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troe peen, he might have been able to survival? >> it depends on the level of the dose and how quickly they could have gotten to him. but nobody could have predicted that this was about to happen. >> barbara starr at the pentagon. that's it for me, thanks for watching. erin burnett out front starts next. mplsz the white house pushing back tonight after cnn's exclusive reporting about conversations with the fbi and the white house. well tonight, a source says the president himself is frustrated. and democrats are asking, did the white house break the law? and also president trump promised to protect coal try, but now plants are now set to close. is the president to blame? and now some republicans are invoking gabby giffords's name
as a reason not attend town hall meetings. out front tonight, the white house pushing back against cnn's exclusive reporting that white house chief of staff reince priebus -- this as a source close to the president tells cnn there is consternation tonight in the white house over this story, saying, quote, this is the type of distraction the president does not need right now. on capitol hill, democratic leader nancy pelosi releasing a blistering statement saying priebus has committed an outrageous breach of the fbi's independence. pamela, is the white house pushing back? >> reporter: well, poppy, today the white house isn't denying cnn's exclusive reporting that it requested the fbi to speak
out kbeps a report about trump's associates and their contacts with russians, but it pushed back against any pressure put on the fbi to do so. this as we learn more about what fbi director james comey told senators on capitol hill about an active investigation among trump's associates and russia. today the white house is saying it did nothing wrong, after cnn's exclusive report that the fbi refused the white house's request to knock down media reports about contacts between donald trump associates and russians during the campaign. a senior administration official says the unusual white house request came only after the fbi approached white house chief of staff reince priebus, to say a story in the "new york times" was not true. the white house explained its actions by saying the conversations happened on february 15, after a 7:30 p.m.
meeting with reince priebus. and calls the "new york times" report, quote, total b.s. priebus, the white house said asked mckaib, quote, can we do anything about it? white house officials say both mccabe de -- to say there's nothing to the story. >> i have talked to the top levels of the intelligence community and they have assured me that that "new york times" story was grossly overstated and inaccurate and totally wrong. >> reporter: the back and forth between the white house and the fbi raises questions about whether either side violated long standing justice department procedures. >> it's very important that you limit contacts between the white house and the department of justice for two reasons, one, you don't want actual pressure
placed on the department of justice in connection with the investigation or prosecution. and two, you don't even want the appearance of political influence with respect to investigation or prosecution. >> reporter: according to these d.o.j. memos, communication should only happen if it is important for the performance of the president's duties and appropriate from a law enforcement perspective. and the memos preclude fbi officials and white house officials from talking about pending investigations. >> the contact on the department of justice side comes from the attorney general or the deputy attorney general, it would be unusual for the fbi director or the deputy director to have conversations with white house officials without the presence of the attorney general or the deputy attorney general, because they report up to the attorney general. >> reporter: with the unusual communication now under scrutiny, president trump railed against the leaks that have plagued his administration, writing on twitter, the fbi is
totally unable to stop the national security leakers, classified information is being given to media that could have a devastating effect on the u.s. and he accused the press of fabricating stories. >> i'm against the press who make up stories and make up sources, they should been allowed to use sources unless they use somebody's name. >> reporter: the white house denied talking about the fbi investigation saying the discussion only centered on the reports and a u.s. official says that the deputy director of the fbi andy mccabe did not talk specifics about the case. >> let's go to sarah murray, she's at the white house, what are your sources telling you tonight about this story? >> reporter: we have been told that this is causing a little bit of heartburn within the white house tonight, these conversations between white house chief of staff reince priebus and sources over at the fbi. and i have been told by sources
close to the president that that is not the distraction he needs right now, he wants to focus on the top line it tells of his ageneral da. and he's frustrated that the conversation is being centered arrange his staff. >> they barred cnn and the "new york times" from a press gaggle at the white house. you were there when this happened, it was stunning, what can tell you us? >> reporter: well, obviously you knew that the white house wasn't very pleased with cnn this morning. but they held a gaggle with white house press secretary sean spicer, they cherry picked the news outlets that they wanted to alou into this meeting, while they aloued ever other tv thr t network, they didn't allow the "new york times," they didn't aplow politico, that's what made
