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time to hand things over to don lemon and cnn tonight. i'll see you tomorrow night. you are looking live at capitol hill, that's where in less than 24 hours the president will address a joint session of congress for the first time. this is cnn tonight, i'm don lemon. the president promising his speech will lay out details of his proposed budget. already putting a big number out there, 54 billion that's how much he wants to cut from multiple federal agencies and shift to defense spending.
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president trump says this about replacing obama care. >> we'll have a plan that's going to be -- i think, fantastic, it will be released fairly soon. we'll be talking about it tomorrow night during the speech. the white house pushing back for calls of a special investigation, did president trump's campaign coordinate with russia's putin. jim acosta joins us now. we're getting a preview of the president's budget plan today, what can we expect? >> well, don, i can tell you that senior administration officials were briefing reporters at the white house earlier this evening, to lay out the preview of the president's speech of the joint session to congress. consider the theme that officials are telling us about in terms of what the president will be talking about tomorrow night. the theme will be renewal of the american spirit and optimistic vision for all americans. that word optimistic stands out,
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because there was a lot of criticism of the president's inaugural address, when he was talking about american carnage in this country. it was too dark a tone for the inaugural speech. perhaps the president trying to reset when it comes to the tone of a very big speech to the nation. in the meantime, you're right. the president is sharpening his budget axe, we heard from white house officials earlier today, they're going to be steep cuts to nondefense spending in the president's budget, when he outlines that, in may we'll get a fuller look at the president's budgets in may. earlier today, the president was saying, yes, these cuts are coming. >> here going to do more with less. we're going to do more with less and make the government lean and accountable to the people. >> now, the only place in town is not going to be cut is the pentagon. take a look at this. the president is proposing these
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other huge cuts at nondefense agencies, he's proposing a $54 billion increase in defense spending and white house officials, the new omb director, was in the white house briefing room today, insisting that $54 billion will be paid for with cuts in nondefense spending. the house minority leader was saying earlier today, she believes the president really has no idea what he's talking about, when it comes to these nondefense spending cuts, when you get to a number that large, you're talking about deep painful cuts across the federal government. >> and how they're going to pay for it, that's what everyone is wondering. also tonight, the president to fox news, repeating a claim that former president obama is behind the leaks coming out of his administration, let's take a look at that. >> can we talk about president obama? >> you personally get along with him. you guys were going at each other for three, four, eight years. his organization seems to be doing a lot of the organizing, some of the protests that a lot
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of these republicans are seeing around the country and against you. do you believe president obama's behind it? and if he is, is that a violation of the so-called unsaid president's code. >> no, i think he is behind it, i also think it's politics, that's the way it,and look -- >> but bush wasn't going after clinton, clinton wasn't going after bush? >> well, you never know exactly what's happening behind the scenes. you're probably right or possibly right, you never know. i think president obama's behind it, because his people are certainly behind it. and some of the leaks possibly come from that group. you know, some of the leaks, which are very serious leaks, they're very bad in terms of national security. i also understand that's politics, and in terms of him being behind things that's politics. and it will probably continue. >> okay, jim, that's very interesting. cnn has new reporting about the white house's mission to stop the leaks coming out of their administration, would he just -- the claims he just made. >> i think it's pretty striking,
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pretty remarkable that the president would accuse former obama administration officials of being behind these leaks, for a couple reasons. he did say roughly the same thing in that interview around the time of the super bowl. one reason why we should probably view that with some suspicion is, consider what sean spicer did last week, we understand he took the cell phones away from several white house staffers in the press office, to find out whether or not they were using nonwhite house aliases to communicate back and forth with reporters about what is going on in the white house. if president trump believes that, why is he doing this. >> if the leaks are not real, why is he trying to stop the leaks that are not real. >> how can the news be fake if the leaks are real.
