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. that does it for us. "cnn tonight with don lemon" starts now. >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. breaking news, a spectacular explosion at a fireworks market in mexico. the death toll is rising. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. in germany the manhunt is on for the berlin christmas market attacker. the german investigators lose valuable time in tracking down whoever is responsible. one man initially detained released for lack of evidence. and stung nning new video o russia's ambassador to turkey
moments before he was fired at. the gunman had books on al qaeda. we begin, though, with the breaking news of the deli explosion at the farmer's market in mexico. let's go to edd aed. he's in mexico. what happened? >> reporter: investigators there on the ground in mexico are still trying to determine the exact cause of what set off this series of what seemed likenedless likene likenedless explosions, just north of mexico city are staggering and horrifying to see this massive explosion that started ripping apart this open air market in this town known for its pyrotechnic industry. this is an open air market with open stands full of elaborate fireworks displays and fireworks systems for sale, and obviously
very popular this time of year. but it seemed, you can tell from the video images, just how out of control this explosion was. the governor of the state with this town tells cnn that three minors, three young children, will be transported to a hospital in texas for treatment for their extreme burns. more than 70 people injured. at this point the latest information we have is that 29 people have been killed. that death toll could continue to rise in the overnight hours. but in those video images, you see how people were scrambling after the explosion had finally quieted down to try to get into the scene. the scorched stands, fireworks stands, just the remnants of what was left behind after this massive explosion, don. >> ed lavendara reporting about this explosion. isis said it inspired the deadly assault. max joins us from berlin. max, good evening to you. isis claiming the attacker was a
soldier from the islamic state. what more can you tell us? >> reporter: they haven't had any direct communication with isis. that's the crucial thing they'll be looking for at this point. or he may be or they may be isis inspired. we've seen that, of course, across the continent in the past. actually, a bit on the back foot, obobviously, because they thought they had their man in this case. they released that man without charge and now we've got a situation where potential killers are on the loose here in berlin or they may have gone further. a serious situation here, don. >> what do police know about him at this point and what are they doing specifically to capture him? >> reporter: they're being very quiet about any information they
have, simply because they're trying to make what connections they have. i think they certainly feel somewhat awkward about the fact that they were giving information about a potential asylum seeker from pakistan before they realized he had nothing at all to do with this. that was the initial suspect, of course. the u.s. embassy are asking people to be vigilant, maintain a low profile in berlin at this time. the police being very careful to try not to sort of fall for isis' doctrine and warn people to stay away from events. they're encouraging people to go to events. there is security there but they're trying to keep a low profile as well. they're trying not to have a big police presence to freak people out, but they want people to be cautious, they want people to be their eyes and ears more than anything else. >> do we know anything more about the passenger found dead in the truck? >> all we know is that he was polish. we know that the truck was polish. we know that the driver, the original driver of the truck,
had a polish boss who talked to the media who said he didn't think that pole had anything to do with this whatsoever. the police really looking down on this because i think they feel they gave too much information early on. >> max, obviously there is a danger of another attack. are christmas markets still open? what are authorities doing to secure these potential targets? >> reporter: the markets are open in other parts of europe. when you've had sort of public events like that, they put concrete blocks around them. they haven't done that here. they want to get that market open as quick as possible as a sign of defiance. that's the system that european agencies put in place after attacks. they want to get the events back up and running as quickly as possible to avoid any sort of interruption. i saw that earlier in nice at the promenade. they were working very hard to gather the evidence they needed before allowing the local authorities to open up the event. again, they're trying to do that