this bizarre, is to see the white house picking and choosing their media outlets. and i contacted the white house today and asked why they went one by one and choose outlet by outlet. >> sarah murray, thank you very much for the reporting at the white house tonight. evan price is was, mike prescott and our legal analyst paul callan. given what sarah's saying about the frustration that's palpable within the white house, that goes all the way up to the president. this is not a story that's going to go away any time soon. >> the irony is by what they have been doing, which is to try to say that "the new york times" story is false or that there was nothing to it, they have actually drawn more attention to it, including by trying to pressure the fbi, you know, to try to go out there and knock down the stories. one of the reasons why the fbi did not do that is because even though perhaps there was some parts of the "new york times"
story that were not completely accurate, the essence of it is true, which is that there were contacts with associates of the donald trump campaign, and people in russia, people in the u.s. intelligence community. and this is a very serious issue, because this was happening at a time when the russians were trying to interfear with the u.s. elections. that's the essence of what the noshlg times has reported, what cnn has reported and what other media outlets have reported. th >> not to mention the investigation is still going on, and the president, instead of assessing and talking about the substance of the reporting attacks, the leakers and the media. to the media, the reaction to the white house of this story, barring cnn and the remaining outlets in this gaggle. this happened just after cpac, doubling down on fake news,
sayisay saying they are the enemy of the u.s. people. >> we see cnn getting punished by evan's report on this meeting regarding the fbi talking about, you know, with mr. priebus, regarding the investigation, and what have you, we can also look at it as a very savvy media operation in some ways, certainly donald trump is, because he knows the media will chase this shiny object. we have seen since day one of the campaign, is that he has taken to twitter and he had put out statements that would force the narrative to change, from what the narrative is of that day. of course when you upset an entire press corps, from excluding some of their clearings from attending, basically a basic briefing, that does help tend to take your eyes off the ball, it could have been done intentionally, no question.
>> back to the meat of this, the substance of this reporting, what do we know about the fbi deputy director andrew mccabe's part in this they're pointing to him for his argument. co-they have a leg to stand on? >> they're trying to throw him under the bus, saying he initiated the contact. and they know that the fbi is not going to be able to respond to this. we're told there's a different version to this story that certainly andrew mccabe was told, that he first reached out to reince priebus to try to have this conversation, either way, it was inappropriate for the white house to have repeated contact with the fbi. let's not forget, it didn't stop there, they started contacting other agencies that are looking at this and investigating this russia matter, and trying to get them to knock down the story, there was a lot of energy placed on trying to knock down a story, when this is still, as you
mentioned, an act tifr investigation, andy mccabe is the deputy director, this is something he can't really defend himself against because this is ongoing. >> this is what nancy pelosi said in a same today, the trump white house has been caught undermining an fisher investigati fbi investigation. >> remember the president is the person who's in charge of the department of justice, and the fbi, he's actually the boss of these agencies, and this rigid protocol about the strictness about criminal investigations arose out of the watergate scandal, when believe it or not, richard nixon got the acting director of the fbi to destroy evidence in the case. and so, these protocols, limiting contact with the
president, to specific situations evolved. but criminality is a different thing, remember, these regulations are internal regulations, he would have to prove that there's an attempt to obstruct justice, and that an order was communicated to the fbi, with the intent of curbing an investigation that might lead to the white house. now that's a very serious allegation and i don't see that based on what we know so far. so we have to know exactly what was said, and the context in which it was said before we can make a judgment as to whether it's a criminal act. >> it's certainly raising more than just year brows. >> at best, it's a rookie political move for people operating at this level. >> paul callan, nice to have you, to you all, mark, evan, have a nice weekend. and up next, a toxic nerve agent that can kill within minutes took out the north korean big brother. also we take you to the
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. tonight president trump -- the crowd they will get jobs, a wall and better health care. >> now you finally have a president, finally, it took you a long time. it took you a long time. >> reporter: president trump taking a victory lap today before a roaring crowd of conservative activists. >> the forgotten men and women of america will be forgotten no longer. that is the heart of this new
movement and the future of the republican party. >> reporter: it's mr. trump's republican party now. his realinement of the gop already under way. hailed as a hero today at the conservative political action conference, outlining his america first agenda that goes against the grain of recent republican orthodoxy. >> there's no such thing as a global anthem, a global currency or a global flag. this is the united states of america that i'm representing. >> welcome to cpac 2016. >> reporter: at the same gathering last year just you of washington, many republicans recoiled at the idea of a trump presidency, he cancelled and then went on to win. it was here six years ago when mr. trump's goal to win the white house was born.