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we'll put that conversation aside for another time. my colleague was reporting today, that the president was aware of sean spicer's decision to go and take these phones away from his staffers to find out if they've been talking to reporters. sean spicer reached out to cnn this evening and said that is not the case, the president was not aware of this, and that sean spicer did this on his own. it goes to show you that it's not just the obama administration holdovers they're suspicious of at the white house don. >> thank you so much. i want to bring in david gergen, good evening to all of you. happy monday, first, david, let's talk about the president's speech at congress tomorrow. what will you be looking for? >> which david? >> that was a good one. >> david gergen, sorry. >> the one who spoke up. the smarty pants. >> well, the other david is so shy, of course.
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>> so look, don, i think we'll be looking partly for tone. is it going to be the kind of angry speech that we saw at the inauguration. or is it going to be a more optimistic speech that jim chute doe just reported on, that's going to be important. very important to this speech is, the president is moving into a new stage of his presidency, away from his capacity to make all the changes unilaterally through executive orders. and for the first time, he has to look to congress. and the institutions of congress to do big things. whether it be tax reform or infrastructure or obama care, all these big things. i think we're now going to look for, what's your game plan, what's your strategy. you're laying out $54 billion. who's going to get mauled in the process, who's going to have their budget leveled? are we going to cut down the state department at the time you got -- you got these
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heavyweights you put in defense. are you going to draw down heavily on state, i would think tillerson, the secretary would wage one hell of a war, if that were the case. >> nia, $54 billion for defense and security. you have a border wall that could cost upwards of $20 billion. the president wants to cut taxes, he wants more infrastructure spending. how does this get paid for? >> nobody knows. that's the $3 trillion question, which is about the size of the federal budget in any given year. this document, they call it a skinny budget, it's essentially his proposal. it's really a political unicorn. he's a republican president not wanting to touch entitlements at all. not wanting to block grant any of these entitlement programs, that is very odd and is going to land on capitol hill in a
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strange way. if you're a democrat you like that he doesn't want to touch, that you -- that he doesn't seem to want to touch some of those entitlement programs, and if you're a republican, you like the fact that he wants to grow the defense department, it doesn't seem to be a budget that's really serious about the cost. he's not going where the money is, much of the money, two thirds of the money in the budget expenditures is about the pentagon, defense spending and entitlement reform. him tinkering around the edges, around foreign aid he just doesn't seem to be serious about costs, and about all the things that conservatives have been concerned about, the deficit and the debt and spending, out of control costs, i mean, it's like a santa claus budget. you can have everything you want, tax cuts, you can have a big defense department, you can have all the social security and medicare and medicaid you want, but it's not a really realistic document, and we'll get scoring from the cbo at some point, and
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we'll get -- you know, we'll get from the agencies what they can do. >> a couple questions, i want to get to health care, i want to ask you specifically to respond to what nia said. where are other presidents at this point or where were they with their budgets and were these skinny budgets on target? did they get the same sort of criticism the white house was getting as well? >> this idea of putting out policy priorities in budget form. and then later on down the road, deeper into the year, deeper into the year than you'll see in any subsequent year forward. this is. >> not the first year. the budget process is a little delayed. every president gets up to speed late in january. i don't think we're seeing anything all that different here. >> that's why i asked you, everyone's -- a lot of people say, you guys are so critical. i want to know in terms of other
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presidents where this particular issue stands. >> in terms of timing, i think we're not seeing that. in terms of what nia was talking about, you can't have all those things and also not have a ballooning deficit. that is a reality that once numbers are attached to this, we're going to learn from president trump whether or not having the deficit explode is a priority for him. or not. might he want to just deficit spent his way through his administration, or is he going to look to reign in the budget. >> hold on, very to get to a break. we'll let you respond to that. >> and we're going to talk about president trump's plan to repeal and replace obama care, is it on target? can it happen? we'll discuss that. now! ♪ ahhhhhhhhhhh... mmmm heavenly, right? birds eye steamfresh. so veggie good.
