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this is cnn newsroom, live from los angeles and london. ahead this hour -- >> a made for tv primetime event, the unveiling of donald trump's pick for supreme court justice. >> the battle storm continues to grow with lawsuits filed against the president's order. and the worldwide petition
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to stop trump, millions signing an open letter against fear and bigotry. hello and a very warm welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm isa soares in london. >> i'm john vause. newsroom l.a. starts right now. ♪ ♪ >> now, president donald trump is hoping to move the u.s. supreme court in a more conservative direction. he has nominated appeal court judge neil gorsuch to fill the vacancy left by the late antonin scalia. >> gorsuch is already drawing fire from democrats and activists for past rulings on health care, gun safety, and environmental issues. but president trump says his nominee's qualifications are beyond dispute. >> today, i am keeping another promise to the american people
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by nominating judge neil gorsuch of the united states supreme court, to be of the united states supreme court. >> joining me now, cnn political commentator john phillips and democratic strategist matt lipman. i want to play you some of nancy pelosi, how he responded to gorsuch's nomination. >> it's a very hostile appointment. lovely family, i'm sure. but as far as your family is concerned and if you breathe air, drink water, eat food, take medicine, or in any other way interact with the courts, this is a very bad decision. well outside the mainstream of american legal thought. not committed to supreme court precedence. >> so why did every democrat senator vote for gorsuch when he was up for the federal appeals
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court in 2006? >> i think something similar happened with merrick garland. and remember the republican party couldn't even give him a hearing. so in this case, as a democrat, i would do everything possible to not allow this guy to come up for a vote. >> why? >> because that's what they did to garland. they never allowed him to have a hearing, and i would do the same thing. and i would do this all along the way with donald trump. this is what the republicans did to barack obama. this seat was barack obama's to appoint. i certainly would not give the republicans -- >> if you don't agree with the candidate or the nominee because of what happened to garland? >> two things about that. so, first of all, yes, a lot of it has to do with garland. he seems very tlepintelligent, guy. i believe some of his views are not where the american people are. on campaign finance, he'd be okay with more corporate involvement in campaign finance,
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also rowe v. wade. numb >> this guy is going to get approved. the democrats can block it if he's not qualified. he's not an ambulance chaser that deadvertises on maury. this guy was educated at finest ivy league institutions, approved unanimously. they can say he's ideologically outside the mainstream. we've heard from democratic senators. nancy pelosi doesn't get to vote on this. she's in the house. joe manchin has said encouraging things. the senator from virginia, mark warner, has said great things about him in the past. i think he'll get the 60 votes, because a lot of democrats in states that trump won handily are going to vote for him. >> i think it would be a huge mistake for those democrats to vote for him. where the democratic party is now, this is not an issue where the democratic party will be
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comp midsing. people there want to fight, including a lot of independents. >> can you keep joe manchin? >> you don't have to. you need 60, if we don't have joe, that's okay. >> do they go for the filibuster, or do they approve this, save it for a bigger nomination? >> i would absolutely not. if mitch mcconnell wants to, they can take away the filibuster at any time. that's his decision. but i would fight right now. >> on the issue of the filibuster, we heard from ted cruz earlier tonight on cnn talking about the nomination and the filibuster. >> sure. >> the democrats will not succeed in filibustering judge gorsuch. they may try, but they will not succeed. the senate will confirm a strong constitutionalist to replace justice scalia. >> with that in mind, does that
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mean that the republicans could scrap the filibuster on this? >> i don't think they'll have to. we heard from dick durbin who said he thinks this judge should get an up or down vote. we've seen people protesting in the streets, the women's marches, the airport marches. at a certain point, people want to watch the super bowl. people want to watch the oscars. they'll get tired of it. there will be other judges that might retire during donald trump's presidency. maybe ruth bader ginsburg, if they retire, that's when the democrats want to have the fight. >> i think you are absolutely -- the democratic party is ready to fight. this is not going to end. the protests aren't going to end. and even more, we're seeing people now working within the federal government, starting to pushback against trump. we're seeing korppingdss starting to push back against trump. >> you don't need the numbers, you need the votes. >> the democrats have decided to fight on a few of the cabinet
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nominations. they're holding up confirmations for tom price, health and human services, jeff sessions for attorney general ask this was the reaction from the senate republican leader mitch mcconnell. >> it is time to get over the fact that they lost the election. the president is entitled to have his cabinet appointments considered. none of this is gonna lead to a different outcome. >> and mcconnell is right, ultimately there will not be a different outcome. so why the theatrics? >> mitch mcconnell has a lot of nerve. they wouldn't allow merrick garland to even have a hearing. the day obama came in, they were going to do everything possible to make sure he didn't win again, no compromises. that was it. so now you think the democratic party should compromise with the republicans? absolutely not. also, these people haven't been properly vetted. we're finding out things about them, as we go long.
