tv State of the Union With Jake Tapper CNN February 12, 2017 9:00am-10:01am PST
and the fastest internet. [ girl screaming ] [ laughter ] . travel ban battle. is president trump's immigration order headed to the supreme court. >> i have no doubt we'll win. >> what is his next move in this political showdown! >> we'll be doing something rapidly seeing that sometime next week. >> chris christie joins us live for an exclusive interview. plus bombshell. the washington post says national security adviser mike flynn did talk with russia about revisiting sanctions while obama was still president. >> i don't know about it.
what report is that? >> the latest into trump's ties with the kremlin. and town halls gone wild. republican congressmen get an earful. over the future of obamacare. >> do you want to take away this coverage and have nothing to replace it with? >> will it have any effect at all? >> show us your plan. >> among those leading the resistance. he'll be here live. plus the political nines with another whirlwind week. >> hello i'm jake tapper. the state of our union is on dictator watch. kim jong-un appears to be testing new president trump launching a ballistic missile in defiance of a u.n. resolution. the launch came as president trump was hosting japanese prime
minister shinzo abe at mar-a-lago. abe called the act intolerable but president trump did not directly address it. giving instead this 14 second statement. >> i just want everybody to understand and fully know that the united states of america stands behind japan, its great ally, 100%. thank you. >> president trump moved on to domestic matters tweeting about the immigration and customs enforcement or ice raids saying the crackdown on illegal criminals is the keeping of my campaign promise, gang members and others being removed! ice said in one operation in los angeles, 164 nationals had been arrested, 37 were deported to mexico. not everyone swept up as a gang member or drug dealer or violent criminal. we asked to discuss these and other matters with us. they did not respond.
i'm joined by the republican governor of new jersey, governor chris christie. we appreciate it. >> pleasure to be here. good morning. >> i want to start by asking you about the ice raids because it seems untrue that all of those being reported are dangerous individuals. let's pause it that reporting dangerous people here illegally is a good thing but one of those deported was a woman who illegally used someone's social security number for employment at a water park. the mayor of phoenix said ice is spending its energy deporting a woman with two american children who has lived here more than two decades and poses a threat. what's your message about those who are not drug dealers, not committing any sort of violent crime, should they worry about being deported?
>> jake, this is the problem with the failure of the federal government over the course of the last 12 to 16 years in not dealing with trying to reform the immigration system and bring some sense of order to this. when that's the case, then the laws that are in effect right now have to be enforced. and that's what's happening right now. now, you know, i know that the president's focus and desires to make sure that first they get violent criminals out of the united states, people have been charged with violent acts. that's what it's attempting to do. from having run a government for seven years things always don't go perfectly and you'll have people who have violated the law but don't fit that one category. that will be the minority in all this and what people should focus on is what the president is trying to do which is to keep a campaign promise on making sure that violent criminals here illegally are taken out of the country in order to make america's streets safer. >> this is a big concern in the
garden state of new jersey, princeton officials are distributing information letting undocumented immigrants know how to avoid deportation. there's a debate about whether new brunswick come as sanctuary city. what is your opinion on people who are not violent criminals and have children who are american and now in fear? >> jake, first off, it should be surprising to no one that institutions like princeton university where by the way i'm a member of the board as governor of new jersey are going to take a progressive liberal position towards this and try to grandstand this during a time of political debate. our position has been the same. the federal government should be enforcing federal law and they have to make clear that federal law will be enforced. if that's the president's desire he should make sure that's done.