here. a christmas market is really part of german and berlin culture. if they allow that to stop, then they really are giving a nod to isis suggesting they are having an impact on western culture and it's working. >> max, thank you very much for that. i want to bring in national security analyst and berlin analyst. there is a manhunt tonight. could the killer have escaped the country? >> maybe. >> go on. do you want to elaborate on that? >> we just don't know. germany is not a large country compared to the united states, and he's not far from the polish border, and, you know, he could be anywhere at this point. >> yeah. what are your sources telling you about the investigation? >> i don't think there are -- there's nothing to say. i mean, they don't know who this person is, and they're not saying anything about him. >> paul, to you now. isis is taking credit, calling the killer a soldier of the
islamic state. do authorities agree it's isis, and what are your sources telling you? >> no, they don't know whether it's isis at all or even if it's an islamist motivation as far as evidence that's been publicly articulated by german authorities. isis is making this claim that they've inspired this attack, but they've offered no evidence to back that up whatsoever. it really seems that they're back at square one in this investigation. they really did think for hours and hours and hours that they had the perpetrator in custody. there is a real sense of deflation amongst german officials when it turned out this was not the perpetrator. the forensic analysis on the trump cabin indicated that he had not been there at all, and so now they are really desperate to find any clues about who could have been responsible for
this attack. they're doing all their forensics on the trump cabin. they are hoping perhaps to find a match of some of those forensics, fingerprints with databases they have that are disposable. of course, they may not be in those databases. they're also asking the general public to hand over as much video as possible of people shooting video on their smartphones before, during and after the attack. perhaps there could be some clues there. of course, in the boston bombings investigation a few years ago, that video from security cameras, other sources, was absolutely crucial, and they put in just huge amounts of man hours in that boston investigation to try to identify, and they actually were then able to get grainy images of the attackers which they're able to hand out to the public. we'll see if that happens in this case. so far nothing has been provided
to the public in terms of crowd sourcing the investigation by german investigators, don. >> i want to dig a little deeper on where this killer might be hiding, where he might be. the attack seemed to be planned. how likely is it that the attacker had help? >> i think it's hard to tell from what we know. he's obviously murdering somebody, and murdering people is not something that is very natural. so that might imply that he had some kind of training, although we've also seen people who have been inspired by these groups who go out and murder people without training. but that's one aspect that we do know. he obviously had a fairly sensible plan, unfortunately, which was to hijack a very large truck that was full of tons of steel that would, you know, act as a much more lethal weapon. so there was a lot of -- he thought about this fairly carefully. did he do it by himself?
we just -- we know very little at this point, unfortunately, to make any kind of judgment. >> so let's, again, put this into context for us. europe has been reeling from terror attacks for some time now. why haven't they been able to stop them? >> it's really about volume. we've had 7,000 europeans go to syria for training. we've had thousands of them come back. you know, the security services are simply overwhelmed. then you add to that in france are 15,000 suspended extremists, many of whom haven't gone to syria but are just radicalizing in place. it's really a math problem. if you compare it to the united states where we've had, you know, a handful of people travel to syria for training with isis, almost none of them have come back.
many of them have been killed over there. in fact, the total number of americans, don, who have traveled to syria for training by either al qaeda or isis is seven. so you're looking at orders of magnitude, different numbers. when i say seven, that have come back to the united states. one of them is now dead and six of them are in prison. very few americans have gone, very few have come back. the situation in europe is quite the reverse. >> listen, paul, peter had a very short answer. he sa i asked him if he could have escaped the country. he said, yes. we just don't know right now. if the attacker escaped the country, how will authorities track him down? it's going to be very difficult. >> well, if he did escape the country, they'll be relying on their international partners across europe. there is a close corporation to a certain degree between the intelligence services, security services in those various
countries. even though there have been quite a lot of problems with information sharing, especially quick information sharing within europe. but it would be very easy for him to very quickly get beyond germany, the border, with poland away. he could travel almost anywhere within the shanghai zone which doesn't have security postings. but it's not clear whether this was a lone attacker or someone part of a network who perhaps may have some logistical support structure to help him go to ground. we still have the paris attacks who ducked out there, that he was able to go to ground for months and months and months because he had a logistical support structure in brussels that was able to hide him. if this individual doesn't have that kind of structure around him and he is identified, then he may be arrested much more
