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-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com words matter. especially for the president. this is "cnn tonight," i'm don lemon. president trump doubling down today on his ludicrous claim that his predecessor spied on him. joking to german chancellor angela merkel they have something in common, and that's wiretapping. the president also refusing to shoot down unproven claims first from fox news that british intelligence did the alleged spying for president obama. fox news repudiating that today. in all the wake of this, who can take the president at his word? our allies? leaders? american people? let's get to alice stewart,
charles blow, symone sanders, andre bauer, timothy naftali. long week. good evening. happy friday and st. patrick's day. start with you. alice, president versus everyone else. doesn't matter, republicans and democrats, intelligence committees, all saying wasn't wiretapped by the former president. what is going to convince this president to believe otherwise? >> i will not acknowledge he maybe stepped out of bounds on this one. look, as you say, everyone, house and senate, republicans and democrats have all said there's no there there. have report come out monday, comey probably confirming this. donald trump truly believes this happened. they will continue to stand behind what they see as news reports that indicate this happened, whether or not that's the case or not they will continue to stand by this. he's not one of these people who
will go back. like the old john wayne movie, don't apologize, shows sign of weakness. not going to apologize or back track, dead set on following through. >> believe it happened or saving face? >> did it happen? it didn't happen. >> does he truly believe it happen or is he saving face? >> i'm not sure what donald trump believes but fact he's willing to make not only himself but entire administration and spokespeople let them look absolutely ridiculous over these -- which are seemingly look like false claims is really baffling to me. so many more pressing things that donald trump can go to the mat for. but he's going to go out on a limb and die on the branch of wiretapping? i don't know why. >> today standing next to key ally in the white house, one of the most powerful women in the world. plenty of domestic and international issues that need attention and the president is having to field questions on a
controversy of his own making that he created. is this because he prefers battle mode instead of governing mode? >> it could be. i'm always trying to -- you know, i'm always wrestling with is donald trump making colossal mistakes all the time or is he playing some sort of three dimensional chess? distracting us from the obamacare replacement bill that looks to be a disaster with this? so it's really not clear. i would say, i think in general he does have a philosophy that says attack, counterattack, never apologize. and if you sort of buy into the argument that that is his lodestar, his guiding principles, he's being true to them. >> timothy. what do you want to say? >> i want to say that donald trump continues to act as if he were an outsider and yet he's at the center of it all. he could ask right now for a list of all fisa warrants, all the wiretaps and find out the answer.
he could find out and he could declassify it. he could go in front of the american people and say the obama justice department overreached and i have the evidence. >> why prove himself wrong. >> that's the point. point is didn't matter to him. i think he got mad. i think that morning he woke up. he had heard something and he decided to tweet about it. it made sense to him and now it doesn't matter to him whether he's right or not. what's amazing today is he was willing to continue a myth that affects our closest intelligence ally, the british government. this is unprecedented. so much happened today it was easy to miss. british government came out and said don't take what the white house has said seriously. that's never happened before. anglo american relations, particularly intelligence, really tight but this administration cares so little for those traditional relationships this happened. amazing. >> so andre, you and many other people defend the president.
if comey comes out on monday and says -- we gleaned from that there is absolutely nothing, what do you do? what does the president do? >> first off, we elected a commander in chief not an apologist in chief. only person in my lifetime as president i can remember apologizing was richard nixon. president obama didn't apologize when he got the youtube video in benghazi attack on the embassy. he didn't apologize for it even though we knew it was incorrect. donald trump is missing opportunity to talk about things that got him elected. i hope change the narrative, talk about the out of control nature of government in d.c. i thought mulvaney did a -- >> that's a great pivot but didn't answer my question. >> i did. number one. i think he has something there. we know the "new york times" on january 20th said wiretapping data -- >> that's not what "the new york