on the state level we're doing the things we have always done in new jersey to keep our streets safe. that's why our prison population is at an all time low and crime declined in new jersey this year. we're doing what we need to do to keep people safe and the federal government should be enforcing federal law. >> let's turn to russia. cnn has matched that washington post report that michael flynn privately discussed u.s. sanctions against russia with that country's ambassador right around the time president trump was imposing new sanctions and before president trump took office. there are two issues. one is the white house not telling the truth about this conversation and the conversation itself? let's take them one by one. if general flynn did tell the russian ambassador something like don't worry about the sanctions president trump is imposing would that trouble you? >> i don't think you can have any more than one president at a
time. you know general flynn has said up to this point that he had not said anything like that to the russian ambassador. i think now he's saying he doesn't remember whether he did or not. that's a conversation he's going to need to have with the president and vice president to clear that up so that the white house can make sure they're completely accurate about what's going on. i've always believed you have one president at a time and that's the way things should be done. >> you talked about this. because of general flynn's original adamant denial, although he is saying he can't recall, vice president pence, sean spicer have now said things to the public that are apparently not true. take a listen to vice president pence on january 15th. >> what i can confirm having spoken to him about it is that those conversations that happened to occur around the time that the united states took action to expel diplomats had
nothing whatsoever to do with those sanctions. >> if general flynn lied to the vice president, what should the consequences be? >> well that would be up to the vice president and the president. and so i'm sure there'll be conversations between the vice president, the president and general flynn to make sure that everybody gets the accurate story on this matter. that it's cleared up. i think that's the obligation of general flynn as national security adviser to have those type of conversations with the president and vice president and they'll act as they see fit given all the circumstances. >> let's turn to the fact that there are a lot of republicans concerned about the roll out of president trump's travel ban. you said he was ill staffed by this issue. after your term is over, if president trump were to say chris i need you to help run things, would you be willing to serve in the trump administration? >> jake, we're not going to get
into hypotheticals like that. my view is i've got a year to go. a little short of a year as governor of new jersey and then my intention is to go to the private sector and work to help support my family in a different way i've been able to over the last 16 years as u.s. attorney and as governor. donald trump has been my friend and mary pat's friend for the last 15 years. whenever he calls or i call him and we have conversations, i'm always willing to give my opinion on things but i have absolutely no intention nor any understanding that i'll be asked to be in the administration in the years to come. my view is i've got a job to do as governor and then go off to the private sector and support my family. >> there are reports that president trump because his wife and son are often in new york that he makes a lot of late night calls to friends. are you among them? have you talked to the president
recently? >> you know what, jake, i've always said this before he was elected president and it's more important since he's been elected. the conversations between me and the president of the united states to the extent they occur will always remain between me and the president of the united states. >> do you still talk to him as a vague concept? do you still talk to him? >> you know, i don't know what vague concept means, jake. to the extent those conversations occuoccur, they'l remain between me and the president. mary pat and i still consider him to be a very good friend of ours. we have for the last 15 years. both he and the first lady. that friendship i'm confident will continue during the time he's president and when he leaves the presidency. >> let's turn to health care. you took a lot of heat in national conservative circles as governor you expanded medicaid as part of obamacare. recently you said the nay sayers have been proven wrong and an additional half a million people
in new jersey now have health insurance who didn't before. have you asked president trump to keep the medicaid in place even as the congress and he vow to replace obamacare. >> i think repealing and replacing obamacare was something i was for when i was a candidate for president of the united states and one i'm still for now. how that will happen is going to be the part of what i hope will be a vigorous open conversation between the executive branch and the congress and the nation's governors. since the medicaid program is 50% funded over the course of the next number of months and i'm hopeful we'll be able to be a participant and i'll share with the president and the administration the experiences we have had in new jersey on the medicaid program for instance, five times the number of people are now getting drug abuse treatment. in new jersey through the medicaid program that got it
