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president. wrap your head around this. cnn new york. >> she has quite the eye. >> that is great. >> and it was nice of me lan yeah. spouse points there. >> a little nudge. sometimes i have to do that to you during the show. time for cnn news room. >> i feel you. >> everyone needs a wing man. all right, guys. lots of news. let's get right to it. a man hunt goes nationwide. the fbi joins the search. new details this morning from investigators. georgia on his mind and his twitter feed. it is election day in america, at least part of it. the president goes all in in a congressional race that could tell us everything about where this presidency is headed. >> and a cnn exclusive
preponderavice president pence says north korea is getting the message. have they changed their behavior at all? >> and good morning to all of you. welcome to tax day in america, or as this white house might call it, one more day where we are not going to release anything to you. the trump facing concerns about lack of transparency, white house visitor logs and golfing partners. >> today the president is going on the road and shifting the focus. cnn joe john at the white house and, joe, donald trump the president going to a county he won by 238 votes. >> wow. i didn't know that was the number, john. but i know he's going to kenosha, wisconsin today to visit the snap on tools folks. he's expected to sign an executive order that keeps in line with his buy american, hire american initiative. buy american refers to federal procurement laws.
hire american refers to working and changing the h1b visa program that brings in large numbers of skilled workers. the president's trip to wisconsin comes at a time when his approval ratings appear to be tanking. we have a graphic here compared with other presidents. you see donald trump is at 39%. barack obama, 61%. george w. bush 55%. bill clinton 49% and george h.w. bush. while the president is in wisconsin today, some of his top advisors will be meeting to discuss whether or not the united states should withdraw from the paris climate change agreement and it's a hot topic here at the white house. another graphic. as you can see, among the people who oppose staying in the
agreement, the epa administrator, steve bannon, the chief strategist. those who support staying in it include rex tillerson, ivanka trump and jared kushner. the president has been quoted as saying he has an open mind. back to you. >> all right. of course, berman knew the full count. >> i counted them each myself. >> it is election day, at least in georgia. the polls are open in a high stakes race in the state to fill a congressional seat that has been held by republicans since the '70s. >> john ossoff facing a slew of republicans. that winner does avoid a run off. this morning the president took aim. he wrote democrat john ossoff would be a disaster in congress. say no. and overnight republicans
released this robocall. >> only you can stop the super liberal democrats and nancy pelosi's group and in particular jon ossoff. >> jason carol covering this. the voting has begun in person in georgia 6. jason. >> reporter: and good morning to you. you have the president tweeting about it. you have heard the robocall as well. this is a race the gop is clearly very worried about. here is the reason why. you've got this guy, jon ossoff. he is just 30 years old. what he's managed to do is get the democratic party to coaless around him. he's managed to tap into the democrat democrat
democratic aings. even though as i said he's gotten a number of democrats to rally behind him, a number of gop candidates say, look, this is a district that is still going to be reliably republican. you look at the person who gave up his seat to become the health and human services secretary and you have got the president now weighing in. not just on twitter yesterday but again today. jon ossoff talked about what is like to get all that attention from the president. >> i appreciate the president's interest. it sounds like he's misinformed about my priorities. >> what makes you think you have a chance to win? >> well, the polling and the early vote numbers show that we're within striking distance. we are certainly going for an outright win here today. but a special e lelks lection i special and difficult to predict. it will all come out to turnout. >> when it comes to turn al,tur
they all say they are encouraged by the turn alout. and some concerns about one of the polling machines that was taken out of an election manager's car over the weekend. but we have spoken to some election officials and they say they have no worries about how things will turn out in terms of any voting irregularities. >> good to know. thanks so much. as for republicans already in office, they are facing a contentious issue this morning. the president's tax returns, the ones he will not, has not and has no plans as far as we know to release. tom cotton was asked about it at a town hall. listen to this. >> as far as i'm aware, the president says he's still under audit. the president -- the
president -- the president is also right. this is not a secondary or deciding of the campaign. hillary clinton and her campaign repeatedly -- as far as the points about his relationships over seas, i have two replies. first every federal office holder files a financial disclosure statements that shows your assets and your liabilities. second, it doesn't take a lot of effo effort. he puts his names on buildings he has. >> all right. joining us now to discuss all of this, cnn political reporter and cnn political analyst for "the daily beast" and cnn political
