tv Situation Room With Wolf Blitzer CNN December 1, 2016 3:00pm-4:01pm PST
is the president-elect making the most of his political victory? thank you tour. we're standing by for some of the first extended public remarks by donald trump since he won the election. he's about to hold a campaign rally in ohio. cnn will carry it live. general decision. we're told that the next commander in chief has settled on his choice for defense secretary. how would james mattis influence national security? and out of fuel. investigators now are pointing to a shocking cause of a deadly charter plane crash. how could the fuel tank of a commercial jet run empty in mid flight? we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." >> this is cnn breaking news. >> we're following breaking news
on the trump transition. tonight, a source is telling cnn the president-elect has zeroed in on retired marine corps general james mattis to become the secretary of defense. we're told an official announcement will happen next week. a trump spokesman says a final decision has not yet been made. we'll see if the president-elect offers any new details about his transition when he speaks in ohio very soon. he's holding his first post election rally to kick off what he's calling a thank you tour. cnn will carry it live. just a few hours ago, trump visited the carrier plant in indiana, touting the deal he made with the company to keep more than 1,000 jobs in the united states. he warned other companies considering leaving the u.s. for mexico or any place else they would face consequences. also tonight, officials now believe the deadly crash of a soccer team's charter team had a very surprising cause -- the jet ran out of fuel. audio recordings reveal a crew
member made a frantic call just before the crash, talking about a failure of electricity and fuel. i'll talk about the trump transition with republican congressman adam kinsinger. up first, let's get more on the trump transition. the president-elect hasn't spoken out like he's doing today since the election. update our viewers. >> reporter: that's right. he hasn't, wolf. donald trump has mainly been spending the last three weeks here holed up at trump tower, holding meetings and job interviews to fill out his cabinet posts. but officials tell us this is something he very much wanted to do, not only to get out and thank supporters but also to tout one of his first deals as president-elect. tonight, president-elect donald trump is taking his show back on the road. >> is there any place more fun to be than a trump rally?
>> reporter: trump is holding a campaign style rally in cincinnati, ohio. the first of many thank you events the president-elect is planning across the country in the coming weeks. >> i want to really, really thank the people of indiana. we had two massive victories in a very, very short period of time. >> reporter: but before his ohio stop, trump took a victory lap, touring the carrier plant in indianapolis to tout a campaign promise met. >> i said, carrier will never leave. >> reporter: trump celebrating the deal he helped reach with the air conditioning manufacturer to save 1,000 jobs from being shipped to mexico. something he said as a candidate he wouldn't let happen. >> they're going to say, mr. president, carrier has decided to stay in indiana. thank you, sir. >> reporter: sources familiar with the deal tell cnn that carrier will receive $7 million in financial incentives over the
next ten years from indiana to keep those jobs in the state. >> companies are not going to leave the united states any more without consequences. not going to happen. >> reporter: the deal is getting a mixed reaction on capitol hill. house speaker paul ryan welcoming the news. >> i'm pretty happy that we're keeping jobs in america. aren't you? >> reporter: but former democratic presidential candidate senator bernie sanders is sounding the alarm, saying carrier "took trump hostage and won." setting a bad precedent for the new administration by signaling "to every corporation in america that they can threaten to offshore jobs in exchange for business friendly tax benefits and incentives." meantime, the suspense continues to build as trump works to fill out his administration. still hanging in the balance, the highest profile of the cabinet posts, secretary of state. transition officials confirmed trump has narrowed the list down
to a final four. >> these discussions i've had with him have been enlightening, interesting, and engaging. >> reporter: trump loyalist newt gingrich ripping finalist mitt romney for his public vying for the job. >> you have never, ever in your career seen a serious adult who is wealthy, independent, has been a presidential nominee suck up at the rate that mitt romney is sucking up. >> reporter: meantime, massachusetts senator elizabeth warren returning to her attack dog role, slamming trump's nominee for treasury secretary, former goldman sachs banker steve mnuchin. >> what donald trump is doing is handing the keys to the treasury over to a wall street banker who helped cause the crash. >> reporter: and tonight, it seems that president-elect donald trump may be inching towards making a key decision on another big cabinet post, a source telling cnn that trump is zeroing in on general james
mattis for secretary of defense. although wolf, transition officials say that nothing is done yet. wolf? >> it's not done until donald trump says it's done or tweets that it's done. we'll see soon enough. thank you very much for that, sunlen. let's go to cincinnati where president-elect trump will be speaking very, very soon. our correspondent jim acosta is there for us. so what can we expect tonight, jim? >> reporter: well, wolf, as the transition team has been talking about all day long, this is going to be an opportunity for donald trump to thank his voters for that resounding victory we saw on november 8th. as we heard in indiana earlier today at the event, at that carrier factory that is going to be staying open and keeping about 1,000 people employed, donald trump is back to talking about trade and sounding like a trade warrior. consider how he was talking about nafta, the north american free trade agreement that he railed so much against.