three years ago. that's a good thing for america's future and for our children and so i certainly will share those stories and then the president and congress will make an overall policy determination as to how they want to move forward. i am convinced the president and congress are committed to repealing and replacing obamacare and i support them. the nuances is something i hope the governors will get a chance to participate in. if we do, you can count on the fact i will participate. >> is it fair to characterize your position that you don't want those people who had the insurance to lose their insurance? >> jake, i want them to continue to be able to have coverage. there could be lots of different ways that could happen through a repeal and replacement of obamacare. and there are great minds inside the congress led by speaker ryan who are going to have ideas on how to do this. there'll be great minds in the administration like secretary price who has been a long time leader on this who have ideas to
do it and what the president will do is what he's always done. president trump is a deal maker. he knows how to bring people together and close deals. his greatest strength. along with the nation's governors and make sure we get something that will take care of the people of the united states. he has always said he does not want a system where people are without health care. he said that from the beginning. i take him at his word and we're going to work together to make sure it happens whether it's through medicaid or another vehicle is something we'll see as time goes forward and the ideas get fully flushed out. >> thanks for joining us today. we appreciate it. >> always great to be with you, jake. thanks for having me. >> what's being said about the president behind closed doors? it might surprise you. stay with us. across new york state, from long island to buffalo, from rochester to the hudson valley, from albany to utica,
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colleagues are telling him about president trump. >> some will say that he's not right mentally. [ laughter ] >> and then some are harsher. >> that was senator franken on real time with bill maher and he's here right now. thanks for joining us. >> i'm with jake tapper. >> that was comedy but is it true that republican colleagues of yours express concern about president trump's mental health? >> a few. >> really? >> yeah. it's not the majority of them. it's a few. >> in what way? >> in the way we all have this suspicion that he's not -- he lies a lot. he says things that aren't true. that's the same as lying i guess. he, you know, 3 to 5 million people voted illegally. there's a new one about people going in from massachusetts --
>> thousands and thousands on a bus. >> yeah. you know, that is not the norm for a president of the united states or actually for a human being. >> let's turn to michael flynn. there were reports that he spoke to the russian ambassador about the obama sanctions against russia before president trump took office suggesting hold on, we'll revisit them after we takeoffs. pelosi tweeted last night general flynn should be suspended and have his intelligence clearance revoked. do you agree? what do you think the consequences should be? >> well, you know, i mean, either if he was lying about having not discussed that or he forgot. >> your smile says you don't believe he forgot. >> i don't think you want a guy who would forget that. your national security adviser would forget he was talking about lifting the sanctions with
a russian ambassador. i don't think you want a guy in either of those scenarios to be in that position. >> but it's not a senate confirmable position. what do you think should happen? >> look, there's going to have to be investigations and independent investigation into the trump campaign and the trump administration's relationship to russia. russia interfered in this campai campaign. we know that. although trump denied it for a long time. we have not seen the president's income tax, his son said a few years ago that an inordinate amount of money was coming from russia investing in them. the president said he couldn't release because of audit. you can release your income tax under audit and he hasn't
provided any proof he was under audit. there is a lot that we need to look at and we need to have an independent investigation on it. >> what do you mean? independent counsel? >> i think independent counsel would be terrific but i know that lindsey graham and judiciary are doing hearings and an investigation. i trust those guys. there's something going on in intelligence that is so o'page. we need an investigation because we don't know what he owes russia. we don't know how many russians have invested in his business. we don't -- you know, he has sided up to putin in so many ways. what he's doing in syria is
great. he didn't annex crimea, going after nato. there's something -- he's got a bit of a putin crush and there's -- i want to know how much is tied to financial strings. >> let's turn to the travel ban. isis recruitment efforts have targeted the somali community in your home state. if we know isis is targeting the immigrant population in the twin cities, does it make sense to put in some kind of new and more thorough vetting system even if you don't agree with the travel ban? >> well, the people that isis has targeted and those people in the somali community in minnesota, they have in the few cases gone back to somalia to fight and they have gone to syria to fight with isis. that's just a couple handfuls.