commentator for the daily beast. let me begin with you, matt, because you are onset and therefore we give you preference. tom cotton took it last night, big time. but is this teflon trump? there has been no evidence that it has hurt him. it didn't hurt him in the election. does it hurt him now? >> it's not good. it is not a good story. but i don't think it is a defining issue. if you ask voters, do they think the president should be more transparent, everybody will say yes. it is not the issue that gal van nices people and sends them to the polls to vote. we journalists care about process. and i think rightfully so. we want transparency. i just don't think average voters out there are going to care about process. what they care about is results. if donald trump is able to get, you know, syria under control and north korea and get the
economy going, i don't think my mom is going to care that we don't know who visited the white house on a particular day. >> i will say, you know, maybe your mom wasn't in the audience with tom cotton yesterday. i was a little surprised by the volume of that response. and now "the new york times" is reporting that democrats are trying to take advantage of this. they will use donald trump's tax returns as a wedge issue to muck up tax reform in general. do you think that might actually bear fruit? >> that process leads to policy. it is worth asking the question if this president does present a tax bill, does that benefit him? we don't know the answer to that question and we would have known the answer to that question for any other president in recent history because they have revealed their tax returns. so it is -- i don't think people are going to rush to the ballot box on this issue. it does raise the issue of fairness and american voters do care about getting a fair shake. >> on the issue of fairness, the
obama administration wasn't exactly eager to hand these logs over either. there was a transparency issue there as well. you write at the bottom of your column today, it is the way they are positioning it as if no transparency is better than full transparency. >> right. >> that is really problematic. >> right. that's like saying, well, i only went one for four. i got a single in the game. that's not as good as going 0 for 4. that doesn't really pass the smell test. you are right the obama administration was not the fountain of transparency. at the same time, the obama administration was the first white house to release any partial public records of white house visitor logs. the one thing i would say about the debate over transparency and why democrats are probably smart to seize on it, even though matt is right, trump doesn't lose is because their base cares about it. their base views it as a window
into the fact that donald trump is conflicted in ways he will not tell the american public. when you see an event in little rock, you don't think of arkansas necessarily as a democratic faction, right? but little rock has a significant liberal community. democrats are very well organized. they are going to these town halls. they know these will be captured on television. they know it is uncomfortable for a u.s. senator to stand up and be booed. things like this, anything related to trump, secrisy, conflicts, what is he not telling us, it is not an issue the average low information voter is going to dial into and make a decision on. >> all right. on the subject of elections, not even mid-term, special election, all eyes are on georgia six today. let me put a question to you that chris wrote in his column
yesterday. if jon ossoff can get more than 50% today, it says what about the electorate? >> it says that it's game on, that donald trump is in trouble and republicans are in trouble. i have used this sports analogy, whether it's football or baseball. there is a thing when you go into someone else's stadium. you want to take the crowd out of the game. and every once in a while, if the opposing team has an interception or something, now they're back in. the crowd is back in. you let the crowd back in the game. right now democrats are out of the game. they don't have a lot to be excited about. if this guy pulls it off in georgia today, democrats -- this gets people knocking on doors around the country. success begets success. if they smell blood, they have the sense that donald trump and republicans are vulnerable anded in mid-terms, volunteers will
pour in. if this guy does not perform well, the opposite is true. >> if an area where the president did win overwhelmingly. this isn't what we saw in kansas, for example. some interesting things about ossoff. 95% of his money came from out of state. he's got hollywood celebrities coming in. this guy has a lot of free earned media. if the president can keep him under 50%, does this show the president has some real juice? >> well, the president is weighing in rather late in this process. we should note there are two candidates on the republican side that were big trump boosters and he chose to sit this one out. they're worried. you don't have the president intervene if you are not worried about that turn out. as far as the celebrities, i don't know they help anybody.