he was back talking about it earlier today in indiana. here's what he had to say. >> we have nafta, which is a total and complete disaster. it's a total and complete disaster. [ applause ] it's a one-lane highway into mexico. nothing coming our way, everything going their way. and i don't have to mention who signed it anymore. it's so nice. i don't have to mention who backed it anymore, right? we don't have to mention that anymore fortunately. but it's a one-way street and it's going to be changed. it's going to be changed. >> reporter: and that's obviously a trade message that's cincinnati, ohio, where donald trump will be having this thank his voters rally coming up in about an hour. if it wasn't for places like ohio, michigan, pennsylvania and wisconsin, donald trump could not be president-elect of the united states right now, wolf. one thing that we should point out just to give you a sense of
the room here, we're inside an arena in downtown cincinnati that should typically seat about 17,000, 18,000 people. this venue is nowhere near its capacity in terms of seating right now. there are thousands and thousands of empty seats right now. we just sent a producer outside who also reports there's not a line of people waiting to get inside. obviously, we're an hour away from this rally beginning, so more people could potentially line up outside. crowds we saw during the e - campaign. obviously when the election is over, a lot of the voters move on. wolf? >> we'll see how many people show up. thank you very much, wolf. we'll stand by for live coverage. let's talk a little bit about all the news in the trump transition right now. republican congressman adam kinsinger is joining us, he's a veteran of the iraq and afghanistan wars. thank you very much for joining us. >> you bet, wolf. thanks. >> so the trump campaign says
it's not a done deal yet. but would you support retired marine corps general james mattis as defense secretary, is that a good idea even though he's only been out of active duty for three years? >> yeah, i love mad dog mattis. a great general. the thing about good leaders is what his people say about him, and you see people that have worked for james mattis and they said they would follow this guy into hell because he would do the same for them. that's the kind of leader the defense department needs. there's an advantage to having somebody that was a general in this position, because they know in essence where the skeletons are buried. in many cases there's problems with defense acquisitions and the way the defense department works that needs reformed. if you're on the inside as a general, when you come out you know where that is and make changes. so i think he's a great pick and could love it if he's it. >> you appreciate the tradition of civilian leadership at the department of defense? >> yeah, you do.