this is not what it appears to be in that there -- i just got a 4-year-old girl and this is what we're talking about, who was supposed to come in on january 31st to join her family. and her mom and two older sisters. >> from somalia? >> from uganda. i called general kelly. he helped do that. i'm very grateful for him doing that. that's who is being hurt here. now this 4-year-old had been vetted for five years. and she was -- >> how could she be vetted for five years if she's 4? >> that was a joke. i'm saying a 4-year-old is not -- >> i got it. i got it. >> yeah. i agree with senator mccain and senator graham that actually this kind of ban is -- makes us
less safe because it gives a recruiting tool to isis and to other jihadists says that america is anti-muslim. the syrian refugees, they are fleeing terror. you know, terror is the whole point of terrorists making you afraid. i think that trump and his group are trying to make americans more afraid. i think that's part of how they got elected. just make us more afraid. >> you're accusing the president of terrorism by scaring people? >> just because the purpose of terrorism is to make you afraid and the president has tried to make people afraid doesn't mean he's involved with -- >> right. i wanted the language defined. i want to turn to senator elizabeth warren. let me show you what president trump said about her. he was meeting privately with ten senators at the white house and told the democrats in the
room. poke hahn as the is now the face of your party. that's the reference to the controversy of american heritage. what's your response? >> i heard this from a couple of my colleagues who were there and i would have said something. i mean, i'm not -- >> what would you have said? >> mr. president with all due respect, that's racist, please stop doing that. mundane affairs. this is completely unacceptable. you really should stop doing this. it doesn't serve anybody. something like that. >> i want to ask you a question about betsy devos who you voted against her. she was physically blocked by protesters, i think they were d.c. teachers from entering a public school in washington, d.c. on friday.
so i know you opposed her and you don't think that she is going to be a good secretary of education but shouldn't she have the right to walk into a d.c. public school? shouldn't that be something we embrace? >> yes, yes. and it would have been her first time ever in a public school. >> is that true? >> no. i don't know. >> last question. >> no. she should be able to go into -- she should be able to do her job. they should not prevent her from doing her job that way. i thought she was the least qualified nominee i've ever seen. the hearing was embarrassing. >> with all this buzz i want to ask -- >> but she's the secretary now. i'm eager to work with her. >> with all the buzz about the possibility of you running for president and there is a buzz out there. >> yes. >> i wanted to ask you a personal question. >> yes. >> is there ever a time where you hear this buzz at home and look in the mirror and say to yourself i'm good enough, i'm
smart enough and people like me? maybe i should be president? >> no. that's never happened. that has never happened. but i appreciate the shoutout to my character which is extremely popular character on "saturday night live." >> good to see you. have a good sunday. coming up will president trump take the fight all the way to the supreme court? our panel joins us next. (vo) when i brought jake home, i wanted him to eat healthy. so i feed jake purina cat chow naturals indoor, a nutritious formula with no artificial flavors. made specifically for indoor cats. purina cat chow. nutrition to build better lives.
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circuit court's ruling against his travel ban thursday. the trump administration says all options are on the table including another executive order. let's talk with our panel. president and ceo for the center for american progress, alice stewart and andre carson, democrat of indiana. thanks for being here. you're one of two muslims serving in the u.s. congress d accused the president of demagoguery on this issue. is there any form of tighting vetting? >> it takes 18 to 20 months right now. i think mr. trump has shown his hand and trying to put lipstick on a pig and this is d discriminatory against muslims. >> how? >> none of the countries that were involved in 9/11 were even listed, we're talking egypt and saudi arabia but this is hurrying our partnerships
internationally. we rely on these countries for intelligence, for the investments that have been made by those folks who come to this country, start businesses and putting americans back to work. >> jake, in terms of this being a muslim ban, if it was a ban specifically targeted at muslims they would have gone after every muslim majority country however they're only focused on seven. that is critical to remember. with regard to 9/11 a senate committee came out last year and said that since 9/1160 people from the seven countries have committed acts of terrorism in the united states not to mention ones they have carried out in europe. that is a serious concern. >> in the u.s. and europe? >> yes. >> america is not europe. this is a precursor to discriminate against muslims worldwide. he's using the language of religion to enforce his policies and it will not work as evidence by the protests we have seen. >> are i think the issue is the court adjudicated this and said