>> i will tell you that the reason i'm thinking about is it that the united states has become a whipping post for the rest of the world. >> reporter: but now after five weeks in office, the president is forced to make choices and how he will pay for them. >> we are also putting in a request for our beloved military. >> reporter: carol moreno is an early trump supporter in north carolina, who for now is giving the president the benefit of the doubt, that his agenda won't break the bank. >> i'm not really concerned that he'll blow the deficit. i'm really not. i think he'll find a way to shrink the waste and use that someplace else. >> reporter: the president rallying supporters to help him fulfill campaign promises, including dismantling obama
care. even. >> they're largely, many of them are the side that lost, you know, they lost the election. it's like how many elections do we have to have? the bottom line, we're changing it. wire going to make it much better. >> reporter: the question is how are they going to make it better. poppy, lawmakers will come back to washington next week with the sounds of those protests still reverberating in their ears, and when the president makes an address to the congress wednesday evening, he will talk about health care, but the republicans in the white house still have not decided which will go first in presenting their plan, the house republican plan does not insure as many people. the nation's governors also in town here in washington this weekend will be talking with the president as well. the rallying cry for reblase and repeal suddenly becomes much harder when you control the government. out front now, republican
strategist doug hind, and conservative radio host ben ferguson, nice to have you here, gentlemen, we have a lot to get to. this is republican congressman mo brooks talking about obama care and those angry voters who have been packing republican town halls, let's roll it. >> what? >> these folks who support obamacare are very active, they're putting pressure on the congressmen. >> i don't know if we're going to be able to repeal and replace obamacare because our constituents are coming forward and yelling at us. >> let's be clear, i think there's a lot of people in congress that are not fighters
like donald trump is, and also are weak republicans, they're not leaders, that's why you have people like john boehner who are no longer in office, because they didn't know how to fight for things. this president's been in office for 30 days and there's already people that are trying to undermine him in the republican congress. >> he staaid repeal and replacen day one. look at the polling numbers, this is why it may be a little bit difficult to repeal and replace, because the most americans ever are in favor of obamacare, 54 people approve, versus 43% who don't. and those who disapprove of it, only 17% want it completely gone. could that be it, doug? >> that's part of it. members are hearing from voters as they're going to town halls, but ben used the word fight and
fighters, and that's really what splits the republicans now as they work for donald trump. when i worked for eric cantor in the house, every day, we met with members, committee chairs, and staff on a daily basis to put together a replacement bill. the more we heart people talking about fighting, republicans were the ones responsible for this in 2013, people wanted to fight, but didn't necessarily have a plan for how to win that fight. and that's what's important, is winning. >> ben, hold what i know is a great thought. and let's listen to house speaker john boehner on exactly doug's point. >> i shouldn't call it repeal and replace, because that's not what's going to happen, they're basically going to fix the flaws and put a more conservative box around it. if you pass and repeat without replace, because their will never, every agree on what the
bill should be. in the 35 years i served in congress, republicans never, ever, one time agreed on what a health care proposal should look like, not once. >> so is boehner being more honest than some republicans in congress right now in terms of what they have promised? >> no, i think john boehner is a guy that obviously didn't know how to lead on this issue, and that's why he's not in that position anymore. he was an incredibly weak leader. let's talk about that obamacare poll that you just put up a minute ago. one of the reasons that that number is so high, is the democrats have done a great job at getting their fearmongering out that you're going to lose your health care. congress has said, the president has said that there not -- you do not have to worry got losing