i think it's essential. and i think the big key to understand is, he's been out for three years. i don't know why the number was set at seven pack in the day whenever this was, early 1900s. but he's been out for three years. he's in a civilian capacity. it's not like we're taking somebody right out of uniform service and installing them. so that will be a debate the senate is going to have. i think ultimately it will come out favorably. >> if he is named defense secretary, you have a retired general in the department of defense, you have retired general mike nine as national security adviser, would they rule out retired general david petraeus as secretary of state, because of a fear too many generals running national security if >> i don't know. who knows? one of the things you're seeing in foreign policy in these areas is donald trump has made it clear he's going to surround himself with experts. he knows he's coming in without government experience. he knows there's an advantage to coming in without government experience, but you have to have people involved in the military
and government to be able to surround him and it seems like he's doing that. i don't know if that bodes poorly for david petraeus or not, but of the finalists i'm hearing in the secretary of state race, i think we could end up with somebody pretty good. >> who do you like of the final four as they're called? >> look, i like mitt. i think he would be a fantastic pick. what that's where he ends up going or not, that's his decision. but there's a lot of good options, there's nobody i really see that's being named potentially for secretary of state that i'm concerned with. these are people that understand america's role in the world. understand an encroaching russia, understand the tragedy in syria with half a million dead syrians, and i think these are the people that can fix this problem in the long run. >> oh the conviction of general david petraeus, one count misdemeanor for mishandling classified information, he pleaded guilty to that. that doesn't bother you? >> well, it's a concern,
obviously. and i think donald trump and the team has probably taken that into account. i think he would have to be -- general petraeus would have to talk a little more about it and be accountable. but david petraeus is somebody that in essence helped build the resurgence in iraq, and authored the surge and turned around a lot of areas that were challenging. so he has the skillset, so i think that will be taken into account as the final decision is made. >> what about rudy giuliani's international business deals, some have suggested that potentially could be a problem. do you think it could be? >> again, it's going to be up to the president-elect and the folks that confirm him. you know, it's tough to get into every name and what's the good and the bad because we just don't know. but i think all the names i've heard so far would do a great job at secretary of state and i think i want to know -- i hope it's out soon, because i think everybody has had enough waiting on this. >> yeah. a lot of people are increasingly thinking senator bob corner of
tennessee might be the safest choice. he would sail through a confirmation process. do you agree with that? >> yeah, there's a tradition of senators being able to, in essence, sail through the senate pretty easily. bob corker has great relationships on the democratic and republican side. he's very diplomatic, which you obviously need in a chief diplomat for the united states. i think he would be fantastic, too. so again, of all the finalists i'm hearing, there's nobody for me as a foreign policy guy and somebody that cares about these issues deeply, there's nobody that puts up huge red flags that are the finalists for this position. >> let's talk about his victory lap today in indianapolis at the carrier plant. he worked out a deal to keep more than 1,000 jobs in indiana, very important deal, if you will. at the top of his speech, though, it sounded like a campaign rally. he was talking about himself a lot, congratulating himself. you've been critical of him. you were critical of him during the campaign. is that presidential right now,
to see him out there doing what he obviously so often so successfully did during the republican primaries and in the general election? >> he's such a unique guy, and this is everything about this is unique. from the twitter to everything else, that it's hard to judge and say is this presidential? because he's kind of thrown out the whole script on how this has always worked. even president obama, when he was elected, he did things that were considered not presidential, going on youtube and everything else. now it just becomes the narrative of how a president is. so i know for a fact, and hearing people talk that donald trump gets energized in front of big crowds, and if this is what's -- when you talk to people, you get reexcited and reenergized. if this is the way he feels like he connects with his people and voters and america, that might be a good thing. >> stick around, congressman. we have more to discuss. i need to take a quick break. we'll resume our conversation right after this. >> all right.
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we're back with republican congressman adam kensing he ing wait to hear from president-elect trump in cincinnati. yesterday, the president-elect spoke with the prime minister of pakistan. he called sharif "a terrific guy and said he's ready and willing to play any role that you might want me to play." that was according to a transcript the pakistanis put out. e says they want to work together. do you think that's all that kind of talk about pakistan, which has been pretty controversial in recent years, is appropriate? >> i don't know.
no, and you know, i haven't seen the transcript, i seen it reported obviously here. i think it's a little over the line to tell somebody "i'll play whatever role you want me to play." obviously as the united states, we're proud of the fact that we're the leader of the free world and proud of these alliances we have, but we're also in the driver's seat in most of these alliances and need to be because of our values and systems. so if that actually was said, and again, i don't have anything besides what i've just seen reported, if that was said, it was probably a bridge too far. but again, donald trump is really new at this. and i think as you get your sea legs under you, as you learn about diplomacy and everything, maybe that changes. maybe that tone changes. >> previously, donald trump has accused pakistan, accused them of harboring osama bin laden, so was it a mistake to start out this new relationship with the
pakistani prime minister, prime minister sharif, with this tone? did he get enough briefings going into that phone conversation? >> again, i don't know. i don't know what he's been privy to, what he hasn't. again, international diplomacy is a learning process, to learn how to do this. unfortunately, he doesn't have much experience except in business dealings, but when it's all said and done, i don't think anybody should have any doubt that donald trump will push back against pakistan. so in this case, you have a statement from a transcript that maybe was or wasn't said that i don't think necessarily shows how donald trump will be when it comes to being president of the united states on these very important issues. >> india, which has a very tense relationship with pakistan, took some serious offense to the characterization of that call. i guess we don't know for sure, but do you believe there are enough people surrounding donald trump right now, giving him
clear advice on how to deal with these sensitive issues, pakistan, india? was this perhaps a rookie mistake? >> it could be. again, there's a lot of information i don't know. but i think the team i've been seeing him assemble around him is actually really good with this. it's still not the full team, because he has to announce the secretary of state, defense secretary, some of these other positions, but i think there's no doubt you don't want to say things like, we'll play whatever role you want us to play. but i don't think that necessarily indicates we're going to be subservient to pakistan. >> congressman, thanks for joining us. >> you bet, wolf. take care. we're standing by for donald trump's thank you rally, the first one of the post election. we'll have live coverage. that's coming up. o is for ordinarily i wouldn't. l is for layers of luxury. a is for alll the way back.
