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joining me. on friday when sean spicer was holding a press gaggle, he blocked reporters from cnn and other outlets from attending. a move that was surprising for even the most experienced. cnn said we will keep reporting regardless. saturday, prumesident trump sai he will skip the white house correspondent dinner. you see him there in 2011. he hasn't been since. he is doubling down on the idea that you can't trust us. he's offering a new track from his broken record of media attacks including this tweet e he says fake news media knowingly doesn't tell the truth. it's a great danger to our country. the failing new york times has become a joke. like wise cnn, sad. you know what's not sad?
my panel. here with a wide range of views to break this down. white house kcorrespondent for politico and will. he's the author of the burn identity. you were there on friday. you were trying to attend the off camera briefing. tell us what happened. >> it started a little before that because we thought we were having an on camera gaggle with sean spicer in the briefing room but then we received an e-mail around 11:30 saying it would be an off camera gaggle and in his office. sort of the rumor mill started going around. he said what does that mean? it's extended pool. pool are the people who cover the white house in every single movement and they follow the
president around as a way to send out notes to us who can't be there. we went to the press office and we asked are we allowed to come as well. they said we'll take your name down and e-mail you if you're allowed to be on. we were all waiting for this e-mail. some got it, some didn't. we thought let's just herd in there. maybe they forgot to e-mail us. it's all very unusual. as we were trying to make our way to spicer's office, a deputy press secretary was saying to some outlets, absolutely. come on in. c thrks thr cnn wasbarred, buzzfeed, politico. i asked the press conference why is politico not allowed in. can i have a comment because i think i will have to write a story. she said you're threatening me. it was a very odd response because obviously i wasn't physically threatening her but it was this is going to become a story. it got me thinking this is all
by design. they knew by blocking us we would be paying attention to the story about how this is an infringement of the first amendment and they are trying to squeeze us out of the white house and briefing and instead of covering the story of the day is that the chief of staff reince priebus reached out to the number two at the fbi to ask him to kill stories about contacts between campaign aides and high level russian officials. that became the story of the day. the fact we were blocked out instead of the real story which spicer did have to answer some questions to but when you only bring in small group of people including some more friendly outlets, you don't have others in the room to really fire away more questions. that's why that matters. >> when you invite a channel called one america news network that's so small it doesn't have nielson ratings but you exclude cnn, it's clearly a meditated position.
does this feel like a strategy by the white house? >> it seems, i would call it nixonian but that would be unfair to the memory of president nixon. this is an attempt to bully the press by using access as a weapon to manipulate coverage. i think the wall street journal put out a statement that was clear. if we had known what was happening we wouldn't have participated in that meeting with mr. spicer. i think that's the right attitude for the rest of the press to take. that if the administration will try to boycott certain news outlets then perhaps we should, as news organizations, return the favor to this administration. >> that's interesting. tara, you're a politico, do you think that will happen at politico? >> i'm sure we will follow the guy gans of tidance of the whit. their team are masters of
distraction. this whole story because they were blocked out. let's not forget that president obama blocked fox. we still have our press credentials. we need to evaluate how hysterical to get about this. >> absolutely. on the other hand, here is hold up i view it. access is taken away inch by inch. press freedoms are not curtailed at once. what we're seeing is a small step in that direction. i want to bring amy in. you're here with me and you're not running for office. part of that kind of wave, i would say of trump supporters seeking public office. i wonder how you view this incident and how trump supporters view this incident? >> i think trump supporters agree with what he is saying when he's talking about fake news and him lashing out at the media and whatnot.
