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let's go to washington here. i'm brooke baldwin. thank you for being with me on this tuesday afternoon. "the lead" with jake tapper starts right now. just five more days till christmas. the christmas market terrorist, still on the loose. "the lead" starts right now. they had the wrong guy. berlin police saying the suspect who drove a tractor-trailer through a crowded christmas market is still on the loose. as isis claims he is one of their, quote, soldiers. donald trump saying attacks around the world are a wake-up call in the war on terror. but will president-elect trump be ready on day one to do more than tweet about it? plus, boston strong. from the blasts that terrorized a city to the 102-hour man hunt that froze it to its core. actor mark wahlberg and the director join me to talk about honoring boston's finest in the
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new film, patriot's day. good evening and welcome to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. the world lead. isis says one of its soldiers was at the wheel of the truck that rampaged through a west berlin christmas market murdering 12 and injuring 48 more. some quite seriously. they published the claim on its media channel. german authorities are on a man hunt for the potential terrorists or terrorist responsible. hours ago officials released a suspect after forensic evidence failed to link him to the truck used as a weapon of mass murder. frederik pleitgen is in berlin for us at the site of the terrorist attack. fred, this morning it seemed as though berlin police were fairly confident they had their man. now they say no. do they have any leads, description of the terrorist or surveillance video? >> reporter: well, jake, they say they're getting videos from several people who were actually there. and they say that every single video, every photo they get from people is valuable to them.
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however, so far we cannot say they've come out and said that they have any sort of leads or that they know whether or not this was someone who acted on his own or whether or not there would be a larger group behind all this. the german federal prosecutor's office put out a statement earlier today when it became clear that they had the wrong guy in custody saying, at this point in time we don't know who is behind this. we don't know how many people or what sort of ideology might have been behind this. in the late afternoon hours, isis coming out to claim whoever is behind that, without offering details, it was, quote, a soldier of the caliphate. german officials say the driver and others could still be on the loose, possibly armed and willing to kill. >> we do not know if there was
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one perpetrator or several perpetrators yet. we do not know if there was support given to the perpetrator. we possibly need to assume that we have not arrested the right one, but we have not fully clarified this. >> reporter: police detained a foreign national who entered the country as a refugee last summer. he has been released because the investigations, quote, have not produced imminent suspicion against him. clues raise even more questions. the body of a polish man was found shot in the passenger seat. the truck company's owner fears it is his cousin, the truck's regular driver. >> translator: they did something to him, god forbid, so it looks. my wife spoke to his wife. she could not get through to him. >> reporter: the gun is nowhere
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to be found. the investigators are interviewing witnesses. the scene, reminiscent of the deadly isis attack in nice, france, last july. 86 were killed there when a truck plowed through the promenade. last month the u.s. state department warned travelers of an isis threat in europe writing, quote, u.s. citizens should exercise caution at holiday festivals, events and outdoor markets. >> translator: you must as things stand now assume it was a terrorist attack. >> reporter: angela merkel paid a visit to the market today, she is facing increased criticism for germany's wide acceptance of refugees. >> translator: we don't want to live with the fear of evil paralyzing us. even if that's difficult right now. we will find the force to live the life we want to live in germany. free together and open.