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we're standing by for president-elect donald trump's first rally since his election victory. we'll speak in cincinnati, ohio, just hours after visiting the carrier plant in indiana after saving more than 1,000 jobs at that carrier plant. at times, he sounded like he was back on the campaign trail, unscripted, unpredictable. listen to this. >> we had a tremendous love affair with the state of indiana, because if you remember during the primaries, this was
going to be the firewall. this is where they were going to stop trump, right? and that didn't work out too well. and we won by 16 points, and the election we just won by 20 points, almost 20 points. [ applause ] and that was some victory. that's pretty great. i'll never forget about a week ago, i was watching the nightly news, i won't say which one, because i don't want to give them credit, because i don't like them much, i'll be honest. but they were doing a story on carrier, and i said wow, that's something. i want to see that. and they had a gentleman, a worker, great guy, handsome guy. he was on. and it was like he didn't even know they were leaving. he said something to the effect, no, we're not leaving, because donald trump promised us that we're not leaving. and i never thought i made that promise.
not with carrier. i made it for everybody else. i didn't make it really for carrier, and i said, what's he saying? and he was such a believer, he was such a great guy. he said i've been with donald trump from the beginning, and he made the statement that carrier is not going anywhere. they're not leaving. i'm saying to myself, man. and then they played my statement, and i said, carrier will never leave. but that was a euphemism. and then i said, it was 6:30 in the evening, and i said, boy, the first thing i'm going to do is go there. do i call the head of carrier, who is a great guy. but i've always learned, i've got to call the top. so i called greg hayes. i heard of him, but never met him. he picked up the phone, mr.
president-elect, sir, how are you? it's wonderful to win. think if i lost, he wouldn't have returned my call. so i said, greg, we've got to sit down and do something. i said, because we just can't let it happen. so many people are going to be buying carrier air conditioners. you know, we've had such help here. bobby knight, nobody in indiana ever heard of bobby knight. how great is he? coach knight, how good was bobby knight as far as we're concerned in indiana? i just have to thank the people that i met backstage, incredible people. the spirit, the love. people are aull crying. people are saying, is trump going to build the wall? we're going to build that wall. we're going to have doors in that wall, but people are going to come through legally. we're going to have a lot of phone calls to companies when they are thinking about leave thing country because they're not leave thing country. >> let's bring in our panel, starting with gloria borger.
we saw a lot of republicans cheering that carrier deal today, even paul ryan, who opposes government meddling in business decisions or in his words, picking winners and losers. he praised the outcome. so here's the question, is trump's message of economic populism working? >> i think it's a little early to say that. i think paul ryan and republicans were applauding this, because after all, the president-elect was keeping jobs from going to mexico. but i do think there's going to be a huge debate among republicans and among democrats about the issues of trade. i mean, we don't know whether donald trump threatened to slap on a 35% tariff that he's been talking about, which lots of republicans would be opposed to. there's going to be lots of discussion in the congress about corporate tax reform. we saw that carrier got $7 million worth of tax breaks over ten years.