you heard them at cpac and loud applause and rooars when he mad some of those comments. i think the media shouldn't hyp hyperventilate over this. from my understanding this has happened before. >> nothing like there. when it happened with fox other news outlets stood up and the obama administration did not continue doing it. >> it has happened before. my understanding is these gaggles happen all the time and the pool of reporters were in there. that happens when he's traveling too. not everybody has access when he's traveling. >> you think it's okay to have the president and the administration support favorable friendly outlets and block out cnn? >> no. i think the media needs to have access because we the people need to know what's going on. for whatever reason they did this in his office and it is smaller room, they say, and not everybody can fit in. >> i think you should make room for big outlets. you hear the cheers at cpac, his
supporters, his voters are with him in the battles in the media. >> they are. look, it's not necessarily wrong reporting but things that were omitted, there's been 16 stories that have been done since he was elected that were false. fake stories. >> out of tens of thousands of news stories. >> still. i think part of it is people rushing to get it right in the day of the internet and social media. everybody wants the first clicks. i think that it's more important to take your time and get it right than get it wrong. >> there were mistakes made last night when the president went to one of his thoehotels in d.c. i'm with you on mistakes but at the same time, i look at what he's doing on friday and saying we're inching in a difficult direction. the washington post editor said
trump is heading down an undemocratic path. do you feel that? >> i don't feel that. you still have access and i think you will continue to have access. i know that people are upset about the white house correspondent dinner. the president goes there to get mocked. he doesn't need to go to that dinner. he's mocked all the time. look at every saturday night with saturday night live. at some point it must get old. i can understand that. if he doesn't feel genuine and want to be there, then why should he pretend. >> the dinner is also about scholarships. will, your take for trump to skip the dinner and announce it two months ahead of time. >> someone on twitter compared it to the famous seinfeld episode when george said i'm breaking up with you. a lot of journalists and news organizations were saying i'm getting ready to drop out. this was a strike to take
control of the issue. i think in a weird way, i think trump may have done the media a favor because it's definitely time to rethink the white house correspondence dinner. i agree with you, i think drip by drip this campaign against the media is real threat to american democracy. i think april 29th would be a great day for the media to take steps to call attention to what's going on here instead of a glitzy dinner with the red carpet, i would love to see a candle light vigil for the journalists around the world who have lost their lives or been in prison on behalf of press freedom. i'd like to see a teach in about how serious some of the threats to the first amendment that are going on right now are. i think this should be day to celebrate the first amendment with or without donald trump. >> let me make one more point before we go to break. breitbart is getting an interview with trump. fox and friends having an interview with the president in
the coming days. this suggest a strategy to seek out friendly outlets for interviews. have you been able to interview president trump yet? >> unfortunately, politico has not had the shot. if the president is watching, i would love to interview you as well. the attack on the media is really kind of creating a level of confusion for people who are in the middle ground and they don't really know what's fake news and what's not. after my brother, he's 20 years old, he's in college and he read that politico was blocked from the briefing. he asked me are you fake news. the fact he's wondering what's real and what's not is a problem. the fact that people are confused is what's the problem right now. they don't know because there is a predisposition to believe the president. i think that creating the press of the opposition party is confusing people who are don't know who to believe. >> can i say one thing?
>> go ahead. >> it's not just the president. it's other stories like the washington post. there are other fake stories too that have been -- >> you say fake stories. i say mistakes. >> okay. mistakes. they need to be corrected. >> they are. >> it needs to slow down and slow down and get it right instead of being first one out there. >> amy, stick around. i'm going to say good-bye to tara. thank you for being here. everybody else come back. up next, we have an exclusive interview with one of trump's favorite targets. he'll be right back. let me talk to you about retirement. a 401(k) is the most sound way to go. let's talk asset allocation. -sure. you seem knowledgeable, professional. would you trust me as your financial advisor? -i would. -i would indeed. well, let's be clear, here. i'm actually a deejay.
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welcome back. let me show you a great example of trump's fixation with cable news and use of twitter to react. tonight the new york times shows its new oscar ad. it's all about truth and the aim of signing you up. i talked about the ad at 6:34 a.m. this morning. eight minutes later the president tweeted this. calling out the failing new york times for running the ad. what do you think? a coincidence or was he watching cnn? you decide. the times has been one of the president's favorite targets.
