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happening now, the failure in health care and the blame game. >> the people who are to blame are the people who didn't vote yes. >> this bill didn't pass because it didn't deal with the most fundamental flaw in obamacare. >> trump tweeting today it's the fault of conservative republican groups. >> i can tell you, no one has been more self-critiquing than my, than me. >> this conversation should be more about the people whose lives are going to be impacted by our decisions on their health care. we did not have enough of a substantive discussion. >> never once have i seen him blame paul ryan. >> but ultimately, i don't think you can blame this bill on any single person in the house of representatives. >> this is not the end of the debate. it's like saying tom brady lost at halftime. >> "cnn newsroom" starts now. thank you for watching this
sunday. i'm fredericka whit nooefield. the finger pointing is happening here with the conservative freedom caucus and other gop groups at fault for the bill failure saying they saved planned parenthood and obamacare. athena jones is covering this for us. she is a republican source telling cnn that the president and speaker ryan did speak yesterday for more than an hour. and that their relationship is stronger than ever. and i understand that paul ryan's people say that they spoke again today? >> reporter: that's right. they did speak again this morning. yesterday the president tweeted what was effectively a promo for a fox news show airing at 9:00, the show of judge jeanine pirro.
they were talking about the wiretapping details that would come out. those didn't emerge in new news on that topic, but what did emerge is judge jeanine pirro in her opening statement last night in her show calling on house speaker paul ryan to step down as house speaker because of his failure to deliver the votes for this repeal effort. that, of course, raised a lot of questions about what the president was talking about, was that a coincidence? and so we learned today through my colleague, ali malloy, speaking with paul ryan's spokesman, who said that paul ryan and the president spoke again today and that the president was clear his tweet had nothing to do with the speaker. they are both eager to get back to work on the agenda. and that's the message we have been hearing from the white house the last several days. the president when asked whether he has confidence in speaker ryan, whether he's doing a good job says, yes, they have not been putting the blame on the house speaker for this failure.
we heard more of that from the chief of staff, reince priebus, speaking on "fox news sunday" this morning. watch. >> so does he want paul ryan to step down or no? >> no, he doesn't. and he's talked to paul ryan yesterday for about an hour. he believes what he said in the oval office on friday. he doesn't blame paul ryan. in fact, he thought paul ryan worked really hard. he enjoys his relationship with paul ryan. he thinks that paul ryan is a great speaker of the house. >> so very kind words coming from the chief of staffer and others in the white house. but the big question here going forward, fred, the proof is in the pudding. can the white house work well with speaker ryan and with the entire republican caucus in the house and in the senate in the end to get done some of the big things they want to get done. and we'll just have to wait and see if they can. >> athena jones, thank you. so. let's discuss with our panel now, jeffrey lorde and the democratic national
committeeman. hello, the el l hello. jeffrey, let's begin with you. the president likes to call himself the closer and to make deals. should he be to blame for not closing this deal on health care? >> no, i don't think this is over by a long shot. this is like tom brady saying he's lost at halftime. there's a long way to go. i'm looking over here at a trump book called "never give up." which he is pretty relentless. >> well, nobody doubts that he is persistent, but he has already placed blame on the democrats at first. and then he talked about conservative groups on the hill. should he be accepting some of the blame because some of the criticism is he didn't even know much about the details of the plan. he didn't get out and campaign on behalf of the plan. >> right, in all candor here, what is happening in the republican-controlled house is the current or modern version of what has been going on in the republican party since teddy
roosevelt split with william howard taft or barry goldwater as a republican moderate or ronald reagan and gerald ford. in other words, you have conservatives on one hand and the moderate or establishment on the other side. and over the years this has come forward in issue after issue. today it's health care. but it has been many, many, many other issues. this has been a longstanding battle. and clearly, it's going on still. >> do you see him changing his strategy? i mean, if he's moving forward on tax reform, infrastructure or even comes back to health care, do you think this was one of the lessons that he's going to have to reach out more, have a more conciliatory tone as opposed to the way he runs his business by delegating and essentially threatening people? >> it is -- it's different to some degree, but i really do have faith in him. he's a good negotiator.
