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the support of a president of the united states. today, fox news this afternoon dumped bill o'reilly. we should say the goings on in this business, let alone at a competitor, normally are not news. we normally wouldn't leave with this story. however, there's nothing ordinary about any of this. not his alleged behavior, not the company culture that tolerated it for so long, not the impact the network and the man have had. so tonight, the rise and fall of bill o'reilly. so brian, bill o'reilly responded this afternoon. what did he have to say? >> in a statement, he suggested that he's the victim here that he's being accused of things that never happened. we can put part of the statement on screen for viewers to read. he's not going to be invited back on the air to say these words directly, but he went on to say that this was a situation
over the past 20 years of fox news, i've been extremely proud to launch and lead one of the most successful news programs in history, which has consistently informed and entertained millions of americans and contributed to building fox into the dominant network news. it is tremendously disheartening that we part ways due to unfounded claims, but that is the unfortunate reality many of us in the public eye must live with today. he concluded by saying i will look back on my time at fox news with great pride and with my deepest gratitude to all my dedicated viewers, i wish only the best for fox news channel. >> caution, you are about to enter the no spin zone. >> bill o'reilly is a fox news original, who got his start as a local news reporter. >> happy new year, everyone. >> he later went on to report for cbs and abc news.
in 1989, he inkanchored "inside edition." he also became known for his temper, on display here. >> i can't do it. we'll do it live. we'll do it live! [ bleep ] it! do it live. don't write it, and we'll do it live. [ bleep ] sucks! >> in five, four, three -- >> that's tomorrow and that is it for us today. i'm bill oefx ri'reilly. >> he took a break from television in 1995 and enrolled at harvard university where he got a masters in public administration. >> i'm bill o'reilly. >> the following year, he was hired by roger ailes to host a show on a startup cable called fox. he also hosted a radio show,
which gave him a massive audience. but for all his fans, he also earned nearly as many detractors. he was called a bully for his aggressive interviewing style. in a book fair in 1993, al franken called him a liar to his f face. >> all that he's got in 6 1/2 years, that i misspoke. he writes it in his book and tries to make me out -- >> no, no. >> hey, shut up. you had your 35 minutes. shut up! >> he was the chief invasion for the bo -- inspiration for colbert. >> papa bear bill o'reilly has found another reason she should be taken out of the not yet running. >> there's got to be some downside to having a woman president, right? something. >> but his controversial comments were not what would
eventually bring him down. accusations about his behavior toward women started surfacing in 2004. after a fox news producer filed a sexual harassment suit against fox news, alleging o'reilly repeatedly spoke to her about his sexual fantasies. >> the last time i had spoken to bill when this inappropriate conversation had happened the last time. he said it was going to be in person, and i was -- i felt extremely threatened for many reasons. >> o'reilly vowed to fight the charge. >> this is the single most evil thing i have ever experienced. >> and filed a countersuit for extortion. the case was settled for a reported $9 million. and it didn't end there. in 2016, after accusations about fox news founder roger ailes became public, some women came forward with allegations against oe o'reilly.