you can take into account the president's words in the campaign to look at what happened here. he called it a muslim ban. he called it a muslim ban multiple times. it's not my words, it's his words. and then the court looked at this. we had republican and democratic judges who were nominated by republicans and democrats. so far yunnunanimously say thats is beyond his purview. if he -- no one is arguing, at least i'm not arguing there could be additional vetting but the reality is this was sloppily put together and they are actually in a way to get to muslim ban and that's why the court found as it did. >> yeah. this is radically overbroad of an injunction by the ninth circuit. outrageous. it gives constitutional rights to just to pick one of the countries to sa mallians who have never had a visa. 99.99% of the people covered by
this order have no constitutional rights, have no claims to anything and yet this court beyond even what the washington attorney general asked for gave an injunction against all of that. it is outrageous. >> if you were advising president trump would you say take this to the supreme court, you can win? >> no. as i've said earlier this week, rewrite this order, you have now got the set of complaints from the court basically, write a separate order for each category and the 99.99% of people i just talked about will never ever have that order heard in court. because there's no one to sue on it. then we can debate the rest of it, the lawful permanent residence, break it down however you like and many of them have different levels of due process rights and then write each order for each category. >> i think what you're seeing in this whole episode here is that we have a president who didn't go through the normal processes, didn't really consult with the
justice department, didn't consult with dhs, slap together essentially an executive order to do his campaign from. and it is being challenged in the courts and he's losing because he's done such a poor job. i think the challenge here -- you have just said it, he should rewrite it. he could have written it better from the beginning. >> isn't it amazing what we're fighting over is how fast a politician is keeping their promise? >> he's not keeping his promise. >> the rollout was shotly done. the fact that the three judge panel didn't at all reference the statute that is the foundation of this executive order, 1182 which gives the president is authority to suspend entry of aliens into this country he deems detrimental to this country speaks volumes that this is a
political ruling by the court. i agree with ken. we need to rewrite it in a more strict order but i think with regard to the appeal to the supreme court, we need to slow roll the appeal and fast traction the nomination of gorsuch. >> i want to show this tweet by donald trump. just cannot believe a judge would put our country in such peril. if something happens blame him in court system. people pouring in, bad! harvard law professor called this not just preemptive scapegoating but attack on the road and rule of law. >> i agree. i mean, i think that mr. trump's impulsivity concerns me, the fact he's publicly battling with judges via twitter says that he is unfit to be commander in chief and it speaks to his deeper need for validation. he hasn't demonstrated the same kind of policy depth as
president obama or president clinton. who is he listening to? >> did you criticize president obama when he bullied the supreme court over citizens unit united or in may of 2012 when he attempted to intimidate the supreme court over obamacare. i don't remember this sort of mashing of teeth on the left. >> president obama was the -- >> he's a textbook bully. >> president obama did it in person. >> no. >> go ahead. >> can i just say this is a huge difference. there is a difference between saying you know what, i disagree with the rulings of the court and to talk about the ruling itself, not to -- what donald trump did was say these judges, the judges so called judges, he's attacked the judiciaries at large. if president obama had gone to the well of the congress and said these judges have no right to make a decision about citizens united that would be
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[ booing ] >> don't you like pence? vice president mike pence's name booed in utah held by republican congressman. democrats around the country have organized their opposition to obamacare repeal as well as other trump policies. accusing the protesters of being paid and shipped in from out of state. we're waiting for that evidence. ken, i wanted to give you the last word on this court issue. >> i'm an idealist order. i don't think any executive should brow-beat judges but it has gone on all the way back to a time that saved nine and unfortunately even with president obama we saw that it worked. when you have a practicalist type president like president trump you're going to see more because he thinks it could work. >> let's turn to the town halls. alice, i've heard people saying this reminds them of the tea
