction from president obama and president-elect trump. trump says while cuba remains a totalitarian island, it is his hope for a future in which the wonderful cuban people live in the freedom they richly deserve. from president obama, "during my presidency we worked hard to put the past behind us. the relationship between our two countries is defined not by our differences but by the many things we shared as neighbors and friends, bonds of family, culture, commerce, and common humanity." the death of former dictator fidel castro is cause for celebration by many in miami,
marching, chanting and waving the cuban flag. many here fled castro's oppressive communist regime for freedom in america. for some there is a very different reaction. >> reporter: the cuban people are feeling sad because of the loss of fidel castro. we wish him, wherever he is, that he is blessed. us cubans love him. >> cnn correspondent ed lavendera joins me now from little havana. ed, how do you reconcile the different reactions to castro's death? why do most celebrate and some mourn, like the woman we just heard? >> reporter: to cuban exiles here in miami, fidel castro represents the evilness of the cuban dictatorship, someone who imprisoned political dissidents,
tore apart families. that's the real anger and animosity that many cubans who live in the united states feel toward the castro regime, not just fidel castro but also his brother and the entire regime that has existed there for so many decades. we are here in the heart of little havana in front of the versailles restaurant. this is the owner of the restaurant, felipe velaz. you left cuba. people are celebrating in front of your restaurant. how do you put into words what this day is like? >> i'm honored that versailles is always the place where things are happening, which the media come to get in touch with the pulse of the people. it's a symbolic moment. it's a reality that things are going to change. this has to be good for cuba, that fidel has died. now, a lot has happened, some
things are worse than before. but the symbol of fidel, the originator of this false revolution and this whole horrible things that have happened to cuba, he's the man, he's the symbol. i think now the hope in the hearts of cubans there, the hopes of the cubans here is that there will be better things for all. >> reporter: this is the kind of thing people are debating in front of the coffee stand. what will this mean for the future? some people think it's not going to do much, that the system that is in place will be entrenched for generations. do you think it will make a difference? >> well, there's no doubt it's entrenched. there's no doubt there's very little movement from the regime in general. that's nothing to move that too much. but if there's one thing and one symbol that alleviates in the minds of so many over there and of the hopes of the ones here is fidel castro. there has to be positive from this happening. >> reporter: i'm sure over the last year or so, as president obama has tried to normalize the
relationship between the u.s. and cuba, you've heard the conversations here about that, what are people saying about the future of that relationship? what do they want to see? do they like the path that it's on or do they want to take it backwards? >> in general the generations of my parents have a more negative view of that than the youth. there's also 100,000 or so cubans that have come from the island that are here that have a different view. everybody has a different view on what's going to happen. the one common thread is that everybody wants liberty and democracy and a true vote to see who leads cuba. everybody wants that. there are some more skeptical than others on when is this going to happen. but the death of fidel is much more powerful than any approach to cuba and any softening of all these things. the death of fidel is very important. >> reporter: have you ever been
back? >> i have not. >> reporter: do you plan to? >> some day, yes. when cuba is free, we shall be there. >> reporter: it's quite a sight for you. >> a heck of a weekend. >> reporter: a heck of a weekend, as he says. this has been a place where people have been chanting, "at last this day has come." >> i know this is personal for you as your parents fled castro's regime. ed lavendera, thank you for that reporting from little havana. fidel castro's death is triggering powerful reactions around the globe. it's the reaction of one man, president-elect trump, that may have the biggest impact on cuba's future. president obama spent a lot of time trying to defrost the u.s./cuban relationship. he made an historic trip to cuba this year, becoming the first sitting u.s. president to visit cuba since 1928. obama took steps to reopen economic ties with cuba. will president-elect trump toss
president obama's cuba initiatives out the window? we'll talk it over with josh rogan. what do we know about trump's stance about cuba? >> sure. trump has said a lot about what he would do about cuba. the vast majority of the time he said that president obama's opening to cuba was a bad deal. he's not opposed to bring cuba back into the fold, but he thinks cuba must do more in order to receive the social and economic benefits that come with a normalized relationship with the united states. what more, you may ask? what we've seen is that the u.s. trade embargo in cuba has not proved to move the castro away from its admittedly brutal and
repressive policies. the question will be for donald trump when he takes office, does he want to roll back those policies? he will have the ability to do so, they're mostly executive orders. congress has not lifted the embargo. the question is does he see any benefit to taking those relationships away, taking u.s. business access to cuba away. >> as you said, he has said he will roll it back unless cuba gives civil and religious freedom. raul castro has said he will step down in 2018. what can we expect? >> as the critics have pointed out, we have not seen a relaxation of the repressive policies of the castro regime since raul took power ten years ago, nor since the obama administration normalized relations with cuba last year. we're not likely to see progress