quickly than otherwise would be the case, don. >> paul crookshank, thank you very much. peter, stay with me. using vehicles to spread terrorism. we'll see how u.s. law officials are trying to stop the sort of attack that happened in berlin from happening in america's cities. this holiday, the real gift isn't what's inside the box... it's what's inside the person who opens it. give your loved ones ancestrydna,
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how did the berlin attacker carry out his deadly assault, killing 12 people? what happened step by step? what is the timeline for the killer's trail? cnn's tom foreman has the details. tom? >> this is the truck that was used in the attack. it's owned by a polish shipping company, and it was on a routine run from italy to germany to
deliver a load of steel, when authorities believe between 3:00 and 4:00 in the afternoon, it was hijacked and the driver was killed. his body was later found inside that cab. why do they think it happened at this period of time? because the owners of the truck back in poland had a sophisticated gps tracking device on this vehicle, and they told the mirror newspaper that during this period of time, twice someone tried to start the truck and failed to do so. and then when it did get rolling again, it moved in an erratic fashion, not like one of their drivers was behind the wheel, but as if somebody who really didn't know how to operate it was there. nonetheless, by 5:00, they told the mirror newspaper the truck was somewhere near the christmas market down here. even though they had tried to call it numerous times and hadn't been able to get an answer. what happens in the next few hours, a bit of a mystery. we don't really know where the truck was. it was fully dark when it arrived, even darker when it came back at 8:00, and that's when it appears to have lined up
down here somewhere. this is the market highlighted in red. and then down at the street level, witnesses say the truck driver turned off the lights and accelerated purposely forward about 40 miles an hour. right here is where all those stalls and all those people were. it jumped the curb, plowed through them for about 250 feet before coming to a stop. why did it stop? nobody knows. it didn't seem to hit a barrier, police didn't stop it, and we didn't hear from eyewitnesses who said they saw somebody leave the cab and run away. nevertheless, when police got there, they found the murder victim but no driver. and a lot of questions. don? >> peter bergen is back with me to talk about that. i want to bring in national security analyst and security counterterrorism analyst and cia
cau t county terrorism official. paul, i want to start with you. what are officials doing right now? >> this is a frustrating moment. typically you have an image or name and you can blow out the investigation in a course of hours. remember what we witnessed in new york at the chelsea bombings a month or two ago when we had a cell phone, and immediately within hours you had a suspect. in this case there is a lot of things you can do, though, in the interim. that is, you've got to talk to the people who were at the scene. did anybody take cell phone photographs? typically in the 21st century, there should be cameras somewhere in the neighborhood. i've got to ask questions about what people outside the neighborhood saw, whether they saw this truck in advance of the event. you're looking at dna and fingerprint information inside the truck. as was just mentioned, i'm looking at the gps tracking information as the truck drove into berlin. did it stop at a gas station that might have surveillance cameras? but until, don, i have a photo
or a name, the ability to blow out the investigation is limited, and that guy has already committed -- presumably it's a guy -- an act of murder is a ticking time bomb. he knows he's going to get caught. is he going to do something else in the short term? >> that photo and a name thing, that's very important, juliet, because do you remember the boston bombers, they put up pictures asking, do you know anything about these guys? but they were asking for the public's help. there is no picture and there is no indication they have any clue about this killer or killers' whereabouts. >> except remember in the boston marathon, the attack happened on monday. the pictures were not disclosed until at least over something like 60 hours later. so there may be images that they're trying to figure out, is this actually the person, before they go public and essentially crowd source it. there is another issue that is coming up in the investigation and people that i am talking to on this side of the investigation, on the u.s. side, at least, people involved with
