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that's all the time we have. thanks for watching. time to hand over to don lemon for "cnn tonight." see you tomorrow. president trump's supreme court nominee breaking with the president. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. neil gorsuch telling senators he finds trump's attacks on the judiciary demoralizing and depressing. but president not letting up criticism of the judges who will
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decide his travel ban. >> i listened to a bunch of stuff last night on television that was disgraceful. >> and the president blasting nordstrom's for dropping his daughter's fashion line. can he really do that? we'll discuss that. bring jeff zeleny. i guess he can do that. he did it. his own supreme court pick is slamming his comments on the judiciary. what is going on? >> this is coming at end of extraordinary day long series of comments from the president that started out with harsh words this morning speaking to law enforcement officials. continued throughout the day and the president has been going after judges for a long time. been a hallmark of his life filing lawsuit after lawsuit. but as president it takes on such a different tone. his nominee for the supreme
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court, judge neil gorsuch, just eight days ago at white house being nominated he said he's disheartened by this and dispirited by the comments, echoing the feelings of federal judges everywhere. made the comments in a meeting with the democratic senators making his way through capitol hill. may be strategy at play as well. you can be sure when the confirmation hearings begin, will be asked about the comments. already putting distance between himself and president on those comments. >> and senate confirmed jeff sessions to be the next attorney general of the united states, capping off a bitter fight. how did it go down tonight? >> incredibly bitter and sworn in tomorrow at oval office at 10:30 in the morning. on the president's schedule. that's a sign how invested the
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president is on this. bitter hearing. for 24 hours or so, senator elizabeth warren as we know not allowed to continue to speak on this. kept her platform going all day long railing against session's record and against republicans and continued this evening after he was confirmed. sentding out a flurry of messages. look at couple. if jeff sessions turns a blind eye while donald trump violates the constitution or breaks the law, he'll hear from all of us. and you better believe every senator who voted for his hatred into the justice department will hear from us too. putting republicans on call as well. senator sessions was delivering a final speech. thanked everyone, even senators who didn't vote for him
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and said would do his best in the justice department but getting him off on a rocky start to his new position as attorney general. to say the least. bring in cnn's chief legal analysis, jeffrey toobin and laura coates, nia mallika henderson and alan dershowitz. jeffrey the supreme court nominee said the attacks on the judiciary is doe moralizing and disheartening. >> i think judge gorsuch was artful and true to his personality. it's restrained person. registered discontent in mild way and helped himself politically in separating himself from the president
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trying to prove he will be independent, not a rubber stamp. >> strategy? >> i think an element but also think it's sincere. a lot of judges are very upset by this kind of criticism. frankly i think president trump is entirely entitled to criticize judges. we have this idea they can't be criticized. they're not exempt but he's using infant ill, juvenile things calling them so-called judges. ridiculous. >> does it help your case if you have cases in front of them? >> i don't know that it's that, just not persuasive criticism. >> how do you think the president is reacting to judge gorsuch's comments. >> in some ways probably prepped on this. seen this before with nominees come before congress and had to separate themselves from this
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president on any number of issues like nato, russia and sanctions and torture. he's seen that and seems like taken it okay. i imagine as well he's probably been prepped for this by people around him. they obviously knew they were going to get this question, this question about judicial independence from the white house because of all of these issues that have come up around the case. i imagine he'll be okay with this. remember this is probably the one bright spot over the last three weeks for this president. you ask republicans, they think rollout was flawless and also like this candidate. i think he wants to make this work. i can't imagine even though this president has exhibited he can be thin-skinned when criticized, i think on this he's smart enough to know this is in some ways a strategy and this is what it's going to take to get nominee through the process.