look at hillary clinton. she had every celebrity in hollywood going door to door for her and it doesn't make a difference. that said, you're right. this is a republican district and it has been for a very long time and i wouldn't be surprised if he does fall short of 50%, jon ossoff. if they don't, they'll declare this is a win in some ways. because the fact he is competitive at all is noteworthy in a district like the one he's working in. >> give us the results today. >> i think ossoff comes up a little bit short. i think karen winds up being the republican who goes against someone in the june run off. i want to not let this opportunity to make a "who's the boss" samantha reference because you guys mentioned alyssa milano
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necessary. now the north korean's state the rhetoric is just pushing the region to the brink of war. >> the north koreans have noticed the things you have been saying while you have been here in asia. the deputy ambassador said that you and the administration but it was clearly responding to your words are creating a dangerous situation in which thermal nuclear war may break out at any moment. would you like to respond to that? >> my hope is that the wider world and that the leadership in north korea is listening to what president trump and the world community is saying. that the time has come for them to abandon and dismantle their nuclear and ballistic missile program. my presence here, which the president strongly urged, even in this challenging time is really to deliver that message,
that we have really moved beyond the area of strategic patience and now we have moved into an area where president trump is absolutely committed to marshaling the energy of the world community, of countries in the asian pacific to use economic and diplomatic power to isolate north korea and achieve the goal. >> and they are listening and the deputy ambassador said it sounds like you and the administration are insisting on gangster like logic, that the idea of an invasion of the sovereign nation, he was talking about your remarks about syria and afghanistan is -- decreasing the likelihood that this could end peacefully. are you concerned that what you are saying is being taken to north korea and saber rattling despite the fact you are also talking about diplomacy.
>> i think what the president is concerned about, what countries we are recently concerned about are the reckless and irresponsible actions of the regime. another failed missile attempt, notwithstanding this weekend, an unprecedented number of ballistic missile tests, testing nuclear weapons twice in the last year, the time has really come for north korea to get the message as the president says, it is time for them to behave. to listen to the world community and to set aside their nuclear ambitions, their ballistic missile ambitions and be willing to join the family of nations. and for my part in some odd way, it is encouraging that they're getting the message. and my hope is that they will continue to get the message. not just from the united states. here in japan and in south korea. but on an increasing basis from
china and countries all over the world that long ago committed to a denuclearized korean peninsula. >> nakimberly, to you, the vice president said that north korea is getting the message. what signs have you seen after this giant military parade saturday by north korea they are getting any message? >> so far the only message they seem to be receiving is they are under threat and they are responding with threatening language of their own. china has tried to send an envoy there and that has been rebuffed. that is bad news. the question is is the u.s. playing such a bad cop in this good cop/bad cop scenario that they haven't left enough room to maneuver in terms of their pride and in terms of how they see
themselves in a nation that needs to be negotiated with, rather than lectured. comments like behave don't really -- don't really pay homage to their existence as they see themselves as a sovereign nation. so the question will be going forward, after all of this public lecturing, will china be able to do what the u.s. needs it to do, which is somehow get them to show some effort of good faith that they are willing to do some steps towards denuclearization and come back to internationally brokered talks. >> so a senior north korean official said to the bbc it will conduct, quote, more missile tests on a weekly, monthly and yearly basis. here is the president's counter to that. listen. >> i don't want to telegraph what i'm doing or what i'm thinking. i am not like other administrations where they say we are going to do this in four