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tom price, for example, with his insider trading stock issue. that's a pretty big deal. so they're trying to rush these through. these people need a hearing. >> they're delaying the inevitable. and what they're going to do is demoralize their base. they're getting their hopes up, thinking we can stop some of these people. ultimately it's not going to happen and they're going to say, we're losing every battle that we fight. >> john is very concerned about the democratic party base. the democratic party wants to fight. we know that we're not going to win on some of these. and you're right. i see the messages, why aren't people voting for this? you're right, some of these things you can't stop. but the change in the corporate attitude toward trump already is because of people protesting in the street. >> on the issue of cabinet nominees, it appears 32 withere be an education secretary that's guilty of plagiarism. and there are republicans who
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are starting to waiver on betsy devos. >> but she got the votes in committee. when someone's lived a long, healthy life, you're going to find skeletons in every closet. >> you don't find skeletons in every closet. that's not true. and the reason we got this information is not because of the hearings, it's because of the work they do behind the scenes to research these nominees. and because the trump people are trying to push these through quickly, what are they hiding? i don't think a lot of the american people are going to have faith in this education secretary. >> at the end of the day, there is a process, it will happen. but for the democrats, at least, john, they need to show to the people who support them, that they are out there at least fighting. >> right. but they need to hold their coalition together. and the democratic party is a lot of things. it's nancy pelosi who represents a very liberal district in california, based in san francisco, and then you have people like joe manchin and heidi heitkamp and claire
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mccaskill and people that represent states like indiana, that voted for donald trump. you have to keep those people in the tent and their voters want all these people confirmed and they want that justice confirmed too. >> very quickly, the president decided to not rescind president obama's executive order, providing protection in the workplace for the lgbtq community. a good thing? >> a good thing, but that doesn't mean that will stay the policy of this administration. i think even for the trump administration, there's too much going on in these last few days. to do that, that would have created a whole new fire storm. >> not only a good thing, but an historic thing. in 2008, barack obama ran as the democratic nominee, opposing gay marriage. in 2004, george w. bush ran as the republican nominee on a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage. and now you have a republican president signing an order like that. >> remember that donald trump is only a republican out of convenience. five years ago he was a democrat. >> on that, thank you for coming in. >> thank you. now, britain's most
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prominent muslim politician says u.s. president donald trump's travel ban is cruel, prejudiced and counterproductive. sadiq khan is one of 1.7 million people in the uk who want mr. trump's visit to be canceled. he called the trump administration a threat to the european union. let's get more on this. nina, our viewers will know this. thousands have taken to the streets here in london, really, calling for an end to president trump's policies. and now we're hearing about this petition. what are the chances this petition can stop the president from coming here? >> well, it's better to answer that in the sense of the chances that it will be debated in the house of commons. we already know now a hundred percent because we have a date for that. this petition, i should point out, duelling petitions, one
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pro-trump's visit, and one anti-trump's visit, have both garnered signatures and they will be debated february 20th when lawmakers will talk about the two petitions. the one against donald trump coming here for a state visit is already well passed 1.6 million signatures. the one for donald trump is only at about 110,000. but still that's above the threshold over which it should be debated. and there's a lot of lawmakers across the uk saying treeresa m has put herself and also the queen, who does the inviting, it was just may who extended that invitation on behalf of the queen. both are in a difficult position, because they haven't had enough time to gauge what donald trump's policies are going to be before extending the pomp and regalia of a state visit, which by the way, is a rare honor that's only awarded that some u.s. presidents.