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the president is expected to lay out details tomorrow night about his plan to replace obama care. you were talking about a ballooning budget, where you get everything in, the cbo to approve? >> sure. i wanted to go back to the question of timing. when you compare this president to notable presidents of the past. he's behind. and it's taken more time and is costing him, i think. political capital to have so many delays. one thing he did was to appoint
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a budget director. he had a budget he could present to congress. president obama's case, when he went before the congress on february 24th of his first year, he had 164 page document that he issued simultaneously. just a few weeks later he had a budget up. some of his own making, he has an inexperienced team. he's behind on that, and i think that the longer this had is drifted. the more problematic it has made. it's late in the game for many republicans, and has given time to the opposition. and it's changing the politics of political dynamics, whether you can get obama care done, much less go on and get his tax cuts done. >> you see all these town halls around the country.
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can we talk about -- the president met today with senate majority leader mitch mcconnell, paul ryan, governors, health care providers. let's listen to the president and i'll get your response. >> we have come up with a solution that's really really -- i think very good. now, i have to tell you, it's an unbelievably complex subject. nobody knew health care could be so complicated. >> david, nobody knew health care could be so complicated? i mean -- >> everybody knew that health care was complicated, including donald trump, i'm sure he would like to have that back. what i think he probably meant to say is, perhaps folks didn't realize that repealing and replacing this was not going to be as simple as a day one promise. or where the campaign trail rhetoric meets up. but the reality of governing here, this gets to david
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gergen's earlier point, what tomorrow is really about. you can see listening to paul ryan and mitch mcconnell, congress is craving to hear some real presidential leadership in terms of pointing a way of how he wants to accomplish this major goal of repealing and replacing obama care, they know that they're all on the same page with the goal, and now republicans in congress really want the president to be able to weigh-in on specifics. the problem is, every time that we've looked to donald trump giving a big speech in the campaign or a moment where he was rolling out a new policy, if you look -- if you're looking for a big white paper and specifics, exactly how he wants to accomplish it, you are going to be disappointed. that's not been his way of doing things. he eventually wants to get something on his desk to sign into law, repealing and replacing this health care law. specifics will be needed and what paul ryan and other republicans want to hear from him, are you embracing the house plan here?
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is that what we're going to start lobbying against, you can see some conservative house republicans are starting to get nervous about what plans are out there. >> even he said, once we touch it, no matter what we do with it, we own it, if we screw that up, they're going to -- it's going to be looked upon as republicans screwed up health care, rather than obama care was a bad deal in the beginning. am i wrong? >> no, that's right. it's what democrats are arguing too. this idea that it becomes trump care and whatever is wrong with it, the republicans will have to suffer the consequences. >> isn't it amazing to you, he said, no one knew -- even if he meant to phrase it in a different way. it was tough, getting the health care law is not an easy thing to get done. >> right, this has been going on for decades, in terms of trying to get some sort of health care reform. we saw it fail with clinton in
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the '90s, and obama finally did it. it took months and months of wrangling and arm twisting. >> originally they wanted single player? >> right, republicans at one point liked the idea of a mandate, because it was about personal responsibility. they don't like that now. the challenge is going to be for republicans, to figure out what they want to do, john boehner said it best, he had said that he had never known republicans to be in agreement in terms of what their approach to health care should be. i think we're finding that, we're also seeing that obama care is a stubborn thing. it's very much embedded into what people are expecting, and so this idea that they could just wipe it away with a slogan and a single bill is hard. >> this is going to be an interesting to watch, especially
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as these town halls around the country. republican lawmakers are concerned, maybe we shouldn't be so hasty about this. i found this moment interesting today. when i was watching "today," the former president was on, and he was asked what he thought about trump in connection to russia. >> i think we all need answers. whether or not the special prosecutor is the right way to go tonight, you're talking to the wrong guy. i've never been a lawyer, i'm not sure the right avenue to take. i am sure that that question needs to be answered. >> that question needs to be answered. >> the former president says questions still need to be answered. >> all the restraints that george w. bush showed toward barack obama it was admirable. i think the gloves are off when it comes to donald trump.
