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john berman here. kate is off today. we have breaking news out of germany. police raids now under way connected to a tunisian man suspected of plowing a truck into a berlin christmas market, killing 12 people. investigators say the suspect was a known risk to various security agencies in germany for
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his ties to radical islamist groups, and that he was arrested in august with forged documents on his way to italy, but was later released. we also know he had been refused asylum and that proceedings to deport him had already begun. the suspect's i.d. was found in the cab of the truck and indicates he was in his early 20s. cnn international live in berlin with fast-moving developments. what else are you learning? >> reporter: we are getting a lot of significant information. you listed some of it there, german authorities are urgently and actively looking for a tunisian man in his early 20s born in 1992. security officials are telling us he's 24, 25 years old. you also said he was stopped in august of this year with forged papers trying to make his way to italy but later released and if indeed he is connected to this terrible truck attack on monday evening, it means that authorities at one point had him
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in custody but let him go. what more do we know? they believe that he was refused asylum. the interior minister tells us that he entered germany in july of 2015. according to the local interior minister, since february of this year, he was mainly in berlin but he was highly mobile so he was going back and forth between the capital berlin and this northwestern region which is significant because that is where it is believed that an isis linked network is based. the leader of that network was arrested and charged with terrorism related offenses, but this individual potentially connected to this network is someone who is still on the run and this is very worrying for germans and authorities because if it is the perpetrator that means he's armed, we know that whoever committed this attack killed the truck driver who was found in the cab of the truck on
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monday evening after this terrible incident. so there's really a sense of urgency right now to try to hone in and capture this individual as quickly as possible because lives are at risk at this stage. >> indeed they are. hala, thanks so much. want to bring in cnn terrorism analyst and editor in chief of the ctc citadel, paul cruickshank. they have a suspect now that they are trying to hunt down. do you have a sense from your contacts on the ground if they think they know where he might be roughly? >> well, there have been raids today in the northern part of germany where the tunisian suspect was at a certain point residing in germany. that's also where this radical isis recruiting network were mainly based that he was connected to recruiting people to go and join isis in syria and iraq. there's concern that because of his ties to this network inside
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germany that they may be able to hide him or maybe even smuggle him out of the country. after all, that's what these jihadis were doing inside germany. they were smuggling german recruits to go to join isis in syria and iraq. of course, after the paris attacks with saleh abdeslam, he was hidden by a logistical support structure in brussels linked to the network in that attack for months and months and months before security services were able to find him. if he's getting help from this network that he was moving with, then it could be a much more complicated task indeed. they have not got him in custody, i'm told, at this point and they are very worried that he may strike again because he's considered to be armed and dangerous. look, he could go and hijack another truck somewhere else in germany or europe and do this all over again. >> adds urgency to the hunt. paul, once again, we hear he was known to authorities. that was something we heard fin
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france. we hear he was in custody at one point. that's something again we heard in france. and known ties perhaps to terror groups, enough so that he was refused asylum. >> well, there are a lot of questions for german authorities because of all these missed opportunities to apprehend him. there were deportation procedures against him but they had to drop those after they were not able to confirm his identity. under german law, you have to know who you are deporting before you are able to deport them. that all complicated the task of german security agencies. i have to say, though, they can't follow all these radical extremists all the time. you can only monitor a fraction of them at any one time. dozens maybe at the very most. otherwise it runs into ridiculous amounts of money and resources. so that's the challenge in europe where you have tens of thousands of people who have become radicalized by this
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ideology. that number is astronomical, way beyond the capabilities of european security services to deal with. there will be more attacks. >> i have just about a minute left. what can you tell us about this german organization that this suspect may have been connected to? >> it's the 32-year-old iraqi who is the most charismatic figure in a network who were smuggling wanna-be jihadis from the northern part of germany to fight with isis in syria and iraq. the fact that this perpetrator allegedly had ties to this network suggests he would have had plenty of opportunity to actually get in touch with isis and so one real question now is whether they were perhaps communicating with him. they had some advance knowledge of this, whether they were grooming him to do this using
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encrypted apps which they have done in so many cases in the west where they were figuratively holding the hand of these radicals in the west as they moved through the various phases of terrorist attack planning. >> another phase in the investigation they are working on. first and foremost, the man hunt. paul cruickshank, thanks so much. we also have breaking news out of mexico. 31 people are now dead following giant explosions at a fireworks market north of mexico city. that number, the death toll rising just a few minutes ago. those were pictures of the explosion. i think we also have new pictures of the aftermath, what it looks like today. more than 72 people were injured, some with severe burns. want to go live to cnn's sara sidner near the site of this