times" side. andre, read the story. fast not what it said. i have it here. right here as a matter of fact. >> "new york times" on january 20th, wiretap data used in inquiry. >> intercepted russian communications. part of inquiry into trump associates. never said anything about trump tower. never said anything about donald trump himself. said nothing about that. that's not what it says. i've read this before. only two times it mentioned wiretapping was in conjunction with sergey kislyak which is how flynn got caught up, monitoring russian people, or russian ambassador which is normal intelligence. said nothing about monitoring american citizen. second time, only mentioned wiretap twice, second time with jeff sessions said that jeff sessions who was at the time a nominee would be the only person in the government authorized to seek foreign intelligence wiretaps on american soil. mentioned twice. one talking about kislyak and other time saying only person
who would be able to authorize those in the future would be jeff sessions. this article does not say what you and other trump surrogates are saying that it says. it doesn't say that. >> and we know there was fisa requests as well. >> we don't know that. >> not going to get into that debate with you -- >> that's not true andre. you're also saying something that we don't know to be true as well. >> we still don't know how russia got involved in the elections or if they did. i know that narrative has been pushed, but we don't know. >> no we don't know. that's true. what everyone has been reporting. >> but again -- >> except the intelligence agencies do believe that russia influenced our election. but you still didn't answer the question. been defending the president, you and others. and the president has been saying that they believe there's wiretapping. sean spicer doing his dance on the podium in the white house press briefing room. on monday, what do you say if
comey comes out -- if and when it is believed he is going to come out and say there's nothing there. what do you say? >> well maybe he's got another shoe to drop? maybe he has information. if he didn't, he needs to focus back on what the american people sent him there. i don't think if i were him i wouldn't keep acknowledging this or pushing this narrative. i'd talk about the budget. i would focus on issues where the country wants to go. where the average person watching this isn't fixuated on wiretapping, whether their income is going to go up and whether their kids get a better education. >> exactly. >> everybody agrees with you on that. >> exactly. >> charles? how do you respond to that? >> first, can i just say i find it absolutely delicious that these very same people who called the "new york times" the failing "new york times" and fake news were bending over backwards to try to use the "new
york times" to deflect against this man's lies and deceptions. it's -- i've been chuckling for a week as they have tried to use the "new york times" as a defense. listen, what i find most troubling about this person, this president, who i genuinely feel is abomination as a person. flawed in character ways. but that not only is his lying pathological but it's unrepentant. that he is incapable of accepting truth when it is presented to him, that he will defend a lie with a bigger lie, and what does that say on all levels of our society and our standing in the world? what does that say to our children being taught not to be bullies or tell lies? what does that say to the senior class president at whatever high
school or person studying political science in college about how you conduct business as a politician and an american president and leader? what does that say to our people in the field around the world who are soldiers who are confronting other populations of people and looking at them saying what is happening at your home country? this is really incredibly dangerous. it would please me -- nothing would please me more than to have this man no longer be president. but as long as he is, what is the damage that he is doing and is that damage reversible? >> when we come back, we will talk about credibility in the white house. and one of the panelists says it's not just spinning, but it is spreading poison. who is it? we'll discuss after this.
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panel said this was spreading poison. any idea who it might be? timothy naftali. so you write in your new op ed on cnn.com you said there is spin and then there is spreading poison. spicer's encouragement of public delusions of the existence of supersecret unelected deep state supposedly intent on sabotaging the new president is poisonous. why do you say that? >> because he's standing in the white house, behind a podium, speaking for the head of state of the united states, and he's saying to people -- >> head of the world. >> the world didn't elect him. but saying to americans, you know what, we don't really control what our government does. if you're fearful of black helicopters and uncontrolled, unelected, super secret state, we're afraid too. that's about as reckless and
irresponsible statement as one has ever heard in the white house. the one thing you want americans to understand is we have a constitutional system. when we elect a president, whether you like him or not, he's in control of the executive part of this system. this administration keeps acting as if they're outsiders looking in. they control it. they control the intelligence community. they should know if there are wiretaps and they should know. sean spicer is perpetuating a myth about existence of a deep state that conspiracy theorists talk about and never prove it because doesn't exist. >> you have been a spokesperson for several different candidates. part of the job is to defend your candidate, to defend the person you work for. what do you think? >> sean is doing his job. tremendous respect for sean. it's difficult job. he's face and voice for the president and doing and saying exactly what the president wants him to do and say.
