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installme installment. . >> we're going to continue to report on the questions that arise. be sure to follow m me @jaketapper. that's it for me. i'm jake tapper. now it's wolf blitzer in "the situation room." chaos at ohio state university as a man plows into pedestrians with a car, then goes on a stabbing rampage. did he have ties to terror? isis plots uncovered. a british general revealed in documents and digital files seized in syria. what were the terrorists targeting in the united states? infighting and irritation. they're reportedly fueling over the president.
contenders including mitt romney, but and questioning the results. donald trump claims millions of people voted illegally in the election but offers no. why is the effort unlikely to change the outcome of the election? i'm wolf blitzer. glur the situation room. the breaking news this summer, new information about the man behind the possible terror attack at ohio state university. school officials have identified him as al rozik ali artan.
he used a butcher knife stabbing people before being caught by campus police. prote prote we have general david petraeus saying he was, quote, very impressed, but trump is said to be irritated by the republican campaign that kellyanne conway is waging, among others, against mitt romney. a source inside the trump team say the chief of staff should not be nominated and our correspondents and our. let's begin with the attack at ohio state yoourt. pamela brown, you're on the
scene. >> reporter: we learned that the suspect was a student here at the ohio state university of somali descent. he's a permanent resident of the united states by the name of rozik ali artan. he drove his car into the building behind me, releasing chaos and fear. around 9:52 a.m., chaos erupted near the buildings of science and engineering programs. then the male driver, identified as abdul rajak, jumps out and continues to vote with his ar r armor. all i'm saying, this situation, less than a minute. the end of the situation, less than a minute.
the suspect was doa. >> there was like 40 cop cars, everyone is very frantic and all the swat teams are getting together and cops are still pulling up. >> a text goes out to all students telling them to. >> reporter: the management department told students to run, hide, m. >> students barricade their classroom doors in an effort to keep the attacker at bay. they tried to contain the situation as quickly as possible. >> we ever a new military men in our class who actually are standing by the doors, keeping us safe. feeling pretty good about that. >> police say there was so many.
police said there was no question he meant to do harm. >> the only thing that you can say based upon common knowledge was this was bdone on purpose, o go over the curb, and to go after them with a knife, that was on purpose. >> and officials say there is an elaborate camera system here on congress. investigators have been reviewing that and it shows the suspect inspector her coal and cup right now cht. we have a lot to investigate here in. pamela brown in ohio state university. gets to. >>. so police are suggesting this possibly could be an act of
terror. do you buy that? >> i was told that ld. are there ways we can present. the fbi seems to want to collect more information on everyone, whether you're guilty or innocent or whether there is any suspicion. i think we're collecting so much data we're getting lost in the data, so what i'd like to see is more specific targeted investigations using warrants for people who have probable cause. if there is suspicion beforehand, we try to go deep into the situation to find out more about it. but instead, we're asking for broad powers to look at everyone's information. i would like to see the fbi do a better job as. he was dipped prooel pefld
chltd. >> wednesday we do know about this individual shlt r. his family was from somalia. he was a first year student in ohio state university. that's what we do know of the not a u. they want freedom and prosperity, but they did come through the rhee he. i think the president was elected with a message saying, you know what? we need to refew the riff try to not have people coming into our country. i'm all for people who want to be work and port of the ift. part of that means religious tolerance, believing in the first amendment, religious liber liberty. vetting in extreme countries
where there are ter federal -- for which we an adversarial if not an enemy type of relationship, we do have to be careful. >> would you go so far, senator, just to ban people from those countries until the terrorist threat ends? >> what i think we need to know is who is coming in and who is leaving. we know who is coming in. i don't know we're doing enough screening. we have no idea who is leaving. about 40% of people overstay their vvisas. we don't know who they are or where they are. yes, we do need control over who comes in and who leaves. the constitution does not yet apply to people who have not come here. once a situation is included, but it doesn't say speckly about those who haven't come. that's an unknown rule and a rule we have in society to decide what our immigration laws are going to be. >> you agree with retired
general general flynn who is going to be the new security adviser. fear of muslims is rational -- rational all caps -- the truth here is no questions. >> i saw a lot of his statements and i saw a lot of his speeches, and i think if you put the words radical islam in place of muslim or for people who have an extreme idealogy who most muslims in this country would condemn as not being true to the faith of islam. i think it would have been much better spoken, and i think if you were given a chance to clear that up, that's what he would say, he meant radical islam, he didn't say rational islam. >> a fear he was going to put a muslims coming into the united states. i think he revised that later.