"the new york times" started looking into accusations against o'reilly, as well. just a little more than two weeks ago, the story detailed a total of $13 million in settlements between o'reilly and fox and the women who had accused him. the reaction was fierce. advertisers pulled out of his show by the dozens. and just like that, the cable news king, who once seemed untouchable, is off the air for good, at least at fox. >> brian, this is all playing out with o'reilly on vacation. he was in italy. i know he spent this morning in the vip section of the vatican. he shook hands with the hope, the -- with the pope and the archbishop of new york. i want to bring in my panel. brian, what about o'reilly's attorney, is he saying anything at this point? because until today, he was call
thing a smear campaign. >> today, no new statement from the attorney. we heard from lots of other groups. ald advocacy groups that fight for women in the workplace are cheering the news fox is trying to make a clean break here, stripping his name from the logo of the show. i've never seen anything like this in my years covering television news. >> bill, it's incredible, given the allegations against roger ailes and now bill o'reilly. just the culture that allegedly existed within fox news for years and years and years. it would have been difficult for the murdoches to claim they were trying to maintain a culture based on trust and respect what they said after roger ailes left if they kept oe'reilly on. >> it speaks to a toxic situation it seems that they let happen. and they were giving under the
table payments to these women. even now you have to question some of the executive holdovers there. is this really the kind of company that people want to respect and want to work for, especially for women? i think it's fantastic in a way, because it does say, no matter who you are in television now, if you go over this line, you just don't have protection. it took a long time, but at least it came to fruition. >> gloria, to bill's point, bill o'reilly was in terms of ratings and edin terms of money he was making for the network, was probably at the top of his game. in terms of advertisers, the show generated something like $446 million in revenue from 2014 to 2016. so even somebody who is generating hundreds and hundreds of millions for the company, you know, was held to account. >> right. but it's not exactly a clear cut
message. you know, if you ask me, anderson. it was a business decision to keep him. the company knew what was going on, but he was a huge moneymaker. but they had to pay money to women, and they still resigned him. so that on the one hand is the signal that if "the new york times" hadn't done that story, and it had not become a public isue, would he still be there? and would that environment still be there? so i think it was a business decision to keep him. and i think in the end, it was a business decision to fire him, because once it did become public, it came untenable for fox as a public company. it became untenable for the advertisers who started to pull out. and they just had to get out from under this morass. but it's not as if fox acted
when it should be. >> the allegations from 2004. dilan, o'reilly did just resign a three-year, multimillion dollar contract just last month, and they were fully aware of not only the allegations against him, but even of "the new york times" investigation that was ongoing at that point. does he get all that money, do we know? >> first of all, we should say gloria's point is absolutely right. there's no question that the murdoches at fox news knew about these accusations. they were involved in many of the settlements that were reported by "the new york times." so this was a business decision like gloria said to keep him so long, and a business decision to let him go. as for what he goes with, all indications point to him going with tens of millions of dollars. just like roger ailes exited the network with $40 million. o'reilly's contract, said to be
in the ballpark of $20 million. he just reupped for a three-year period. you're looking at $60 million if not more. now, a lot of people are viewing o'reilly's ouster as a victory for the accusers, certainly as a victory for progress in the workplace and corporate america. and yet i think it will rub a lot of accusers and advocacy groups the wrong way that he will walk away with as much as $60 million if not more. >> the accusers, even ones who got settlements, got nowhere near that sort of money. >> no, they didn't. and obviously the idea that he's going to walk away with that much money must make people -- there's a feeling like this sort of sets a precedent. fox wouldn't -- if a woman comes forward now, they really do have to respond. in the past, they were clearly burying these things. they weren't reacting at all. at a minimum, there's going to
be at least an opening for people to say we're not going to take this anymore. it's got to change the culture. if it doesn't, they'll wind up in the same situation again. i don't think anybody will be at o'reilly's level again at fox. he came forward saying all of these were lies. that's exactly what roger ailes said. so whoever says these are all lies it's hard to believe. >> and the question, and i think the proof will be in the pudding. the question is whether more women will or have come forward. and whether they will be unafraid to do so. some of the recent people who have come forward and said i don't want any money, because they felt that was the only way to be taken seriously, because otherwise, they would have been accused of gold digging, as o'reilly has said in the past. so these women were harassed and they walk away with zero, but they say okay, we were able to make this point. will women in the future feel that they will be able to come forward without any kind of