look, we can't forget the fact trump has been like this from the day he came down the escalator. he has said things that are factually challenged and disparaging. he did to my former boss and friend heidi cruz. but that being said, the republican base, the people he is appealing to will stand by him throughout all of this. the biggest concern, though, charles mentioned, what does this say? the biggest take away from today was the look on angela merkel's face when he tried to compare the two of them having their phones tapped. look on her face without a word said spoke volumes. another world leader looking at president of the united states knowing what he is saying doesn't hold water. that's a big concern. >> i have to ask at what point though -- at what point does someone like you, when you are the representative and you have been a spokesperson too at what
point do you go, i just can't do this anymore? >> i did it one time yeah. i say as spokesperson your credibility is extremely important. what sean spicer has done -- i know sean, he's great guy but what he's done, every day stands up there desecrates the podium with i don't know, maybe, and often times lies. and that is the most credible podium in the world. so it's sad. so you as a spokesperson you have to have a line. there we all know the line for our personal selves. some things we aren't going to do and say. i wouldn't sign up to be spokesperson for anybody like donald trump. for those people that do, you have to know your line. you have to get the principle's point across without crossing your credibility. when asking if something is true and comparing to president's tweets and you at podium no longer a very credible source we are in trouble. >> matt, remember the republican
convention, i remember seeing sean at the cnn grill and joking. sean was the my sparkle pony guy. remember that? regarding melania trump and plagiarism. he said it's in my sparkle pony. i thought that that would be the thing that he would say i can't do that anymore. at what point when you're a spokesperson do you say i can't really continue to spin something the intelligence community says is not there? do you get there or continue fighting for your guy? >> man, i tell you what, i think it's really tough. i think that, you know, i keep trying to get out, they keep pulling me back in. you know? once you make the deal with the devil that says okay, we can control this guy, we can -- you know, he's eccentric but we can rein him in. it will be okay. i'll get to be press secretary. that's a great -- how many
people -- that's an awesome job. what you dream of if you're at rnc doing press, dream job is white house press secretary. you have golden opportunity but then every day you have to go out and basically -- it's one humiliation after the other. i don't know. i think at this point it's like self caused. he's already done this to himself. >> in the bunker now. >> stick it out for a year, probably. i would put something on my calendar and tell my family you know -- because you do have to think about your family. is this -- do you want to be remembered -- do want your family and your kids, is this what you want to be remembered for? on this date a year from now i would say i will step down and we'll go to hawaii or wherever and i will never do this again. >> i can't wait for the book though, sean. that's probably where the family will surely have some very easy nights with the proceeds from a book, i'm sure.
got to ask you andre, not just democrats looking for apology from the president. growing chorus from your own party. from the president's own party. here's conservative congressman, tom cole. >> i see no indication that that's true. it's not a charge i would have ever made. frankly, unless you can produce some pretty compelling proof, then i think the president, you know, president obama is owed an apology in that regard. >> so andre, i think you can safely assume that the president will not apologize, but do you think it's going to strain his relationship at all or his ability to get things done with the folks on capitol hill? >> i don't believe so. i think he has a clear message. i think the people are still behind him that wanted substantial change in washington. and i think the folks in washington are a little concerned about donald trump's popularity and him going into their district and uniting folks to say we want something done back in washington. i think at the end of the day they'll be much more concerned
about that than anything else. >> charles, he's expended a lot of political capital on this. do you think it matters so much when you have republican house and senate and you're in the white house, do you think it matters that much? i know you and others are wondering when, as you say, responsible republicans will step forward and not allow this anymore. >> number one rule in politics is self-preservation, love it or not, that's the rule. so the moment that donald trump's behavior, his words, his actions, start to endanger other republicans or at least they start to believe that their own survival is in danger by his behavior, his action, his words, at that moment they will turn on him like a pack of wolves. that's the way politics works. it's not a pretty game. it's not always even a principled game. they now believe they can get something out of him. they believe if they put
something on his desk, he'll sign it. they believe if there's supreme court justice opening in attention to the one that's already open, will appoint someone they will approve of. that is what they are banking on. the moment they feel like their own majorities in the house or in the senate are in danger, the closer we get to the mid-terms of 2018 if these people keep showing up at these town halls and they start to get nervous you will see them turn on him. that's the way politics works. >> i have to go. up next, president trump's words, what he says and what he really means. lots of wrinkle creams believe the more mysterious they sound, the more... powerful you'll think they are. it's time to see what power really looks like. new neutrogena® rapid wrinkle repair with accelerated retinol sa. clinically proven to reduce wrinkles in just one week. wrinkles? your time is up! rapid wrinkle repair. and for dark spots. rapid tone repair.
president trump standing by his wiretapping accusation, still without offering any proof. during his meeting with german chancellor angela merkel saying they had something in common, referring to the revelation a few years back that u.s. intelligence had tapped her phone. joining me john mcwhorter. the host of a slate podcast lexicon valley. i'll have to listen. congratulations on the podcast. >> please do.