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>> don't think he's going to go oh, no, i choose the other guy. >> that would be weird. we've seen odd things -- >> do you think it's strategy, get democrats on board and both know it? >> i do think it's strategy and also how he feels as well. again he was prepped for this. talked to folks around the prepping for him. he knew this question was going to come up. he had that answer. i think it will do him good politically with the democrats because the democrats saying that trump will need 60 votes to get this through. >> still no decision on the ninth circuit on the travel ban but president still bashing the hearings, i heard some things on television last night that -- i'll let him finish. >> i listened to a bunch of stuff last night on television that was disgraceful. i don't ever want to call a court biased so i won't call it biased. and we haven't had a decision
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yet. but courts seem to be so political and it would be so great for our justice system if they would be able to read a statement and do what's right. >> so you heard mr. toobin saying judges are not beyond reproach but is he underminding the judicial statement? >> i think he fails to understand their role. ninth circuit's role is to figure out whether or not to reinstate a ban that's suspended. wants government to tell why we need more vetting measures for this. not going to flip-flop book into chaos. we haven't reached merits of the case. then criticize if you don't believe right and valid. right now criticizing the
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process which undermines his credibility. >> jeff zeleny reported that lawyers at white house and justice department are cringing at his comments. will they have impact on the case. >> i don't think so, judges are usually above that. jeffrey toobin is right. we all criticize judges. we make living at law professors, i attacked viciously five justices who instituted stay in bush versus gore in my book, used strong language. justice scalia was upset at language but remained on cordial terms. what he should have been upset is his lawyer didn't do a good job. really didn't present the best case for the government. could have presented a much stronger case. started on the wrong foot
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getting to policy issues which invited court to start talking about whether the president really had the authority or whether the authority could be taken over by other people instead of getting to the standing and stronger issues that would help justify, i think, the trump approach. so he is legitimately angry but taking it out on the judges individually, calling them so-called judge is not going to enamor him to the judges or justice system but i don't really think in the end have a big impact. of course judges are political. best proof is what president trump did, appointed gorsuch instead of the person appointed before. that's a political decision to put somebody on the supreme court to reflect his politics closer than merrick garland would. >> all p politics.
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i respect my colleague here but -- you know it's coming when he uses low tones. >> i called justices hypocritical. said they failed to follow earlier precedents and voted politics in bush versus gore rather than the law. i was pretty darn tough. and i was actually indicted in italy about ten years ago -- >> where is this going? >> for attacking a judge who freed terrorist. >> verbally, not physically. >> sitting in cambridge interviewed by the newspaper. i said judge written a magna carta for terrorism, next thing i knew she charged me with criminal defamation, and presented myself in italy with hands like this, please have a trial, i want to defend myself. of course never did. in many countries can be
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arrested for criticizing judges. >> that's the story you tell over beer alan, thank you. interesting story. nia, this is the first run-in with the checks and balances system. how difficult will it be for a former real estate mogul, used to calling all the shots having to deal with this. >> i think it's new for him. think about the trump organization, pretty tiny organization, 22,000 employees or so compared to the federal government. head of this federal government with so much bureaucracy and agencies and relationships that he's trying to have with different countries. he has obviously presented himself as someone who can take those skills of businessman and transfer them to the white house. and we'll see. right? it's old -- you look at michael jordan. he thought, obviously good at basketball, didn't work out so well at baseball. i think in some of these early
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exchanges and engagements he's had in trying to be that tough negotiator, it's not clear the same skills will work to his benefit in the white house. >> even in the presentation of that question, we're presenting the president is naïve person, new, shouldn't he have known? if you're going to run for president of the united states, shouldn't you know you have to answer to the american people? no longer ceo of your own country but work for the american people and have to do things that go with that job? >> but i think the fascinating thing in the 20 days of the trump presidency, he is not changing. he's not going to start -- you know, spent entire campaign saying the pivot to the presidential demeanor is coming soon. >> never happened. >> never going to. >> keep tweeting. keep talking about it next four years. not going to change.
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>> absolutely. we'll see how it goes. >> many love it. think he's authentic. >> i think that's right. >> democracy will force him to change. now has two different checks on him. >> and doesn't realize in our country, we're only country in the world where the judiciary has as much power theoretically as the presidency. he's not used to that. doesn't understand that judges can constrain him from toing what he wants to do. >> you said democracy will force him? everybody with me, stay with me. up next president trump slams nordstrom's for dropping his daughter's retail line.
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president trump calling out nordstrom for stopping carrying ivanka's line. with me to discuss it, a panel. hello all of you. richard, first, president trump slammed nordstrom for discontinuing this line. tweeted my daughter ivanka treated unfairly by nordstrom, great person always, pushing me to do the right thing, terrible.
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is this an abuse of power from the president? >> yes it is. a company should not be subjected to this type of attack by the president of the united states simply because the company refused or decided to stop doing business with the president's daughter. he should be using his position as president for the good of the american people. >> can you stand by, can't hear what you're saying. take a break, get my ear ps fixed and be back. ded! get 4 lines of unlimited lte data for 40 bucks each. that's right - all unlimited. all in! and now, for a limited time save more than you pay in taxes on all smartphones. so switch to t-mobile and save hundreds vs. the other guys. it's better than a tax holiday! and it's only at t-mobile.