a plan, going without coverage. a replace would be there and it would be simultaneous, so there would be no gap in coverage. democrats are implying that you're going to lose obama care and you're not going to have anything to replace it with, which is not the truth. we have heard paul ryan talk about it very clearly. republicans went to this town hall and there were a lot of democrats who were agitators, and if you went to these town halls, it was not all republicans there. >> when they talk about repeal and replace on day one hasn't happened and they don't have a plan to replace. >> we're working on a plan to replace, as our members come back to washington. one of the reasons democrats push these large scale entitlement programs because they know once they're enacted,
and keep in mind, it took obama and the democrats a year and a half to get obamacare in place. it's very hard to repeal those things and change those things. and as we're just starting this process, to think that we're going to get to a magic finish line very quickly is difficult. there's a reason that we call social security and medicare third rail issues that you're not even allowed to touch or talk about. >> it's fearmongering terrified. >> sure, there's fearmongering going on. >> ben, please understand, the legislative process is designed to be a slow process, whether you're enacting something or slowing something down. i think trump and a lot of people same into washington thinking it was an eight-lane superhighway, but the reality is we're on a two-lane country road here, the legislative process months slowly. obamacare took a year and a
half. and to think that republicans are just going to -- >> this two-lane country road is not what the republicans promised and it's not the same as repeal and replace on day one. we have to leave it there. thank you very much. . "outfront," republicans are using gabby giffords as a reason not have town hall meetings. i don't think it's 100% up to trump. i think he's got a lot of say-so in it.
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tonight, president trump with a rousing message to coal try, your jobs are coming back. >> we're preparing bold action to lift the restrictions on clean energy. we're going to put our miners back to work. >> but that promise is already being put to the test. across america a big number of coal mines are being shut down. residents are now betting on
president trump to save not only their jobs but pretty much their entire towns before it's too late. here's martin savidge. >> reporter: it's hard to find an area more remote or more red than manchester, where two out of every three votes were for donald trump. >> trump. >> trump. >> trump. >> reporter: the town sits along the banks of the ohio river. >> it's something about the water here, you get it in your blood and you don't want to leave. >> reporter: folks can tell you when the town started, 1791 and when they believe it will die. >> you say 2018. >> june of 2018 is the last i personally heard. >> reporter: that's when two large coal fired coal plants on either side of the town are projected to close. the news broke just after the election. >> it was definitely a shock to myself, my friends, co-workers, family, people in the local community. i think some people are still in
shock. >> reporter: as it stands now, the union says about 700 jobs will be lost in a town of just 2,000 people. the coal supplier says it will cut an additional 1,500 jobs, tax revenues and property values will plummet. so what about all those rallies. >> i love in ohio. >> a >> reporter: all those problems of jobs and reenergizing coal. >> jobs, jobs, jobs. >> h. >> reporter: if he is the energy coal president, why are coal plaptds still shutting down. >> i don't think it's up to trump. he has a lot of so-so. >> men in overalls built this country, the men in suits have destroyed it. >> but here's a man in a suit. >> but he's touched the working people, he's stood up for the working people.