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many are invited. sometimes some of them are only invited in their second term and only manage to make it over for this type of visit. but donald trump had the red carpet rolled out. some people in the uk say the red carpet was rolled out prematurely. >> and she's faced some criticism here for not taking a hard enough chance against president trump and some of his views. we know we have prime minister's questions. what can we expect today? >> well, officially, the house is also talking about the second reading of the so-called brexit bill. another equally divisive issue as well here, if you add the divisive backlash that we see against donald trump's travel ban to the mix. it's likely to be a heated session. some mps set to vote against the prime minister. some from her own party. some scottish mps are likely to
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vote against the brexit plan and some rebellion in the labour party. but it's not been teresa may facing criticism, it's been her foreign secretary who's fronted that in the house. one labour mp stood up and said, have the guts, quote/ungoaquote when something is wrong, referring to that travel ban. we also have the most senior muslim politician here, sadiq khan, he held a big gathering of a hundred diplomats, ambassadors, including five ambassadors of the seven countries affected by this travel ban yesterday evening in london. and he urged all leaders around the world and those ambassadors to relay this message to their leaders, to stand up against a travel ban that he said was wrong. now, also, somebody else who knows donald trump personally is the former first minister of scotland, alex salmon.
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he's also a member of parliament in westminster and somebody donald trump had called mad alec, because donald trump's golf course is in his constituency and the two of them had a high profile battle over wind turbines. this is what alec salmon had to say about the travel ban and his dealings with the now president of the united states. >> you should never pick people out on the basis of their nationality. and that way, madness and very sinister things lie. i'm not even certain that's donald trump's intention. but certainly that would be the effect of this measure. and it's already caused misery and confusion, as well as protests around the world. it's just a very bad idea. it came about because the prime minister has produced such a position of weakness by saying she's going to come out of the european economic area, the single marketplace, that she's willing to try to get any trade deal on any terms as quickly as possible, and she produced a
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state visit. >> so we have this confluence of two big stories here in great britain. on the one hand, brexit, which means the uk will try to have to find as many big, important economic allies as it can. one of the reasons why theresa may is the first one to meet with donald trump after his inauguration. but at the same time, this is a country where 5% of the population is muslim, the second highest number of muslims across europe and that travel ban hasn't gone down well despite the fact, issa, that uk citizens with dual nationalities are going to be exempt from it. >> yeah, here as in the uk and the rest of europe, we know chancellor merkel and hollande spoke last week about internal and external threats, hinting at concerns over donald trump. nina, very good to see you, thank you very much. coming up to 17 minutes past 11:00 in los angeles. time for a quick break. when we come back, federal prosecutors speaking out in
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defense of sally yates, the acting attorney general who was fired by the u.s. president. plus, millions of people around the world are signing an online protest against president trump. the organizers say it's just the start of an ongoing campaign against the u.s. president. we'll have both of those stories for you after a very short break. tiki barber running a barber shop? yes!!! surprising. yes!!! what's not surprising? how much money david saved by switching to geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. who's next? about tempur-pedic mattresses... is that they contour to your body. you just have to lay back in my tempur-pedic, and it just kind of forms to my body. it comes up to you, like, hey, there you are... hey there you are. ...i'm going to put you to sleep now. it keeps us comfortable and asleep at night.