counterterrorism, and that is one that the germans have to be thinking about, which is that the terrorist was actually not in the truck when it happened. this is consistent with what tom was just reporting. it stops, no one knows quite why, no one was making it stop, and there was no witnesses showing someone getting out of the truck. which may mean he sent it on its way to plow through a crowd and then stopped. that's got to be a theory as well, which means there is likely no pictures. just picking up on what phil said, it's the worst kind of investigation possible at that stage. >> i see peter shaking his head. do you have anything to add? >> i was just greagreeing. we're all in agreement. there is not much to say because the most simple facts about this thing are not known in terms of the identity of this person. >> peter, let's talk about angela merkel. angela merkel has led the way in terms of taking in syrian refugees. more than 900,000 are in germany. a lot of people are now questioning the wisdom of
letting them in. are terrorists trying to infiltrate the refugee populations? is that serious? is that a danger? >> it's certainly a danger in europe. we saw in the paris attacks at least two of the people involved posed as refugees. when you've got a million people coming into the country, just by the law of averages, some of them are not going to be good people. and, of course, angela merkel has paid a huge political cost for the very generous approach to refugees which is in marked contrast to the united states' extremely stingy approach. we've taken something like 10,000 so far, refugees. they've taken a million. so it's a very different kind of situation. but, you know, she's up for election. she's going to run for her fourth term, she announced relatively recently, and she could lose on this issue of the ultra nationalist, the right in germany, couldn't do as well as they did in various other countries around europe. we've seen hostility to refugees as being a very important part of the political process in
poland, in hungary, in france, in germany, in the united kingdom to some degree. certainly hostility to immigrants in general. and this is a wave that is across europe, and angela merkel could be a victim of this kind of ultra nationalist resurgence that we're really seeing right now. >> phil, i want to talk about the assassination of the russian ambassador. the assassination -- the assassin, i should say, screamed, don't forget aleppo, don't forget syria, and before that, al akbar. does it seem like a plot of russia's bombing of syria? >> much the latter. i think you could interpret this as in the same basket of what we've just seen in germany, that is someone screamed god is great. therefore, he must be isis inspired, especially because he is from a country that is turkey that borders syria.
i think both the incidents in turkey and germany, though, are fundamentally different. i think we will probably find, i'm not certain, that germany had some inspirational connection to isis. i think turkey is a flip side of that. that is, you have somebody who is looking at a humanitarian disaster in aleppo across the border is saying our government, that is the turkish government, is increasingly close to russia. that individual is protesting russian activity that's killing civilians. he is not aligning with isis in my judgment. he's aligning with the syrian people saying, i've got to do something to tell the russians, get out, we don't want you here anymore. >> peter, some putin allies in russia are start to go blaing te west for inspiring the assassination. here's what spokesman kirby said about that. >> any claim that the united states or the west was involved in this or supported it or encouraged it or was in any way at all engaged in such a
despicable act is ludicrous. it's certainly not true. >> are russians worried their involvement in syria could turn out to be a quagmire? are they looking for someone else to blame? >> they're saying to rorlteepor it's going to be a quagmire, it's going to be a disaster. it hasn't turned out that way. they got exactly what they wanted. their client assad has essentially gained control of the second most important city in the country. i'm sure they're feeling pretty good about it. they claim that they've withdrawn a lot of their forces. that's not true. but i want to go back to what phil said because i completely agree with this attack. the fact that i said ala akbar doesn't necessarily identify him with isis at all. he's horrified with what he's seen next door in aleppo, that's a very likely kind of explanation of what we just saw.
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a new wave of freemrefugees pouring out of war-torn syria even amid heightened fear of immigration. nicholas, thank you for coming in, especially on a holiday week. let's talk about the tensions over the possibility that this berlin attacker could have been a recent immigrant. germany has more refugees than any other country, nearly 900,000. how do you think germany and others should balance national security and the humanitarian crisis that we're seeing with these refugees? >> i must say i really admire
angela merkel for her humanitarianism in welcoming these refugees, but i do think it was not handled very well by europe, and there is clearly a huge backlash politically. she is paying a political price. >> how so, the vetting of it? >> there was no real coordination among european countries, no consensus about how to handle it. there wasn't adequate security vetting. it also created, unfortunately, this incentive for everybody in so many different countries to feel that this is their moment to lunge toward europe. it created this race. everyone in west africa was rushing to the mediterranean to get across the mediterranean. >> this backlash she is having, is she having to -- >> we're already seeing that in her position on the hibab