he's tweeted about the nyt labeling it failing 53 times trying to get that nickname to stick. joining me is the head of that news room, the executive editor of the new york times. is the times failing? why does he say it? what are the facts? >> we're not failing at all. our digital subscriptions are going through the roof. even print subscriptions are up. we're a profitable company. we're a news room that's hiring. we're big, vibrant, important newsroom. i think the reason he goes after us, to be frank, i have to say there's an effort by this administration to minimize the press. >> minimize. >> yeah. i think their goal is evident. make it so there's a handful of independent institutions whose job it is, and we're among them, to critique the president, to hold the president accountable. the judiciary is in the same batch. i think if you look at the
pattern of the president's tweets, they're designed to minimize the institutions who are charged with holding him accountable. i think that's dangerous. >> do you think these are authoritarian tendencies the way some outsiders have suggested they are? >> i'm not going to go that far. i'm going to hold onto my news room hat of not characterizing things that way. i think it's troublesome. i think it's dangerous. i think it means that all the institutions including the press and the new york times whose job it is to ask hard questions. if he continues doing what he's doing, he's attempting to make that harder to do. it will not be harder to do inside our newsrooms. we're going to ask hard questions. we're going to continue to be tough analysts and reporters about the trump administration and its actions. fair and tough analysts. i think he clearly wants to
convince his supporters we're not to be trusted. he's wrong. >> when he tweets about your company, does that help subscriptions? is trump the best thing to happen to the times subscription strategy? >> trump is the best thing to happen to the times subscription strategy. yes. every time he tweets it drives subscriptions wildly. if i can say something he's accomplished. i think that there was a long time when the press wondering about its place in the society. the last several years as newspaper subscriptions dwindled, local newspapers worried about their future. i think that's happened in the last couple of months has been tremendous for news organizations. our mission is clearer than it's ever been. we're covering a dramatic revolution in government and how the country is governed. it feels like all the things that bothered us and made us lose confidence in last few
months has gone away. it's so clear what our mission is. >> i think a lot of trump supporters were saying why weren't you doing that for eight years when president obama was in office. why have you discovered your mission? >> i think those supporters were not reading the new york times. i keep using the example of tom dashel. in the beginning of the obama administration he was the most powerful person emerging in the obama administration. it was relentless coverage of him by the new york times, washington post and others about the fact he still had a lobbying business and tom had to leave the obama administration. we've been tough on all presidents. it's not -- this is not a new e phenomenon. what's new is maybe the president doesn't understand. >> it's what the president said
about the use of sources. >> they just make them up when there are none. i saw one story recently where they said nine people have confirmed and i said give me a break because i know the people. i know who they talk to. there were no nine people. >> tell us how anonymous sour sourcing works at the times. >> if you read the history of donald trump and his dealings with the press, including a story we publish today, he's an an anonymous source. he's been an anonymous source without his career especially when it helped him and when it burnished his reputation. when you cover national security, when you cover the areas that we're working on, people cannot attach their names to them. some of most important stories of a generation whether it's the new york times is coverage of the nsa, whether it's watergate have come from anonymous sources. these are not people who pull us aside because they want to screw donald trump.
these are people who are worried about the direction of the government. these are people who are taking risks to talk to the media because they think these things need to be exposed. i have to say in an administration that has expressed so much distaste for the press and so much distaste for our role, are you surprised that some of the people who want to criticize the administration want to do it without their names attached? i'm not. i think that you'll see more use of anonymous sources. i think we have to be careful. i think it's got to be on the most important stories but they are important. we're in a different climate now. >> the public editors would say we have to limit anonymous sources. is that a problem as they continue to break news about the trump administration's various communications with russia but have to rely on anonymous sources. >> i think what we have to do is be really careful.
we have to make sure, i always know who the sources are for these stories. that's why i'm so confident pushing back at the trump administration when they criticize the stories. i think we have to be really careful but we have to own up to the fact that we're going to be in an era as we have been before where anonymous sources will be important. as long as the stories are accurate, as long as they are true, which so far has been the case, and as long as we offer the right perspective, i think that's fine. >> you've had no stories where you had to backtrack? >> nope. no. it's not happened in trump era. we have been, every story -- by the way, i should say, news organizations are flawed institutions. if we get something wrong, we correct it right away. we own up to it. as long as you do that, i think people will believe you're honorable in your use after anonymous sources. >> thank you for being here.