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>> reporter: at the same time, of course, the germans are very much aware that they need to try to catch whomever was at the wheel of the truck. so far we haven't heard much in the way of any sort of raids going on or other police action outside of this area here in central berlin. at the same time, however, the berlin authorities are telling people here in the city to remain vigilant. and, if they do see anything suspicious, to not act on their own and certainly call in the authorities because, of course, they believe that whomever was at the wheel of that truck and obviously escaped is most probably still armed and most certainly still very dangerous, jake. >> all right. frederik pleitgen in berlin. thank you so much. as we said earlier, isis put out word minutes ago, a claim that one of its soldiers, quote-unquote, drove the truck through the crowd the market killing 12 and wounding dozens more. paul cruickshank is live in poland for us. isis issued the claim via its
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semi-official media or news agency. does the language they used in the announcement indicate that this was isis-directed or isis-inspired? >> reporter: it's isis inspired. they're not saying anything directly. they're saying more that whomever the individual was responded to their calls for attacks in the west. they're claiming that they inspired this. they're claiming that, jake, with absolutely no evidence to back up the claim. in fact, the german investigators, as far as it's been publicly articulated have not found any connection whatsoever to islamist terrorism. to an islamist motive in this attack. now, isis may know something that the german investigators don't because we have seen in some previous cases where the similar language has been used in similar claims, that the terp
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praters were actually in touch with isis and were even then able to upload a video claiming responsibility to isis. we saw that back in july in germany with the attack on a train that didn't lead to fatalities but led to injuries in bavaria, an afghan refugee in that case. we'll have to wait and see. it might turn out isis will look really foolish. it might turn out that they know something the german investigators don't know. >> paul, thank you so much. joining me to discuss terrorism abroad and the u.s. response to the attacks. u.s. state department's john kirby. thanks for being here. >> isis issued the statement claiming one of its soldiers purposely drove the truck purposely through the berlin croixes market. does the information the u.s. department has match up with the reporting that it seems to be isis-inspired but not isis-directed? >> we don't have enough information to back up the claims by isis that they
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inspired or directed or were in any way involved in this. we think it's prudent for the germans to treat this as a plausible terrorist attack. that makes sense. as you have heard yourself, there is no direct evidence. clearly, though, jake, it bears the hallmarks of what happened in nice in july. we think it's prudent, obviously, to go forward with that, at least being one plausible explanation. we don't have any more information, certainly, than the germans do, and nothing that we've seen on our side tells us that the isis claims of responsibility are backed up right now. >> john, as you know, the state department on november 21st, issued a blanket travel warning for americans traveling in europe saying, quote, credible information indicates that isis, al qaeda and the afailiates continue to planterries attacks in europe with a focus on the upcoming holiday season and associated events. the warning also said u.s. citizens should exercise caution at holiday festivals, events and
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outdoor markets. this incident sounds exactly like what the state department was warning about. >> yes. sadly, it sure does, jake. this is not the kind of thing that you want to be right about, that's for sure. it was the prudent thing to do at the time. it wasn't based when we issued it in november. it was before thanksgiving. it wasn't based on any specific threat stream, just the knowledge that we had through the inter-agency and the intel community that we knew these groups were thinking about those kinds of soft targets, particularly during the holiday season, that it would be attractive to them. we did one back in may as you may remember for summer travel, for people going on holiday in europe back then. it is something that we're constantly talking about, thinking about and analyzing. it wasn't based on a specific threat and this is not the kind of thing you want to be right about. >> president-elect trump put out a statement yesterday alleging that radical islamists were behind the truck attack in berlin saying the horror at the christmas market was, quote, part of their global jihad.
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does that comport with any intelligence or direct information from the er-germans or u.s. intelligence about this incident? >> we don't have any more information than the germans at this point. and nothing that we do have tells us definitively that this was an act of terror, specifically an act of terror or more specifically by violent extremists. that could turn out to be the case. i can't speak for the president-elect or what information they may have had to base the comments on. it could actually turn out to be exactly that, but we think it's important to let the investigation run its course and not jump to conclusions. that's why we took a bit of a cautious approach yesterday and why today we'll follow the lead of the germans in terms of what they're learning in real triem. to another tragedy, the assassination of the russian ambassador to turkey. we've seen some allies of vladimir putin in the duma in russia trying to imply that the west is somehow responsible. why would that be?