>> i think if he were here, he would say, it was in the heat of the battle. we said things that went campaign trail. >> death to christians and death to jews, but that's not an idealogy of people toll his top advisers. you agree with that? >> i think in most campaigns you find that words almost get entempered on the campaign trail and get tempered when people are able to think about it. >>. if police in washington, d.c. suspect an individual and they have information that they had gathered that this thfgs is final follow through the lay
from going to a church, but i think there is a position where you say, oh, we're going to target churches or we're going to target mosques. >> you're on a homeland security division. you know the reagan peninsula on line. if you don't have a gun, get a knife. if you don't have a gun, get a car. they describe the pickup truck as the ultimate boeing machine. do you suspect that's what happened in this particular case? >> it shows we'll have to continue to be more careful and do something better. my point is it's how we go about it. i want to more specifically target the people for whom we have suspicion. >> more to discuss, including the latest developments on the transition, the donald trump transition. we're going to continue our conversation with senator rand
we're back with senator rand paul of kentucky. we're following the breaking news, president-elect donald trump meeting with retired general david petraeus as trump looks to fill the key position of secretary of state. let's get some details from lafatti. he just tweeted he was very impressed. what's the latest? >> it really is the job of secretary of state, the most high profile cabinet position, which is causing so much of the dispute between trump's team. trump taking meetings today and tomorrow with three of the men under consideration for this top
job, including, sources telling cnn, having dinner tomorrow night with mitt romney, the man at the center of this battle. the infighting within donald trump's transition team is now boiling over into a public feud. >> thank you. >> reporter: a deep split emerging from within the president-elect's inner circle over who should serve as secretary of state. the battle lines are adrawn between those fighting for mitt romney and those fighting for rudy giuliani. >> i'm all for party unity, but i betrayed. there was movement and then there was mitt romney. >> reporter: sources tell cnn
that trump was irritatedover the public campaign with conway. but now others within trump's inner circle are going on the attack. >> what do i know about mitt romney? i know he is a self-serving egomaniac who puts himself first, who has a chip on his shoulder and thinks he should be president of the united states. >> i think we would be enormously disappointed if he brought mitt romney into any position of authority. >> reporter: down playing the infighting but playing up a potential romney pick. >> there is a lot of opinions about this, and yes, it is sort of a team of rivals concept if he were to go toward the governor romney concept. >> reporter: as this public jockeying between romney and giuliani loyalists continues, other lobbyists for the position are emerging. trump bringing in former cia director, retired four-star general david petraeus to trump tower today. >> very good conversation and we'll see where it goes from
here. >> reporter: petraeus resigned in 2012 and pled guilty to mishandling classified information which trump accused hillary clinton of doing via her private e-mail server. also under consideration, tennessee senator bob corker who will meet with trump tomorrow. and trump is now also calling in mitt romney for a second round of meetings since their first sit-down nine days ago. >> in the case of governor romney, the two, quite frankly, hadn't spent that much time together. and so this gives them a little more time to do so. >> reporter: romney quietly waiting in the wings in the time since, making no mention of the drama swirling around him, tweeting only about his family. quote, no greater joy than making discoveries together with grandchildren. all this going on as donald trump still works to fill those
meetings with david townsend and bill clark. we are also waiting to hear from ben carson who is taking the holiday weekend to consider the possibility of taking the post at housing and urban development. wolf? also breaking this hour, michigan is now officially declaring donald trump the winner of 16 electoral votes almost six weeks after the election. trump won there just under 11,000 votes. but the push for a recount in some states gaining steam now. michigan may be included as well. our senior correspondent jeff has more knowledge. even though he won the election, trump is once again talking about voting fraud. sgrz donald trump is suggesting he actually won the popular vote if millions of people hadn't voted illegally. the election may be over but there are new signs of chaos the
2016 campaign is not. donald trump is showing signs tonight of being a sore winner. the president-elect is suggesting with zero evidence to back up his claim that he won the popular vote. and he's a victim of widespread election fraud. in addition to winning the electoral college in a landslide, trump wrote on twitter, i won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally. after repeatedly railing against the system on the campaign trail -- >> it is a rigged system. and be careful with the voting, be careful with everything. you watch everything, folks. >> reporter: -- he's now throwing out blatant and baseless allegations on twitter. serious voter fraud in virginia, new hampshire and california. so why isn't the media reporting on this? serious bias, big problem. election officials in all three states say trump's charges are flat out wrong. trump transition officials have not offered any hard evidence to back up his staggering claims of fraud. hillary clinton's lead in the