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partly he was putting it out there, but it also comes at an interesting moment, don. just when republicans, like the house intelligence committee chair is saying there's nothing here folks, nothing to investigate, the white house is saying, we don't need to go anywhere with this, there's nothing to investigate. here comes a former president saying, wait a minute, guys, we do need to investigate, i don't know if it's a special prosecutor, but we need answers. i thought that was a striking one. one that really reflects a lot of the frustration, and resemblance that the bush family bears toward the current president. >> thank you. >> see you guys soon. when we come back, president trump addressing congress for the first time in a matter of hours. we'll tell you what to watch out for. your insurance company
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president trump will make history in a matter of hours with his first address editor of the weekly standard. they're right here with me. good to have you. >> good to have you as well. let's talk about the address tomorrow. the theme he says is going to be
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renewal of the american spirit. do you expect the uplifting? >> now that he's been president for 5 1/2 weeks, there's no more carnage in america. america is on the road to greatness. these pictures to congress, he has to lay out his legislative agenda ah, that's what strikes me. it's been a phony war for the first five weeks, he's fighting the media, tweeting. if he's going to be a successful president, they pass legislation. you've seen in the last week, the notion that these republicans in congress have to go along. repeal and replace. it's become more problematic. they're a little anxious what are we supposed to be doing here. senior white house officials say
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he's working with speech writers. feedback has met with various tables on health care. do you think he'll be persuasive. >> details have not been his thing so far. but these legislators want to do things. the republicans have a majority after so many years they want to the president to tell them what he wants. every time they go off on their own, he pushes back. they failed in repealing obama care, he announced he wanted a replacement, that totally slowed it down. i think the democrats can really just sit back and see this kind of clash among republicans as good for us. they are having trouble getting it together.
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unless everybody gets really specific -- i don't think either one of those are going to happen. >> what is the heart of the republican agenda for the last five, six years. >> it's something i admire, curb the growth of entitlements. we can debate it, it's something it took courage for the republican party to say, we need to slow down the rate of growth of these popular programs. that's one thing donald trump is taking off the table. if you are not proud of your party for trying to do this, i don't think you appreciate how much of a blow this is to have the first republican president in eight years saying, forget about that, medicare reform. >> we saw paul ryan already come out of the white house and say, i consider obama karan entitlement. >> that's --
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>> you just took the words out of my mouth. >> they are afraid of him in so many ways. >> the president and republicans keep saying, we're going to repeal and replace obama care. that's their base, a lot of their base is on entitlements. people are realizing that obama care is -- the affordable care act and obama care are the same thing. i like the affordable care act but i don't like obama care, don't you think the rubber meets the road, and people are going to be listening. what are you going to do about health care? he's got to spell that out tomorrow night. >> governing is hard. and i think there are good obama care reforms, some of the conservatives don't like the idea of that. that's an entitlement. have you to make sure -- persuade parts of your party to go along. these republicans were elected on their own, before trump, they
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had more republicans in the house and senate ahead of trump. they don't owe that much to him. they want a republican president to succeed. the worst case is, nothing happens. the idea that they're going to accept what he says without being persuaded, brought in, having a lot of work. i don't think the white house has done the hard work of actual legislating. >> do you think these town halls have scared a lot of republicans, or made them think twice about health care? >> i think republicans on the hill are afraid of donald trump. they're also afraid of too radical an agenda. let's give the democrats some credit, let's give the resistance movement some credit. we have made it clear that the consequences of repealing obama care are significant. people actually like their health care, they like the provisions of obama care, and getting rid of it at your own
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peril. we're going to go down the road and see that in some other places. planned parenthood, they're not going to do this as easily as they thought they would. >> do you think they backed themselves into a corner with this language of repeal and replace? there are some bad things about obama care, there are some good things about it. why not improve what's there? >> they may end up doing that, obviously. philosophical elements of it, we retakened. pre-existing conditions and so forth. the rubber hits the road, not really tomorrow night, but after that. i guess -- i'm struck how much we've been caught up in the drama of the trump presidency, this is really the test, i mean, do you -- he wants to change america. we're going in the wrong direction. to change america, you have to pass legislation. >> 54% approval rating for obama care, that's the highest, right?