>> reporter: is that why you voted for trump? >> that's not the only reason i voted for him. i like the water he doesn't try to be politically correct on everything. >> he was positive towards coal, where others with respect. >> reporter: you don't think that despite all this talk of coal that your plant is shutting down. >> i don't think it's his fault. >> reporter: these trump voters are now counting on trump to keep his promises on coal and energy. >> i don't necessarily hold it against him, but i guess more of a disappointment. >> reporter: in manchester and other towns with coal fired power plants, will soon face a much darker fate. the union that represents the
power plant workers says the company tells them the plants are going to close next year. it's possible they could be sold, but industry experts say not likely. because coal fired power plants are not particularly popular these days. either to own or operate, or to buy. poppy? >> thank you so much, marty savage reporting for us. republican strategist doug high is back with us, there's a lot of reasons those coal plants are going away, a lot of it is regulations, a lot of it is automation, a lot of it is cheap, clean natural gas. is this a promise that president trump can keep? these are people's livelihoods. >> i also look at it in the con teixeira of north carolina, my home state in the past couple of months, and i hear a lot of conversations between people who
used to work in textiles like the people who have consistently worked in coal. what i have heard from trump supporters, at least he's trying. but trump, because of his rhetoric, gets credit in placings like north carolina and kentucky. >> i spent a lot of time in kentucky. i'll never forget when one woman told me this a few weeks ago. poppy, the coal trucks are back out. that was everything to this town. the issue is, he didn't say i'm going to trir, he said i'm going to do, i'm going to deliver. >> that's where the risk is, donald trump has sold himself very successfully to the country as the most successful businessman we have had ever. so where he's not able to deliver those successes, where he's not able to bring some jobs back, like, say, with carrier, whether he did or not is a separate argument. that runs the risk of saying he didn't deliver on those promises, but these towns want to give him the benefit of the
doubt. >> if they're looking at a new president that might come in in four or eight years, that will slap them with regular laigss again, that's another road block he's facing. >> and automation, that's not just facing coal, but other industries, where the jobs may not be coming back at all. that's one of the problems that trump faces, but you go back to the core trump supporters, those are the voters you showed. >> but when i was in kentucky, they're holding him to account. "outfront jngsz next for us, a banned chemical weapon that killed kim jong-un's brother. how the president turns a friendly hand shake into a bit of a tug of war. he goes to pull me in, i step in, wrap in here, wrist lock. ...
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jong-nam's face and eye, shows the presence of vx, a chemical weapon that's the most poe tbt of all nerve agents. clarissa ward is outfront. >> the last minutes of kim jong-nam's life. he approaches someone to tell them that he's dizzy. a newspaper shows a photograph of him slumped over in his chair, apparently unconscious. he dies before reaching the hospital. in a twist that reads like the script of a hollywood thriller, mall laszian authorities confirm that the half brother of north korea's dictator, was killed by vx, a lethal nerve agent that can kill in minutes. >> if you get any of it on you, you're dead, there's nothing a doctor can do for you.
you die, you get a microscopic dot of vx on you and you die. >> reporter: south korea is pointing to the volatile north korean state and the leader himself with the prime suspect. the dramatic asass night took place in broad daylight, moments after kim entered the congested. one of the women can be seen walking off, wearing a bizarrely eye-catching lol t-shirt. two suspects, one from indonesia and one from vietnam are now in custody, and indonesian authorities say one of the women told police she believed she was participating in a prank for a tv show, a claim malaise yachb officials dismissed. >> these two ladies who are trained to swab the deceased
face. afterwards they were instructed to clean their hands, and they know it is toxic. >> reporter: the hunt is now on for these four north korean suspects, who left the country on the day of the attack. in yet another bizarre twist, police said someone tried to break into the mortuary, where kim's body is being kept, after which they stepped up security. >> we know who they are. so no need for me to tell you. >> reporter: why would north korea's erratic leader want his own half brother dead? of more concern to u.s. officials is how the dangerous dictator got his hands on one of the most deadly chemical weapons in the world and what else he could do with it. >> it's a nerve agent that has terrified intelligence agencies in the west for a long time because it's so lethal. saddam hussein was accused of
having it, in fact he didn't. they couldn't figure out how to weaponize it. the thing that disturbs me is they have figured out how to weaponize it and use it. will he use it in the united states. there's no way to know. >> the pentagon says it's no spiz that north korea would engage in such practices, but it's very difficult to believe that officials are not extremely concerned about this. the fact is, this attack happened in broad daylight in a major international airport. and if the vx nerve agent had been disbursed more widely, many people could have been killed, including potentially americans. poppy? >> it is stunning. clarissa ward, thank you so much. "outfront" next, a republican citing gabby giffords as the reason he isn't holding a