popular vote has climbed to over 2 million. despite charging that millions of fraudulent votes were cast nationwide, trump is actually crying foul over the recount getting under way in wisconsin. the wisconsin elections commission said today it would start counting nearly 3 million ballots again at the request of green party candidate jill stein. she's pledging to foot the $1 million tab in wisconsin, even as she pushes for recounts in michigan and pennsylvania. trump swept the three red states. a recount is highly unlikely to change the outcome. >> this is not bush v. gore. >> trump, who won the election by 22,000 votes, called the recount a scam. the leader of the election commission blasted trump for peddling what he called a conspiracy theory. >> to say that it's not fair or that people are counting illegal
votes, from my vantage point is an insult to the people that run our elections. >> reporter: the clinton campaign says there is no evidence of wrongdoing but still plans to observe the wisconsin recount. that set up a political firestorm. >> the idea that we are going to drag this out now where the president-elect has been incredibly magnanimous to the clintons and the obamas is pretty incredible. >> mark elias, trump's top attorney, we are getting attacked for participating in a recount that we ask for by the man who won election but thinks there was massive fraud. on thursday there is a deadline of december 12. reince priebus, chairman of the national republican committee and soon to be trump's chief of staff, called it a waste of time. >> we will sit there and look through scanned ballots, we'll look again for the second time
and they'll lose again for the second time, but our country doesn't need it. >> it's not just wisconsin. the deadline for request of a recount in michigan is on wednesday. the results of michigan were certified today by the secretary of state's office. trump officially won by 10,704 votes at nearly 5 million votes cast. it's the only state in the country cnn had yet to call, putting trump's oy fisfficial t at 47.5% to clinton's 45.2. making us wonder why he is making allegations of voter fraud. >> the president-elect to make this charge that millions of people voted illegally in this most recent presidential election? >> i don't quite understand it. i do think there are two sides in the issue, but as far as the
elections, whether or not they're legitimate, we've had times of periods in our history where we've had problems. we've had people go to jail in kentucky for rigging elections, texas back in the '50s, '60s, '70s, but i think it's better than it used to be. i think people worry about systemic cheating, people hacking inhack ing computers because it's become computerized, so there are various checks and balances that people can see because i don't think we want to distrust our system. i largely do trust our system. >> when he says millions -- his words, millions of people who voted illegally. there is no evidence that millions of people voted illegally. >> i don't know anything about that. >> but do you lose faith in the president-elect when he makes a charge like that? >> i just don't understand it. >> you just want to leave it like that? >> yeah, i just don't want to say about something i don't have a lot of information about and i don't think there are millions of people voting illegally. >> people say it's very hurtful to the u.s. democracy.
people around the world are a watching the president-elect of the united states. he tweeted, i won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally. then in other tweet, he said, serious voter fraud in virginia, new hampshire and california, so why isn't the media reporting on this serious bias big problem? have you seen evidence of serious voter fraud in those three states? >> no, but i think there's concern, and i think what we need to do moving forward, because people are bringing up and placing these doubts about our election system, there were word of russians hacking into our computer systems, that maybe being more public about the way our checks and balances work. for example, in my state it's done by paper. you fill out the paper, it goes in. the judges sitting there will see the tally. if the tally was 500 to 300 and it got chajd nged by their mast
computer, they would see that the precinct didn't have it. i remember in my dad's elections, there were 3,000 people who voted in the same handwriting and we thought there was fraud. there is fraud sometimes, but typically it's not illegal people voting, it's a bad judge. it's a judge who decides to vote for people who never showed up. >> let's talk about mitt romney right now. he's going to have a second meeting, dinner in new york city with the president-elect. you said romney would be, in your words, an even keel pick. you obviously want romney to be selected as secretary of state given the options, right? >> well, i wouldn't put it that way. what i want is somebody who understands that the iraq war was a mistake, that nation building has been a mistake, and that regime change has been a mistake. these are things that donald trump has expressed, and i believe and agree with completely. that's why i supported him. but i don't believe bolton, i don't believe giuliani have understood that or have come to understand the historical significance of that. i'm unsure about where romney is
on this, and if he comes before my committee, i would ask him, do you now understand the iraq war was a mistake and made us less safe, emboldened iran, made the whole situation more chaotic? because if we don't understand those lessons, we're still facing the same kinds of questions. should we topple assad in syria? he wants to build infrastructure. if you're going to build a nation in afghanistan and syria and iraq and you're going to pave their roads, there's no money left to pave our roads. so there is somewhat of a choice in foreign policy that will also affect our domestic policy. >> just to recap, you don't think you could support giuliani, you don't think you could support u.s. ambassador john bolton. what about retired general petraeus? >> there are a lot of similarities to hillary clinton as far as revealing classified information. one, is that a good thing to have a high-ranking person revealing classified information, and also the