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blast. the images are just devastating. >> reporter: they absolutely are. it's not just devastating to watch them. of course you have families that are at the morgue still wondering if their loved ones are among the dead. there are bodies so charred they cannot identify the bodies in some cases and we have also just now talked to one of the stall owners here. i will let you see what the scene looks like right now. we have been watching as cadaver dogs have been going inside of the remaining buildings that are standing and through some of the rubble as well as forensics teams. you are also seeing the army soldiers and police who are here en masse going through some of this rubble. what we just heard from a stall owner is that everyone in this market pretty much knew each other. there are about 300 stalls. there are only a handful of them that are still standing and still viable. this is not only devastated this community because of the number of people who died, but also because of the economy. this is what fuels the economy
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here in tultepec, mexico. she says we are absolutely financially devastated. she almost sort of said our life is over when it comes to having a living and being able to make a living here in tultepec. pyrotechnics are what people make a living off of here. there were families coming because christmas is a time where in mexico folks go and buy fireworks and blast them off on christmas. they also blast them off of course on new year's. so families are here, mothers, fathers, aunts, uncles, children and we do know children have been devastatedly injured. three of them had to be flown out with 90% of their bodies burned, flown to galveston, texas. it is a very difficult day in tultepec. we are about 25 miles north of mexico city. >> the video of the blast, the
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succession of blasts, simply remarkable. sara sidner, thanks so much. joining me, retired atf explosives investigator, anthony may. anthony, this town, this area was an open air market, stall after stall of fireworks set up. it's a huge, huge place. it has to be incredibly high risk for just this type of event. >> good morning. these markets in mexico are not uncommon. they are open air markets. i have not been to this particular one but i have been to several when i was living in mexico city. but these stalls are made up of concrete blocks, concrete buildings, and these events in this particular market has a history of explosions. >> there was one back in 2005, to be sure. is there anything you can do to keep an area like this with so many explosives, is there anything you can do to keep it safe? >> well, they in fact did, from
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the 2005 the mexican government required that the stalls be separated, but what you have got to understand is that the quantity of material and with fireworks, they are nice to look at, pretty, entertaining, but also very dangerous, as this event demonstrates. in mexico, there's no regulatory agency that controls the quantity of energetic or explosive materials that is in this product. unlike in the u.s., we have the consumer product safety commission that will regulate the quantity of energetic material inside what's considered a consumer fireworks, what we can go to a store and buy. in the aerial display shells, which you see shoot up in the sky on the different celebration events, those are regulated by atf as an explosive product. a lot of times people will go to mexico, try to buy fireworks and try to bring them in the u.s., and this is the very reason that we try to prevent that, because
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there is no regulatory control. this tragic event, most likely carelessness, safety, somebody may have been smoking or the weather has been kind of cool in mexico city in the last couple days, they may even have had an open fire just to keep warm. there's a lot that could have happened here. >> anthony, how do you find out? how do you investigate this type of accident now? >> well, first of all, they have got to account for all the bodies. once that occurs, the investigators will go through and try to identify the point of origin or where the initial blast occurred. in that video you saw, you saw several, as -- you saw several different explosions, different locations. what's happening, wherever that initial explosion occurred, we have kick-outs. it will kick out product that's on fire that's landing in other product causing explosions to propagate throughout this whole market. but they have to go back to the
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source of where that was and that's a difficult task for investigators. but for example, the atf international response team has been to events like this before. if the government of mexico asks for their assistance, i'm sure the government probably, u.s. government would send them in. it's a difficult task. it's a labor-consuming task. >> first and foremost is helping those people who were injured and tending to the families of loved ones. thanks for being with us. >> you're welcome. next, new people detained in connection to the assassination of a russian diplomat and new video of the chilling moments just before the killer fired the shots. plus, new video of american hostages being held by the taliban including their toddler sons who were born in captivity. hear their message for the president-elect. and new this morning, donald trump sounding off on the election saying his electoral college win was more
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chilling new video this morning that shows the 22-year-old turkish police officer turned assassin stalking his victim. you can see him right there, standing behind russian ambassador andrey karlov, even pacing a bit before calmly pulling his gun and killing the ambassador. this is a shocking public assassination at an art gallery in turkey. authorities have 12 people in custody. russian and turkish investigators are on the case.