retribution, either at fox or any other corporate environment? >> and brian, the idea that bill o'reilly has a book out about old school values and how he represents that is interesting. i want to play a clip from the first time that fox news addressed this on the air in the 6:00 p.m. air. >> the ouster comes nine months after the forced resignation of roger ailes, who several women accused of sexual harassment allegations that he denied. rupert murdoch and his sons have emphasized changing the company's culture so any form of harassment is unaccepted. >> it's interesting to see how they ae dressed this. >> i have sympathy for my counterpart at fox covering this story. but what's happening here is
bigger than fox. this is about corporate america. it's a milestone for corporate america. that's why the relatively scant coverage of fox stands out like a sore thumb when the rest of the nation's news media realizes it's about the future of conservative media and the future of standards in the workforce. there are women watch thing program who feel they've been harassed by their superiors in the workplace. maybe they feel a little more comfort tonight coming forward. they've seen david go up against goliath, first with roger ailes, now with o'reilly. >> it's interesting to hear, you know, at fox in their statement that we just played, them saying that it would only be women who felt uncomfortable. i think anybody would feel uncomfortable in that work environment. >> i would hope so. >> yeah, you would think. >> i would hope that men would feel uncomfortable if there were a colleague, a male colleague there who was treating a woman unfairly and they heard about it. what if a woman goes to a
colleague and says look, i don't know what to do, and i feel uncomfortable. come with me, and let's talk to a supervisor about this, because i'm afraid to go alone. i think women have been intimidated and the thing that we should not lose sight of here with fox is that this took a long, long time. and it didn't happen overnight. and it took a while after roger ailes, and it took a newspaper to put something -- make something public for fox to act. >> anderson, if i may, i think gloria brings up an important point there. so much of what had to happen in order for roger ailes and bill o'reilly to leave this company happened because of women. where were the male employees exhibiting that same level of courage? i didn't see it, and i think gloria brings up an important point there. >> a female reporter for "the
new york times" was in the middle of this story after bill o'reilly threatened her on a previous story. and she stuck wit and got this story. >> yeah. thanks to everyone. more ahead, including a look at one of his biggest fans, president trump. their relationship and how the president defended o'reilly just two weeks ago. and a new explanation from the white house in the case of the carrier battle group it said was heading to north korea when it was going the opposite direction. iber. try phillips' fiber good gummies. they're delicious... and a good source of fiber to help support regularity. mmm. these are good. nice work, phillips'! try phillips' fiber good gummies!
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breaking news tonight. bill o'reilly is officially out at fox after allegations of sexual harassment and the revelation that he and fox news paid $13 million over the years to keep women quiet. t the president defended bill o'reilly, saying he's a good person and he didn't think he had done anything wrong.
brian stelter reports on their friendship. >> i have known the man for almost 30 years, have done some business with his jet fleet and occasionally we go to sporting events together. >> that's bill o'reilly on the day donald trump entered the race for president. the old friendship benefited both men during the campaign. >> i was watching last night, bill o'reilly, who is a great guy. >> boosting trump and o'reilly's numbers. >> look, we're standing manoi mano here. >> reporter: their chuminess is no secret. they've been spotted at games together and share a love of milkshakes. when trump snubbed a fox debate, o'reilly almost begged him to reconsider. >> do me a favor. i bought you so many vanilla milkshakes, you owe me. >> trump has been a frequent guest on the show. more than 20 times since 2003. more evidence of the symbiosis
between the president and fox news. >> we want law and order. >> now their interviews happen in the west wing. in some ways, trump and o'reilly are kindred spirits. both bold, brash new yorkers, tv stars who know how to entertain and shock. >> you are too thin skinned. >> their friendly banter can lead to awkward moments. >> you get mad at guys like me when i ask you the negative questions? >> i think you become very negative. >> me? why would i do that? >> i don't know. you'll have to ask your psychiatrist. >> but the two men also share something darker. both have been accused of exploiting their power, using it to sexually harass women. something both have denied. back when the infamous "access hollywood" tape threatened to sink trump's campaign, o'reilly treaded lightly. >> it's crude guy talk. >> he did admit it was an
embarrassment for donald trump. now with o'reilly ousted, some wonder what his friend, the president, will say about it. brian stelter, cnn, new york. >> joining us now is my panel. kirsten, you used to work at fox, you were on o'reilly's program all the time. what is your reaction to the announcement? >> i think it's stunning, because bill o'reilly was fox news. he had so much power there, and it was up thinkable that he would ever leave there except on his own terms. i did his show regularly for a long time. i was thinking about an incident that happened early on in my career there, where i was on air with margaret hoover, we were on every monday. he got margaret's name wrong and she said get my name right. he said, i'm sorry, there's a lot of blonds in this operation, i can't keep you straight. at the end of the segment said, thank you for your blondness.