but, some of these things take time. and clearly, what astonishes me, and it has nothing to do with the president, these folks were there in congress moerks of t, for seven years after repealing obamacare. you would have thought they were all together, republicans, conservatives, moderates, have a consensus bill and stood on the steps of the capitol the day after inauguration to say, this is a package, we're ready to go. that was a huge mistake. >> robert, real quick. >> fred, if i can point out, this has everything to do with the president. not only has his antics and behavior put him at a record low, 37% approval rating, he supported and footed the bill with the support of only 17% of the american people. and when you've got republicans in congress claiming that republicans no less said his bill was a glorified tax cut for the rich, this shows he never understood the concepts nor did he build the time to build a coalition, not just amonk
democrats but amongst republicans. so very frankly, i understand jeffrey is trying to get the president to pass this at the end of the day, this is all about donald trump and his failure to lead and to spend at least 17 days on health care and over promising along the way. >> and some of the cnn reporters have learned that some of those members of congress who were in the room with the president said that he couldn't even articulate, really, you know, what the plan was all about. meantime, there has been conservative media that has been very critical of paul ryan saying that he needs to step down. well, the budget director, nick mulvaney, had this to say earlier. >> i have been in the room in the oval office with the president and with the speaker more in the last days than i have thought. i have never seen the president for a second try to blame paul ryan. >> so, robert, how does this kind of set the stage for the relationship between the president and the house speaker moving forward?
>> well, let's understand, first a little bit of history when donald trump engaged in re cyst comments about a sitting federal judge over one of the lawsuits, speaker ryan called him out for class classic -- he felt that ryan paul didn't want to see him win. so it was not a healthy relationship going in. but now that the president has to engage in twitter rants where he's attacking other members of congress and promoting judge jeanine's television show where judge jeanine calls for paul ryan's removal, it is worth noting that while he's now saying he wasn't trying to do that, where is the text from donald trump, in fact, pointing out that he supports paul ryan and doesn't jeanine? >> well, the two of them did have another phone call or conversation today. i am hearing that the president
is in support of paul ryan. i mentioned the report we have been seeing from our own folks trying to describe what has been happening in the room, you know, prior to get this up. this is some of what was said, that reportedly president trump said, why am i even talking to you when it was representative charlie dent who said, he wasn't necessarily on board. i mean, some very colorful language being used, jeffrey, so it really sets the stage -- >> i bet there was. >> yeah, it paints the picture that the president was, a, unable or unwilling to do any arm twist iing. how is he going to govern this way? >> well, i'm not sure all that
is accurate, but i do think he's going to roll up his sleeves and has the ability to reach back to a president. very munch in the trenches and never hesitates to talk to people. if you notice him, he talked to the president three times in one week and the vice president twice. that's not the mark of somebody unwilling to get his hands dirty here. so i do think you'll see more of that. >> robert? >> well, you know something, jeff? if the strategy is to overpromise, remember, he was doing trumpcare on day one. it was going to be more extensive coverage at a lower price. and, in fact, the bill cut funding to cover chemotherapy, psychiatric care and pediatric care. it's the overpromising and failing to understand the details of the bill that became the problem. but if you think this was fun, see how you are going to get mexico to pay for the wall. i'm looking bard to that.
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the white house achiechief staff reince priebus is reacting for the call to take over the probe right now. >> i think we let the house committee do its job and see what they come up with. by the way, they are not going to come up with anything. i have already been told. i've been on this show, i'm not making this stuff up. every single person that has been briefed by the intelligence community has come back to the sticks and told the press, we have been told, there's no --
>> you say sticks is a reference to microphones? >> there's no truth to the allegation that there is some sort of collusion between the trump campaign and russia. >> this as free former campaign aides are volunteering to testify in front of the committee. one of them, roger stone. and he's speaking out today, defending his controversial contact with the online hacker. last week stone admitted to communicating with gucifer 2.0, the online outfit who claims responsibility for hacking the democratic national committee. nevertheless, stone continues to deny any collusion with the russian government. >> the inference that my communication, actually my exchange with guccifer, which is entirely on the public, that constitutes exchange with the russians is absurd. >> our intelligence officials
believe he was. >> i understand. they also said that hussein had weapons of mass destruction. just because the intelligence services say something as we know from history does not make it clear. >> so you're confident that -- >> let's finish with guccifer. my communication with her into entirely public, if. >> the panel is back with us, jeffrey lord and robert zimmerman. roger stone says he's being completely transparent. when he does go before that committee, what would the questions be that you would have for him? >> you know, i have to tell you, if they were filming a movie about dirty tricksters, they would cast roger stone in a joe peche role. why is roger stone talking to
guccifer in the first place? what is the rational? how did he know that john podesta was going to be in trouble. let's be clear, when ryan prebust -- reince priebus was -- >> he was on the transition team so there is trust. >> there's no trust for chairman nunes to conduct himself in a professional manner. that's where you have people like john mccain and congressman adam schiff calling for the independent investigator. and quite frankly we need a special prosecutor. >> jeffrey, roger stone was also saying that, you know, intel is wrong. that the guccifer 2 is not a russian problem.