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tonight, former congresswoman gabby given fords challenging gop lawmakers to hold town halls no matter how -- my offices were open to the public, to the politician who have abandoned their public obligations, i say this, hold town halls. those comments coming after republican congressman said that the house sergeant at arms advised us after former congresswoman gabby giffords was shot at a public place. remember, 19 people were shot in that near assassination of congresswoman giffords, six of them died. with us is gabby giffords
husband. i want to get your reaction to congressman gomer invoking your wife's name as an excuse not to do town halls? >> if he doesn't want to do town halls, he should just say he doesn't want to face his constituents. if gabby were still in congress, she would still be regularly holding town halls. meeting with your constituents is one of the most basic things you should do in a democracy. and gabby has done in excess of 50 public events just this year. so hiding behind her is not a good excuse. >> there are lawmakers, as you know, who do have serious concerns about their safety. i want you to listen to republican congressman scott taylor who talked about how
seriously he is taking the warnings. >> very steersly, people are afraid, my staff is certainly concerned, so we try to take as many safety precautions as possible, both in the structure, but also having backup of local law enforcement. >> do you think that his concerns are legitimate? >> i think you always got to be aware and you want to take certain steps, you know, to make sure, you know, that your constituents are safe. i'm sure that representative, i'm not sure who it is. he sounds like he actually met with his constituents. in 2009, when the affordable care act was being investigated, she had a lot of very heated town halls and she would continue to do that today. if these representatives are really concerned about the safety of their constituents, they should join us and not side with the washington gun lobby. you know, i'm a gun owner, gabby
is a gun owner, background checks of gun owners should -- passing that legislation is what's going to keep them safer. >> on that point, before we let you go. this morning the president addressed the cpac gathering and he spoke about a lot of issues and one that you care about and that is guns. >> we will protect our second amendment. wayne and chris are here from the nra, and they didn't have that on the list, it's lucky i thought about it. but we will indeed, and they're great people. and by the way, they love our country. >> you mention background checks, universal background checks, how hard that was to get passed, didn't even get passed under president obama. and now you look at the fight you face with president trump in office, where does your fight go from here? >> i'm a veteran, i served this
country for 25 years, there is nobody that love this is country more than me. and i'm a strong supporter of the second amendment as well. but the second amendment doesn't mean that we should give criminals, suspected terrorists, people that are dangerously mentally ill and domestic abusers easy access to firearms. and i imagine if i had the opportunity to sit down with president trump and explain that to him, you know, i think maybe we could firved some common ground. >> sounds like you want a meeting with the president, is that right? >> absolutely, you know, any time, love to meet with the president and talk about this. you know, i even saw some, you know, common ground in some of the presidential debates where he specifically talked about trying to restrict access to fire arms from suspected terrorists, so that's something that this congress and this administration should move forward on. >> mark kelly, appreciate you joining us, thank you. >> thank you for having me on, poppy, really appreciate it.
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the element of surprise, it's one of trump's favorite strategies and it starts with his hand shake. >> reporter: chances are you'll never shake the hand of donald trump, but with all the recent coverage with his business saturday grab and yank hand shake technique, some are getting defense. for instance, this instructor at a ohio martial arts academy -- >> i'm not suggesting you do this to the president. >> reporter: this fourth-degree black belt is demonstrating a defensive maneuver. >> i bend the wrist in, i go over top of the knuckles, boom. >> reporter: and inventor who
specializes in useless ininvestigations, creating the donald trump hand shake robot so he could test various anti-grab and yank measures. >> first we'll try regular hand shake. hand on shoulder. okay, i'm going to try squeezing his hand really hard. >> reporter: the robot is timed to yank randomly to keep the element of surprise. when none of the techniques worked, he offered to fit the robot with a fist bump. but perhaps the most mess rerizing re-creation of the presidential hand shake was done by a cgi artist in sweden. this was kid's stuff for this man who works at home on his farm. so how long did you spchbd on this animation? >> reporter: even harry potter
author j.k. rowi ling repeated it. >> pretty sure the goose neck would give the secret service goose bumps. jeanne motimos, cnn, new york. i'm poppy harlow, have a great weekend, "a.c. 360" begins right now. good evening, thank you for joining us, two big stories tonight, more reporting on contact between the white house and the fbi surrounding the investigation into alleged contact between the trump campaign and russia. new details and concerns with the white house about the story. and also the white house taking a swipe at us and a number of media organizations that brought that report to light. trump lashed out at cnn for using unnamed sources, he said today, nobody loves the first amendment more than me, while again calling the pss