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the kremlin cautioning against jumping to conclusions about who supported the assassin. want to bring in former secret service agent jonathan wackrobb, executive director of the risk assessment company raid. jonathan, we were looking at that video together. put that back up again. you can see the assassin walking behind the ambassador there standing there and you say even this image here raises alarm bells for you. >> absolutely. when you look at, this is a photo op for the ambassador. traditionally in this type of environment you wouldn't have security standing right behind him. also, you start looking at some of this pre-attack behavior that's exhibited by the assassin. walking back and forth, a little bit shifty. this isn't the environment for that. this is supposed to be a more secure environment. again, there are a lot of red flags that preceded just the video we are watching. >> i will get to the red flags in a moment. it's interesting because we all saw this at first, initially with the assassination, this man is dressed in a suit, looks like
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cohave been at first blush maybe a member of the security detail, maybe he worked for the art gallery. it's interesting that you say where he's standing and how he's behaving is not normal at all. >> exactly. the problem here is also he's just hiding in plain sight. he has -- he's exhibiting he has a reason to be there. he's blending into the environment. this assassination is a game changer. absolutely. >> so he got in apparently through security by showing his police badge. initially they stopped him and said hey, you can't go in there. he said no, i'm a cop, let me in. >> red flag number one. red flag number one. absolutely. there was a security protocol that was set up at this gallery. the moment that an unknown law enforcement officer comes in to circumvent screening in that environment, that's a red flag. it need further investigation. someone should have followed up. why did that individual come around. the fact that he was standing right behind the ambassador during a press conference. all the years i was with the secret service, for an optic
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they wanted security off to the side if there was no threat. this wasn't a threatening environment. >> who is responsible for security there? i know u.s. diplomats overseas, it's diplomatic security. we bring our own security. >> absolutely. when you start talking about ambassador security, there's all different types of levels. the russians do the exact same thing the united states does. lot of times they have to rely on a host country to provide local security. again, if it's a low threat environment, that security protocol might be just a law enforcement driver in a car, not necessarily this dynamic security protocol that you are accustomed to. >> you say low threat environment. it's an art gallery. that should be a low threat environment but isn't it a high threat environment when your country is engaged in a war just over the border of the country you're in right now? >> after this attack, both russia and turkey will have to go back and deconstruct what happened here. what were the decisions that were made to have a low profile
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security posture in that environment and then we are going to start getting answers from that. how did this officer get through screening, internal controls to the police department. 20,000 police officers were terminated after the coups for different idealogical reasons. how did this guy get through? >> what does it say if 20,000 people were fired that he want one of them. always great to talk to you. have a nice holiday. new video of an american family held hostage by the taliban, prisoners for so long the two boys you see on camera there were born in captivity. plus bill o'reilly facing heat for saying liberals want to get rid of the electoral college to take power away from the quote, white establishment. we'll discuss next.
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30 days before president-elect donald trump takes office, israel's ambassador to the united states is voicing hope that the u.s. embassy will soon be moved from tel aviv to jerusalem. this is something donald trump has promised repeatedly. israeli's ambassador said such a move would be quote, a great step forward toward peace. it certainly would be a great break from the policy of many past administrations. cnn's orren lieberman' joins us from jerusalem. to hear the ambassador say this was very very interesting. >> reporter: a big statement. he is considered one of netanyahu's closest confidants and this would be the highest endorsement to move the embassy from netanyahu's inner circle. the ambassador said at the
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hanukkah party that i hope next year the u.s. ambassador to israel lights the menorrah where the maccabees lit it 2200 years ago. the prime minister however has been much more careful with how he words his excitement about president-elect trump. he has certainly been optimistic, called it great, said there will be opportunity for new ideas about how to handle the israeli-palestinian conflict and the u.s.-israel relationship which is strained with current president barack obama. so this goes back to 1995 where there's a law on the books in the u.s. that says the embassy should move from tel aviv to jerusalem but every six months since that law was passed, that option has been waived for national security reasons by now three different presidents. trump has said repeatedly that he would move the embassy. meanwhile, palestinians furious about the idea, the possibility of trump moving the embassy saying it would violate