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why would putin's allies be suggesting that the west played a role in the assassination one way or the other? >> it's hard to say. i have no idea. i dealt with this a little bit ago in the daily press briefing. any claim that the united states or the west was involved in this, supported it or encouraged it or was in any way involved in such a despicable act of murder and assassination is ludicrous and ridiculous and not true. we offer support to the investigation, that the russians and the turks are doing. if they need it, we're willing to help. we obviously condemn this incredible, unspeakable act of violence. what we want to see is everybody focus on obviously -- obviously whatever terrorist threats are out there, that we do so in a cooperative way. so i can't justify the comments by members of the duma or some of the rhetoric we have seen coming out of turkey too, that this might have been tied to the fact that ghoulan is here in the
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united states. there is no basis for this. >> turkey's foreign minister told secretary of state john kerry that the muslim cleric who lives in pennsylvania, that his movement was behind this attack. officials from turkey have long wanted him extra died and returned to turkey. have they reiterated the request since the assassination and is the jt considering the extradition of ghoulan from pennsylvania back to turkey? >> as far as i know the process is still ongoing. it has to be fact based and evidence based. they've made no bones about their concerns over extradition. it's something that they repeatedly raise in various forms. we understand their concerns in that regard. but it has to be an evidence-based process. as far as i know, no decisions have been made on extradition to this point in time. i would add that, in the conversation today with the secretary kerry and the foreign minister, the secretary raised his concerns over the rhetoric coming out of turkey with
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respect to ties to the u.s. and ghoulan with respect to the assassination which are obviously not founded. >> john kirby, thank you so much. cnn has asked but trump's transition team will not say whether the president-elect has gotten classified briefings from u.s. intelligence officials in the wake of the attacks abroad. we know his own national security folks are in his ear. is that enough? that part of the story next.
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welcome back to "the lead." president-elect donald trump weighing in on the horrific attacks in turkey and germany and a shooting in switzerland. trump is apparently being briefed by his security team. jessica snyder is covering the transition in new york. jessica, this comes as president-elect trump is being engaged in a war of words with former president bill clinton? >> yes. donald trump does not discriminate on twitter. hours after his stern message
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condemning the attacks overseas, he lashed out at former president clinton, disputing the details of a personal phone call between the two and then criticizing hillary clinton's campaign strategy. the president-elect, spending the week in palm beach, taking to twitter to condemn the attacks in europe and ankara, turkey. the civilized world must change thinking. trump terming terror, despite officials not tying the attacks to a group or motive. trump says he has conferred with his security advisers, but no word if he has received recent briefings from u.s. intelligence. the incoming president doubled down in his statement saying isis and other islamist terrorists continually slaughter christians in their communities and places of worship. trump's team going further saying using the term "islamic
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terrorism" is necessary even though president obama has refrained from using it. >> mr. trump has made it very clear, he understands the threat that radical islamic terrorism poses to our nation and frankly to our friends and neighbors around the globe and that we have to be able to call it what it is and root it out. we cannot be politically correct. >> reporter: trump's tweets turning on bill clinton after the former president's comments to locals were published by a local paper. he doesn't know much. one thing he does know is how to get angry white men to vote for him. trump retorting. bill clinton stated that i called him after the election. wrong. he called me, with a very nice congratulations. he doesn't know much, especially how to get people, even with an unlimited budget, out to vote in vital swing states and more. they focused on the wrong states. clinton conceding one point to trump, tweeting, here is one thing @real donald trump and i can agree on. i called him after the election. even as he laments the outcome. >> at the end we had the russians and the fbi, we
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couldn't prevail against that. she did everything else and still won by 2.8 million votes. >> reporter: that back and forth aside. questions still loom about how trump will frame his foreign policy. trump tweeting a few minutes ago about an unexpected meeting at m mar-a-lago this past weekend saying he met with carlos slim, who had cut business ties with the president-elect because of his comments about mexicans. president-elect trump was quick to call the attacks abroad acts of terror even though u.s. officials are not quite there yet. what kind of message does it send? we'll discuss that next. the investigation that followed the pain pills, then followed the money and uncovered one state's alarming trend that may explain why so many people in that state are addicted to opioids. stay with us.