party protests that we saw in 2009/2010 down to the fact they're saying it's a bunch of billionaires shipping these people in. >> i don't see it that way. frank rooney says the outrage of the democrats is consistent with the outrageousness of president trump. yelling is one thing but without a consistent message it's for not. you have to remember the tea party had a good message, doing away with the tremendous debt, government spending and pushback on obamacare and they stuck with that message. today i don't really see with the town halls a consistent message. i think if they can do that it will be helpful. at this point it's a lot of people getting together and being vocal. >> i couldn't disagree more. i think the town halls are focused on the aca. >> the affordable care act. >> you're seeing people rise up who has benefitted from the affordable care act and tell
their stories not only in utah but in georgia, in florida, in deep red districts which were plus 24 republican districts. i think the message of these town halls is that people are scared of what donald trump is going to do to them. they don't want the repeal of the afoofordable care act and t government overreaching. you're seeing incredible action and it's gaining every week. there have been protests in places like south bend, indiana, places in the middle of the country. >> you don't buy it? >> this is amazing. i'm going to mark this day on my calender. government overreach. this is a problem now. >> yeah. muslim ban. >> that is not a muslim ban. this is a president who is enforcing the law and we can debate how he went about doing that but with president obama it was completely rewriting the law. >> you said he has to rewrite it. you were critical of it
yourself. >> and he's going to win in court when they do that. they're going to be set up to win. >> have you seen any protests at any town halls? >> i watched and lived through the protests in 2010. i think we're seeing a pushback against these european stylist measures, proposals to cut social security. republicans are making it harder for americans to purchase a home and talking about repealing the affordable care act causes anxious. >> i was reminded on twitter these protests were a foreshadowing of republicans taking the congress in 2010 but did not stop the affordable care act from passing. >> it didn't hurt president obama had both the house and the senate, too. it helped republicans gain seats in 2010 and it started a ground swell which led to more houses
at the state level, local and state level and here in congress which has led us to where we are today having the house and senate. that's key. and one of the focuses of the tea party movement was to get people involved on the local level and have good representation at the state level and in congress. >> you think it's the same today as it was seven years ago? >> we're seeing more people run, people are getting excited about running at the state progressives are looking at city council races. state and local races as well as congress. we're seeing a ground swell. she makes an excellent point. that's what we're seeing. even earlier. it's true the affordable care act passed. we have 60 votes in the senate. they don't. the problem for the affordable care act is even chris christie cannot tell you what the replacement is. that is the challenge for them and these people are simply asking this, do not repeal the affordable care act without telling us how i'm going to be
better off and these members of congress are getting booed because they cannot answer that. >> when you see this ground swell it does seem to be a lot of energy with the left right now whether you think that he has a role in it or not. >> look, donald trump has a special talent for inspiring the anger of his opponents to a degree i can't name anybody else. and that is not long term strategically helpful for him. or for republicans either because anger whether we like it or not and i don't like it is the most motivating single form of reaction. hope is nice. there's two ways to motivate. hope and fear. i prefer hope, but fear brings in politics as much as we cry about it because it works. >> great panel. thanks for being here. coming up next, what does sean spicer and beyonce have in
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perhaps president trump was channeling adele's "hello" when he called vladimir putin. ♪ hello, it's me >> perhaps sean spicer was thinking about beyonce's hit "formation." ♪ let's get in formation >> when he criticized state department officials over the travel ban. >> they need to get with the program or go. >> rihanna's song "work" might have been motivation for kellyanne conway comments about her many, many media appearances. >> i have spoken millions of words on tv. i've been on cnn over 1,000 times in my career i'm sure. >> and white house senior strategist steve bannon is channeling demi lovato? just think of our current white house drama using those beautiful songs and maybe it will be easier to listen to.
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together, we're building a better california. this is gps. the global public score. welcome to you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria. we'll start with a tough week for president trump's foreign policy. the travel ban stuck in court. russia, new complications there. that outreach to taiwan reversed. what is going on? i have a great panel to discuss. then, is that ban legal? is it constitutional? we have two great legal minds to explain. but