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well, the new u.s. president is facing record low approval ratings from american voters. his standing around the world could be even worse. the day after his inauguration, there were huge demonstrations from sydney to berlin, in london, paris, nairobi and cape town. this week in london, tens of thousands protested his travel ban against people from seven muslim countries from traveling to the united states. people have signed an open letter to the president -- the world rejects your fear, hate mongering rg and bigotry. we reject your denigration of women, muslims, mexicans and millions of others who --
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>> emma, the alert has been online for just a few days, did you expect this type of response? and is there one issue in particular which is driving all of this? >> this letter is going viral on the internet. i didn't expect it at all. i've been watching the names scroll up on the ticker tape from france, canada, england. it's kinda unbelievable. so i've been glued to my computer screen, and definitely the minute that travel ban was announced by the trump administration, we saw a huge surge in attention for this call. 1.5 million people and coming up on 2 million people just since this weekend. >> well, there is a criticism, though, that these online protests, it's just click-ativism, makes someone feels good, like they've done something, but it actually won't make much of a difference. >> there definitely is cliktivism out there. but here, this matches people's
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opinions with decisive and concrete action. this call, it's about building a movement, building our power. it's millions of people from all over the world standing up together, finding their common ground and saying, we're not going to go backwards to that old-style politics that divides us. we're choosing a different future. it's going to be matched with ads across the united states with an installation in washington, d.c. and as you're already seeing these incredible, spontaneous protests. >> so you're saying this is just the start of what you're expecting to be a long campaign over the next four years? >> a long campaign not just over the next four years, but we have elections coming up in the netherlands, in france, in germany, where the stapame questions that trump-style politics are going to be asked again and people will have a chance to reject it resoundingly. >> in a way, doesn't this play into donald trump's strengths, he's the leader, he's upset the status quo. if all these people are angry at
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me, i must be doing something right? >> you know, when you look at donald trump has done, it's true, he's delivering on his campaign promises, one after another after another. and it's a different kind of politics. it's a different style. and we would be silly not to pay attention to that. but what people around the world are reacting to is something bigger. it's the undermining of basic values, the rule of law, the respect for courts. it's the undermining of accurate facts. we saw this in the campaign where truth doesn't really matter. alternative facts become the norm. now this is going global. breitbart, that fake news site is expanding into germany and france. our movement is the reaction to that. >> if you can't influence donald trump because that would seem to be unlikely, do you think you could influence those around him? >> well, i'm not sure it's unlikely. we did hear rumors there was going to be an anti-lgbt executive order, we know that
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was advocated very heavily against, and he decided not to do it. so there definitely is influence. but i think that really what we're going to see here is a broad-based spontaneous coordinated movement of opposition that's going to present a new kind of politics, a new vision. something the democratic party didn't do, something that trump didn't do, and that's going to galvanize americans and shift the tide in the u.s. politics base. >> we will watch and wait with interest. emma, thank you for being with us, we appreciate it. >> thanks a lot for having me, john. a final note here, more than 1.7 million people have signed a petition, urging britain to refuse donald trump's state visit. while a counter. petition has received almost 200,000 signatures. many prosecutors are defending the former acting
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attorney general sally yates. trump fired her after she defied his order on immigration and travel to the united states. the bipartisan group released a strongly worded letter. i'll read it. struck by one stunning headline after another, we stop to think if we were called upon to defend an executive order, could we do it within the guidelines we learned and lived by in the united states? we could not. acting attorney general was right to refuse to do so. >> the u.s. army corps of engineers is granting controversial permission to finish the pipeline. the standing rock sioux tribe which has been fighting the trin, says it will take legal action, claiming the army corps does not have the authority to move the project forward while environmental study is still under way. >> now, the long simmering conflict in ukraine once again coming to a boil. both sides are blaming one another as hope for peace starts to fade.
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welcome back, everybody. it's just gone 11:30. i'm john vause. >> and i'm isa soares in london. the main news headlines we're following for you this hour, u.s. president donald trump has nominated neil gorsuch for the supreme court. now if confirmed, gorsuch would fill the vacancy left by the death of antonin scalia last february. the move could effect the direction of the court for decades. police have charged a 27-year-old university student in the shooting of a canadian mosque. bissonnette faces six counts of first-degree murder and five attempted murder charges. he's described as a lone wolf and is known for his far right views.