weeks and that doesn't work that way. we'll see what happens. i hope things work out well. i hope there is going to be peace. you look at different things over the years with president obama. everybody has been outplayed by this gentleman and we'll see what happens. but i just don't telegraph my moves. >> this president has used unpredictability as an asset. the question is has he really done anything unpredictable so far on north korea? >> they're clearly talking in a way that separates at least their public messaging, which is not coordinated at times from the obama administration. this isn't a strategically patient policy at all. the administrations seemed to have injected a degree of urgency here. the problem is you can't tweet or tough talk your way into a real strategy and that's the key. by 2020, the north koreans are
going to have 100 nuclear weapons, and they are likely to have a ballistic missile capacity to extend the range perhaps to the united states. so the question is what do you do? that's the central question facing the trump administration. only two options, guys. number one, launch a preventative strike to essentially eliminate north korea's nuclear infrastructure and its ballistic missile capacity or create a strategy combined of vinegar and honey, designed to offer incentives and disincentives to create a freeze. you are not going to denuclearize the korean peninsula. that is what's missing. maybe vice president pence opened the door by his comments yesterday indicating the possibility of some kind of engagement. but they needed a coordinating effective strategy at least to
begin the process. >> overnight some other extraordinary diplomatic amendments, granting the president of turkey basically a lot of critics think it is undemocratic. the results are not fully in yet. there was some disputes about the legacy of this election. president trump called to congratulate the president. i want to know what you make of that phone call and what message it sends to the world. >> i think it shows that president trump has decided he needs turkey in the battle against isis. he needs it as one country in the region that is an ally of the united states and cooperating with them. so he's going to look the other way at least publically about the questions about this referendum, the turn irk bar association today lodged a complaint. one european election official observing the poll thinks as many as 2.5 million ballots might have been illegitimate. and yet president trump is reaffirming this relationship, just like he did with the
egyptian strong man. you just have to hope that behind closed doors they're still going to lecture him about the fact that 40,000 turkish citizens have been arrested since the attempted cue and there have been no sign they have someone championing them within the country or within washington, d.c. >> quickly, how remarkable is it that this president and the white house agreed to the call and did not make one mention of all of the concerns over the physical intimidation of those who oppose him, the jailing of those who oppose? >> basically, he's not going to intrude or involve himself in other nations. this is in part a continuation of the obama policy with respect to turkey as well. in the absence of what you could call heroic response to the cue and the crackdown last july.
i think this continues a trend that american values, more often than not, are not american interests. >> thank you both very much. also new this morning, world markets reacting to new news out of the uk. >> this is a gamble that could leave to volatile markets. what do you say, christina? >> investors are absorbing a lot of information. first they were hit with a big sur prize when they fired up their computers and found out the uk is calling for those special elections. that is not something they were expecting until 2020. so big sur -- surprise there. and on top of that, a large component of the dow, goldman
sachs had a big miss this morning and in its comments it cited political uncertainty. all those three things weighing on the market against the backdrop of a lot of geopolitical questions in north korea, in turkey, as you guys were just talking about and in the middle east. so really investors have got their eye on key domestic policies and also what is going on elsewhere in the world and h how that might impact down here. >> thank you so much. the accused facebook killer, a nation-wide man hunt under way. we are moments away from an update on the investigation. before the bell brought to you by e-trade. start trading today and go to cnnmoney.com to sign up for the daily newsletter.
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>> they ought to be commended and thanked for their leadership in this because they have demonstrated even in this tragedy, this personal tragedy to their family that they have forgiven and that they have come together in a way that they have asked us as a community to forgive and to begin to heal because what happened on easter sunday was traumatic. it was traumatic to the family, but has been traumatic to cleveland in particular. but with social media, this has gone all over the country and people are having the same kind of response and reaction to this of how the loss of innocence has affected them. so i want to say to the family that we are proud of them and that we really thank them for showing us the way in this situation.