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all right. and we're back. gang is all here. do we have everybody? can you hear me now? you could hear me, i couldn't hear you. richard i'm going to reask the question. president slammed nordstroms for discontinuing her fashion line. my daughter ivanka has been treated so unfairly by nordstrom. abuse of power by the president? >> yes it is.
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this isn't right. president shouldn't use power of his office to attack a company for declining to do business with a member of president's family. he's there to serve the american people, not ouz his office for private gain and every situation that arises between nordstrom and any part of the administration will always be a question in any controversy if they're persona non grata in the white house and trump administration because it refused to do business with president trump's daughter or stopped doing business with her. this isn't right. company has right of every company in the united states to be treated fairly by the president and his administration. >> told by store it wasn't doing well, did what they needed to do to make a profit and do
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business. beyond that president's tweet retweeted by official potus account. generally reserved for government issues. how do you see this use of twitter in office? helping or hurting? >> his use of twitter in office basically the same when he wasn't in office. really no distinction i don't think in terms of his twitter account and potus. when he tweets he's tweeting as potus and using the office of the presidency. in this case in a way to criticize a private business. i think in some ways we can that trump still has great support among republicans, at 90%. in that way i think twitter doesn't necessarily hurt him with that constituency. it definitely hurts in the sense that it makes his people who have to go out and talk about
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these issues, sean spicer today had to go out and talk about this issue with nordstrom's, people on our air, jason chaffetz, you have to answer what the president is doing. it's donald trump's id at most emotional and unguarded. in many ways his followers like that, not sure it does much good in terms of governing, helping him stay on message. >> and people who follow him, they should know shouldn't be talking about donald trump and his business practices. clear conflict of interest. nordstrom's issued a statement defending the decision. made this decision based on the performance, over the past year and particularly the last half of 2016 sales declined to the point where it didn't make good business sense for us to continue with the line for now.
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again that's what most businesses do, if it doesn't make sense get rid of the product. white house says it was personal. press secretary sean spicer earlier today. >> i think less about family business and attack on his daughter. for someone to take out their concern on his policies on family member of his is not acceptable. president has every right as father to stand up for them. >> daughter is business woman, grown woman with a business. she's not 12 years old. >> this is business decision, once again sean spicer is misrepresenting what occurred. nordstrom's made the decision in january, ivanka trump, i believe knew about it. >> but the brand been declining since he ran for president. issues with people not wanting to buy it and not selling as well. that's again part of the
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process. if you run for public office could happen and should have thought about it. >> and this white house should be figuring out what messages they want. what they're having to deal with is donald trump, one, family doesn't have clear boundaries around conflicts of interest. mingling policy making with deal making. and secondarily they personalize everything and have sean spicer sp propagandizing today. >> shouldn't be talking about her businesses at all. >> supposedly moved from the businesses. said parted from the trump organization and private brands so shouldn't be operating them. >> and said her business not doing as well for a long time. you wanted to weigh in. >> there was a poll long before the election that showed that less than one in four women would purchase a ivanka trump product at that point, and well before a lot of the events
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unfolded since taken place. what we have to look at here, ivanka's business decisions to align herself with a man who questioned the nationality of country's first black president and instituted a muslim ban, seen a huge spike in interest and activity around the boycott since that happened. business decisions and brand level decisions and these are the repercussions. >> i have to tell people you started this hashtag, #grabyourwallet. it's boycott of trump businesses with many tweets. do you see this as win for your cause? >> absolutely. i think nordstrom was number one on the boycott list because of how beloved the brand was and how much consumers wanted to return to shopping nordstrom. had a vote to prioritize most
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boycottable brands and nordstrom number one because sincere desire to do business with them and since made this announcement, seen flood of love and desire to return to shopping. >> there's also the lawsuit over a report in a british paper, suit says the report hurt her chance to establish multimillion dollar business relationships during the years she would be quote one of the most photographed women in the world. what is your reaction to the first lady's case here? >> she has ever right to try to make money on her own but not off being first lady. and the complaint filed in new york state court specifically said that she was going to take advantage of this once in a lifetime opportunity during a multiyear term, we all know what that means, to make a lot of money. that means making money off
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being first lady. that is not right. and now retracted it and said it's not true. lawyers filed a complaint with the judge in new york that is false. complaint needs to be revised. this is the type of controversy we don't need. not a democrat or republican thing. i'm a free market republican but i don't think department stores should be bullied into selling merchandise for the president's daughter by the white house and i don't think the white house should be used -- position of first lady used to market merchandise. there's a free market. that's wonderful. and there's also a government. should be staying out of the business world and stop trying to steer money and business deals to the trump family or anybody else. >> and only about 20 years. thanks panel. appreciate it. sorry about the technical difficulty. zblfrm zblfrmgt. coming up is donald trump's
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today the president said that terrorism is a far bigger
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threat than any of us can understand. but given his track record of alternative facts can we trust he's telling us the truth about that? discuss with jennifer stein hour, a congressional report are 4 the "new york times" and -- they're the author of "a meatloaf in every oven." i found one on my chair today. >> meatloaf or book? >> the book was there. can't wait to read it. president donald trump says a lot of things that just aren't true. >> you've seen what happened in paris and nice. all over europe it's happening. it's gotten to a point where it's not even being reported and in many cases the very dishonest press doesn't want to report it.