similarities. they spent a year and a half beating up hillary clinton over revealing classified information and then they would appoint somebody who the fbi said not only revealed it but then lied about it in an interview and then purposely gave it to someone who did not have the clearance to have that? i think that's a potential problem. >> he pleaded guilty to that charge. >> and pleaded guilty to it. i think part of the guilty plea is holding office. i'm not a lawyer, but i think if you look at the statute, there may be a provision that says you mayor may not be able to hold office. >> there is also a provision that says the president of the united states can grant security clearance with basically anyone he wants. >> yeah, there is going to be some questions asked, i think, if that were the conclusion. but to my mind, what's most important is i want donald trump to pick someone who agrees with donald trump. donald trump said nation building was a problem, regime change was a problem, the iraq war was a mistake. i want someone who fully understands that. >> bottom line, who do you want? >> i don't have a pick that i'm putting out as anybody. what i want is somebody who understands historical
significance of the failure in iraq and that we don't repeat it. >> has anybody contacted you, by the way, from the trump organization about a possible job or an interview or a meeting? has he invited you to trump tower? >> you know, i'm pretty happy with my current job. >> you just got reelected, too. congratulations. >> thank you. >> senator rand paul, thank you so much for joining us. more plbreaking news. more details on the attack at ohio state university, including what we're learning about the man behind it. [ male announcer ] eligible for medicare? that's a good thing, but it doesn't cover everything. only about 80% of your part b medical expenses. the rest is up to you. so consider an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan,
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attack at ohio state university. a man drove his car into a group of pedestrians standing at a sidewalk and then slashed people with a butcher knife. a policeman shot and killed the assailant who was a student at the university. let's get insights from terrorism and our national security experts are joining us right now. let me start with you, phil. it was an 18-year-old assailant, a student of osu. what's your analysis based on everything you know right now? >> if i look at this case, it looks similar to what we've seen in the past three or four years when we get people who have a combination of motives. i'm thinking back, for example, to the orlando shooter. when you get one person as opposed to a complicated conspiracy, you have to ask questions not only about, for example, what's on his facebook page, does evan isis flag up. but you have to ask questions about what his mental state is. did he have a problem of transitioning to college? does he have a history of drug abuse or family problems?
in these cases of singletons be careful about making too quick an assumption about one motivation or another. often it's a mix, wolf. >> so they'll go through all his social media, all his e-mail, whatever, to find out if there was a motive. >> that's right. in the next 24 hours you can think of baskets or categories of information. they'll get a laptop or desktop. figure out not only who he was e-mailing or texting, but also what kind of google searches he was conducting, whether those were changing over time. overnight you should have conversations with friends or family that might give you an indication of not only motive but whether his mindset was changing. i would think in this case over the next day, by tomorrow morning or your show tomorrow afternoon, we should have a clearer sense of whether he was motivated by extremism or whether he was simply emotionally disturbed. >> we'll get a better sense, i'm sure. peter bergen, we do know based on terror attacks over the past couple years, the use of a vehicle has been a weapon in isis-inspired aqap,al koo al qa
arabian peninsula. talk about the motive of using a vehicle as a weapon to kill people. >> vehicles are ubiquitous. isis is known for these kinds of attacks. you don't have to buy a gun, maybe drawing attention to yourself. having a car is completely innocent kind of activity. apparently he got this from a family member. picking up on phil's point, it's quite possible there is a mix of moef motives, it's not just an islamic extremist attack. he may also have personal issues. we found where an attacker had abused both his wives and was also motivated by isis. >> how do you think the police should have responded to this incident at ohio state university, based on what we know right now? >> i'm pleased he's not
tweeting. i think there needs to be more information and i would add a couple things. first of all, he was 18 years old, living with his family. we may need to learn clues from his family about what they're like and hopefully we will. the second point is over the weekend it was reported in the "new york times" that president obama is expanding the legal scope of the war against al qaeda to include shabab in somalia. they have the biggest populat n population. it could be that shabab has put out an all-points bulletin which this kid found on social media saying attack any way you can, and these are logical tools now in the toolkit of these terror attacks. everybody, stay with us. there's more to discuss. we're getting new information right now about general david petraeus. he met with donald trump at trump tower in new york today to