and there's also going to be a lot of debate over the budget and how you can afford all this, either on the state level or a federal level. so i think while everybody is applauding, and this is the prehoneymoon phase, but i think when you look at it more globally, everybody is going to have to sit down and say, what is our overarching policy that we want to come out of the congress of the united states? >> david, we've already seen some populist democrats like senator bernie sanders, slamming the carrier deal. sanders called the deal corporate welfare, says the company took trump hostage and won. they're clearly worried that other big corporations will now expect similar treatment from trump that carrier just received. so is this a winning argument right now for the democrats? >> wolf, we had tremendous response to senator sanders' piece at "the washington post." i think he effectively served notice he wants to be one of the leaders of the loyal opposition
to president-elect trump, and i think in the long-term, his message might be successful. this idea that company after company might come to the administration and ask for handouts or tax breaks in order to not move their jobs overseas. but in the short term, i think it's going to be a tough argument for democrats, because right now you have president-elect trump take thing victory lap saying however small or unorthodox, he was able to save a thousand jobs of the people in indiana. >> that's going to resonate politically, of course. jeffrey toobin, trump did a bit of gloating today, bragging about when he won the indiana primary. during his election night victory speech, he pledged to be the president for all americans, even those who didn't vote for him. should the president-elect strike right now a more conciliatory, unifying tone, instead of that relitigating the
campaign? >> you know, maybe the famous pivot is going to happen now. you think? i mean, come on. he's 70 years old. he just was elected president of the united states. he is who he is. he's not going to change. i mean, look, why are people still waiting for this to happen? it's not going to happen. it's going to be interesting, for example, to see an inaugural address or state of the union address in that style. but you know what? that's what we're going to get, because that's who he is and that's who won the election, and people who don't like it are going to have to deal with it. >> you know, rebecca, the president-elect embarking on this thank you tour, he'll be holding rallies throughout the nation, thanking the american people for getting him elected president of the united states. are we going to see the unscripted, fired up donald trump that we just saw at
that -- that we just saw throughout the campaign, the general election, or do you agree with jeffrey toobin that what you see then, what you saw throughout the primary, the general election, is what you're going to continue to see as president? >> absolutely, i think he hit the nail on the head, wolf. because donald trump is donald trump is donald trump. i mean, you can give the man a teleprompter and maybe half of the time he'll use it. but donald trump is always going to be, at least to some degree, unscripted. he's always going to go off on these tan gents about polling, about having won the primary in this state or that. it was unbelievable today in indiana at this carrier presentation when donald trump was supposed to be stressing the jobs that he was saving for the country, he went off about how he won the primary in indiana, and this is, you know, now ancient history now that he's won the general election and is the president-elect. so i think we'll see a lot more of that style from him at these
rallies. but one question i have about his style at these thank you rallies, will be whether he takes that harsh tone he took at some of these rallies, especially early on. this was something that was very divisive, very polarizing. and this is a time now where he's hoping at least he has said to unify americans, so i wonder if he'll try to take a more conciliatory tone. >> gloria, let's talk about donald trump's search for a secretary of state. listen to what newt gingrich had to say about mitt romney, who reportedly is under consideration for the job. listen to this. >> you have never, ever in your career seen a serious adult, who is wealthy, independent, has been a presidential nominee, suck up at the rate that mitt romney is sucking up. i mean, i'm confident that he thinks now that donald trump is one of his closest friends, that they have so many things in common, that they're both such wise, brilliant people.