>> i have known roger stone for decades. and i know he's controversial, but i can tell you one thing roger is not and he's not treasonous. that's for sure. you can agree or disagree with him, but committing treason is never something roger stone would do, number one. number two, a bit of news here, i was contacted last night by one of these individuals, carter page, who sent me a letter that he is now -- >> who is also volunteering to testify. >> yes. and he was asking congress mman nunes asked him to be testifying. he said he's been defamed. i had that published at spectator.org which is the website for the american spectator. he wants to be called and paul manafort. i think they aught to open this
wide open. find out who is doing the leaks here. let's get everybody in here. john podesta, who allegedly had ties to russians. let's get the whole barrel in there and see what is it. >> the former trump campaign adviser, the house intelligence committee chairman, devin nunez has been in trouble with the white house, talking it over with his committee. this is what has been said about all of his behavior this year on the committee. >> my concern is taking this information to the white house, when the white house is the subject of an investigation, i think the chairman has to make a decision whether to act as a surrogate of the white house as he did during the campaign and the transition. or to lead an independent and credible investigation. i hope he chooses the latter. the country really needs to have
an independent investigation in the house. >> so jeffrey, i know you just said, let it all out there. everybody needs to be on board, but is there already a problem because of nunez's behavior. >> well, democrats were saying, donald trump is the president. all he has to do is pick up the phone and ask people what is going on in these investigations. he has every reason to do that. >> that was after his allegations of wiretapping. >> i say they would immediately say he's trying to influence the investigation. in essence, this is exactly what just happened. >> this is different make iing we did find out.
go ahead, robert. >> we did find out, jeffrey. it's been confirmed by the fbi, the department of justice, by the intelligence community, that president trump was, in fact, lying when he said he was wiretapped by president obama. so there's no -- this was a lie and is scandalous. >> you heard that from james comey, all of them said, it's not, but reince priebus continues to act as president for donald trump. >> and that information should be held confidentially. he's trying to diminish the public's right to know and what is the public discourse. and we have to ask the question of why. he's not fit to chair this committee. >> i certainly would agree we need to get it out there.
and i'm sure bob would agree it's time to get president obama to testify in public. and every member of the white house staff and administration that touched classified information that was leaked. >> that's probably not going to happen, jeffrey. >> nor should it. >> you have heard from clapper and brennan upcoming, too. >> on top of what we have heard from the attorney general live before his committee, when he was up for confirmation hearings. carter paige has lied about the relationship with russia. so a series of individuals have not told the truth. >> thank you, gentlemen. good to see you. >> good to be with you. still ahead, iraqis are forceded to be human shields in booby-trapped houses while i sirks -- iraqi soldiers and
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investigating exactly what happened and, quote, will continue to take extraordinary measures to avoid harming civilians. there are allegations that air strikes between march 17th and the 23rd killed hundreds of civilians in west mosul. the los angeles times reporter who visited the scene of one of the biggest air strikes describes what she saw. >> there were some areas where homes were just completely destroyed in the rubble. so we had to sort of pick our way through. and we could see parts of people still stuck under the rubble, hands, feet, there were some remains that were wrapped in blankets. most of them that they had retrieved they put in body bags. and the body bags, they unzipped some of them to show that some of the victims were women, including at least one pregnant woman and children. there were some babies as well. >> cnn's senior international
correspondent arwa damon is inm. and i'm joined by a cnn military analyst and army commander general. arwa, i want to begin with you, what are you hearing about the investigation there in iraq? >> reporter: well, it's obviously still ongoing, but this is what we have been able to put together when it comes to at least one of the strikes that took place. according to one of the local terrorism commanders, and it was in his area where this happened, as they were pushing forward, as this was happening, a truck they believed was and certainly appeared to be a suicide truck bomber was moving toward forces. and that is when at least one of these air strikes was call in. the strike did hit the truck and in the process and the size of the explosion that was then generated, that seems to have caused some of the homes in at least this one area to collapse.