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monitors keeping track of the conflict in ukraine say things are getting worse. ceasefire violations are not uncommon, but officials warn the fighting between pro-russian rebels and ukrainian armed forces have been escalating lately. both sides are blaming one another for the violence. live to moscow now for more on the story. claire sebastian joins us. the u.n. security council has called for an immediate return to the ceasefire in ukraine. any response from russia? >> yeah, john, the russian foreign ministry put out a statement yesterday accusing the ukrainian side of using heavy artillery and weaponry banned under the minsk protocols in the conflict. the ukrainian side are saying the same about the pro-russian rebels, both sides blaming each other for the latest escalation, one thing both sides do agree on, the situation in these areas, these suburbs north of donetsk is growing increasing
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liar. the monitors saying more than 20,000 people are without food, water, or electricity, in dire need of aid. and we're hearing wide ved condemnation of this from over seas. the us state department issuing a statement, calling for an immediate ceasefire, saying they support the minsk protocols. that was the acting secretary of state. we do expect the new secretary of state, rex tillerson, to be confirmed later today. but as such, the situation grows increasingly desperate in that area north of donetsk. >> could the escalating fighting in ukraine complicate donald trump's desire for closer and better relations with vladimir putin? >> absolutely. the two men spoke for the first time on saturday. the ukraine crisis mentioned only very briefly in passing, according to the read-out that we got from the kremlin, simply saying they mentioned it. we don't know exactly what the new white house will think of the latest escalation that did coincide with that first contact
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between the two leaders. rex tillerson, the incoming, we expect, secretary of state, did say in his confirmation hearing, earlier this month, interestingly, that he believes the u.s. should have taken a stronger stance when it came to ukraine, even suggesting they should have given military support to the ukrainian forces, but we don't know what the next steps from the u.s. will be when it comes to this conflict. >> thank you for the update, claire sebastian live in moscow. thank you. now, settlers in the west bank have set roadblocks on fire, ahead of israel's plans to evacuate the illegal settlement which is built on private palestinian land. israel high court has ordered 40 families who live there to leave. israel has approved 3,000 new settlements in the west bank, drawing criticism from palestinians and the eu.
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most see the settlements as obstacles to a peace deal between israelis and palestinians. donald trump's immigration ban is triggering a flurry of lawsuits. when we come back, we'll have a rundown of all of the major challenges. >> but there is support for president trump's move. a muslim activist will explain why she thinks the ban is okay in certain cases. drink ensure. with 9 grams of protein and 26 vitamins and minerals. for the strength and energy to get back to doing... ...what you love. ensure. always be you.
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rarely has there been a time in american history of such national division and discord. and in the past few days of protest and litigation are any guide, the supreme court could have the final say on many of president trump's controversial policies. for more now on the implications of the president's nominee by
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the court, we're joined by cnn's legal analyst who's been covering the supreme court for almost 30 years. so, joan, assuming that neil gorsuch is confirmed by the senate, he will restore the ideological status quo to the court before the death of justice scalia. so in many ways, it's a wash. >> it is vote for vote. because you're exactly right. that he is a conservative in the mold of antonin scalia. he's been consistent on issues that conservatives -- that matter very much to conser conservatives. narrowing the breadth of government, reining in power of regulatory agencies and he's also an excellent writer as justice scalia was, but he's not as provocative. so even though it's one for one with the vote, you just cannot replace justice scalia. >> as far as judge gorsuch is concerned, he's very young for a supreme court judge, 49 years
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old. >> that's right. and antonin scalia was 50 when he was nominated in 1986 and served if a served for 30 years. the last time we had someone younger than 50 was in 1991 with clarence thomas, who was in his early 40s at the time. so neil gorsuch, who will likely be approved, just from what we've seen already and what we know of the senate math, where republicans hold the majority, he could serve for our generation and the next generation. >> when it comes, though, to supreme court justices, there are always some surprises. like when chief justice john roberts, a conservative, ruled in favor of obamacare. is the lesson here you don't know what you're going to get until you get it? >> that's right. and i have to say the conservative activists who are working with donald trump, have this mantra that i'm not sure all the viewers would understand. but the mantra is, no more david suitors. david suitors was appointed to the court in 1990, named by
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george h.w. bush, and people around george bush said, he'll be a home run for conservatives. david suitor ended up serving in a liberal vein until 2009 when he stepped down. so there is a warning in things, that you often don't get that you think you have. but in neil gorsuch, he has ruled enough as a federal judge, that i think we know what we have here. david suitor, i should mention, had only been a federal judge briefly. he had mainly been a state court judge. and if you listen to his testimony, he left a couple clues. i don't think we'll see those clues this time around with neil gorsuch. >> in terms of the supreme court, the game-changer will be president trump's second pick if he gets that chance. >> i think that's exactly right. and just so that you know, we've got justice anthony kennedy, who is age 80, and who's talked about possibly retiring.