so i went to his executive producer and said he needs to apologize or i'm not doing his show anymore. i was told, you know, there's nothing we can do about it. it's kind of an archie bunker. i said, he can never do that again. so then i went to -- i was called into my boss' office and was told, what can we do, it's bill, there's nothing we can do. you know, we're sor kri this happ -- sorry this happened to you. i was told the same by roger ailes, it's bill, he's a jerk, nobody likes him. ro roger said bill likes to put up dirty pictures and ask bill to talk about them. then he said, what am i going to do? i don't like him, but he makes so much money there's nothing i can do. swhoz sa >> who said that? >> roger ailes. this was the culture, bill was
too big. so i did quit his show and i didn't do it for two or three years. but it was an election year, the biggest show at fox. so i went back and said i'm willing to give this another show. i came on the show and we ended up having quite a good relationship and i never had another problem. but it just spoke volumes that i had to handle it on my own, that there was nobody willing to say anything to him to say you can't treat one of our political analysts this way. >> kirsten, having obviously not worked at fox, i cannot imagine working in an environment where that was tolerated. where any of these allegations were tolerated by bill o'reilly and roger ailes, the guy running the place. >> i think that's right. i will say for myself, i sort of look back on it and think, you know, why -- i did quit his show, but i still did keep on
working there. i have to say to a certain extent, i'm -- my generation of women kind of grew up always dealing with sexual harassment. or sexual discrimination. i was never hit on. but i think i have dealt with this so much that to a certain extent, you learn to expect that this is going to be part of your job. because it wasn't something -- this was an isolated incident for me, you just learn to live with it. and that's not okay. that's why it's really important to give a lot of credit to gretchen carlson for coming out and really being the person who started this conversation. the only reason i'm tell thing story i think is because gretchen came out and took on fox news. you know, a lot of women just don't talk about these things, because if you make too much trouble, your career is over. >> and clearly, from what roger ailes was saying, who knew about it and didn't care, threw up his
hands. >> yeah, it was like what are we going to do? he's the most powerful person here. he makes the most for the channel. and oh well. it's just not -- yeah, it is kind of -- that's when everyone keeps saying what was the culture like? well, that was culture. i don't think that anyone really felt like complaining was going to solve a problem. >> jason, you obviously worked with president trump, you worked on the campaign with donald trump as a candidate. you know, bill o'reilly can be a tough interviewer, no doubt about it. i'm wondering what you make of their -- i don't know if friendship is the right word. do you see it as a friendship or is it a -- has it been a mutually beneficial relationship? how do you see it? >> it's been widely reported that the president and mr. o'reilly have been friends for a number of decades. during the time i worked for the president, it came across as a mutually beneficial
relationship, that really o'reilly was one of the people who predicted the rise of president trump and he was capturing the imagination and the voice of so many voters. it really seemed to me we saw these opportunities were they were helping each other. i'll tell you from the campaign side of things, mr. o'reilly is a very tough interviewer, and there's probably no interview that we would be the most nervous about, unless we found out the president was going on o'reilly. you never knew what was going to pop up. but as we talked about this the haste week or two following the new york tile"new york times," fact that you see the president focusing on what's important, this is really where the president's been focused. >> but the president did bring this up to "the new york times" and defend bill o'reilly. i mean, they did go out to sporting events together. it does seem to have gone beyond
just a professional acquaintance. >> no doubt. but the broader point i was making is if this was a big deal for the president, we would see him talking about it daily. but the president is focused on leading the country and thekore. we saw with the congressional race yesterday, how many times did the president tweet? if this was that big a deal for the president, which i don't think it is -- >> clearly it would be ridiculous for the president of the united states to be talking about this, just from a political stand point. it would not serve the president well. we've got to take a quick break. i want to talk to van and the rest of the panel. we'll be right back.