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international law and they would consider revoking the recognition of the state of israel. plo's secretary general saying it would also -- they would also cancel agreements between the palestinians and israel. very harsh reaction to the possibility of moving the embassy coming from the palestinians. >> it would be controversial but it was a campaign promise for the president-elect. we will see very quickly if he follows through with that. thanks so much. this morning, with violence flaring across the globe and new fears of terror attacks, new questions about whether he received the classified daily briefing on these attacks, we understand president-elect is getting one today, what is the president-elect doing this morning? he's trash talking hillary clinton's campaign. donald trump wrote this morning campaign to win the electoral college is much more difficult and sophisticated than the popular vote. hillary clinton focused on the wrong states, exclamation point. hillary clinton won nearly three million more votes than donald trump but she lost in the electoral college. for some democrats that is reason enough to question the
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electoral college system. fox news host bill o'reilly thinks they have another motivation. >> the left in america is demanding that the electoral college system put into place in 1787 be scrapped but there's a hidden reason for this. talking points believes this is all about race. the white sees white privilege in america as an oppressive force that must be done away with. therefore white working class voters must be marginalized. summing up, left wants power taken away from the white establishment. they want a profound change in the way america is run. taking voting power away from the white precincts is the quickest way to do that. >> with me now, cnn political commentator and spectrum news political anchor errol louis, carl higbee and there are two issues here, what o'reilly said, and there is also what
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president-elect trump is saying about the electoral college this morning instead of focusing on other issues. let's take bill o'reilly. he says it's all about race. there are questions about the electoral college system at this point, are they all about race? >> of course not. although the electoral college has ignominious origins in the slavery system in which it was born. that's just a historical fact and reality. that's part of the discussion about why people have said maybe it's time to take another look at it. the more pressing issue is we have never had to deal with this before. we are increasingly seeing a growing gap between the popular vote and electoral college outcome. if that continues, from two million to three million whshgs it becomes 10 or 15 million it will be obvious it needs a second look. not necessarily outright abolition but clearly there's an issue that will have to get dealt with. what bill o'reilly is up to, who knows. that's been his brand, that kind of divisiveness, the sort of ugly talk about race, it will
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probably work for his ratings. we are talking about him now on a rival channel. maybe the worst thing you can do with the kind of platform he's built but that's bill o'reilly. >> i should note that some people think it overrepresents rural voters, largely white, not necessarily white working class voters, but beside the point, what did you make of it? >> i generally agree with bill o'reilly but i think he's oversimplifying it in terms of race. it is a talking point for left and right to single out race in this thing but let's look at the electoral college and why it's there in the first place. so you can't campaign in the top five cities and win the entire country. donald trump won basically 96% geographically of america. typically minorities are harbored most in the inner cities. so the issue is he's making the point that white working class are tying to be marginalized by doing away with the electoral college system which would marginalize a large geographical
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area of the country. >> just to be clear, historically speaking, the electoral college was founded based on a couple of things. one was to make sure in some cases that slave holding states did have as much representation as the northern states which did not hold slaves. the other issue which ironically now was that alexander hamilton and others wanted this body to be a buffer. >> you used to have to own land, too, to vote. >> then slaves counted as three-fifths. do you think at this point the electoral college should go away? >> it's not functioning as it was designed to function. one thing we can see with the most recent election, the electoral college was meant to be a break on the sort of uneducated, unknowing populace which is the way the founders intended it. what we have today with information technology, with the internet, we are more informed. we have a robust media. so the idea there are electors
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on high that are going to make determinations about a president that regular folks can't make, i think doesn't make any sense anymore. that's another reason to think about getting rid of it. whether or not we can, whether this becomes another partisan issue which i suspect that it will -- >> let's look at what the president-elect was doing this morning. i was surprised to see him bring this up. i don't think he was bringing it up because bill o'reilly brought it up last night. i'm not sure why president-elect donald trump decided to monday morning quarterback an election he won. you don't often look back and argue over the finer points of an election which you won. the only thing i can think of was maybe he wanted people talking about that rather than some of these stories that have come out over the last 24 hours about his sons maybe trying to grant access or sell access to a charity. >> that's exactly right. when the conflict of interest questions get a little too hot, all of a sudden what he will do is take his twitter and reprogram the reporting of news channels including this one,