>> let's talk about the administration and how they twist words. president trump tweeted four tweets speaking specifically about wiretapping. sometimes in quotes john, sometimes not in quotes. so what's going on? >> well, you know, this is a man who isn't in on the contract that we assume that a president would be. we all are in on a contract that small pieces of decorated paper constitute money. it's just assumed. we also assume that somebody who is president of the united states is going to understand that his communications are going to be very carefully examined and that he should communicate very precisely. he should know what he means and be precise about it. that's not what he thinks about it. what you see with trump's way of speaking is not mania as the popular notion. it's more mundane than that. he's not precise.
human beings are hard wired to process one, two or three things. beyond three, human beings are not processing six and 42 easily. all of that is artifice. math is an artifice. trump processes things with a lack of precision and demonstrates somebody who isn't president of the united states, rather than someone who is unevolved. not going to say that. when he says wiretapping, what he meant was somebody was listening in on him in some capacity and he has vague reason to suppose, so, never mind any of the sources he's using. that's another aspect of unevolved. he does have some sense he might need to qualify the things he might realize are a little outrageous after he sends the tweet. a little. i don't know how precisely he understands how outrageous. so he has this idea that you can
put something in quotation marks. >> okay. >> irony is a nice way to indicate you didn't really mean something. his is more -- allows him to get away with having just erupted with a yul up. >> you don't think it's something he went back, i meant wiretapping in quotes. and specifically wiretap my phones at trump tower. and he said that twice. but then 11 days later, the president offered this defense. watch this. >> i've been reading about things. i think january 20th a "new york times" article talking about wiretapping. there's an article, i think used that exact term. i read other things. i watched your friend bret baier the day previous where he was talking about certain very complex sets of things happening. and wiretapping. i said, wait a minute there's a lot of wiretapping being talked about. don't forget when i say wieb re,
those words were in quotes. really covers -- wiretapping is old-fashioned stuff. really covers surveillance and many other things. nobody talks about it was in quotes, but that's a very important thing. but wiretap covers a lot of different things. i think you'll find interesting items coming to the forefront in next two weeks. >> so is he trying to change the meaning -- exam the language there. because -- it doesn't mean it's necessarily he's telling the truth, you know, or trying to change what he said. is he trying to change it or not telling the truth? >> what he's trying to say is what your garrulous uncle would say as in i was just talking. which doesn't mean it had no content whatsoever but he means i wasn't being precise. and that's not something that he does. he felt he was overheard and surveilled and people ask him well what exactly do you mean? do you think president obama
ordered, et cetera, et cetera. then he has to say, well it's just in quotation marks. what he means is i wasn't being pri pre size and speaking in a very general way. >> but what is extraordinary, as president of the united states his words mean a lot and has to have people come up behind him to cover it up or explain what they think he meant or what he says he meant or just to try to fix what he said. case in point sean spicer at a press briefing this week. >> are you saying that the president still stands by his allegation that president obama ordered wiretapping or surveillance of trump tower despite the fact that the senate intelligence committee says they see no indication that it happened? does the president still stand by the allegation. >> no -- >> he stands by it. you're misinterpreting what happened today. >> you're misquoting sean hannity. the house and senate intelligence communities -- >> i get you're going to cherry pick. >> you're citing sean hannity.
>> you also overlook the other sources because you want to cherry pick it. no, no. you do. but where was your concern about "the new york times" reporter? you didn't have a concern about that? >> we've done plenty of reporting on all of this. >> you want to cherry pick. one piece of commentary. mischaracterizing what chairman nunes said. he said i think it's possible that he is following up on this. to suggest this -- you're stating unequivocally. >> said if you take the president literally, he's wrong. >> i think we cleared that up. but the president has already said clearly when he referred to wiretapping he was referring to surveillance. >> been trying to make sense of that. not making fun of sean spicer but trying to make sense of that for 24 hours. this is the term -- have you heard of word salad? is that appropriate here? i'm serious. >> that poor, poor man is trying to translate what our 12-year-old president has spewed into something that resembles
responsible political discourse and it's impossible. basically what we say is this and i think it extends somewhat to spicer. part of the contract that we assume is that the president of the united states understands that some sources are more reliables than others there's bias on both sides. but let's face it, with he all learn that starting in late elementary school, that takes a certain concentration, the president doesn't have much concentration, not great with that. but to the extent he can't be completely unaware but once he's caught in it, let's face it, testosterone kicks in, doesn't want to look bad. and so you end up playing these kinds of verbal games where the idea is to be able to have the last word. and, don, the tragic thing is that that is the nature of political discourse from this white house. it's just a linguistic sand box. sadly it's not more than that. >> does it say anything about intelligence?