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ghou . welcome back to "the lead." sticking with politics. in 31 days donald trump will be sworn in as our nation's 45th president. dan balls, chief correspondent for the "washington post" joins me. heidi pr heidi prez bla and anna from politico. thank you for being here. this is former house speaker newt gingrich talking to diane rehm about possible ethics concerns donald trump may face in the white house. >> in the case of the president, he has broad ability to organize the white house the way he wants to. he has frankly also the power of the pardon. it's a totally open power, he could simply say, look, i want them to be my advisers. i pardon them if anybody finds them to have behaved against the rules, period. technically under the constitution he has that level of authority.
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>> that's quite a statement. >> quite a statement. we have never heard one quite like that. >> no, not really. >> jake, i think this is an issue that will be with us throughout the presidency. i think the issues are difficult to resolve. he seems determined not to want to resolve them cleanly or clearly at this point. everything we know about him based on what he did or didn't do with his taxes during the campaign is to resist the convention. i think there will be an ongoing battle and ongoing questions about it and he'll resist. >> anna, i think one of the things from president-elect trump may not fully understand is that a lot of the people calling for him to really wall off his business interests from his white house and these include the "wall street journal" editorial page, plenty of republican officials, these are people a lot of them whom actually want his presidency to succeed and think that all these potential conflicts of interest will hurt him. >> it's just the constant drip, drip, drip, right?
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every single day, whether it's the "new york times" or us at politico, there are new reports of conflicts of interest of what his children are doing, who they're meeting with, is he going it divorce himself from his businesses in terms of the technicalities. if you are a republican on capitol hill, you want his agenda to move forward and this makes it really hard to do. >> let's talk about the terrorist attacks and how president-elect trump has been dealing with them. he has been calling them radical islamic terrorism. obviously the attack in berlin sure looks like it probably is. and i am not entirely sure if it was radical islamic terrorism or anti-russian terrorism in the incident in turkey. critics have said, he shouldn't be making these statements right now. he is not yet president. president obama should really be the one talking about this, not the president-elect. what do you think? >> it was the same thing with china and the drone. that doesn't stop him from saying it. i think what you're seeing is the very different approach at least rhetorically between the outgoing and incoming
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administration. trump was quick to judge this as terrorism. he was also notably quick to define this very differently from obama who defined this as an attack on nation-states by an external enemy, whereas trump defined it along religious lines. he talked about an attack basically on christians from radical islamic attacks. this is where the rubber meets the road. what the actual tactical differences will be between the strategy of the current administration and the new one. because as isis loses ground in the middle east and iraq, we're down to mosul, you are fighting an ideology and terrorism, you know, radical terrorism, that has spread all over europe and potentially in the united states. you can't, quote, bomb the hell out of that. there has to be something different. >> sean spicer, spokesman for the transition, was asked how
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donald trump will be different in dealing with radical islam or terrorists. he said he won't be hung up on political correctness. beyond that, and that is something a lot of his voters will care about, but beyond that tactically, what will he do differently? >> he hasn't laid that out. he has been rhetorically different than the president as everyone knows. he's been quick to declare certain things when terrorist activities occur. in many senses he is still in campaign mode. operating as he did during the campaign. he will be asked what are you actually going to do. and so far we don't have a clue. whenever he was pressed on that during the campaign his rhetoric was very strong. i thought of him as a muscular interventionist. he talks a good game but has resisted the application of u.s. force. we don't know exactly what he wants to do. >> interesting development that the "new york times" mentioned and it's on the facebook page of the far right austrian freedom party. they claim that they have met with general flynn, donald
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trump's designated national security adviser at trump tower. flynn denies meeting with the head of the party, but in terms of whether flynn met with other representatives or the party or people from the party met with representatives of the trump transition team, we don't know. we know that flynn denies having met with the head of the party. there is a lot of concern people have about the alliances that bannon and others are forming with the far right parties in europe. >> it's different. they're taking a very different tactical strategy in terms of how they're going to deal with either the official governments or are they going to try to have these alliances with the far-right groups that have really moved to alliances with russia and moscow. we talk to foreign policy experts. there is a lot of concern about what does this mean about where his foreign policy will go. >> heidi, why are people so concerned. why are people concerned about steve bannon reaching out to the la pen family in france and
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meeting with the members of the far right austrian freedom party if that happened? >> that party was formed by ex nazis. because the incoming trump administration has tried as much as it can to separate itself from the same kind of far-right nazi, you know, fringe movement here, but that's the connection. it's also the influence of russia. i think this really flew under the radar during the campaign, the connections that were taking place. when you have nigel farage fly across the ocean and go into the spin room to talk to the media on behalf of donald trump. you see the kremlin, in different ways, exerting itself across eastern and now western europe and in the united states, because this austrian party, for instance, one of the things that you see happening there is talking about easing sanctions. what is the discussion right now about what trump might do despite the hacking that has been taking place?