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frankly, and have us talk about something else. there's that. there is also this nagging question about whether or not he bo bothered to get any national security briefings as the world is literally going up in flames depending on the corner of the globe you are looking at. so yes, it's a tool of distraction. it seems to work pretty reliably for him. he will do it as long as it works. >> let's talk about the security briefings, because up until yesterday, the transition team wouldn't tell us if he was receiving the classified intelligence briefings post-these attacks that happened this week, string of attacks around the world, they wouldn't tell us whether he was receiving the briefing from the intelligence service. they said he was talking to the national security team. today we learn he is getting the classified daily briefing. that is a good move, in your opinion? >> absolutely. he's getting them today but doesn't get them every day. i sat through these briefings -- >> can i say quickly, the issue in this particular case isn't every day. it's why not get one yesterday. why not get one in the wake of these attacks which are so
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alarming and there is new information which one would think would need to be learned. >> keep in mind members of his staff did attend briefings yesterday and attend them every day like general mike flynn. they inform him based on certain things that he may need to know. going back to what i was saying, i sat in these briefings every single day when i was in iraq and places like that. oftentimes for three weeks you would have the exact same intel brief from the exact same power points. there's no need. there's new information, i'm sure general flynn will say mr. trump, you got to attend to this. he will immediately attend to it. for him to sit there every day -- >> again, danielle, it's not the every day. in this case, it's the now. it's the in the wake of these attacks and the idea of not having a buffer. as qualified as retired general michael flynn might be, why play a game of telephone? why not get intelligence from the source? >> i agree. there are a few things going on here. one is optics. it's sort of related to number two. donald trump is the least qualified candidate and now president-elect we have had in
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the history of this country. >> that's your opinion. >> i will say, i will clarify, in terms of we have had generals who served in the military or folks who have been in politics. i'm not saying he's not qualified within business and other things. i want to make that very clear. as it relates to foreign policy, he doesn't have any experience. from an optics perspective -- >> where was obama's foreign policy? >> i think it's really important. the second thing, from a constitutional perspective, there are fewer more important things a president does than being commander in chief. i think your point is well tan. if it is repetitive, i can understand that. folks might want to see because that power is so important, because we have so much going on, we have ongoing israeli-palestine conflict, b berlin, ankara, press suppression in ankara, so much going on. this world is really, i don't want to say falling apart. there's a lot going on. we want to see he's taking it seriously and doing his job. >> the optics matter here. it's different. we are not preelection. optics matter in the image you
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portray to the country as the image of a leader. >> that's right. in south korea, you have an absolute level of upheaval that we barely even report on. we have people marching in the street probably as we speak right now. you have things that are going on in the middle east. you have things going on all over the world and we know from bitter history that it was at a briefing that a prior president was told there's this thing called al qaeda out there that's planning to strike the united states. it didn't stand out enough. it wasn't handled properly. we know that. other presidents like president obama take the same ten minutes they got maybe the day before and have an hour-long conversation about what it means and how to tweak the policy. if donald trump doesn't want to do any of that, that's fine. that's his prerogative. however, we have the right to ask, maybe it would be better to do what your predecessors have done. if you are not going to do it, please explain why. >> last word? >> the other thing, too, obama in his first term only attended less than half of the intel briefings probably for the same reasons, the repetitiveness. also, we have somebody, you are
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calling donald trump not qualified, or the least qualified. president obama served half a senate term and had no foreign policy experience. i would argue that donald trump is exponentially more qualified. >> i will say the one thing that qualified both of them is they both won a presidential election. you are qualified when the american people pick you to be president. you will be the president. you should learn how to do it. thanks for being with us. have a great holiday. just in, we are getting word that russia is now saying all dialogue with the u.s. is quote, frozen. what does that mean? that sounds like a major development. we will get details live from moscow coming up next. (laughter) we're in 8th grade. technology is the only thing that really entertains us. i'm gonna use this picture on sketchbook, and i'm going to draw mustaches on you all. using the pen instead of fingers, it just feels more comfortable for me. be like, boop! it's gone. i like that only i can get into it and that it recognizes my fingerprint. our old tablet couldn't do that. it kind of makes you feel like you're your own person, which is a rare opportunity in my family.