we spoke to an eyewitness who lived a few houses down from where this all took place, describing a pretty terrifying scene. and he said that as he was fleeing with his family, they could hear people screaming, "please save us, we're still alive." according to one particular house there, were six families taking shelter because the families can't leave. isis is holding them hostage. and sometimes the best they can do is try to get together in what they believe to be is going to be the strongest structure. but as we know, only too well, it is almost impossible to try to protect yourself in these circumstances. >> it's a horrible situation. some amark hurdling, what do yo make of the news just in that more u.s. troops are heading to mosul? what would be the assignment? the number in the low hundreds, what do you envision here? >> this has been anticipated for a long time, fredericka.
it's considerations for additional requirements in advising the soldiersle. as the forces continue their efforts within mosul and the battle for west mosul, it's going to continue to be a tough one, especially in the northwestern region. i have spent a lot of time on this. but as they get more and more forces into the area, they'll have more and more requirements for advise and assist missions. they will have more spotters and counter terrorism officials with forces that really aren't used to doing those kinds of things. the u.s. forces will make sure that one or three or five of the u.s. forces will get support. >> will they be more welcomed to have support there? and what are they facing in western mosul to describe what they are up against?
>> reporter: well, first of all, the u.s. military presence, it's not all that visible to the iraqi population. when it comes to the iraqi military, they have always been asking for more support and presumably this is also happening as part of a broader agreement between the u.s. and the iraqi government. the challenge of western mosul is that the civilian population is still there. it is still very densely packed. they are so narrow that you can't drive a vehicle down them. and it is important to keep reminding this to our viewers, the civilian population was not able to flee. isis is holding them hostage. almost every single home in this part of the city, and, in fact, in the parts of the city that have already been cleared, they have families in them. and this makes this so difficult. plus, the type of enemy that the iraqis are facing, isis, is far fiercer, far more sophisticated,
far more equipped, better equipped than anything that the u.s. military faced. >> and so, mark, you know, while it's mosul right now and isis being on its heels, do you see that potentially syria is next, particularly that de facto capital of raqqah? >> i think ongoing operations are continuing. in fact, i know they are in and around syria for the same kind of preliminary actions that have been occurring over the last few months encircling mosul, the same thing is going on in raqqah. truthfully, fredericka, i believe there's a lot more work to be done inside of iraq. there are pockets of resistance along the tigris and yeuphrates river valleys. i think once you're going to see problem areas in the province around the mountains, this fight is not close to being over yet. the major cities are going to be
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legislation and it will include the possibility of a medicare for all programs. >> obamacare has serious problems. deductibles are too high, premiums are too high, the cost of health is going up at a much faster rate than it should. ideally, where we should be going is to join the rest of the industrialized world and guarantee health care to all people as a right. and that's why i'm going to introduce a medicare for all single-payer program. >> joining me right now is senior writer for cnn money, tammy looby, the latest article is "save on obamacare to trump." tammy, is a medicare for all program a logical suggestion for the future? >> well, this is one of bernie's favorite platforms. he introduced it last year as
part of his campaign for president. but whatever you think of the merit of single payer, it comes with one big problem. it will cost nearly $1.4 trillion and require the taxes be raised. i don't think that congress is really in the mood for that right now. >> so lisa, what are your thoughts on sanders' proposals? he's not one that usually proposes higher taxes. >> right. but i do agree with what tami is saying. politically, while it does make sense and he's absolutely right, we are the only industrialized nation that does not guarantee universal access to health coverage, i think politically, particularly at this point and coming off of this bill failing, i think it's a politically very difficult move to expect it's going to happen. >> in the meantime, tami, speaker paul ryan is here for the foreseeable future, so you have probed insurers and people
out there, what is it that most insurers like about obamacare? >> well, they initially thought that obamacare would be good for their businesses. but right now, as we know, it's a troubled program. a lot of people i've spoken to don't think it's in a debt spiral, but there are things that the trump administration has to do, they don't necessarily want obamacare to survive per se, but there are 20 million people on it and it may not look so good for them if they all of a sudden do things that kick millions of people off of their health insurance. one of the main things that insurers want right now is for lawmakers to appropriate money for the cautionary subsidies, which lower the deductibles and co-pays for millions of people on the exchanges. they also want better risk protections in the program so that they can have more protection for dealing with a lot of high costs. a lot of people in obamacare right now are sicker than the