change, for example. immediate responses to this were her opponents were -- filters from holland were describing her a blood-spattered clothing, this type of thing, and a loft germans are profoundly unhappy with her. she's coming to an election. i think it's going to be pretty tough for her, and there's going to be much less appetite on the part of europe and the u.s. to accept some of these desperate refugees. >> the more articulate part to my question is she's now having to shift. will that save her for reelection? >> after our election here, i think journalists should be pretty humble about predicting election results, whether in the u.s. or germany. >> let's speak of the election here, because this is what donald trump has said both about the berlin and the turkey attacks. he blamed radical islamic group
attacks. he said, isis and other islamist terrorists sought terrorists in their communities as part of their global jihad. it's not yet clear what context trump is being briefed on with u.s. intelligence. but is it too soon, do you think, to make this link with so many unknowns? >> i think that it certainly does seem that, you know, berlin was very likely in that category. much less clear about turkey. of course, we had the zurich attack which seems to have been by a christian. and also, even to the extent that it's by an islamist, it's not clear that it's by a refugee. one of the big problems for europe has been muslims living in europe who go off to syria to join the islamic state and then come back, possibly with european passports. and i guess the larger point is, you know, are there risks? absolutely. and terrorists are not only
murdering individuals, they're also attacking the social fabric. but we also have to have some kind of perspective, and in the u.s., for example, on average of the last 10 years, a typical year about four or five people are killed by jihadists on american soil. and 40 or 50 are killed by lightning in this country every year. so their threat is real, the casualties are real, but there are a lot of other things that are happening, and there are also a lot of people in tremendous need. >> we want to put it in perspective. also in a statement by trump, he also follows up by mentioning eradication of terrorists. us this falls into the face of jihad. why is that? >> this summer we were seeing the islamic stage chortling at the idea that trump might be elected. they thought if he were elected that he would solidify their narrative of it being islam against the world and that he would take actions such as,
perhaps, barring muslims that would help their recruitment. and, you know, in germany just, what, two months ago, you had an incident where the german authorities were desperately searching for a terrorist, and it was other syrian refugees who found that person, called the police, the police couldn't understand their broken german, so they took a picture -- they tied him up and took a picture and walked him down to the police station and showed him who they had in their apartment. so the risks are real but the potential allies in dealing with terrorists are also some of these same folks who it's very important to work with. >> the response from the president-elect and the president has been different. the president-elect -- i mean, the president has been a little bit more reserved and measured in his comments. >> a little bit? >> here's what peter biner writes about that. he looks at it as a conflict
putting countries of all religious and socialist control. >> there is a danger that in our rhetoric and our response, we end up empowering that isis narrative. you know, there are 1.7 billion muslims around the world. certainly there is a terrorist threat in there that is a real risk that has to be confronted. we have to be careful not to stereotype muslims or anybody else. especially at a time when you have more people displaced by war than any time ever. as the son of a refugee, i think about that. trump -- his family described themselves as swedes because they were embarrassed and afraid to describe themselves as germans. because at one point germans in this country were an enemy. >> the spokesperson for the rnc who now works for trump says
we're being too politically correct. does he have a point? because many americans are concerned about this. >> i think that it is fair to say that sometimes we are reluctant to acknowledge that there disproportionately has been terrorism, disproportionately has come from the muslim community. this is something muslims acknowledge, and one can acknowledge that without stereotyping and taking -- making calculations about an entire faith and also recognizing that these risks, while real, that in the u.s. you were 10 times more likely to be killed by lightning than you are by a jihadi. we have to do everything we can to guard against that risk through intelligence collection, through working with muslim communities, through vetting,
but let's also keep it in perspective. >> thank you, sir. thank you for coming in. >> good to be with you. coming up, donald trump's response to attacks around the world calling them islamic radical terror, and he's calling for the civilized world to change its ways. we'll talk more about his choice of words, next.