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with the united states is quote, frozen. what does this mean? we go live to moscow and cnn's matthew chance. matthew, what exactly is being said here? >> reporter: the kremlin spokesman confirmed this to me in the past few minutes saying this when i asked him about u.s. relations with moscow. he said this. we have nearly all levels of dialogue frozen. we don't talk to each other or at least do so at a minimum. i think that underlines just how sort of bad the relationship has become between moscow and washington, particularly over the past couple of years over a whole range of issues that has divided those two countries, issues like the conflict in syria first and foremost where russia and the united states are basically on opposite sides of that conflict with the russians supporting the government of assad and the u.s. supporting certain rebel groups. nato expansion has also been an
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issue, where they have fallen out. crimea as well in 2014, the russians annexed crimea of course from ukraine and has been subject on that issue to u.s. sanctions. those sanctions were expanded as well recently and that's also angered the kremlin. >> as i read this translation, nearly all levels of our dialogue has been frozen, now that i look at that a second time it seems to me he's saying we have a chilly relationship. the relationship is not good. it doesn't seem to me, correct me if i'm wrong, like he's saying russia is freezing all relationships, cutting off ties to the united states. >> reporter: oh, no, no, i don't think it means that. i think he was characterizing, you know, how the relationship is, how warm it is. not very warm at all. the other thing he's saying, by the way, this may be a temporary state because the expectation here in russia amongst officials and ordinary russians is that once trump's in the presidency that relationship is going to
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get a lot warmer than it has been under president obama. >> matthew chance, stand by for a moment. i want to bring in david roda, national security investigations editor for reuters. in a way it seems like this kremlin spokesman is stating a fact which is that the relationship between the united states and russia right now is at a low point, is very very bad. >> it is. it's essentially the relationship between the obama administration and some republicans in congress with vladimir putin and i agree with matthew, what matters is what is donald trump going to say when he becomes president and more importantly, will putin say this in january. it's a lame duck administration. putin can say things like this and it doesn't have much consequence. >> both donald trump and vladimir putin have actually said out loud since the election that they are looking forward to more normal and better relations. in a way they have said they do expect things to get better and soon. david, stand by. we have other news to tell you about right now. new video being released by the taliban shows a couple that was taken hostage while
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backpacking in afghanistan in 2012. as well as their two children who were born in captivity. kate lynn and her husband joshua are seen in the video making an appeal to president obama and president-elect trump to help secure their release. cnn pentagon correspondent barbara starr joins me with the details. what do we know about this? >> reporter: what heartbreaking video to look at. these two small children now involved in this. the couple taken hostage by the taliban back in 2012. what may be most interesting for u.s. intelligence officials is this is the most recent proof of life video of the family, because they do mention president-elect donald trump. they are appealing both to president obama and to mr. trump to do something to get them released from the taliban. there is language in this video where they talk about what the taliban want are some prisoners being held in afghanistan, some of their people, to be released. this is something we have heard
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before in relation to other hostage cases. the afghan government not releasing any of the people the taliban want so you know, it is difficult to see a way forward for this family in captivity by the taliban since 2012. let me quickly divert back to the subject of russia. i want to mention that there are in fact a couple of cases where it is to both countries' self-interest to actually talk and in fact, they do. behind the scenes the russian and u.s. military do talk about nuclear weapons testing, about the state of their nuclear weapons arsenal, where those weapons are. they do talk about deconflicting the air operations over syria. they do talk more often than not about where and when exercises may be happening. there are standard notifications about all of that. there are restrictions since this relationship has become
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frozen. there are not the routine visits, the routine communications, but like so many militaries, i just think it's worth reminding everybody in these cases, both these countries when it is in their particular self-interest, somehow they do find a way to communicate. the cyberattacks, the most recent -- >> barbara, thanks for those facts. important information. david, i just want to get your quick take on that video with these parents of these children. having been, you yourself were held hostage in afghanistan for a long time. >> they make these videos, it's appalling. i'm speaking on a personal level and i'm biased because i was held captive. those two children were born in captivity. this family has been held for four years. they were hiking. they were unarmed civilians when they were kidnapped. so it's really terrible to see these videos, terrible to think they continue to be held. >> period. full stop. awful thing to see. thanks so much for being with us. next, chilling testimony in the trial of former nfl star