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between good outlets and bad outlets. >> i'm not against the media or press. i'm only against the fake news media press. fake. fake. >> fake. that word has gotten a lot of use in the past few months. before the election the media reporters like yours truly weren't about the plague of fake news. what we meant by fake news is this. this is classic example. stories on made up websites claiming the pope endorsed trump during the campaign. many people were fooled by these fake stories. i've been snuckered a time or two myself. anonymous writers invent theese stories to profit from the clicks or spread propaganda. that's the media industry definition of fake news. after election day trump and some of his conservative media allies thought to redefine the term. fake news is any story, any network that he doesn't seem to like. let me take a minute and
translate trump for you. here is more of what he said at k cpac. >> i'm against the people that make up stories and make up sources. they shouldn't be allowed to use sources unless they use somebody's name. let their name be put out there. let their name be put out. >> translation, trump is incensed by reporting from the times, cnn, washington post and other newsrooms report whog ings the anonymous source. faking a source is a fireable offense. they vet the source and get approvalable from their bosses. i think we need to explain that to our viewers watching. back to trump. >> they make up something else. you saw that before the election. polls. polls. the polls. take a look at their polls over the last two years. you think they would fire the pollster, right. after years and years of getting
battered but who knows. maybe they are just bad at polling or maybe they are not leg legit. >> translation, maybe he wants his approval ratings to rise. polls are not fake. they are scientifically based. some are better than others and they why we have polling standards. polls are not fake news. on friday when trump ripped into cnn, fox's shepard smith tried to correct him. >> in short fake news is made up nonsense delivered for financial gain. cnn's reporting was not fake news. it's journalists follow the same standards to which other news organizations including fox news adhere. >> thanks, shep. i think you'll see what's happening here. partisans are trying to redefine fake news as an insult, a slur. experts are suggesting we all choose or words more carefully, choose our terms more carefully.
this week at a conference about misinformation there's a spectrum of fake stuff out there. over on the left you see satire abdomen and on the right side, false stories designed to deceive and do harm. and on the false stories designed to deceive and do harm. and on the false stories designed to deceive and do harm. and on the false stories designed to deceive and do harm. and on thee stories designed to deceive and do harm. and on the right side, stories designed to deceive and do harm. and on the right side, stories designed to deceive and do harm.nd on the right side, f stories designed to deceive and do harm. as the terms are redefined it is complicated out there. as tara was saying earlier, people don't know what to believe. back with me to talk more about this, amy kramer and will bunch, columnist for the philly daily news. brett, what are you trying to do as a writer? what are you trying to do to help the audience understand between real reporting and actually deceptive fake stories?
>> i'm deputy editor. >> thank you. >> you might have added i'm a conservative writer for a conservative ed toir paitorial . we need to ask ourselves if president obama were behaving the same way when it came to the news media or when it came to frankly stories of international importance like his relationship with vladmir putin, what would my, some of my friends on the right have to say about that and should we not apply the same standards. we were all outraged when the obama administration attempted to bully and muscle out fox news from the pool. we should apply a similar standard when it comes to efforts to do the same by this right of center administration to cnn or other news outlets perceived to be left wing. we're all constitutionalists. i'm sure my friend on the screen
is a constitutionalist. that means a real respect for the first amendment and for understanding just how important our founders attached to free and unfettered press. when you heard donald trump saying there should be no anonymous sources this is an effort to send a signal to people in government not to speak or otherwise to risk terrible penalties. we were critics of the obama administration for heavy handed use of the espionage act to go after sources of government and the media. we should apply the same standard for the trump administration. what i hear is a lot of people are giving trump pass for his fake news, for his perpetration of lies while being savage about mistakes made by the press which are in a different category altogether. not intended, as you said, to deceive. >> what you want is consistency. will, i want to show you at clip
from cpac. some of the president's rhetoric and ask you about it. >> i want you all to know that we are fighting the fake news. it's fake, phony, fake. [ applause ] a few days ago i called the fake news the enemy of the people and they are. they are the enemy of the people. >> will you wrote that this language, enemy of the people, that it has historical parall s parallels. tell us about that. >> absolutely. if you look back the last 100 years going all the way back to the rise of right wing authoritarians in europe in the 1930s, but follow straight line in venezuela on the left in the 21st century, you'll see the first thing they do is go after the media. there's been concerns about donald trump going back to the campaign he was going to try and run the government in an auth
authoritarian fashion. when he calls the press the enemy of the people, i think he's playing into the worst of what people feared from trau ee administration. i think what's going on is the trump administration and his advisors like steve bannon and donald trump himself are in war to control what is the truth. when they tell repeated lies about the murder rate in america or about little stuff like the number of people at his inauguration, they are trying to create a scenario where they and not the media defining the truth. tearing down the media is part of the strategy and some of it doesn't matter now but in months ahead there's going to big crisis, we'll see his signature programs like mass deportation implemented oaf t eed over the months and the truth will be more and more important.