the way he uses language or i guess anyone uses the use of language? >> wow, it's funny don. because we're reluctant. we as linguists or academics to draw any kind of link between articulateness and intelligence. so i'm going to say this. donald trump is not particularly articulate in a sophisticated way but on the other hand he's very articulate in terms of communicating with a crowd, in terms of vernacular charisma. he's got a certain native intelligence there. but in terms of his sense of how to handle information, in terms of his lack of concern with precision. you can be vernacular and very precise. just listen to monologue by chris rock to see that. in terms of his primitiveness in basically just indulging in a pissing contest once he's been shown wrong, i would say that in that one seems to see lesser reasoning power.
i don't think that it occurs to him that he might want to step up his game in that. when it comes to using language and dealing with what we might call truth conditions. >> talk about how it affects even possible legislation. because we saw this week with the new travel ban, that the president's words have major consequences. federal judge that issued restraining order against enforcement of parts of the travel ban, quoted libly from president trump and his supporters in the ruling. president trump when he was candidate. i think islam hates us. and july of 2016 as candidate. he said people were so upset when i used the word muslim. i'm okay with that, talking territory instead of muslim. seems like strongest arguments from blocking the ban come directly from the president's mouth and from also people in his administration. what do you make of that? power of language? >> i don't think he's going to change, but you know, let me try
to be a little sunnier in this. it might be as time passes, give it a year, year and a half as he realizes that things he says are going to be segmented and have effects on other people and sometimes grisly effects, just maybe best case scenario, realize he has to be more careful how he speaks in public and hone articulate vernacular style. it will be interest for he got a speech writer. this is something i would suggest to the administration, a speech writer who is good at honing an articulate vernacular style so he can read from the a teleprompter so that he can understand that you can't just run your mouth as president of the united states as opposed to being on a tv show. >> would it help if he had cards when he wanted to get specific things across? actually said that -- and just sort of -- >> he must never be allowed, whenever anything is serious, he must never be allowed to take
his eyes away from pre-vetted, printed words. >> yeah. >> i would think that that would be a very good idea and maybe he would understand that. >> here's an example. look at this. >> these kinds of options can be a positive alternative to a four year degree. so many people go to college four years, don't like it, not necessarily good at it but good at other things like fixing engines and building things. i see it all the time and i've seen it. when i went to school i saw it. i sat next to people that weren't necessarily good students but they could take an engine apart blindfolded. companies across the country have a chance to develop vocational training programs to meet their growing needs and help us achieve greater prosperity. >> that was an example of an on script and off script. what do you make of the two together? >> would be a little bit more comfortable to have less of the off script. i mean, he could have these
things checked. he really should have it all prepared beforehand. and it doesn't have to not sound like him but he shouldn't improvise. just now thinking -- i hadn't seen that clip, what in the world is he about to insult or get wrong, please look back down. many public figures would never have dreamed of speak off the cuff in that way. think of lyndon johnson. he needs to not take a cue from modern informality and perhaps have occasional moment of a certain kind of eloquence. >> because he's playing from his strong side which is what you said. you said vernacular -- >> >> vernacular charisma. >> now needs to build up weaker side with more -- >> truth conditions would work. >> being more scripted. >> it could be in the vernacular. so he could be himself and yet stop screwing up the country and the world. >> be more effective communicator and president. i wonder how much of people's language comes from how they relate to books?
and i ask you because i want you to take a look at this comparison. president barack obama and president trump both talking about books. first barack obama, says gives me a sense of perspective, i think toni morrison's writings, particularly "song of solomon" is a book i think of when i imagine people going through hardship that it's not just pain but there's joy and glory and mystery. and president trump asked about reading and he said in part this is a quote. well you know, i love to read, actually i'm looking at a book. i'm reading a book. i'm trying to get started. every time i do about half a page i get a phone call that there's some emergency. this or that. what is the difference between the two presidents? >> he doesn't read. he should not pretend that he does. most human beings don't read. however, the printed word gives you certain things. it gives you the extended argument which is very difficult if you're just talking. the printed word allows you to
look at it again. the printed word makes you think more about precision than speech. printed word is a very important human invention. now barack obama had the advantage of being a print person. donald trump doesn't. but he needs to understand that virtues that you get from print, that reflectiveness and certain precision is something he needs to cultivate in a different way. >> thank you john mcwhorter. always a pleasure. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back. of bad s for a 100% fresh mouth. feeling 100% means you feel bold enough to... ...assist a magician... ...or dance. listerine®. bring out the bold™
not quite two months into the trump administration and we've already seen more crisis than just about anyone could have predicted. here to discuss now is david gregory, author of "how's your faith"? my faith is doing okay right now. thank you for asking. talking about words but let's talk about actions. when you look at this week in the white house, how much damage do you think has been done to the president's agenda with all that's happened? >> i start with worrying about the president's credibility or the credibility of the presidency and america's credibility.