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he might do that soon. then we have justice ruth bader ginsburg, liberal icon, who is going to turn 84 in march. if she were -- i'm sure she does not want to retire while donald trump is president. but if something should happen to her and force her to retire, it would be a big deal. and ditto with anthony kennedy, who even though he's in the conservative camp is a centrist conservative, who has single handedly stopped this supreme court from going -- rolling back abortion rights too significantly, or overturning campus affirmative action. those are two areas where he in recent years, cast the decisive vote. and as you probably remember, in 2015, anthony kennedy wrote the opinion and cast the fifth vote to declare constitutional right to same-sex marriage nationwide. >> okay, joan, thank you very much for your insight in the court.
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we are in for interesting days. i guess we'll see what happens. thank you for being with us. >> thank you. bye. -- immigration ban are being filed at a steady clip. so far, private companies, advocacy groups, various states heading to the courts. the states are challenging the ban's constitutionality. the council on american islamic relations filed suit, claiming the underlying motive of the order is to ban muslims from certainly majority countries from entering the u.s. joining us now to talk more about that, the ban, is the founder of the republican muslim coalition. thank you very much for joining us here on the show. let me get your reaction, first of all, to president trump's executive order, because i think it's fair to say that it has caused some confusion as well as despair for those coming into the u.s. what was your initial reaction?
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>> well, i think he had the right intention in terms of securing the borders and monitoring every single person who's coming in from countries who are state sponsors of terrorism. but at the same time, the way this executive order was implemented and executed caused a lot of problems across the united states at all major airports. and i wish that they had thought through how it was going to be implemented and excluding green card holders, dual citizens and people without visas. i think going forward, all future visas could have been scrutinized much further, rather than delaying the ones who already were here. >> so, explain to us how you would have liked to have seen this carried out. >> well, obviously, it should have been clarified with the office of legal counsel at the department of justice, and also so that there was a clear directive through the department
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of homeland security and department of justice. the way it played out was, it caused a lot of mess and a lot of people ended up getting deported or put back on flights who should have been allowed entry. and now, yesterday he talked about that green card holders can, in fact, come in, regardless of them being from those seven countries. and also dual nationals, who hold citizenship with iran and the united states. and should also be permitted to enter the united states. so i just -- >> so as you -- >> -- wish it was implemented better. >> as we talk, we're showing our viewers a map of the countries in the ban. if we can bring that up again. because you were talking about these countries could have terrorists coming from these countries. of course there's a huge amount -- there are other countries there that really have stronger links to terrorism. the majority refugees go through very rigorous vetting. i think a majority of people
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know, that could take years. what could a few hours at an airport, or 120 days achieve that years of vetting hasn't been able to achieve? >> why wasn't this done under the obama administration? with the trump demonstratiadmin they're going to be changing policies and monitoring it much more closely. there are threats coming out of iraq and syria and other areas where isis is trying to infiltrate ways of getting into the united states. so i think, you know, making america safer and having secure entry-exit system is only for the betterment of this country. and, you know, it's presidential leadership, president trump is not going to be weak on foreign policy or defense, unlike obama. and you can expect to see stronger actions coming from the white house in future. >> let me ask you this. all the seven countries we showed there, to which the ban applies are majority muslim.