just based on the threats of president-elect donald trump. it's simply not going to happen. we might see some progress in 2018. raul castro has pledged to step down as approximated. it president. it's unclear what could happen after that, he could appoint a successor. what is clear is that cuba is changing. how the united states positions itself to respond to those changes will determine how the relationship functions. we can go ahead and put those walls back up, but will that achieve our goals in the end? probably not. >> why is it important for the u.s. to have a thawing of relations with cuba? >> overall, cuba is our neighbor and is going to be our neighbor forever. in the end, everyone, even the critics and the supporters of president obama's policies can agree that cubans, millions of people who have been living under the castro regime, would be better off in the long run if
the relationship with the united states was better. the question is how do you get there. do you get there through pressuring the regime or by engaging the regime? most experts that i talk to who really know cuba will tell you that it takes a mixture, okay? you can't just isolate the island and expect the castro regime to fall. at the same time, we shouldn't abandon our appeals to the cuban government to give its people more human rights. the trump administration will have to thread that needle and come up with a system of sticks and carrots that uses u.s. influence in the greatest possible way. >> josh rogan, thank you so much, we do appreciate it. ahead, more reaction on the death of fidel castro. mel martinez joins me next. jill stein will join me to talk about the recount effort and trump's sharp reaction to it. you're live in the cnn newsroom.
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i am joined by jill stein herself. dr. stein, thank you for coming on the show to talk about this. what is your reaction to trump's scathing statement about you? >> well, you know, i'm really glad he's talking about it. i feel honored he's blaming the recount effort on me. this is clearly a grassroots, very people-powered campaign, powered by over 110,000 donors contributing on average $45. and for his information, this is actually all going into a dedicated and segregated account so that it can only be spent on the recount campaign. so, you know, he may be creating his own facts here, as he's been known to do sometimes in the past. and i think, you know, he himself said that it was a rigged election, unless he won it. but i think that sort of, shall we say, not exactly compelling
thinking is not particularly persuasive to the american people. this is an election. in this bitter and divisive election, the american people are looking for a positive way forward that will protect our rights to vote. not only against republicans, but against democrats, and as we know, there are concerns about three states in particular as examples of potential hacking. there was likewise in the democratic primary. i myself was very disappointed and bernie sanders did not mount a challenge. the point to drive home here is that having a secure elections process benefits us all. and i invite everyone, i invite donald trump's campaign, hillary's campaign, we've had calls out to gary johnson's campaign, this should be a nonpartisan, people-powered effort to ensure that we can rely on the integrity and the security of our votes.
>> as it stands now, dr. stein, there is no evidence that there was actually hacking on any of the systems on election day to tamper with the outcome. there were allegations, as you'll recall, leading up to election day, that these alleged attempted hacks by russia was really an effort to undermine our democracy by passing doubt on the election. does pursuing a recount do the same thing? >> you know, i think what we need is confidence in our system. and we walk out of this election, you know, with american confidence at an all-time low. over 80% of voters said that they were disgusted by the process of this election. and there's been an incredible loss of faith in our basic institutions of government. i don't think we fix this by just trying to sweep it under the rug. we need to stand up. we need to take a look. and this should be a first step towards creating institutions that we can rely on. we're not only calling for a
verified vote in this election, but going forward we need to have paper evidence of our votes. right now we have a lot of electronic machines. in fact in the state of wisconsin, electronic voting machines are being used that have been rendered illegal in the state of california because they are an open door to hacking. what we know is this. going into this election, and throughout the election, we saw hacking taking place all over the place, of state voter databases, of the democratic party's vote database, of private e-mail accounts. this was a hack-riddle be election. and add to that voting machines that are basically an open door to tampering and interference. when you get into an airplane, you want to know that there are safety systems and backup systems to be sure that you're going to be safe in that airplane. our voting system deserves no
less. we need to put an end to these electronic machines that have no paper trail. we need to ensure that we have a paper trail, and that we not only have the ability to recount, as now, but that we install in the process, in all of our elections, quality assurance through an automatic audit that ensures that the vote count is accurate. >> let me just ask you this, dr. stein. i want to get your reaction to trump's campaign boss, kellyanne conway, who says, what happens to sore losers after asking mr. trump and his team a million times on the trail will he accept the election results, it turns out the hillary clinton campaign and their new bff jill stein cannot accept reality? what do you say to that accusation that you're essentially being hypocritical? >> i have had no contact with the clinton campaign, although