insurers expected. and they also want to make sure that the individual mandate is not weakened further. that's what requires everybody to get insurance. and that is what brings in a lot of healthy younger people onto the exchanges, which is what the insurers need. >> so lisa, are these things that the health and human services secretary tom price and congress can achieve, can tackle, would want to address? >> yeah, it's -- you know, the administration definitely has broad authority at this point to either bolster the markets, and as tami said, definitely the cautionary subsidies and whether or not they're going to continue allowing those to flow to insurers is a huge issue. and if they decide to stop those, i think you will see a mass exodus. we're coming up along the time where insurers have to say whether or not they will participate in the marketplace for next year. i think that is something to be clarified pretty quickly. the individual mandate was something pulled out of the gop
bill that just failed. it is not a favorite on the part of american voters. it is not a favorite of the republican party. but it does pose a real problem for insurers if they choose not to enforce it. and there's definitely been indication they don't want to. but without that, you really signal to consumers that it is fine to go without health insurance until you're sick and you need it. because the law still requires insurers to give you a health plan if you sign up for one regardless of your health condition. and i think that a lot of insurers without that assurance would be unlikely to continue in selling in the market laces. >> right, the risk there that could contribute to costs being driven up. all right, thank you to you. appreciate that. a large tunnel and inmates at large now. how prisoners dug their way out.
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cnn's "believer" explores all different kinds of nationalities. they continued to follow their faith independently. the catch? they had trouble keeping in touch with their friends and family. >> anyone can just leave the church if they want to? >> certainly, you can. but what if you have a daughter or son on staff. >> my daughter is just going to remain. >> she disconnected from him
when he left? >> yes. >> doesn't call me, doesn't talk to me. >> does he try to reach out to her? >> sure, but it's a wasted effort. >> once you get declared, boy, that's it, the ax has fallen. >> did you introduce here to scientology? >> i've been a scientologist since before she was born. so she sort of grew up with it. >> did you know that she was going to happen? >> oh, yeah. >> can i ask you why you felt it was, considering the consequences so important for you to say your piece? >> all i can say is really it's a point of integrity. i couldn't be in the organization and see the things that i saw going on and not know that there was something wrong. what's more important? that or some personal pain and disaster and familial rejection or something, you know?
and i chose the religious aspects of it as being more important. >> cnn's reza aslan joining us now, is what he experienced experienced by most people who leave scientology? >> most people leave scientology all together and have to disconnect from their family members in the church. but these people are devout scientologists, they have left the church, but not the religion. in fact they believe that the true scientologist, that the church has become corrupted, it's lost its way. so in this case, this gentleman left the church and had to disconnect with his daughter, but he did so because his faith as a scientologist compelled him to do so. which is quite a different story. >> what is this about a co
copywrite issue, that those who are told they want to follow it, but they aren't able to do it because of copy write laws. >> if anybody leaves the church, they can no longer continue to practice scientology. every church tries to maintain control over orthodoxy, they want to say what the religion is or is not. what makes scientology unique, is they have actually trademarked the material necessary to practice scientology, so not only are you an apostate, but you're violating trademarks. so just practicing this religion outside of the church is against the law, and of course these people would disagree with that. >> what about scientology that you want people to really understand more thoroughly? >> we all know about the accusations of corruption and
abuse and those are absolutely true. but i think few people understand what the religion actually is. what do you do? why do people become scientologists? what is it also. for the first time you're going to see an auditing session. you're going to get to see me actually be trained in becoming an auditor, i think the myth about scientology as an institution is going to be cleared up. >> why are they willing for this to be publicized because we also know that there's great secrecy in scientology, at least that's what former members have said. >> they want to come out of the dark now, they have been practicing scientology in the closet for about 20 years now. they feel like it's time for them to come out and say we're scientologists too. we agree with you about the problems in the church. but we are the people that
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