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murder rate is highest it's been in 47 years. field looked like 1 1/2 million people. they showed a field of practically nobody standing there. said donald trump did not draw well. it was almost raining, rain should have scared them away but god looked down, not going to let it rain on your speech. >> that's just since election day. anyone looking for pivot that never came, how long can he keep saying things like this? >> forever. because he enjoys it. when you listen in sequence like that, you realize he's such a narcissist, has to convince himself of his greatness. all the circumstances have to be scaled. every crowd the biggest. terrorism way worse than you think and he has to protect you from it.
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all about creating circumstances to enlarge him. >> i guess a lot of people like that. enough to make him president. >> i think people voted for a lot of reasons. some look at this and laugh. but put everything under the umbrella of disruption, i'm different and going to disrupt, bought yourself freedom from lot of stuff. if you're different kind of cat, sometimes more -- shock to the system. gets away with a lot because falls under that rubric. >> but many times listen to the administration, cat will be standing there saying i'm an alternative dog. >> that's the amazing thing. many of these alternative facts can be resolved with a quick google. thing i find most disturbing and interesting are the small things like rain. we were there and know whether there was rain or not on inauguration day. it was on camera, suddenly there was rain and wasn't rain.
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small little things that environment policy based but there for the human eye to see. that's the part i find most strange. >> for people there at inauguration and saw the crowds and there for others, there was big difference. there was article you didn't write but fact checking the president's lies in slate today. said repeating a falsehood even as part of a meticulously researched article that debunks it actually reinforces the falsehood, the human brain seems to experience fact-checking as a statement followed by charlie brown sounds. do you think that's true? >> people are absorbing the truth they want, truth that reinforces what they thought was the truth. in terms of fact checks, not sure people are seeing them people in silos of getting information and not necessarily receiving those.
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>> what do we do? give up fact-checking the president and administration? >> i don't think so, don't give up civic responsibilities, our duties and what's inalienable. >> fact checks are great but read by people who doubted facts in the first place and in different delivery systems. donald trump convinced people who love him best, naysayer is working in a rigged system. tweeted something extraordinary other day. he tweets so many bizarre things that certain individual tweets that would be news for a month for someone else are lost in the mess and white noise. he tweeted any negative polls you see about immigration ban, don't believe them. his version of the truth. unflattering to me, it's untrue. if it is flattering, you can trust it. >> could be the reality he lives
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in? >> glimpse into his own mind yeah. >> speaking to law enforcement officers earlier today. >> a tremendous threat, far greater than people in our country understand. believe me. i've learned a lot in the last two weeks and terrorism is a far greater threat than the people of our country understand. >> so we probably should be listening to him about this but the question is, does he undermine his own credibility with all the other mistruths? >> this is the same man in the campaign said he knew more than the generals before getting briefings, skipping briefings in the transition, now all of a sudden because he's been well briefed he knows things he can't share hand so much more. his narrative changes all the time. you remember these things right? >> i do.
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but foundationally nefarious to say we don't know about terrorism to suggest that there's no reporting on it. media is hiding it from you. all sorts of acts that you don't know about until i learn about in security briefings. >> i've been lal uhallucinating years. >> that's one thing the media does cover. >> talking about this stuff but get to other stuff that's at least as important. new book, "a meatloaf in every oven" you call definitive guide to american classic. why meatloaf and why now? it's pretty darned american. >> has the foundations in the postwar cooking, important time in american cooking because it taught americans how to use what
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they have on hand and then went away, the joke, meatloaf. and it's rebounding in our view, dressing up meatloaf, different kinds of meat, things that aren't meat, poultry and fish to put new culinary spin on it. fundamentally american. >> and everybody has a personal favorite. book almost a journey of going to people and getting meatloaves. including the halls of congress. nancy pelosi, paul ryan, susan collins, chuck schumer. it's a bipartisan project. >> went from tortilla chips to tuna but no trump meatloaf. what happened is this. >> first of all finished before it was clear he would be president. turns out he had a meatloaf in some of his restaurants and has a favorite. it's like the man himself, blunt and up nuanced.