phillip blood, "washington post" political reporter, cnn's political commentator matt lewis, assistant editor to the "washington post." lots to get to, but i want to start with this. the trump family distancing itself from a january 21 fundraising event after press reports that attendees could get a meeting with president donald trump for a million dollars. what's your reaction? >> there's a gamut of reactions. i think that the issue here -- this is something that's alarming. i think it's worth noting that president obama had a non-profit political organization that he gave speeches to and also that people could give a certain amount of money and they got to meet president obama. this has done to some extent before, but it's troubling because of donald trump's conflicts, particularly the conflicts with his businesses. we don't know how donald trump is separating out eric and donald jr. who are supposed to be running the business,
according to a tweet, which is all we have to go on. ivanka trump is on the transition team. she was supposed to have this coffee where you could pay $60,000 to meet with her. there are these overlapping places where there is the trump organization and there are these charities and there is the trump family, and it is probably intentionally still murky. >> what do you mean? on the part of the trumps? >> they've had plenty of opportunities to clarify what's going on, including a press conference on decembseptember 1 there has not been any clarity. >> it advertised a private reception with donald trump as well as a multi-day hunting trip with donald jr. and eric trump for sponsors who picked the $500,000 grizzly bear package, the 1 milli$1 million bald eagl package, and they said details about the event that had been reported, quote, are merely initial concepts that had not
been approved or purchased -- pursued, sorry -- by the trump family. eric and donald jr. had supposed to be handling the business to avoid conflicts of interest here. does this look like a pay to play or that they are ignorant? >> i think it's the latter. first of all, they're disputing that this is an event that they were even involved in. it could be that their friends, without their knowledge or consent, said that this was going to happen. but, you know, look, i think phillip's primary concern is a legitimate one, but it's about the business, right? if people go and stay at trump hotel in order to curry favor with them, that is lining donald trump's pocket. and that, i think, is problematic. this doesn't bother me really that much at all. what you're talking about is it's hypocrisy because donald trump talked about draining the swamp. truth is this is what politics
do all the time. if you go to a political fundraiser and you donate a lot of money to hillary clinton or barack obama, and you get to meet president obama, maybe you're meeting him because you care deeply about the issues he cares about, or maybe you want to whisper something into his ear. but this is actually politics as usual, which is part of -- it's what donald trump ran against, but it's not surprising. >> but draining the swamp, right? before i get to dave, is it a little early? like after a while once you settle in, you sort of figure it out? shouldn't some of these things have been figured out before you become president of the united states? if this does happen, we'll have to be very careful about this, kids. we can't do this, mr. trump and we can't -- shouldn't that have been figured out already? >> one would assume. i don't think it's an accident this event was supposed to be held on january 21st, the first day that donald trump was president of the united states. yes, they should have figured this stuff out, but there are indicators that it didn't
happen. >> go ahead, dave. >> it's already laid out by phillip and matt. if this is a one type of situation, you could say this is politics as usual, this is not quite draining the swamp, they've distanced themselves from it. but there are things that have accrued this far into the transition that have raised flags -- >> just to add to your point and i'll let you finish. friday the trump organization canceled an auction for a private meeting with ivanka trump after the "new york times" raised questions about whether it appeared to offer a special opportunity to meet with the first daughter. you're saying there are a lot of murky things. are the sons becoming a political problem before he's even president or maybe even the daughter? >> taking a step back, don, i think the thing is this is a family that has been successful in branding themselves around their name, in running this business that revolves around the trump brand and the trump image, and i think they need to take a quicker turn towards realizing that now their family
is in public service. they were chosen by the electorate to be in public service and not to continue to brand themselves for personal gain. again, you know, nothing nefarious has been shown by these incidences yet, but if you look at, for instance, last month ivanka trump being on calls with her mother and president mauricio marcre and the president of japan when the trump family had business dealings in both of those countries. those are the kinds of things. the other things you brought up are the things they'll have to build a wall between themselves and this if, a, as long as president trump is president, and b, if his grown children are not going to just be running the business but be part of his administration or at least advising him on public policy issues. there's got to be some separation. >> i want to ask this question to make sure i ask it in a way that -- because i don't know if there's exact parody here. if the clintons had done this, would there be as much scrutiny and as much criticism, or do you think they would have done it
because they're a lot more politically savvy? that's for you, david. >> i think the clintons have been scrutinized, certainly, in the most recent campaign is not early in their career. the clintons were scrutinized for any number of things including the clinton foundation and the clinton global initiative. and rightfully so. but they're no longer on the stage. president-elect trump is on the stage and i think that's where the focus should be. >> they were scrutinized very heavily by president-elect donald trump. more to come. we'll be right back.