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is to come in and ease sanctions on russia. >> thank you all so much. appreciate you being here. merry christmas if i don't see you before saturday. profiting from addiction? a report accusing big pharmacy companies of making money off an epidemic that's killing more people than gun homicides. stay with us. with my moderate to severe ulcerative colitis, the possibility of a flare was almost always on my mind. thinking about what to avoid, where to go... and how to deal with my uc. to me, that was normal.
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back with our health lead today. a shocking report suggesting that pharmaceutical companies are raking in hundreds of millions of dollars in just one state, west virginia, one of the poorest states in the nation, specifically by pouring an astounding number of highly addictive pain-killers into the state. this as we got a chilling reminder last week just how deadly and prevalent opioid addiction is. the cdc saying last year more americans died from opioid overdoses than gun-related incidents. >> thanks so much for joining us, eric. you exclusively obtained a
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confidential drug shipping sales record from the d.e.a. what does it show? >> what it showed was that, between 2007 and 2012, the drug wholesalers shipped 780 million pain pills into west virginia. those were of two particular kinds. oxycodone and hydro codone. that translates into about 430 pain pills of those particular kinds over the six years. and at the same time one of the examples that we sort of cited in the article was what we were seeing is there was a lot of shipments that were going to small, what i call mom and pop pharmacies in one town of about 400 people, in kermit, west virginia, in southern western. over two years there were nearly
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nine million doses of hydrocodone a lone to one pharmacy. we also discovered, as the shipments were pouring into west virginia, the overdose rate was rising. and that number was 1,728 people who died of prescription drug overdoses of these two particular drugs over the six years. >> just astounding! one would think -- i know there are supposed to be safeguards to prevent this kind of overprescription. so are the doctors and the pharmacies and the big pharma companies just ignoring the alarms about how many millions of pills they're sending to this one state? >> well, we interviewed one pharmacist. he is a local pharmacist. been working for 60 years as a pharmacist. his name is sam suppa from charleston. the way he explained it was that you have the rogue doctors
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prescribing. you have the pill-mill pharmacies dispensing the medications, you've got the drug wholesalers distributing the drugs. and of course, you've got the manufacturers making the powerful pain-killers. so, when you look at it, he described it sort of as an ugly chain where no one wants to -- seems to want to, at least, take on the responsibility. >> eric eyre, great reporting by you and your colleague, andrew brown. thank you so much. as you just heard, the state of west virginia has become ground zero for the opioid epidemic. the cdc confirms last year west virginia had the highest rate in the united states of drug overdose deaths. there are too many videos like this one going viral. this is from earlier this year. it shows a west virginia man overdosing on heroin and the paramedics who saved him -- it's from their body camera video,
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thankfully, they were able to save him. joining me now to discuss this, senator joe mansion of west virginia. thank you for joining us. the story is shocking. it seems like big pharma, in a lot of ways, is really preying on the people of your state. what can you do about it? >> i have been saying this for a long time. first of all, eric eyre has done an unbelievable job. he stayed right on it and continues to give me information that's so accurate and factual. i appreciate it. we've been saying this is a business model. they can't tell me you can send nine million pills in two years to kermit, west virginia, and someone hasn't targeted it. fda continues to put more products on the market, jake, and they're not taking anything off. you have the dea that wasn't doing their job at all. because they're basically overseeing how many products are going into the market and who is dispensing it.