chief and our federal partners will begin to talk about some of the things that we're doing. a lot -- there may not be a lot of new stuff, but what we want to do is keep you informed so that the facts will be the facts, not anything else. okay? chief? >> thanks. good morning. just a couple of things. first and foremost, we have not located steve. we're still asking the public's help in that regard. just a couple of technical things for the community to understand. this is currently a nation-wide search, and we are getting calls from all over the country. as far away as texas. if there is a perceived sighting of steve or this vehicle, we want you to dial 911 right away. if you think you see steve out
there or if you think you have spotted that vehicle, we want you to call 911 right away. if you think you have information that may lead to steve or that vehicle, then that's what that fbi tip line is all about. we're getting people as far away again as texas. they are saying, hey, i just saw him in a walmart and calling that tip line and we relay that information and then we have to get back to that jurisdiction to have boots on the ground right there to check that out. if you think you spot him or that vehicle, call 911 in your local jurisdiction so they could get officers there right away. if you think you have information that may lead us to him or the vehicle, then call the fbi tip line. there are a couple of things floating around out there as far as us tracking this vehicle through some kind of gps or a vehicle locating system. that vehicle is not equipped with any of those systems.
of course, that's the first thing that we looked at from the dealership aspect and from ford motor company itself. that vehicle is not equipped for that type of tracking. but, again, we're still asking the public's help in locating steve. we have received to date almost 400 tips nation-wide on this. so we encourage people to keep sending in those tips. with that, i'm going to quickly turn it over to steve anthony from the fbi. >> thanks, chief. just a quick follow up. i can't over emphasize that point enough. someone out there with 100 years plus experience told us someone out there has a key piece of information that could help us resolve this matter. they just might not know it. so when in doubt, they have to make the call as the chief just
said, 911, call the fbi. we don't care. call someone. as you know, we have a $50,000 reward out there that was mayor. that is still out there. we have issued u.s. marshals and the fbi on a lawful flight based on the underlying murder warrant filed by the city of cleveland. all that does is lets everyone know very clearly, every federal agent, local agent, state agent that there is a federal warrant issued and again any individual across the united states could act on that warrant, execute that warrant to resolve this matter and to take steve into custody. also, as you know, we have billboards up throughout the country. again, in the effort to make sure that steve's face, his vehicle is out there for the public to see. we can't thank you all enough for making sure that's out there. we definitely believe that that will be critical in resolving
this matter. and again as i know the marshal would agree and he'll stand up here in a second is that what we're trying to do is to close the an chur and narrow the space. we wish we could provide more information and to more narrowly focus the search. if we had that information you would know about that. we hope we get to that point so we could share that with you and try to elicit the public support to resolve this matter. so with that, again, just reiterate 911 or 1-800-callfbi. thank you. marshal elliot? >> we're very fortunate here in cleveland with our partners because i really believe our strength here is in our partnerships together. so we have our task forces nation-wide on this investigation across the country. not only within the marshal
service but within the fbi. i made the comment the other day, i think we are going to get this individual one way or the other. we have seen a lot of cases through here in northern ohio over the last ten-plus years. some have run for a couple of days. some have run for a couple years. some have killed themselves after they ran. so at the end of the day, we're going to use all our resources, put everything together, not only locally but nationally and follow up on every single lead, no matter where it takes us, within this country or other countries. i'm very proud of all our partners here on both sides and again, you know, i'm very optimistic that we're going to bring closure to this. >> if i may add one more thing, over the last few days we have been talking to a lot of the clergy in regards to this, and
they have asked us to communicate to steve stephens they are available to him if he needs their help. but in particular one of the pastors he had been talking to, he had been talking to him early on. i think maybe before the incident occurred. and, so, the clergy wanted me to mention that they are available for him if he, in fact, needs their counseling or feels they could be of assistance to him in turning himself in. >> given so much exposure, why aren't we seeing more? >> i don't think the investigation is stalled. you know, like the marshal says, these things can take two days. they can take two weeks. they can take two years. it depends on the individual that's out there. it depends on their mindset and
what they're planning on doing and like i stated yesterday if they are getting assistance or not. when people go on the run like this, at some point in time, they need help, and we're telling people, you know, the only assistance in this case is to call us and let us know where this person is so we could resolve this. >> when is the last time anybody has had any communication with him? >> as far as we can tell, it was the day of the actual incident. >> are you sure? >> we're not sure, no. >> can i ask agent anthony, if he's been added to the fbi's most wanted list. >> that's been reported. that's not accurate. he is extremely wanted fugitive by the u.s. marshals and the fbi but he's not technically on the top ten list. >> [ inaudible ]. >> steve is a most wanted.