just like orwell in "1984," he who controls the source controls the story. >> when you hear the phrase enemy of the people, do you think that is as dangerous as someone as will is describing? >> he just wants the story -- the story is what he's done. he's a politician that is doing what he said he was going to do. >> what he has done that is significant to you? what has he done? >> the keystone pipeline. gorsu gorsuch, the regulations. the things that he's doing. the media didn't elect him. the people elected him. the people deserve to know exactly what he's doing and when it's constant barrage of everything negative, not talking about what the administration is doing, the people tune out. they don't believe the media. >> i think the challenge we face is when we're fact checking president trump, it's perceived as being an attack against him.
>> he's gone straight to twitter and he can talk to the people and he comes out and has a press conference. he wants the people to know what he's working on and what he's doing. the people want to know that. the people want to know what's going on. honestly, i'm tired of hearing about all this. i'm really tired of it. i know other people are tired of it too. let's talk about what's going to get this country back on track and create jobs and the committee. that's what people have to care about. that's what people want to talk about. they're not talking about this stuff. >> great to see you in person. brett, will, thank you very much. quick break here. a quick plug for our nightly newsletter. go to reliablesources.com. i'm going to send out a special edition after the oscars tonight. coming up next, fact checking. we're talking about fact checking the president and other politicians. any next guest says there's a better way to do it. hear about it right after the break. pain used to shut me down during pick-up games.
welcome back. we've been talking about prum president trump attacking the fake news media at cpac. he did that while making claims that we're fake. >> obama care covers very few people. take a look at what happened in swe d sweden. the place is packed. there are lines that go back six blocks. i tell you because you won't read about that. >> you won't read about it because it's not true. there was no six block long line. was that the best most effective way to fact check a politician like trump. my next guest says no, not at all. he's a professor of cognitive
science and linguistics. george, what have we been doing wrong trying to fact check the president? >> well, first of all, you do need the facts but you need to know how to present those facts because if you just negate what he's saying, you're going to just strengthen him. remember, richard nixon said i'm not a crook and people thought of him as a crook. i wrote a book called don't think of an elephant. it made you think of an elephant. if you repeat what donald trump says and negate it and say know and say it's false. what you're doing is strengthening that because in your brain, the neurocircuits have to activate what you're negating it and that strengthens what you're negating. every time you negate it, you help the other side. what you can do is the opposite.
trump is diverting attention from real issues. real issues like russia, for example. like his foreign policy, like his business connections and on and on. lots of real issues that he's diverting attention from. what you can do in reporting this is talk first about the truth about what he's diverting attention from. the real issues. then say here is what he said in his tweet because his tweet is strategic trying to divert attention. then you can say this is an attempt to divert attention from this and it's false. here is why it's false. let's go back to the real issues and you go on. with about 30 seconds on trump,trump, rather than all time on trump. the more time you spend on trump on putting him out there, the more you help him. >> i'll take an example from that sound bite we just played. we played the president talking about obama care. you're saying the better way to handle this is to do the following. say obama care supports 22
million people but president trump said very few people have obama care. is that the better way? >> the fact is that it's false. what he's trying to do is divert attention from the truth again. that's exactly what you say. when you report it you point out first, frame first that obama care took care of 22 million people more than or before. that attempts to get rid of it would get rid of care for many millions of people. then you can say the president diverting attention from this, you said the following. you give his quote and you say he missed the fact that 22 million people is not a few number of people. >> to prove your point -- go ahead. >> you frame first. you frame with the truth first. your job is to present the truth for the public good.