and we have to think about this in terms of what the needs are of america as we move forward. you have a secretary of state who has been in north korea -- not in north korea but in the south talking about north korea and an impending crisis there between the united states and that regime. so when you are sitting upon the world stage in the way america does and you have a president who has tweeted claims that are utterly false and been rebuked for them but stands behind them, credibility suffers, his, the president's, america's. and when you have to engage support around the world, word of the united states matters. if it's been undercut you have to worry about the damage. in terms of agenda, what about political capital. how much political capital is being spent on false claims like wiretapping that could be spent on advancing his own agenda from health care to tax reform and other things.
>> very well said. talk about "finding jesus" now, as part of the coverage you went to nazareth to see this for yourself. tell me about it. >> you know, it it's so interesting to go to holy land, to go to israel and to go to the holy sites. i'm a jew but for christians as well to engage in the pilgrimage and for me to go on a pilgrimage which i did in support for this terrific series, in search for the historical jesus, jesus of as nazareth, you have to go to the home, the place steeped in history and faith where the bible tells us the anonation happened. it's teeming city now, doesn't evoke a lot of what the biblical era was like unless you know where to look.
>> the city of nazareth, nestled in the galileien hills, home to almost 70,000 people. it's hard to imagine it is the small first-century town where jesus grew up. now largely an arab city, then it was a mostly uninhabited jewish settlement. today's market harkens back to the town's agricultural roots. >> i grew up here, go through the alleyways and feel connected to this place. history of the holy family. >> a tour guide with a background in archeology shows us how to find layers of history stretching back more than 2,000 years beneath this modern city. at sisters of nazareth convent, underground discovery provides tantalizing clues to the childhood of jesus. was this where he spent his early years? >> one of the gardeners cleaning
a cistern and discovered under the convent a unique place with significant findings from the time of jesus. >> writings from a seventh century bishop refer to church built on the spot where jesus is said to have grown up. >> he says there is a church where our lord was nourished, grew up, next to a pure water spring where the people moved the water by means of wheels. they could really see the signs or tracks in the marble above the spring. the sisters found here a lot of byzantine and mosaic stones and also some pieces kept in the mud of the vestments. >> along with the underground arches discovery of ancient church built at this spot but only in the past ten years have furtheresque variations revealed signs of an actual home here. >> this is a home.
dating to first century. inside of the house and that's the door. >> and discovery of a tomb covered with a rolling stone specific to the time of jesus. >> they have found the stone closed. >> raised the possibility this could be where jesus spent his younger years. christian pilgrims come to nazareth to reflect on jesus and his family here. and they read the gospels, which speak powerfully of divine presence. it is in this ancient city where we come upon one of christianity's most important moments. it is here according to the gospel of luke that the angel gabriel comes to speak to mary and tells her she will have a son and his name will be jesus. >> church of the anunciation marks where the faithful believe this took place. and is visited by pilgrims from all over the world.
catholics believe the ancient cave inside the church was mary's home. >> when you read the encounter that took place there between mary and the angel, sense of god's direct intervention in the course of human history. >> a matter of belief in a city where the pilgrim comes to experience ancient evidence of holiness. >> beautifully done. david, do you think this series gets us closer to understanding who gentleman us is was? >> the search for the historical jesus which is at the heart of the series there is a distinct sense of place that connects us to the historical jesus does do a lot. a lot of questions and mystery, but an emphasis on understanding jesus the man. jesus of nazareth. not necessarily jesus the christ, as what christians believe is god. and so that part i think is so interesting because it begins to unravel and lay out for people
what the beginning of his ministry was like, what challenges he faced and the kind of example he would be. and i think that's what is powerful when you bring a city loo that is to look at the city that lies beneath and brings people closer to the evidence of what their faith really is. >> i enjoy having you on. appreciate that. finding jesus. 9:00 eastern and pacific. we'll be right back. listerine® kills 99% of bad breath germs for a 100% fresh mouth. feeling 100% means you feel bold enough to... ...assist a magician... ...or dance. listerine®. bring out the bold™
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