>> does that trigger something in the fbi? a change or anything? >> he has been -- steve has been the huge priority of everyone up here from day one. so nothing has changed, sir. the emphasis and priority to resolve this matter could not be at the higher level. rest assured, law enforcement does not hold any tools in its tool bag. we are using everything we have. in this circumstance, we need the public's help. but again we're using every tool in our tool bag. rest assured we are doing that. but, again, the fact that he is not in the top ten or a marshals top 15 doesn't change the fact that he is wanted fugitive and again this information is getting out across the country. quite frankly, across the world. >> for us in northern ohio, he is our highest priority at the end of the day. >> does your experience tell you anything about how this plays
out? do you think he's still alive? >> i want to give you my personal opinion based on the past. there's two things. either he's dead somewhere or someone is holding him up somewhere else in a house. so we've seen a little bit of both. >> we're hearing from authorities there in cleveland, still searching furiously for this fugitive who killed a man and posted it all on facebook. some of the headlines, the investigation there insisting has some solved. they are getting leads from as far away as texas. >> they got some 911 calls. what we do know is that cleveland police have been searching abandoned buildings. they want to make sure he isn't holed up, that he in fact stayed close in the area, as opposed to
far out. what we do know, he's been on the run for 48 hours. that's about the time he posted this youtube video of himself shooting this older man allegedly. 74-year-old robert goodwin. and we heard the strength of the family and what they're suffering from this loss. >> he was my best friend. we shopped together, did things for each other. he was just my best friend. beside god, that was my best friend. we decided a long time ago that we had six children together and it's a lot of married couples will never have what robert and i had. >> boys need their fathers and mine was taken away from me and all i want to see is him brought to justice. i want my family to have closure. it's a hole in my heart right now.
it's a hole in my heart right now. but one thing i do want to say is i forgive him because we all sinners and we need the shared blood of jesus christ to save us. and i'm so grateful for us. if you're out there, if you're listening, turn yourself in. >> and one of the reasons for the urgency is he made a threat he was going to go on a rampage and try to kill as many people as possible. he alleged he killed other people. that's why you have got the amount of resources. he blames his girlfriend saying she made him crazy that i lost everything i had. i'm out of options. he also blames his mom saying the day before he went to her home and told her he was suicidal, that he was about to murder people and apparently she didn't care. that's one of his big gripes. here he is, a youth mentor. he said i listen to everybody
else's problems and nobody listens to mine. his state of mind is a big factor in this hunt because they don't know whether these are just threats. he has more than one cell phone. he's talking on one cell phone, taking phone calls from people. at the same time he is videotaping this or uploading this to facebook. so there is social engagement so he's showing everybody why he's doing this. he's justifying this and police want to find him as fast as they can. >> and they are trying to communicate directly to him through these news conferences. thank you so much. we'll be right back. e new guy? ? i hired some help. he really knows his wine. this is the new guy? hello, my name is watson. you know wine, huh? i know that you should check vineyard block 12. block 12? my analysis of satellite imagery shows it would benefit from decreased irrigation. i was wondering about that. easy boy. nice doggy.