>> gloria, have you ever seen such a brutal campaign waged against a potential cabinet appointee from members of the president-elect's own party? >> no. and not from people he considered in his inner circle. if you look at newt gingrich, who is somebody he's consulted. don't forget, newt has a history with mitt romney here. they ran against each other in 2012. they never kissed and made up. they were okay, but there is a history there. but i think if you look at what newt gingrich has been saying, and what kellyanne conway has been saying in a much more gracious way, they've been taking their arguments against romney public, because they understand that's one way to get to donald trump. i also think it's indicative of how seriously trump is considering romney for the job. because i think that you don't take it to this level outside unless you think there's a real
shot that it's going to happen. and i think that's exactly what newt gingrich is doing. and i'm going to tell you one thing, what i know from my reporting in romney world, which as i've been saying the last day or so has gone dark, is romney is not talking about this with a lot of people. he's not asking people to lobby for this job for him. he did enough lobbying this other night at dinne when he ate crow. but he's not telling people to talk to the transition team or reince priebus or vice president-elect pence. he's just letting it happen and talking to donald trump as he's asked to do. but there's not a lobbying campaign, there's only an anti-romney campaign. >> you make a good point that romney did beat newt gingrich for the republican presidential nomination four years ago. and there's clearly a little bit
of bitterness hanging over. david, many of the so-called never trumpers looked to romney as a role model. now it seems romney is betting his political career on trump picking him as secretary of state is. that risk for his legacy? >> he was a role model when he gave that speech saying trump's brand of republicanism was not romney's brand of republicanism and detailed why he thought trump was a poor representative of the party. but now he's clearly signaling by his actions that the election is over and he feels like he can serve. the one place he risks his legacy is in the words that he says upon accepting that. the other night when he spoke, as gloria mentioned, after having had dinner with donald trump and his meeting, the one word that jumped out for me, wolf, is he said that trump was going forward in a spirit of inclusion. i thought that was a little
strange of a word to use, because so far at least, i don't think president-elect trump has really given a full throated statement that he wants to be an inclusive president for all americans. >> everybody, stick around. we have more to discuss, including some phone call flattery. surprising details emerging about donald trump's chat with a world leader who is under pressure to crack down on terrorism. critics are calling it bizarre. so what does it tell us about diplomacy, donald trump style?
we're back with our political team. tonight, there are growing questions about u.s. diplomacy under president-elect donald trump after surprising details were released about his phone conversation with the leader of pakistan. our global affairs correspondent is working the story or this. this does not sound like a typical phone call between two world leaders. >> reporter: it's not, wolf. these are typically congratulatory, quick phone calls. the president-elect just expresses a desire to work together, but word that donald trump showered compliments and offered to help solve the problems of a nuclear power he once accused of betrayal and disrespect is raising questions whether the president-elect is sending a message or just winging it. it's a country criticized by the u.s. for failing to crack down on terrorism. president-elect donald trump says pakistan is doing "amazing
work in every way." a message prime minister sharif said trump delivered in a phone wall wednesday, promising to play any role to solve pakistan's problems. sharif's office quoting trump as saying he would love to come to a fantastic country, fantastic place, of fantastic people. trump's team described the conversation as "productive." it's a far cry from the troubled country he described during the campaign. >> pakistan is a very, very vital problem and vital country for us, because they have nuclear weapons. they have to get ahold of their situation. >> reporter: and no mention of his pledge to ban immigrants from terrorist havens like pakistan. >> i think what we're seeing in these early days is a certain amount of winging it. >> reporter: the state department said it had no part in briefing trump before hand. >> we had no discussion with president-elect trump prior to that call. >> reporter: kazakhstan
announced trump also fawned over its president, who has had an iron grip on the country since 1991 and slammed by human right groups for torture. the president said trump told him that under his leadership, kazakhstan's success was "a miracle." >> what you don't want to do is give off a lot of signals that you didn't mean to give and then have to reverse course. >> reporter: trump didn't shy away from grandiose praise for u.s. adversaries on the campaign trail, say thing to nbc news about vladamir putin. >> if he says great things about me, i'm going to say great things about him. >> reporter: after insulting some mexicans, he took heat when he didn't bring up his signature issues. >> who pays for the wall we didn't discuss. >> reporter: and trump told fox business news after meeting al
cici in new york -- >> he really took control of egy egypt, it was good chemistry. >> reporter: wolf, you know, words matter in diplomacy, especially now that trump is president-elect. india, pakistan's arch enemy, is trying to make sense of the report of this call, but for now, is taking a tongue in cheek approach, saying it does hope trump will help pakistan with its biggest outstanding problem, terrorism. >> thank you very much. let's get back to our panel. gloria, what do you make of donald trump's -- what his critics are calling inconsistent treatment of these foreign leaders in these congratulatory phone calls? >> i think it does sound like he's winging it. when you welcome president, when you have these phone calls, every word is usually strategic.
it's not like picking up the phone and calling someone and saying, you know, i really look forward to visiting your fabulous hotel in pakistan, orb doing business with you. it's different. and i think trump knew it as a candidate. he was happy to criticize pakistan. and now you can't say the same thing to everybody, unless you say basically nothing to everybody. and what he was trying to do in complimenting pakistan was saying nothing, but then said something. i think it's a kind of winging it that really can become dangerous, and i think this is a first phone call. so let's not overdo it. but i do think you saw in the state department spokesman's tenor of his response, no, we were not consulted, that they were not happy about it. >> i'm sure they weren't.