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a couple of years ago. let's watch. >> this guy, van jones, let's be honest about this. this was a guy who had like the lowest job you could have. >> not true. >> this was a guy sitting in a lawn chair. >> not true. >> on the mall in washington. >> not true. >> yes. trying to get guys to rake up leaves. >> not true! >> he wasn't a big guy. >> this guy is riddled with lies and distortion. >> obviously him talking to glenn beck. i wonder what you make of bill o'reilly's downfall basically? >> well, i think a number of things. i've been sitting here squirming, just holding it. so many things to say. first of all, i have to point out that in any normal situation, donald trump has egg all over his face, his chest, running down his leg. he came out say thing guy is great. it turns out there was a pattern and a practice in that organization, fox news, of
multiple million dollar payouts as basically a cost of doing business with having this guy in the building. and lots of people had to have known. you don't hand out $10 million, $13 million because of one employee that can't keep his hands to himself without a lot of people knowing. the president of the united states put his name behind him. that's terrible. number two, roger ailes, trump, o'reilly, three guys known for a kind of bragging predatory behavior with women. one guy in the white house, two of them now out of public life. it looks like women, and people who care about women, and people who have functioning brain stems are starting to win this battle. so you're watching a major moment now in american life, in american culture. it's interesting to me, and i'll say this in my i don't know,
lack of decency, that when they were attacking me, leaving the obama administration, roger ailes was in place, glenn beck and o'reilly was in place. they're all gone. i'm still here. let the justice train move on. >> jason, i want you to respond to what van said. >> look, i can't speak to what mr. o'reilly was saying about van jones, but i think some of van's rhetoric was a little overblown. i think there were a number of false attacks that came out against the president. i think voters decided this. i think it was clear and the fact that the president got 306 electoral votes, the voters took this information and processed it and knocked away. to lump the president in with some of these other cases -- >> that was a videotape, sir, of the president, the candidate at that time, now the president, talking about grabbing someone by the vagina. >> van, and the president apologized for using that language. >> that was not an accusation.
you keep saying the same thing -- >> the president apologized for using that language. [ overlapping speakers ] >> you say, number one, it's all fake news. that wasn't fake news. and number two, because he got a bunch of votes, nothing can stick to him. >> van, why couldn't hillary clinton win the race? >> your only argument isn't about his character, it's not about who he is or the fact that the culture is now turning, even in fox news, the last bastion of this sort of behavior is collapsing, and you want to talk about an election from november. you're not getting the message. >> these are two different issues, van, what was going on at the other network and the unfounded attacks against the president are two completely different issues. >> if that's true, why did president trump put himself on the line and associate himself with bill o'reilly? to your point, he -- >> van, i --
>> he rujumps into it because h thinks this behavior is okay, and guess what? americans don't anymore. >> you're putting words in the president's mouth. i have not discussed this with the president, but he's been friends with mr. o'reilly for a number of decades, and all the interactions he's had with mr. o'reilly have been very professional. >> what does that have to do with anything? this is what -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> one at a time. kirsten, go ahead. >> this is what donald trump said about roger ailes, that he's friends and roger was always a gentleman, so he knows roger would never sexually harass anyone. i said, why would how he treats you have any bearing on how he treats women in private? somehow because he's friends with bill o'reilly, he knows how bill o'reilly behaves in private with women. >> i think he was talking about
his relationship with mr. o'reilly -- >> no, he wasn't. he was talking about -- when i spoke to him, he was talking specifically whether roger ailes harassed anymore. and he's done the same thing with donald trump. he's claimed that he knows something that he simply cannot know. >> he did say that bill o'reilly should not settle, because he didn't think bill o'reilly did anything wrong. >> right. but i think this is -- the effort to try to make this a big pig pile on the president is somehow connected to mr. trump, i think is just a bridge too far here. look, the voters have decided this. the president was very clearly speaking to what he thought about his relationship with mr. o'reilly. and the president knows what it's like to have unfounded attacks being thrown at him. >> we'll leave it with jason having the last word. the white house doubling down, saying it doesn't matt they are the "uss carl vinson" was on its way to the indian
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white house press secretary sean spicer doubled down when questioned about misstatements the white house made about the "uss carl vinson" location and movements. many americans were under the impression it had been ordered to the korean peninsula after north korea's missile test. the truth turned out to be more complicated, though you wouldn't know it from mr. spicer's remarks today. >> we have an armada going towards the peninsula, that's a
fact, it is happening. the statement put out that it was headed to the korean peninsula. it is headed there, it will arrive there -- >> it said there now. >> but that's not what we ever said. we said it was heading there, and it was heading there, it is heading there. >> headed, heading, confusion began when president trump said what sou -- sent a direct message to kim jong-un after the missile launch. >> we are sending an armada, very powerful. we have submarines, very powerful. far more powerful than the aircraft carrier. that i can tell you. and we have the best military people on earth, and i will say this, he is doing the wrong thing. >> that same day sean spicer said this. >> i think when you see a
carrier group steaming into an area like that, the forward presence is through almost every instance a huge deterrence. >> sending, steaming. without getting into the grammar weeds, it sounded like something was happening at that very moment. but in fact, the carrier group was going in the opposite direction to take part in planned exercises with the australian navy. the barbara starr has the latest. >> reporter: when the navy first announced the aircraft carrier "uss carl vinson" was headed near the korean peninsula, it neglected to mention it would first do exercises off australia before heading for korea. the white house today attempted to clean up the confusion. >> it was announced that it was going. it will be there. >> reporter: the carrier will arrive as soon as next week on station, between the korean peninsula and japan. conducting routine but visible flight operations, says a u.s.