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throughout the 2016 election "saturday night live" has filled -- had a field day with the president and person running for president before he became president. comedy show is now taking on the rest of trump's team. discuss with kamau bell, host of cnn's "united shades of america". >> season two. >> i thought i got rid of you? >> couple of emmy nominations.
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i'm back baby. >> drama on the senate floor playing out with elizabeth warren. couldn't speak out. reading letter from coretta scott king. what do you think? >> i thought it was amazing that mitch mcconnell could insult two women in one spot. just as all the women packed up from the march. gave all the satire desire to ck all the old school blacks are making a comeback. frederick douglass. >> stephen coebert. >> who knows what is enough. having a green card used to be enough. saw with the executive order on
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immigration, that debacle, things not what they're supposed to be. held up translaters, afghans and iraqis who bled for a country they never visited and sacrificed family members for this country. this president done neither of those things so hard to swallow him telling people whether they should be a benefit to america or not. >> i think he's still on green card. correct me if wrong but what do you think of the words as comedian? >> let's be clear, when rich white guys, one of them british, stephen coebert and john oliver are worried about immigration, that's a problem. i think he's on green card but he's pretty safe and even these guys worried. as comedian, the lenny bruce getting arrested for what you say thing may be coming back. >> went way back.
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colbert has no trouble expressing what he thinks about the administration and for first time the show has been ahead of jimmy fallen with the election. what do you think this election has done to comedy? >> i have a lot of friends and wish they lived through the '60s, here's your chance. the '60s are back. we get to find out who is serious about this. in some sense people think it's best of times but it's actually worsts but everybody is funny now. everybody's mom is funnier because of trump. everybody on twitter, i'm just retweeting people. as comedian you write the jokes but they're coming fast. >> sitting with friend watching "snl" and he said that's exactly what you do on the show, just talk about the president and administration. all you have to do because it
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writes itself. >> talk louis black, he said get to be political just by reading trump tweets. fastest path to comedy is reading what the president tweeted. >> speaking of "snl." >> that's enough donald. can i have my desk back? >> i'll go sit at my desk. yeah. >> i'm not here to be your buddy. i'm here to swallow gum and take names. >> melissa mccarthy is national hero. her birthday should be a national holiday. amazing. >> people say coastal elites making fun of trump people or trump but bill clinton was my
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favorite. bill hammond? making fun of everybody. gerald ford, carter. >> some people just easier targets and because trump is not serious person, easier to make fun of. >> why can't he just laugh at it? >> so thin-skinned. wouldn't cover everything in gold if you had good self-esteem. if you're billionaire but need everything covered in gold, you have low elf esteem. that's why it's weird to be comedian, we know we can hurt the president's feelings. >> oh. >> makes me feel employed for the next years. >> tell me about cnn's "history of comedy" you're featured with other comedians. i watched it, brings me back to
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childhood. >> glad to be part of it. only comedian that cnn employs full-time. and stand-up is one of america's greatest art forms. started here. you think it's just going to be funny but hear how much comedy influenced culture and predicted the future. >> it's interesting. do you think stand-up comedy is on comeback. >> healthiest it's been since the '80s. >> on a long car ride i listen to comedians because everything is so serious and toxic, i need to laugh. >> students are coming out because they need to figure out how to process what is going on in the world. right now go to comedy to escape or clean it up and escape to you. >> how is berkeley these days?
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>> it's good. it's on fire. it's hot. >> rich white kids rioting. >> we send notes so they won't get arrested. too soon? >> oh, my god. i love you. all right. thank you. you didn't say you loved me back. did you see that? >> don't miss the premier -- where are you playing? >> rutgers tomorrow night. >> premier of "the history of comedy" including george karlyn's infamous routine about the seven words you can't say on television. >> do you remember the actual serch words? [ bleep ] [ bleep ] [ bleep ] [ bleep ] [ bleep ] [ bleep ] -- did i miss one? problem is i don't even think the words are dirty, so i don't remember what the [ bleep ] they are.
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supreme court nominee neil gorsuch saying attack on one judge is an attack on all of them. this is "cnn tonight," i'm don lemon. breaking with president trump calling attacks on members of the judiciary demoralizing and disheartening. and she's not backing down, why silences elizabeth warren on the senate floor is coming back. get to

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