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so, it is tax day, if you want to be legal. and no, you can't claim your co-anchor as a deduction. there are signs this morning that the chances of a sweeping tax overhaul this summer are fading and there is no sign that we're going to see the president's tax returns any time soon. >> here's the press secretary, sean spicer. >> we're under the same audit
that existed, so nothing has changed. >> is it time to say once and for all the president is never going to release his tax returns? >> we'll have to get back to you on that. i said i'd have to get back to you on that. he is still under audit. the statement still stands. >> when you're under audit, you can release your tax returns. just saying. also, treasury secretary steve mnuchin now says tax reform by august not realistic. stephen moore is here. he is a cnn senior economics analyst and formerly the senior adviser to the trump campaign. so nice to have you here. liberals have found this uniting force, this rallying cry on this tax day, which we know you filed already, my friend. and the way that the front of the "the new york times" puts it is, basically, them calling on the president to release his tax reforms could actually hurt the president's tax reform effort. do you buy that? >> no. by the way, the reason i look a little tired this morning is i've been up four nights in a
row trying to beat that tax dead line, but i got my tax return in, so. look, i don't think that most americans care that much about the president's tax returns. "the new york times" and others tried to make a big deal out of this during the campaign, and i don't think it really swung a vote one way or the other. but i think the big picture here is we've got to get tax reform done, and i was disturbed by that story that was reported yesterday that the white house now thinks they're not going to be able to get this done by august and maybe it's going to drift into the fall, and then there's even some reports that this is going to be in 2018. and poppy, my view is that the delay in the tax bill and the kind of uncertainty is actually hurting the markets. i think it's slowing down business a little bit. we've seen a little bit of that trump bounce that we saw for the last few months has slowed down. so i think this is hurting the economy and i think the white house has to show some more urgency, and congress as well. >> what i hear from you, as a former adviser to the president
when he was running, is you seem to be pleading with this white house to get it done. and when you hear the treasury secretary, not by august, you know, because you've seen this before. then it drifts to the fall, and if it drifts past the fall, it drifts into like a twilight zone where almost nothing happens in an election year. >> first of all, i think there's a pretty high certainty that this is going to get done. it's just a question of when it's going to be done. and we saw with the health care debacle that that's obviously been delayed, and now there's talk, john, that, well, maybe we can't do tax reform until we get this health care bill passed. well, lord knows when that's going to happen. so, that kind of uncertainty out there is, i think, slowing business investment. i talk to a lot of ceos who say, you know, we're kind of on hold right now because we don't know what's going to happen with the tax bill. i happen to think if we can get that business tax rate down and simplify the system, it will have a lot of very positive effects for the economy, but the uncertainty's hurting.
>> i'm interested as to why you think it's going to get done. i mean, what makes you so sure, stephen? seriously, there's a reason this hasn't been done since i was like 2 years old. >> okay. >> and that's because it's hard, arguably harder than health care, and they couldn't get that done. >> that's a great point, and poppy, i'm glad you asked, because i want to clarify what i just said because i wasn't precise. i do think we're going to get a tax cut done. >> that's easy. >> i think that piece in "the new york times," that will be tomorrow or the next day. and we basically, my buddy and i, larry kudlow, we basically just said, look, get the business tax rates down, because we know there's a lot of bipartisan support for that, and i think it will provide juice for the economy, but the bigger big bang of really simplifying and overhauling the tax system, which you're right, poppy, that hasn't happened in 30 years! i mean, it was 1986 since we cleaned out the staples of the tax system. i don't think that's going to get done this year. i think that's going to be probably pushed to 2018. but what i am saying is i think we're going to get a tax cut done for businesses and workers this year.
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all right, good morning, everyone. i'm john berman. >> i'm poppy harlow. it is tax day in america. have you filed? >> indeed i have. >> all right. also, the trump administration facing new concerns over a lack of transparency, not just about the president not releasing his tax returns. >> yeah, also on the list of things you will not learn -- who is visiting the white house, who is golfing with the president. and that may just be the beginning. what we do know is that the president is going to wisconsin today. he's trying to turn the focus