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the president's approval rating is at 44%, a record low for a new commander in chief. is there anything he can do tomorrow to improve that or say tomorrow to improve that snp. >> i'm surprised, it could be lower. >> you are surprised it's that high? >> yes, i think he's had a pretty poor transition in the first month. he's held voters -- he has to get, it's not hard to get some democratic votes. >> do you think he believes that? >> in my view, you can't govern if it you are just appealing to your base all the time. >> he keeps reaching out to the people who voted for him, which is maybe a shrinking number of people. there are going to be people who are dismayed to him. that's not helping him -- maybe he thinks because he goes and gets those big crowds, that his approval rating is higher than it is. >> i think that they're under the impression that it does not matter whether they grow their base, because they have a majority, they think. >> you want them to keep
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thinking that, though? >> keep going there, you have a stymied congress, and what you're going to have going-forward is a stymied congress. they're not going to be able to get things done at this stage if they keep going as they are. >> president obama had a huge majority and he lost the house two years later, there's a real risk of backlash. >> and republicans on the hill will do well to ignore him a little bit, and try to do their own thing. >> we'll all be watching tomorrow night, thank you. president trump's budget plan increases military spending by $54 million. how will he pay for it? you wto progress.move. to not just accept what you see, but imagine something new. at invisalign®, we use the most advanced teeth straightening technology to help you find the next amazing version of yourself.
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president set to deliver his first address to a joint session of congress tomorrow night. he promises his budget plan will be a big part of the speech. i want to bring in now steven moore, distinguished fellow who was a former senior economic adviser of the trump campaign. good evening to both of you, so glad to have you all, steve.
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white house officials are saying, the upcoming budget is going to include $54 billion in defense spending. >> this budget will be a public safety and national security budget, based on those two, with plenty of other things but very strong. it will include an historic increase to rebuild the depleted m military of the united states of america, at a time we most need it. we're going to do more with less, and make the government lean and accountable to the people. >> you know the question coming out of this, $54 billion, that's a 10% increase, the question is, how does he pay for it? >> well, that is the $64 billion question, you have to get the economy growing, that's for sure. you're not seeing a lot of the revenue growth we need, if
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donald trump can get gross at 3 1/2 to 4%. that will get more revenue. the priority of the federal government is to keep us safe, and to protect our national security. when he said, getting more for less, i think that the pentagon is capable of doing that as well. you have to look at other areas of the budget. you have to look at some of the domestic programs, one other thing, i was listening to your previous conversations about entitlement spending, some of your commentators were saying, all the money is in entitlements, a lot of the budget, 2/3 of it is these big entitlement programs, it is true that donald trump is tackling a big one. and you're going to see a lot of resistance from democrats on that, if we can't get rid of -- get some of the excesses of obama care out of the way, how are we going to deal with medicare and social security. >> austin wants to get in. the increase in defense spending
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is it going to be offset by massive cuts. you heard what steven just said, do you think this plan is realistic? >> no, of course not. all we're missing is a call to eliminate waste, fraud and abuse, and we'll pay for his programs with that. i would note that this budget is not a real budget, and that they're just putting magic asterisks in for the tax plan for the repealing of obama care. they're not even trying to get the numbers to add up. i think this is more of a political document. and that's okay. the budget comes out of congress. so the presidential guj ets are always more of a messaging document than they are an actual budget document. that is the most extreme it's ever been from what donald trump's about to outline. >> let's drill down on this. you can respond to what he said. the treasury secretary says the