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investigators are examining the page to determine if this, indeed, was an act of terror that will take some more time to investigate, to ascertain whether or not there may have been other motives as well. the 18-year-old assailant who was shot and killed by local police drove his vehicle onto a crowded sidewalk, started running over individuals, then got out of the car, used a butcher's knife to start slashing others as well. the information we're getting on his facebook page included grievances about attacks on muslims, this according to two federal law enforcement officials. a community member who spoke to the family of abdul rozik al rozik ali artan described the family has shocked. the mother described him as a good kid, said he just finished community college, he was a student at ohio state university. he came to the united states with his family, by the way, from pakistan in 2014 after
leaving somalia. that's the latest information we're getting. phil mudd, let me get your reaction to the headline that the attacker apparently pasted on his facebook page, posted on his facebook page, grievances about attacks on muslims. >> i would say the headline is be cautious. in the political polarization in this country, wolf, people watching this program, people reading newspapers are going to want to jump to judgment, and that judgment will be, we have another case of islamic extremism in this country. my answer is an investigator should never do that. the questions for friends and family, the questions as you look at his e-mail will be everything from, what does that facebook posting mean? did he have a fight with his girlfriend? did he have a dispute with his mother? did he get fired from his job? until it's over, it ain't over. i don't know much other than what i knew 10 minutes ago about his motivation. one might have been extremism,
but i don't know yet. >> what is your analysis? >> i think be cautious is right. any muslim who kills kids with a truck and a knife, which is a terrible thing to happen, is definitely a terrorist and we don't want to go there until we know we should go there. >> peter bergen, if there is a facebook page from this individual in which he complained about attacks on muslims, what conclusion, if any, would you draw? >> i'm just going to agree with jane and phil. often you find -- in some of these cases where there is an attempted lethal attack, someone is mentally disturbed. is that really terrorism if it's a case of mental disturbance? on the other hand, this could be terrorism. >> no question. no question. >> finish your thought. >> simply that we've seen in quite a number of these cases that people do have mental issues which kind of clouds the issue whether it's terrorism. on the other hand, there are
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newly revealed isis terror plots targeting the west. cnn's brian todd is joining us. brian, how do these plots come to light? >> reporter: the plots were discovered when isis was pushed out of a syrian city, which was a key launching point to conduct terrorist operations aboard. officials are working furiously, going through those captured isis files, because experts are warning that isis could be accelerating those terror plots now that they know their enemies are on to them. chilling new information tonight from a top coalition commander, who says several isis plots to attack the west have been discovered. british general rupert jones says the plans are in tens of thousands of isis documents and files, captured after the terror group was driven out of a syrian city this summer. general jones says, a huge amount of intelligence gathered
related to threats in europe and elsewhere. the coalition is searching those captured phones, hard drives and maps for more information. >> when they know that they have lost some of their human intelligence or their signals intelligence or digital intelligence, anything that they have got in the pipeline in terms of terrorist attacks, they like to speed up. >> reporter: what are intelligence officials looking for? >> you can pin point the individuals who have gone to the battle front and gone back. so intelligence services can actually these the information and then arrest the people before they can do anything bad. >> reporter: intelligence officials have been crowing since membij was taken from isis, saying the city was crucial to isis for launching attacks outside of syria and iraq. >> it was a place where external operations were generated. >> reporter: the information on isis plots comes just days after
five suspects were taken into suspect in france. prosecutors say they had been directed by isis operatives in the middle east to attack france. a travel alert was then issued, warning americans to be careful at holiday festivals in europe. >> as isis loses territory, they have to show that their still a successful organization. and one relatively easy and cheap way to do so is commit terror attacks abroad. >> reporter: tonight, france and belgium remain key topics for isis. >> brian, there's also some very chilling detail emerging about an isis plot that was disrupted in france very recently. what have you learned? >> the french prosecutor says on the night those operatives were arrested, at least two of those operatives had downloaded the app called periscope, which led
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the attacker venting his concern about attacks on muslims. dirty laundry exposed. as the president-elect moves ahead with his transition, we're learning more about the infighting over at trump tower over using his secretary of state. is retired general david petraeus a top contender after kellyanne conway publicly bashed mitt romney? and there's growing concern that millions of ballots were cast illegally costing him the popular vote. and trump's negotiating skills are being put to the test as he tries to prevent hundreds of u.s. jobs from moving to mexico. will the carrier company help him make good on a campaign promise? we want to welcome our viewers in the unitest