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no one is overseeing the doctors, making sure that they're competent enough and educated well enough, understanding the pearls rils o overprescribing. most of the states where your pharmaceutical boards basically should be looking at these rogue pharmacies. i don't care who they are. and we've got to shut them down. it's awful! >> senator, why do you think west virginia has become the epicenter of opioid addiction? >> first of all, we're a heavy-lifting state. we have done heavy jobs. we've done manufacturing. we do the extraction. we've done manufacturing. we have done it all. so people are going to be prone to injuries that sometimes relates to a lot of pain. and you know, i don't know -- when i was a kid growing up, up until the '80s, we never saw all these products on the market. now we have doctors -- i couldn't even get -- hydrocodone, lortab and vicodin
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were a schedule 3 forever. they were prescribing those like m&ms. they should all be a schedule 2. no more than 30 days. doctors, if they don't understand or care, if it says 30 days and you have a tooth extracted. they'll give you 30 days. maybe it should be two days. we finally got the cdc to kick in on prescription oversight. we've got an epidemic on our hands, not just in the state of west virginia but all over this country, jake. but we are ground zero and have been for quite some time. we're going to do all we can with people putting the facts out like eric is doing. >> i want to ask you before i switch topics. you must, in realtime and in real life, see the personal cost of this when you travel the state and go to places like kermit and go to small towns and even bigger cities and see how this is affecting a decimating communities. >> jake, when you have -- i went
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to speak when i first became senator in early 2011 i went to southern west virginia, one of the most beautiful towns, growing up. my friend and roommate from college was from the town of ociania. these little kids said, can we speak to you. i spoke to the whole assembly. they said, can we tell you what's happening in our town? these kids, five years ago, started telling me what was going on. their dads worked in the mines, got injured. before you knew it, they were hooked, lost their family and their home and everything. five years later i'm going back to the same school. now they tell me they're seeing their parents -- some of their parents die in front of them from overdose. when you see kids that have to watch this and they're trying to escape this and we're not doing more than what we should be doing, something is wrong with society when we've fallen down to this. we can pick ourselves up. west virginians are tough. we need help from the federal
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government. start doing your job, fda and dea, making sure the doctors do their job. making sure the pharmacy boards oversee the pharmacies that have been putting this product out. this should not be -- i said, if we can shut it down, we should shut it down. there is still going to be a need but we have too much product on the market and it's a business model that makes a lot of money for a lot of people. >> what do you want president-elect trump to do about this problem, sir? >> we need to declare a war on illicit drugs. you talk to most addicts -- and i go to these spots and talk to the recovering addicts. we have got some places that are really having some success rates, jake. most of them are run by reformed addicts. they got started out as a kid smoking occasional -- what we call recreational marijuana. from there it led into prescriptions, taking out of their parents or grandparents
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medicine cabinet and become a cool kid. then it turned into where they were hooked. now heroin comes on. now the fentanyl comes on. it's unbelievable. president trump needs to say day one, we're not going to lose a generation. we're going to fight this and crack down on the fda and crack down on the dea and make sure we look at this. it's not a business model and we're not trying to protect a budget line for the pharmaceutical companies. it's out of hand. it's truly become -- you can look at the pills, and you've seen the thing -- the article eric did on how many millions and millions and millions, hundreds of millions of pills have been sent to my state, of west virginia, with only 1.8 million people. >> it's incredible. i agree. >> jake, something is wrong. >> i agree. i agree. i didn't get this conversation was too important, so i didn't get to ask you any political questions. you'll have to come back so i can ask you about politics, senator. thank you so much for your time.