our lawyers will contact them to ensure that if there are any moves in the legal area, if they actually do request a recount, and it's not clear that they're going to, but if they do, we don't want to be in each other's way. i cannot speak for the clinton campaign. i can speak for my campaign. what i said consistently throughout the campaign is if there were questions raised about the reliability or the accuracy or the security of the vote, then i would stand up and file that challenge, no matter who the winner was. to me, this is not about overturning the results of the election. it's not about who's the winner and who's the runner-up. the question here is whether we the voters can start to have a voting system that we believe in. and right now people don't believe in it. and you can see that by the incredible outpouring of grassroots support, basically what we did was put out a press
release that we were intending to call for a recount, in three highly vulnerable states. and when we put out that press release and put up a web page, the floodgates opened. and that's all that we have done to actually solicit support. people were wound up and ready to go. people wanted to do something positive after this very brutal and discouraging election. people want to see a new direction going forward, a direction that we, the people, are leading, that the political establishment is not leakding, that ensures that we the voters can start to take back this promise of a democracy that we deserve. >> some people may look at your efforts and say you're trying to help hillary clinton here, that you're on hillary clinton's side with this. is that true? and what is in this for you personally? >> you know, i would say what's in this for us as voters.
we need to know that our votes are counted, that they're not being hacked, that they're not being tampered with. but as an independent political party, we need to know that our votes are being counted as well. so we want to know what our vote count is in this election and we also want to know going forward, you know, where we have candidates running in 2017 and 2018, we want to know that our votes are being counted in local elections as well. as democratic and republican and independent candidates deserve to have confidence that their votes are being counted. i think this is not a partisan effort. this is about just basic principles of democracy. >> even before election day, did you plan on doing this recount, then? >> i have always said, the question always comes up, in 2004, the green party led the recount effort in ohio when there was rather glaring
evidence of tampering. based on the results of that campaign for verified voting, the state of california changed its rules and changed what voting machines would and wouldn't be allowed. the state of new mexico, based on the discussions in 2004, they went forward and modified their voting process so they now use paper ballots, they have all audits of those ballots, and the have automatic recounts when the counts are very close. so we as voters are all going to benefit here. and what i always said from the very beginning of the campaign when the question came up, i always said that we would step forward and support the american people in our quest for a democracy that we can count on, and for a voting system that we can trust. and when the evidence began to emerge that we were being hacked all over the place, my conviction only strengthened
that this is something we have to do as ordinary people here in in massachusetts and throughout the u.s. whether our political establishment buys into it or not. i don't speciaexpect them to, b they don't particular benefit here. >> thank you for coming on and sharing your voice with us. we appreciate it. moving right along. as americans gather on this holiday weekend, we can't forget about our brave men and women in harms way overseas. >> i'm actually honored to be here. you know, being with family, right now it's my time to be out here, and i just happen to be serving. >> up next in a cnn exclusive, we take you to the skies above iraq and syria to show you how the air war against isis is heating up.
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millions of americans are spending this holiday weekend celebrating with their families. others are putting their lives on the line in the fight against isis. cnn's frederik pleitgen was in the air with americans assisting in that fight. >> reporter: this thanksgiving, americans are in harm's way, fighting isis, on the ground and in the air. we're on board a kc-10 extender
refueling jet flying over iraq and syria. captain clark polika commanding the massive airborne gas station. >> a challenging environment. it's very rewarding. >> reporter: the first batch of planes, two f-15 eagle strike aircraft. getting them hooked up to the tanker at 400 miles per hour, a challenge for the crews of both planes. here is the boom operator. >> it is two moving aircraft. but they are moving at around the same speed. just the rate of closure that the aircraft has towards you, when they stop and you're able to give them that contact. >> reporter: the kc-10 refuels planes for all members of the u.s.-led coalition against isis, including c-130 hercules transporters and the mighty warthog with its massive cannon and bombs clearly visible
through the window. the planes that are flying missions against isis could only stay in the area of operations for an hour or an hour and a half without this tanker. but thanks to this tanker, they can stay in the area to fight isis for hours. instead of turkey and football, it's eight to ten-hour missions hovering over a battlefield. the pain of being away from their loved ones mitigated by the contribution they're making to the war against terror. >> i love flying. i wouldn't rather be doing anything else. it is hard being away from family. i love this job. i enjoy supporting our country. >> i'm actually honored to be here. you know, being away from family, they understand it. right now it's my time to be out here. i just happen to be serving. >> reporter: around mosul, we see the billowing smoke of oil fires isis has started to try and distract coalition planes.