bill clinton told a local newspaper that bill clinton called him the day after the election and he saz he doesn't know much. one thing he does know is how to get angry white men to vote for him h. trump fired back tweeting pacif bill clinton stated i called him after the election, wrong. he called me with a nice congratulations. he doesn't know much. so she won. he's the president elect. should he focus on -- he didn't
deny. >> this is so high school amateur. he called me. i didn't call -- he called me. >> you hang up, no, you hang up. >> you wrestle with the pig in the mud and you get dirt. this is what donald trump does. he trolls people on twitter. i think it's a mistake for president clinton to get in the mud with him because he does have a legacy. as i understand, his wife lost an election. there's an emotional connection. i'm not surprised trump did this. i'm a little surprised that bill clinton. >> revealed the conversation, you mean, to a reporter? >> yes. come on, you just lost. now is don't have these sour grapes and the second tweet owned bill clinton. he said what i know is how to win important states which is true. bill clinton all he is doing it making it look like the clintons are better and getting embarrassed by donald trump is a bad look.
>> david, do you agree? >> it is a bad look. can't sum it up any better than that. >> don't do it. >> don't go there. >> yeah. why do you think he gets to trump so much that clinton gets to him so much? >> a couple of things. trump is thin skinned. he's demonstrated it. as phillip said it is not a good look for a future president of the united states and not a good look for a former president of the united states. bill clinton was not an effective surrogate for hillary clinton during the campaign. i think he knows it and is trying to get last licks in and it's not working. i will say there is a certain degree to which the next democrat will have to resolve themselves to getting down in the mud with donald trump. no matter how low you go, donald trump will go one lower. proved that in the campaign. the one democrat, who was really willing to go toe to toe with him on twitter was elizabeth warren. she never backed down from him. she trade td cheap insult for
cheap insult and came out on top in a couple of exchanges. i don't know if he will be the democratic candidate but donald trump will not change and just capitulate to a new candidate two or four years from now. >> was that sarcasm? >> that was sarcasm. >> we have all been on talking about berlin, talking about turkey. donald trump tweeted eight times in the last 24 hours. one has been about the terror attacks. others have focused on him winning the electoral college, meeting carlos slim and attacking bill clinton. do you think the timing is misplaced or insensitive given what happened overseas. >> i think this is what he does. it is baked in to the cake. we're not going to be outraged by it anymore. bill clinton shouldn't have been outraged by it. i think there is a potential -- oofbly the
obviously there is a potential for him to ruin markets and mess up on diplomacy. and there is an opportunity for him to use twitter in a way. for example, when he is trying to pass legislation to lobby members of congress to go over the heads of the media and politicians to their constituents. on one hand i wish he would give up twitter but on the other i think it would be giving away a powerful resource. >> david, i have to move on. relying on 63-year-old law and not an exec action, president obama provitected his environmental legacy by barring ocean indefinitely. "washington post" has been reporting the trump transition team has asked state department officials to disclose how much it provides each year to environmental groups. what can you tell us about it?
>> the report by our colleagues really insightful in the sense that look, you are looking at an administration that is weeks in to their transition and already focused in on what moneys spent by the state department on environmental initiatives. with all of the other hot spots in the world, with all of the other things on the state department's plate this is zeroed in on. it doesn't mean that something nefarious is going on or they don't have the right to do it or take stock of how much money is spent but when you add that to the sort of energy industry folks that are sort of migrating toward the trump administration, i think it raises an eyebrow about what the priorities are in the incoming administration. >> was this a reaction to tillerson, to rick perry and to scott pruitt, one ran exxonmobil. >> i think they can walk in -- walk and save the environment at the same time.
>> yes. >> i thinks this a lot of scrutiny on this president and i think it is healthy and good. i wonder -- i don't know that we had the same amount of scrutiny toward the early days of the obama administration. but this is good. we should hold politicians accountable. keep an eye on them. a man from germany. isis claiming it inspired the deadly attack. with directv and at&t you can stream all your favorite shows without using your data. that makes you more powerful than a table for 60. wednesdays are the new thursdays! or the mandatory after party. how early is too early to leave? you're not going anywhere. i'm not going anywhere. it's your tv, take it with you. watch all your live directv channels, on at&t, data free.
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