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former new england patriots tight end hernandez identified as the man who shot two people. survivors in court for a pretrial hearing. one i.d.'d hernandez. a trial and appellate attorney. thanks for being with us. aaron hernandez is in the jail the rest of his life anyway. this is a separate case. in a pretrial hearing, when you have someone i.d. you as the trigger man, how damaging is this? >> devastating testimony for hernandez. sanchez, who identified him, was
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in the vehicle. one of the issues the judge has to decide is whether or not the identification was definite enough. he did say "looks like him." english his first language whether or not he knew hernandez was the shooter. he described everything in detail, seemed to be a very good witness on the stand. in addition to that, buttress this testimony, that hernandez shot into the vehicle. >> and whether it's factual, evidence-based or not just opinion or something? >> well, you're right, but also have to determine whether it's prejudicial. that's key here. if the judge thinks that they'll be too much weight put on this testimony, and it's not definite enough it will prejudice hernandez determining whether or not he's guilty of shooting into the vehicle. not that it's bad testimony for him, just it has to be
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conclusive enough to warrant introduction into trial. >> wait to hear what the judge says on that case. meanwhile, aaron hernandez is already in jail the rest of his life, anyway, almost an academic argument. and another case people are watching closely, robert durst, i am a billionaire, millionaire of the family, wanting to know if he's connected to the disappearance, murder of someone. in the hbo documentary you hear him saying what the hell did i do? kill them all, of course. we all heard him say it out loud. now apparently suggesting whaes he was on drug,ing on meth when he said that. >> it's more for the defense to argue to the jury. whether or not that evidence comes inwas on meth at the time is questionable. at this late stage there's no proof he was on drugs at the time. the judge will look at the video. i think he's trying to undermine the confession saying he was on meth. i think there's a good chance it
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won't even come before the jury. >> you think this will be settled? >> i'm sorry. the testimony that he was on meth. i think it's going to go to the jury, because at this point -- >> right. >> -- they want to prosecute him for the murder. >> great to have you with is. appreciate it. >> thank you. and up next, pop star richard marx also now an action hero. an unrile passenger that attacked flight attendants on his plane. you will not believe what he did about it. that's next. test.
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so much talent in one body. richard marx can not only sing like abon angel, he keeps the skies safe. helped contain an unruly passenger. he assaulted flight attendants, actually tied this man to a seat with a rope. cnn entertainment reporter is here with more details of what went on with richard marx. do tell. >> he is exactly the guy you want on an airplane if something goes wrong, and the memes are funny using lyrics from this song about it. what happened was not funny. you're right. this man on an airplane. soon as they took off from hanoi headed to seoul he started acting unruly. he was attacking passengers, and daty fuentes, his wife, actually, took to social media saying that this took place for the entire duration of the flight, and it was pretty scary, but richard had a rope. he got a rope somehow, and tried
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to help tie down the unruly passenger, but actually got free several times. passengers were scared. and when the flight landed authorities came onboard and detained the man they later said was drunk. a scary situation. >> and richard marx and daisy fuentes, critical of procedures going on at the time? >> critical of the airlines. didn't know how to restrain him. had a taser they didn't know how to use. the airline released a statement defending the flight attendants saying they did everything they could and didn't use the taser because there were passengers nearby that they didn't want to harm. whether or not that's true, they're saying they did everything they could, but daisy and her husband are both saying that this is ridiculous. this was, put passengers' lives in danger it lasted for hours, and they weren't able to restain him, and they should have done better. so -- >> just goes to show, never mess with richard marx and a piece of rope. you don't know what could
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happen. appreciate t. thank you so much. all right. just about the top of the hour now. i'm john berman, and the breaking news out of germany, an urgent nationwide manhunt for a man believed to be directly involved in the deadly attack, and officials are calling terrorism. new information about this suspect and his prior run-ins with the law. 12 confirmed dead. nearly 50 others hurt after somebody plow add truck into a crowded christmas market in berlin. suspect a man from tunisia, whose i.d. was found inside the truck, apparently his man already known to german police, was arrest add few months ago. live to berlin, bringing in journalist chris burns. chris, we're now hearing that there is a reward, a reward for the capture or information leading to the arrest of this man and german authorities just released the name of this individual? >> reporter: yes.
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yes, john. the authorities have, are staging a nationwide manhunt. hundreds of police are involved in that, and, yes, this was the man they believe was in that truck that crashed into the christmas market. you can see over there -- they've turned the lights back on, as a matter of fact. a big surprise. i might update you, too, we're in the middle of a demonstration here. these are the counterdemonstrators against the far right demonstrators who are on the other side. there's just a handful of far-right demonstrators. on this side is much, much bigger. they are chanting against them. they are chanting against hate. they're chanting against nazism. you have, as you can see, there's a sea of these little hand bills printed out with a heart saying that -- love is more important than what these ot


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