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we're back with more in p politics. if donald trump wants to act on a campaign promise to make
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america more energy independent. president obama blocked drilling in parts of the oceans. this as the trump transition team has been asking state department officials about how much the department gives international environmental organizations dealing with the environment. cnn's rene marsh joins me now. questions from the trump transition team may reveal his line of thinking about what he wants to do about the environment. >> that's absolutely right. although he hasn't been coy about sharing how he feels about the environment. he has been pretty vocal about his desire to roll back environmental regulations and, in his own words, cut billions of dollars in payments to the united nations climate change program. but president obama, in his final weeks, just pulled the ultimate trump card that will make one of donald trump's campaign promises a lot harder to achieve. >> america is sitting on a treasure trove of untapped energy. >> reporter: president-elect donald trump has promised to deliver more access to u.s.
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waters to drill mofor oil and g. >> i'm going to lift the restrictions on american energy and allow this wealth to pour into our communities. >> reporter: but president obama is trying to secure his environmental legacy by relying on a decades-old law to ban offshore drilling off the coast of the u.s. >> our plan will end the epa. >> reporter: obama's move puts a wrinkle in trump's plan for a massive roll back in environmental regulations. the question remains how will trump execute this roll-back strategy. >>. >> reporter: a climate change denier. myron ebel is tasked with the new epa. he heads a think tank called the competitive enterprise institute or c.e.i. a report by his organization might be the blue print for the new administration, to undermine
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key environmental regulations, like de-funding oversight of carbon emissions from power play plants, stripping the epa of its power to impact climate policy by changing language in the clean air act. and making it harder to add animals to the endangered species list, which the c.e.i. says creates too many restrictions on private land-owners. >> conservatives want clean air and clean water. it's about how to accomplish that. we don't want people to die on the highways from driving, but you don't want necessarily to implement a regulation that would require everyone to drive five miles per hour. so i think it's more about having sensible regulations that actually mitigate risk. >> reporter: but the current head of the epa, gena mccarthy, said in an interview with the "financial times" monday the policies she has helped to create cannot be undone without scientific proof saying, quote, they have to figure out why the
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climate science isn't overwhelming and go back all the way to the supreme court to explain why decisions we've already made are no longer correct. >> the white house says it's announcing the drilling ban because of the risk of an oil spill and that risk is very significant. this isn't an executive order, so it would be more difficult for trump to overturn it. he would have to, likely, launch a legal battle just because of the way president obama went about putting this into place, jake. >> fascinating. thank you so much, rene. next my conversation with actor mark wahlberg and the boston native's new movie that hits pretty close to home. stay with us. this thing is a beast. steel or aluminum? steel. why? science. it's gonna hold up over aluminum, big time. you can get special holiday pricing and when you find your red tag, you get thousands more cash back. that's two deals in one. two deals sound better than one. that's a for-sure thing for me.