defense official. but those confusing media messages could have had national security implications. >> this could be just considered a mistake or a miscommunication between the navy and the pentagon and the pentagon and the white house. that's fine. you have mistakes sometimes in military operations. but when you have these kinds of mistakes and it sends an indicator that there is a lack of coordination, a lack of coordinated effort, it could be problematic to friends and foes alike. >> defense secretary james mattek defended the mixed messages. >> the bottom line in our effort to be open about what we're doing, we said we were going to change the "vinson's" upcoming schedule. >> as for the overall message on north korea, those within the administration appear to be taking on the good cop, bad cop routine. >> just in the past two weeks, the world witnessed the strength and resolve of our new
president, in actions taken in syria and afghanistan. north korea would do well not to test his resolve. >> a different tone from the national security adviser, emphasizing a peaceful solution and noting a reliance on what other administrations have tried. >> this problem is coming to a head. so it's time for us to undertake all actions we can short of a military option, to try to resolve this peacefully. and so we're going to rely on our allies, like we always do. >> reporter: as we always do. so right now, it's a bit unclear how the trump administration policy is new or different. anderson? >> barbara, thanks. keeping them honest now why the white house seems so reluctant to admit when they make a mistake about anything, jason miller is back, with paul begala. paul, is there -- is this just a mistake, was it intentional? is there harm here, long-term in
terms of the trust that people have in what the white house says? >> the president has systematically damaged the credibility of the united states of america, and that's a big problem. if i might pull on a different thread than barbara's report. it's bad that they used the present tense when they should have used the future tense. that was a mistake and an important one. much more important than he told maria that we have stationed submarines off the coast. i used to have a top secret coast. submarines go below the water. they are covert. we don't want our enemies to know what covert capacities we are bringing to bear, and he's just bucket mouthing the stuff out. i really -- i would not be surprised if comments like that make senior military and intelligence officials worry that maybe they have to edit what they tell the commander in chief, which is a disaster. because he just is like -- he's
just emotionally incontinent. he just spews out whatever has been fed to him. you can't tell your adversaries that you have covert submarines off their coast, because they're covert. >> jason, should the white house be saying look, if the white house says we're sending troops to this region to bolster our security, it does sound like they're actually on their way or about to be on their way, opposed to they'll get there in a week or two once they make a stop once they do an exercise with another military. >> i'm still trying to figure out what the big deal is here. the fact is, the president said that these ships were on the way and they are on the way. he didn't say that they would be arriving at this particular location at this time and they didn't arrive. he said they were on the way. if they stopped somewhere and conducting some exercises on the way, enroute to the korean peninsula, i don't think that's a big deal. quite frankly, i think going
back to barbara's package a moment ago, the bigger story from the last 24 hours or so is the tough message that vice president pence took to south korea and japan and other allies in the region, coupling trade and security issues, and making it clear we need our allies to be pulling their fair share. i think it's been very much underreported. going back to the military for a moment, i couldn't disagree with paul more. everything i've seen from the president, whether it be with regard to syria or his handling with north korea, i think has been very good. finally, we have an administration that's doing something about north korea. after eight years of absolute inaction, which, again, it boggles the mind, on the way out president obama said this was the single biggest threat. but what gone done with regard to north korea in eight years? >> jason, isn't the point -- isn't the fact that the reason the president highlighted the fact that an armada, which is not what really it is, but that an armada is heading towards