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in your opinion, is this a muslim ban? >> well, obviously trump during his campaign had talked about a complete and total shutdown of muslims entering the united states. so people interpret it as a muslim ban, but obviously it's intended to be a travel ban on certain countries that were previously identified by the obama administration as countries where terrorism is on the rise and that have interests adverse to the united states. so i think monitoring them closely is the right way to go. but we just need to be cautious about, we don't offend a lot of our own citizens and permanent residents. >> briefly, is it discriminatory? >> no, i think it's in the interest of national security to secure our borders and make sure that people who are coming in from syria, iraq, and those areas, are scrutinized. and we make sure that none of
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them have anything to do with terrorism. and i think, you know, if it can help prevent any sort of future terrorists from entering the united states, it's only for the better. >> the founder of the raun muslim coalition, thank you for your time to speak with us. >> thank you. when we come back, the search for the next dr. who. peter ka holy said he's done with trim travel. we'll look at the likely contenders to take his place. have conquered highways, mountains, and racetracks. and now much of that same advanced technology is found in the audi a4. with one notable difference... ♪ the highly advanced audi a4, with available traffic jam assist. ♪
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the time has come again when dr. who has to regenerate. for those quho don't watch the iconic television show that means the lead actor has quit. actor peter capaldi the 12th doctor has announced he'll be leaving the sci-fi series at the end of the year so now the search is on for a new time lord. rumors are swirling over who will take on this role. for more on that i'm joined by film and entertainment journalist and managing editor of "editing" magazine dr. who tragic sandor mineti. put the book down -- >> very good. big fan. >> obviously. this is more than just your average lead role in a cheesy television sci-fi show because this role is iconic. >> i'll say. it's up there with james bond,
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sherlock holmes, one of the i n iconic roles in fiction. and for fans like me the choice of who gets to step into the tardus next. christmas day 2017 peter capaldi will regenerate into the 13th version of the doctor. who will it be? >> let's look at some of the contenders. the favorite apparently ben wishaw, the latest q from the james bond movies. >> good choice. >> rory kinnear, also a former bond star. >> who was linked with it last time when peter capalki got it. >> could be second time lucky. ben daniels from "rogue one." and then this is a bit of an odd one. rorygrint, formerly ron weasley -- >> "harry potter." no way. i think he's too closely fooitd identified with another role. i don't notice any women on that list. >> funny you should mention that because if you go online a lot of the fans would like to see a
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time lady. not a time lord. >> the doctor of course comes from the planet galafray in the constellation of casterbius but always has been played by a british man. but as recent episodes of dr. who have shown time lords can be any gender and they can switch as part of the regeneration because the villain, the master, became missy the mistress. maybe it's time for the doctor to have a sex change. >> is there anything which would rule out an actor from playing this part in your opinion? >> well, i think probably if there are -- i don't think benedict cumberbatch is going to do it because he's closely associated with sherlock. it's like i was saying before, if you're known for one part it's very difficult to jump something. they tend to go to up and coming stars. >> but an american for instance. >> absolutely no way. i don't care if it's a man or a woman so long as it's not an american. absolutely not. i am unanimous in that. >> okay. this series has been around for
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decades. and has a huge following. a lot of fans out there are pointing to one scene in particular from decades ago as being especially prescient. watch this. >> the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. they don't alter their views to fit the facts. they alter the facts to fit the views. which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering. >> ah. tom baker, one of the greats. this episode aired 40 years to the day. it was january 22nd, 1977. january 22nd, 2017 kellyanne conway, trump's senior adviser, coined the term "alternative facts." >> the time lord has always been ahead of his time. >> he obviously came forward with what she said and went back. >> funny you mention kellyanne conway because that episode was called "the face of evil."
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>> coincidence as well i'm sure. this is one of the things about the show, is that it is so much part of the fab rvg each generation. >> it really is. >> now when we look at the doctors that we've had, mark gatis, a british actor, screenwriter who worked on the show tweeted this out, profoundly sad that the wonderful peter capaldi leaving at the ent of the years but he is and will always be a great doctor. where does he stand in the universe? >> he's a great actor. everyone's favorite doctor is the one they grew up with. i remember you were saying that tom baker was your favorite because he was the one you saw first. >> sure. >> so for a generation of kids now they only know peter capaldi as the doctor. he would be their favorite. i grew one peter davis-upon my the p. particular favorite was david tenant. it's a debate among the fans and it will continue when number 13 comes in. >> exciting times ahead. >> i am available. >> god help us. you too to make the box. we've got all of the doctor whos -- >> i brought my collection. >> they're all in there.
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