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president's budget won't touch entitlement programs like we discussed like social security and medicare. white house officials say they're going to target the epa and state department. if you cut the entire epa. they're saying they're not because they hired a new epa person. that would only be $8 billion. can this work without going after big entitlement programs? >> well, probably you're going to need to start reforming these plans. again, look at how difficult it's been to find any consensus on rolling back the obama care plan, it's interesting don, i was on a cnn program earlier today. and one of the more liberal panelists said what we really need to do is expand medicare. that wasn't just the liberal panelist on cnn, that was the position of hillary clinton and bernie sanders, they wanted more social security spending. so show me -- i would ask austin and you, show me one democrat
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that will cut social security or medicare? you know, trump is -- what is he supposed to do? do this without a single democratic vote? >> now, hold on. >> austin, hold on. >> there's only one person i can think of in the republican party who has been the leader of the charge, let us never cut social security and not cut medicare, and that person is now the president of the united states. so if the republicans in congress that steve is a big fan of, they better start talking to the president, because as i say, the president's budget is not in anyway going to add up, it's not even intending to add up, he's just going to say i want to spend more on the military. and when they ask him how he's going to pay for it, he's going to abolish funding for public broadcasting, and defund planned parenthood. >> let me take that on for a minute, if i could.
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neither of you mention one democrat who wants to cut these programs, i don't see how you can do that without a single democratic vote, on this issue of waste, fraud and abuse, there was a study, as you know, that came out a year ago, under president obama that showed these were the federal auditors, that found $160 billion a year in fraudulent and erroneous payments, medicare, social security, medicaid, food stamps, and nobody in washington ever does anybody about it, yeah there are massive savings in getting rid of fraud and abuse in the federal program, most americans know that. if you ask the average american how much waste is there in federal spending. most people will tell you, 25 to 30 cents out of every dollar. i think they're right. there's a massive amount of fraud and waste and abuse, and duplication. >> look, if they're talking about cutting medicare by 25%, because they allege there's 25%
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waste, fraud and abuse, i would like to see them try it, what do you think is going to happen. i guarantee you. >> the white house office of management and budget. said that the budget outline doesn't take into account revenue projections from promised tax cuts or added spending on infrastructure, does in a make a difference? >> yes, because those are both things that are going to lose tremendous amounts of funding. that's my point, they're using magic asterisks. we're going to wave our hands and tell you that the budget will add up, and we're not even counting how much we're going to cut revenue for massive tax cuts that we're pausching. >> thank you, steve. thank you, austan. to be continued. we'll be watching tomorrow night. sorry to hear about the loss of your family, thank you for coming on this evening. and we respect your dad and thank you for his service. >> steven lost his father in chicago, and he was kind enough
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this is a story we've been following this weekend. president trump's revised travel ban is expected any day now. the first led to chaos across the country. one of the travelers is muhammad ali jr., son of muhammad ali. he joins me with his mother. you said call you mama ali. >> thank you all for joining us. >> that's good. >> they're saying this is not part of the travel plan, you believe it is part of the travel plan. you just landed in florida from jamaica, where you spoke at a black history event. you were there to retrieve your bags at baggage claim, and what happened, muhammad? >> i got off the plane. before we got our baggage the immigration guy came over to me and he was like, can i see you for a minute?
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i said, yeah, sure, no problem. so he asked me, what is your name? which i didn't think nothing of that. i told him muhammad ali, he said, so who gave you -- how did you get that name? i was like my mother and father named me. i was named after my father. so he said, okay, now, what is your religion? and i said, muslim, i'm a muslim. and i thought to myself, that's kind of odd. he asked about my religion and i'm traveling back into the country. >> did they take you away? >> yeah. they actually -- then what happened was, they took me in a room, and it was like they didn't believe me, because they asked me the same questions all over again. >> and they asked you what your religion was?