apparently there was no mention of donald trump's proposal e aa ban immigrants to the united states that have a problem with terrorism. has he run into some awkward mee eff what was his heated campaign rhetoric on the specific issue of banning certain people from coming to the united states? >> well i think we've already seen that to ab extent, wolf. i would point you to really a smaller issue, but after the election donald trump called nigel farage, the former leader in the party in the uk that support support support supported grexit. >> basically pressuring theresa may to make this decision, really just throwing protocol out the window and i think we've seen that in a lot of different
ways from donald trump over the course of the campaign as well. so i think we've seen that there is the possibility that he's going to create some minor to major international incidents with what he's saying and as we saw in indiana today, wolf, he does not necessarily recognize the weight of his words. whether we're talking about domestic policy or foreign policy. when he got up on stage and said -- referred back to his prior remarks about carrier on the campaign trail and said that he was surprised when people took him seriously, took him literally. i this a lot of the same for foreign policy. as elise said in her piece, words do matter in diplomacy. and whoever he picks part of the job is going to be clean up duty for what donald trump says in public. >> if putin says nice things about him, he'll say nice things about putin.
is that savvy? diplomacy? how you see that. >> i feel that way about you, wolf. if you say nice things about me, i will say nice things about you. look, he's obviously wimging this and. and frankly i don't think any of this matters particularly in at this moment. saying pakistan is a fantasy place. what difference does that make? what's going to happen is there are going to be crises. there is going to be potentially a fight between india and pakistan and the president is going to have to intervene. that is when this is going to matter. at this point everybody is happy. he's just -- he's the new president. he's getting to know people. but, you know, events start to take the lead. not personalities. and when events take over the words are really going to matter. >> everybody stick around. more news coming up. how could a commercial aircraft simply run out of fuel. there is new information emerging about that deadly plane crash and it is causing some serious concern right now.
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tonight disturbing new details about why a charter plane slammed into a countryside killing 31 people. officials now say it ran out of fuel. what are you learning? >> reporter: we know the charter airline lamia is grounded tonight. authorities suspending its flying permit. it is almost unheard of, wolf. a commercial airliner running out of fuel. new audio reports from the doomed charter flight reveals troubling clues about what may have caused the crash killing 71
people including members of the a prominent brazilian soccer team. >> -- in failure. total electrical and fuel failure. >> reporter: the flight was minutes from its destination and rapidly descending when they received a call to land. >> reporter: seconds later the flight disappeared from radar. the controller still tried to direct the pilot in for landing. >> you are 8.2 miles to the runway. what is your altitude now? >> reporter: then silence, the plane crashed just five miles from the airport. investigators confirm it ran out of fuel. >> it is an extraordinary event and it really borders on negligence. >> in addition to fuel shortage, a question as to why this aircraft, a four-engine plane
designed for short haul flights was used in the first place. >> this plane was questionable in terms of accomplishing the mission. it's certified range was 1600 nautical miles. this flight was 1605 nautical miles. that is at the outer limits. >> it left santa cruz bolivia monday night. newly released video shows excitement before the flight takeoff. >> we are ready to offer them the best service. >> three players, two crew members and one journalist survived. wednesday night fans eager to pay respects, flooded the stadium where the soccer team was supposed to play. and in an emotional moment the players who did not travel with the team walked onto the field holding hands. >> investigators have not determined why they ran out of fuel. was it human error or something
mechanical? but we can't overstate just how rare this is. pilots are supposed to calculate whether they have enough fuel before ta before takeoff. they consider the weight on board, the distance they need to travel. here in the united states, pilots have enough fuel not just for the intended route but for another 45 minutes, wolf. >> thank you. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. good evening and welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, donald trump about to take the stage. his first rally since winning the white house. it is an unprecedented event. the president elect of the united states going on the road kicking off what his aide rsz calling a "thank you tour" through the backwattleground st. ohio, a state trump one by nearly 9 percentage points. mike pence will be introducing trump at any moment. we're going to bring you mike pence live as well as the pr