but thanks to the tanker jet, u.s.-led aircraft can stay airborne as long as it takes to find their targets and take them out. fred pleitgen, cnn, with the u.s. air force over iraq and syria. >> thanks to frederik pleitgen for that report. coming up live in the cnn newsroom, more reaction on the death of cuba's fidel castro. senator mel martinez will join me live. you'll see what a fair price is, and you can connect with a truecar certified dealer. now you're even smarter. this is truecar. what ever happened to theo say, "handling"?ing and handling"? i do all the handling. can you handle this laptop before we ship it, nick? there's free shipping, and handling on everything at dell.com. ♪
to discuss castro's legacy, i'm joined by u.s. senator from florida mel martinez. he left castro's cuba in 1952 and settled in florida. thank you so much for coming on the show, senator. >> good to be with you, pamela. >> what was your reaction when you heard the news? >> you know, it's something that has been anticipated for a long time. and it finally came. it was almost anticlimactic in a way, although it was a day of tremendous excitement for cubans inside and outside of cuba. one of my first thoughts was my parents didn't live long enough frankly to see a day without fidel castro hanging over our heads. at the same time i believe that for those of us who are here, we need to be thinking about the future of the cuban people, the opportunity that is perhaps available now for there to be real change inside of cuba. and the hope is that freedom, democracy, the same kind of
opportunity to live a free life, that frankly all the other countries in the western hemisphere, with some rare exceptions, can enjoy, that it would come to the cuban people as well so they also can improve their lives economically, which are mired in misery right now and have been under this regime. you know, look, my thoughts just ramble on. i'll be glad to answer your questions. >> clearly this is something that evokes powerful emotion for those who lived in cuba. as we talked about, you left cuba, you once lived there. what do you remember of your life in cuba under castro? >> oh, well look, i remember the dramatic change that occurred in my life before and after the castro regime. it's often thought of improvements that came about, i only lived under castro for three years. what i can remember was firing squads, the inability to speak
freely, the closing of catholic schools and religious schools, the repression and imprisonments. i remember the bay of pigs. i was here alone as part of the peter pan exodus when my parents were still in cuba during the missile crisis. to me my youth was marked in many ways by fidel castro's taking over our country and turning it into a brutal military dictator. when you look at his legacy, it's a legacy of a lot of very negative things, i believe. i don't know that it equates in any way with anything positive that might have come about as a result of his rule in cuba. by the way, it's not only those of us that are cuban americans that live in the united states. we're the only ones that are free to express that. but when cnn reports that the people in cuba are mourning, i'm sure there are people in cuba that are mourning, and i'm sure his family is mourning. but i promise you there's an awful lot of cubans who would love to tell to your air that they're rejoicing today for the
hopes of freedom, for the hope of democracy, and the hope of a better life. but they wouldn't daresay say because in cuba one is not allowed to do what i'm doing with you today, speaking one's view. >> do you think there is any genuine mourning in cuba and around the world? we've seen a dichotomy of responses to his death. >> around the world, sure, because they haven't had to live under his dictatorial regime for 57 years. in cuba, the ruling class, the same people who were in romania, sad to see ceauscieu leave the scene. there are those who benefit by
the regime. the question is how far does that filter and what is best for the cuban people going forward. rather than focus on the sordid past that castro has been a part of, my hope is the future that can come to the cuban people will be one of change, dramatic differences from what has been, that raul castro will use this opportunity to institute the kind of changes that president obama was hopeful would be the case with his opening to cuba. none of that has materialized. one can only hope this pike a turning point in which change can come to the cuban people. >> we'll have to see what happens. senator martinez, thank you very much. >> my pleasure. up next, the clinton campaign joining a recount effort in several key states. president-elect donald trump is calling the efforts ridiculous and a scam. we'll talk about it, next.