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the star of the new movie "patriot's day" which recreates april 15th, 2013. three people killed near the finish line. 29-year-old krystle campbell. 23-year-old lu ling zi and an 8-year-old. shaun collier was shot dead in his patrol car eight days later. joining me now the star of "patriot's day," mark wahlberg and the film's director, peter berg. you are a boss bostonian and i know it must have had significance for you. >> i felt, well, if they were making the movies, somebody was going to handle it the right way should be involved. >> we see boston police, the debate with the fbi about whether or not to classify the bombings as terrorism. take a look. >> if it's terrorism, it's yours. >> the moment we label this
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terrorism, everything changes. it's not about boston anymore. it's not a local investigation. it's wolf blitzer, it's stock markets, politicians. knee-jerk reactions. anti muslim back lash. what if we're wrong. >> if we don't call it what we know it is. what happens then? >> the accusations are going to come no matter what we do. >> you directed nine films and three are about radical islamic terrorism. the kingdom, lone survivor with mark and now this. is this -- is there a reason behind it? >> i mean, i think one of the reasons is, as a filmmaker, as an artist, i am interested in making films about the world that i live in today, and unfortunately this terrorism has become the new norm. i was in nice on bastille day of
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this year when the truck drove through the crowd. i was on the street five minutes before. i saw that. had a front-row seat to that horror. i am interested, i think mark is interested, in exploring these issues and offering some understanding of what's happening and having a way of discussing it with our children. these are the stories that i find appealing. >> the actors who play the tsarnaev brothers, and we entered their world the day of the bombing through the capture of dzhokhar tsarnaev. incredibly, it looks so much like the tsarnaev brothers, especially dzhokhar tsarnaev. tell us about that. >> alex, pete and i were auditioning people, and they basically walked into the conference room, and i was looking out the window. i saw them and i was like, pete, do you see these guys? they had just met outside, but the resemblance is uncanny, which really allowed us to use a
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lot more of the real surveillance footage with them going to the bank, going to the gas station, going to whole foods to exchange a gallon of milk. and i reminded them, you know, this is obviously something that's happened. it's very recent. don't hang around too much together in boston. because, you know, something bad could happen. >> you know, one of the biggest challenges we faced was quite simply how much screen time we wanted to give these two actors. and we wanted to make sure that we offered very little explanation or justification for their behavior other than maybe some extreme narcissistic personality disorder, and that was something we struggled with and talked a lot about, how much time to give them. >> your character is -- is an amalgam, really, of two different police officers. >> yes. >> what was the biggest challenge you faced, do you think, playing this character given what a tough time this was for the boston and watertown police departments? >> pete and i were like -- i
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knew there was a huge responsibility and a lot of it would be on my shoulders because i was from there and they would hold me accountable. we were so inspired by what people did, we never found ourselves complaining or needed motivation. for the story taking place, well over 100 hours, telling it in a two-hour movie, we figured out the best way to have me in two places at one time and not giving somebody else credit for something they didn't do was to create the composite character. >> one of the things i found fascinating about the movie was catherine russell, the widow of one of the did have of tamerlan tsarnaev. >> i want a lawyer. >> the film makes it very clear that law enforcement and you think that she knew more than she is telling. >> well, again, i reached out to her four times through her attorney, trying to get her to explain how it could be conceivable that they lived together in a very small apartment and bombs are being made and plans are being made. it's hard to envision a scenario
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where she didn't have some information. we asked her to at least enlighten us as to how it would be possible. she never responded. when you speak to members of the fbi and certainly the police department in that area, it's clear that they have strong feelings about her. i do -- i do just also want to say, you know, in regards to the police response, it -- and another reason that i think i certainly wanted to be involved in this film. we do spend a lot of time now criticizing police officers. and there are certainly times when i think that is appropriate. but what we saw in boston and what we saw with law enforcement from the department of fish and game to the top fbi i think was an sxaexample of the best in la enforcement. these men and women performed the way you would hope they would. to me that was a big takeaway, that we should -- you know, if police -- we have issues, okay, we should look at that, but we should not be afraid to look at what cops do when they get it
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really right and what happened in boston was a great example of that. >> i am into that. it's a very intense, very powerful film. peter and mark, thanks so much for being here. "patriot's day" opens in select cities tomorrow and nationwide on december 13th. turning you over to brianna keilar who is in for wolf blitzer in "the situation room." happening now, breaking news. terror man hunt. isis says it is behind the deadly attack on a christmas market in berlin saying it inspired the assailant who drove a heavy truck through a crowd with shoppers. holiday security. new york city is stepping up security at holiday markets and as washington prepares for huge crowds at the inauguration, could the u.s. be next? wider plot? after the murder of russia's ambassador in turkey, vladimir putin vowing now to step up what he calls the fight against terror. but as turkey detains a number of people for questioning, d