you do it first because if he gets to frame it first that's how people understand the situation. >> great to have you here today. thank you very much for this unique approach. >> great. up next, the editor of the atlanta journal constitution talking about trump coverage outside the bubble. we'll be right back. today, unlimited gets the network it deserves. verizon. (mic thuds) uh, sorry. it's unlimited without compromising reliability, on the largest, most advanced 4g lte network in america. (thud) uh... sorry, last thing. it's just $45 per line. forty. five. (cheering and applause) and that is all the microphones that i have. (vo) unlimited on verizon. 4 lines, just $45 per line. [ rear alert sounds ]," by willie nelson ] [ music stops ] again ♪ just can't wait to get on the road again ♪ [ front assist sounds ] [ music stops ]
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welcome back to reliable sources. president trump has a long list of grief answers when it comes to his press cover range and chief among them, tone. he and his supporters claim they cannot get fair coverage in likes of the new york times or cnn. so i wanted to take advantage of being here in atlanta this week at cnn center in a state that voted for president trump to see if the coverage outside the d.c., new york corridor has been any different, any friendier. i have the perfect person to
ask, kevin riley he's the top editor. >> good to be with you. i trust you had a great weekend here in zblaent i have. i was at the civil rights museum yesterday. a really important figure in this city, mcgill, during the civil rights movement in 1960s. i wonder now more than 50 years later, how do you view your rule as the editor of the one of the biggest papers in the punt. >> one of the things for being there for all of white house work there is a long tradition as important matters changed and atlanta changed with it and we looked to mcgill for inspiration. and believe me, these days we really need that kind of inspiration. >> why's that? >> well, i think that he lived and worked in confusion times just as we did. it was a different kiechd thing. but he felt his way along as the nation was wrestling with the civil rights era. and when you read up on him, you find that he worked hard at it.
he didn't have it right every day, but he certainly worked to serve his readers. and that's what we're doing today in the middle of all of this. the tone of our coverage around thaufl trump stuff is really guided by research we do with our readers. we know what our readers expect of us and they expect us to give both sides and dig out the facts. and they seech us as the most reliable source of information, especially in-depth information. so what we try do is get out there in georgia and find out how are these policies playing out in georgia? how are they affecting real people? because we really can't get caught up in some of what's going on in iowa because our readers don't expect that us from. >> in this divide country are you getting more complaints from readers these day or more compliments? >> we're getting both all the time, as you might imagine. >> i think we'll always find some people at the extremes, but for the most part georgia ians
are regular americans who expect their president to serve them. they expect their folks in washington to serve them and in the end they want to know if they are. >> i find every week on this program we're talk about attacks against the media and media screwups and missteps. are you finding young people want to enter the provision are they sengd you resumes or maybe less these days. >> i'm going to be talking to some tomorrow and what i find is that students are tremendously interested in work in the media. >> they're not scared off by trump's attacks or complaints? >> no. they find the work interesting, they media savvy. >> i hate to say this but i think they're probably a lot smarter than we were when we were in school. and i think there's a lot of opportunity in the media. i think all that's going on now in washington for a regional paper like the atlanta constitution presents a historic opportunity to really explain what's going on. let me give you an example of something. one of our reporters wrote about
this this morning, and it's the story of the vadalial onion. i though you're a renaissance guy so you probably cooked with them, but the point is they will have to be harvested probably around mid-april, and it's a story that involves immigration policy because those farmers in southern georgia have often had to depend on immigrants to harvest those crops. >> that's a way into the story that's local and personal. >> absolutely. so what's the trumg on the ground? that's the story we'll be pursuing. does the new policy and approach the president take, has it satisfied georgians that the law's being enforced? >> and people need that local report. >> absolutely, they count on it from us. >> great to see. >> you good to see you thanks for having me. >> we're out of time here on tv but sign up at reliable sources.com for our newsletter. and as we go this week alan combes passed away this week after a brief ill innocence.
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