president-elect donald trump is firing off on what he calls a ridiculous effort to recount votes in several key states. in a newly released statement, trump blasts jill stein who is leading the effort, saying in part, it is just a way for jill stein to fill her coffers with money. let's talk with a former official with the sanders campaign. also with us, scotty hughes who
supported trump in the election. thank you, ladies, good to see you again. scotty nell, for months trump suggested this election was rigged, so much so that he encouraged supporters to monitor polling stations. if trump had lost, would he also not be calling for a recount as well? >> if there were some actual evidence to it. this is one difference between hillary clinton saying that we need to look at it, who possibly might actually alter the change, versus jill stein who raised more in the last few days than she did in her campaign. if she is not doing this for money, why is she continuing to up the amount she wants to raise, not based on what she needs but for what she says will be attorneys' fees and poll watchers and consultants? she is up to $7 million. this isn't necessarily doing what's best and bringing some sort of belief to the system. this is all about just making sure for some reason either she
pays off her debts or has some other -- >> hold on. because we just spoke to jill stein in the last hour, the last block. she says that all this money will be put into a separate account and will go toward the recount. that is what she is saying. >> what about the extra? does she return the money she doesn't use? she says she's going to apply for it, that doesn't necessarily mean it's going to happen. you have to have evidence for this to happen. she's only talking about the one state right now. >> she's saying two but perhaps beyond that. simone, democrats pounced when trump raised these rigging claims. are democrats now sort of doing what they spoke out against? is this hypocritical? >> no, not at all. during the general election, mr. trump flat out denied to go ahead and say that he would just go ahead and accept the election results because we just don't know.
he casted doubt upon our democracy, basically. that's not what democrats are doing. what democrats are saying is, jill stein has led this effort, and i am not here to defend jill stein under any circumstances, but she says she wants to get folks together to do the recount. now you have the clinton campaign coming in to make sure it's on the up and up. we do have evidence that our elections in general were tampered with. we know that the russians dipped their toe into our elections more than a couple of times with fake news, with hacking of the democratic national committee, the clinton campaign's personal e-mails. it's not hypocrisy. it's coming in to ensure that whatever recount is happening, is happening on the up and up. and if there's anything that's found, we'll deal with it as it comes. >> scotty, 30 seconds. go. >> what's interesting, you don't hear the democrats screaming back in 2008 when barack obama lost to hillary clinton the popular vote, we didn't hear the idea of rigging.
instead they accepted it and pushed barack obama who became president. it's time to move on and unify the countries. >> what is remarkable, you look at the amount raised, millions of dollars. there has been a filing in wisconsin. jill stein says she will continue to file for recounts. we'll be watching the story. we appreciate it, ladies, see you soon. coming up on this saturday, fidel castro had many detractors in america's cuban exile community. but african-americans in harlem gave him a warm welcome on two separate occasions. we'll tell you why.
fidel castro may be despised by cuban exiles in florida who fled his repressive regime to florida, but in new york reaction was much different on two occasions. castro got a warm welcome from african-americans twice when he was in the city addressing the united nations. senior u.n. correspondent richard roth explains why. >> reporter: fidel castro was despised by cuban exiles in florida and opposed by the u.s. government. but in new york's harlem community, many welcomed him as a hero. in 1960, castro came to address
the united nations as the new leader of cuba. his delegation checked into a nearby hotel. >> he ran into trouble in a midtown hotel in part because of the live chickens he had brought with him. so fidel and his entourage moved uptown to the hotel theresa. and a stimulated, excited crowd of african-americans, thousands who gathered in the street below the hotel, cheering him on. >> he was invited by the popular leader in this community. and he stayed in the theresa hotel, receiving a lot of visits from political people of that time, like nikita khrushchev and some others. >> reporter: he also met with black nationalist leader malcolm x. >> in the united states in the 1960s, segregation was still legal. so as african-americans looked at the situation in the early
'60s, what fidel had been going to do is to target racial discrimination in cuba. >> reporter: castro returned to the u.n. and the u.s. in 1995. and when he addressed the general assembly, it seemed he might have given up on some of his revolutionary ways. >> when fidel was downtown, he was wearing a suit and tie, trying to fit in as best he could with the suits. but when he came here, he could relax and for fidel, that means military fatigues. it just restates the revolutionary commitment that black folk feel about a country that takes seriously the struggle against racism. >> reporter: that night, castro was greeted to a standing ovation at a harlem church. >> anybody that can talk for two, three, four hours and have the crowd constantly cheering, i've met nobody in my life that can do that to us as americans.
>> >>. >> interpreter: if there is something that makes us proud, this is the 15 years that we fought against south africa against apartheid. >> when the south african revolutionists needed help, it was castro who was there for them. >> whatever criticisms one can make of the cuban regime, african-americans of various political stripes appreciate what castro and the regime accomplished concretely around issues of racial discrimination. >> reporter: richard roth, cnn, new york. >> thank you to richard roth. coming up live in the newsroom, we'll go to miami's little havana where people are celebrating the death of fidel castro. stay with us. we'll be right back.
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