north korea, that is a way of projecting strength. the reason the president brought that up was to show that he was doing something about north korea, but what he said was not accurate. it gave the impression it gave the impression he was doing something in a faster way or in a more significant way than it really was. >> here is where i disagree. i push back. obviously, we're getting information from public reports and things that have been coming out. we don't know the time when he said that what was happening in between. certainly, they could have directed the ships and sent them immediately. if that was the cause and what they needed to do. for whatever reasons they're seeing, they made a decision that they can complete the exercises before going. i don't see where this is a big deal. they're continuing to go to the region. we're sending a strong message to north korea. the president is doing a very good job with the military and foreign affairs. >> paul, they were going the other direction when he said
that. >> right. they were going 3500 miles in the other direction. he just -- he is our president. he is my president. i really want him to succeed, but he's not up to this. he needs to be quiet. moving that armada, that carrier strike group is a huge message. one you don't have to trumpet in an interview on cable news or on your twitter machine. the thing speaks for itself. i think he needs to increase pressure on north korea and china. that's good. i'm glad my country is doing that. i'm glad my president is doing it. he needs to shut up. he says these things all wrong. this is the problem, america, that a minority of you voted for a guy, first time in history
with no military and no governmental experience. we may pay a terrible price for that. >> i would disagree as i think it's important we send a message and sometimes that's going to be through the media, sometimes that's going to be when folks realize that there's a -- >> not from some loud mouth >> we will have to agree to disagree. >> we leave it on that. jason miller, paul bagala. coming up, aaron hernandez found dead hanging from a bed sheet in his prison cell. look as his rise and fall from grace. what happened next. ♪ ♪i'ma wade, i'ma wave through the waters♪ ♪tell the tide, "don't move" ♪freedom! freedom! i can't move ♪freedom, cut me loose! ♪freedom! freedom! where are you?♪ ♪cause i need freedom too! ♪freedom! freedom! freedom! freedom!♪ ♪what you want from me? ♪is it truth you seek? oh father can you hear meee...ooow?♪
it's an abrupt end to a short life. the violence and tragedy convicted murder er aaron hernandez found hanged in his prison cell. he hanged himself with a bed sheet. he was just 27 years old. >> reporter: they got it wrong. that's all aaron hernandez had to say as he began his life sentence without parole for murder. that was april 2015. it was a stunning fall from grace for a player with so much promise. trouble started early on. when he was 16, the future nfler's father died from complications following a hernia
operation. hernandez began to rebel against authority. still, in high school in bristol, connecticut, he set state records for touch downs and receiving yards and was named player of the year. later at the university of florida, he was an all american tight end and a national champion. he entered the nfl draft shortly after his junior season but some teams steered clear, giving his reputation for marijuana use, guns and gangs. some who knew him considered his choice of friends thugs. but that didn't keep the new england patriots away. the team took a chance on him as the 113th pick. at just 20 years old, hernandez became the youngest nfl player on an active roster. he got a contract extension, too. signing a $40 million deal. >> it's a life long dream. still kind of surreal. take it in over the next few days, months, years. just it's a blessing.
hopefully i make the right decisions with it. have a good life. >> reporter: life was good. but less than a year after inking his new contract, hernandez was suddenly on the hook for not one, but three murders. in 2012, hernandez was accused of gunning down two men outside a nightclub in boston. earlier, one of the men had apparently spilled a drink on hernandez. >> the defendant had become increasingly sensitive and angered by what he believed to be people testing, trying or disrespecting him when he frequented nightclubs in the area. >> reporter: the following year, a man claimed hernandez shot him in the face and left him for dead. in june 2013, hernandez shot and killed oden lloyd. they found shell casings at the scene. surveillance cameras at hernandez's home showed him holding what police believed was the murder weapon before he
went to meet lloyd. the gun was never found. there was a text message from lloyd to his sister, sent minutes before he was killed. nfl just so you know. >> that was shocking to a lot of us. >> reporter: hernandez was found guilty and sentenced to life for lloyd's death. just last week, he was cleared in the 2012 double murder of the men outside the boston nightclub. his little girl looked on in court. hernandez wasn't going home. instead, aaron hernandez was returned to his eight by ten cell at state prison where he was expected to live for many years to come. randi kaye, cnn, new york. well, we're going to take a short break. when we come back the end of the bill o'reilly era at fox news. it's ending with multiple sexual harassment accusations. the latest on all of it. a new look at the new cnn series premiering tomorrow night.
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