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>> yeah. >> what did you think? they split you up. >> i said, where is he going, we're traveling together? and they said, you'll meet him on the other side. i said, okay. and then they started asking me questions, and -- but i was really upset and petrified that they would split us up like that. >> you were questioned as well? >> i was detained as well, in a different room. >> what did they ask you? >> where was i born and what my religion was, where did i get the name from. >> and you showed a photo of yourself and your ex-husband -- >> it was a group of people that recognized me, and was getting autographs from me. at that time, i figured if i show i'm really muhammad ali's ex-wife, they would believe me and make it less problem. i never usually have a problem like that. and the guy -- it was almost
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like he didn't believe me, still. >> so chris, to you now, you're his attorney. >> he was coming from jamaica? >> montego bay. >> that's not one of the countries. >> can you claim it's part of the travel ban? >> when they're asking two separate travelers where did you get your name from? >> he's an american citizen, born in philadelphia. >> they both had valid passports. they're not being questioned together, they're being questioned by separate officers. you have two separate officers working the same flight, and asking those same kind of questions, that's part of a pattern, part of a program, no question about it, that isn't random, that's deliberate. and now we're getting all these e-mails, i got 50 e-mails the other day from muslim organizations and individuals. first they're asking, do i admit i'm a muslim or should i deny it when i come into the country?
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that's outrageous. >> how long were they held? >> about an hour and a half to two hours. >> by the time i got him back. >> and you know what, i honestly feel something was in place when we showed up, i think something -- i don't know whether the ban was here or there, i wasn't thinking about a ban, i'm not a foreigner, so it really doesn't matter. >> and you're -- >> but something was in place. >> you're not on any do not fly lists or nothing like that? >> no. >> it's not procedural or typical to be held that long? >> when you get into secondary, they can keep you for hours. you're basically theirs to do what they want. it's usually narcotics. miami is a huge transportation, but not for muslims. >> no criminal record, born in philadelphia. >> additional information, his driver's license, social security card. where is he, his mother's
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asking, he's saying he's muhammad ali's son. >> to ask about religion, are you supposed to do that? >> we have the establishment clause, equal protection, the row lidgeous freedom protection act, that's not proper. >> have you received any kind of explanation as to why this happened? >> no. i've travelled all over the world, from saudi arabia to jedha, and never been confronted like this before, i was unsafe in my own country. >> the only thing said was, they were doing their job, so if they were doing their job, you check everybody that gets off that plane. and ask them questions. not just random people. >> here's what they -- an ice official said that you, muhammad, that you were detained so they could identify you and your passport could be verified. they declined to provide any did additional details, but you were not muslim or had an arabic
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name. do you believe that? >> no, they didn't ask me anything about my passport, they asked me, what religion was i. that's nothing to do with the passpo passport. >> he just had his passport reissued. >> it's right there plain as day, my picture is it on it, birthdate, where i was born. what's there to collar phi. >> again, this muslim ban -- or this ban as they call it is on hold now, not even part of the seven countries, do you believe there is a ban on muslims? >> yes. >> i believe something's in place, whether they want to admit it or not. >> i think what they're doing is, they're profiling every muslim that comes in, and putting the information into the commuters, that's what we're getting, what mosque do you pray at, what do you read, and do you read the koran, what else do you
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read? these are the things that we're being told, i think these two just walked into that. >> are you planning legal ation? >> what do you want? >> what i really want, i want the people to -- at least the media to take muslim and islam off the terrorist act. terrorism has nothing to do with religion whatsoever. our religion means peace. all religions mean peace. no religion teaches you to hate and kill people. when you go beyond that, that's a criminal act. >> if you hear anything, let us know. >> i will. >> thank you so much. >> great to meet you. >> no problem. we'll be right back. if you're gonna make an entrance... [sfx: car driving upon the water]
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