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family and the family of his victim? here to discuss cnn political commentators. good evening, all of you. thank you. welcome to the show, as they say. david, i know i don't know have to tell you but over the past two weeks we have seen air strikes in syria, largest bomb ever used in combat dropped in afghanistan. a war of words with north korea over nuclear weapons. today the trump administration turn today iran. what's happening with iran now? >> yes, so after a campaign where president trump said over and over again that the iran deal was the worst possible deal the u.s. could have gotten, that we should have negotiated, that he was going to deal tougher with iran, two things happened today. yes, tillerson came out and
scolded iran for their support of statement sponsorship of terrorism, which they do, which is a problem. but did not sort of highlight the fact that today the trump administration came out with its scheduled report saying that as far as our intelligence knows iran is comporting for the deal. the challenge with the trump administration is, look, they didn't like the iran deal, the republicans didn't like the iran deal. but if you scrap the deal now, don, you're starting over the deal, and there's no way to get the allies back to the table. >> we heard how many times how candidate trump said he was going to tear this deal up. and here it is, almost the 100-day milestone. you think he's feeling pressure to do it it? >> i think it would be a sugar high, a fee good for republicans who were almost uniformally against it. and i think in terms of
president trump having not been able to sort of make good on most of the things or very few of the things he promised to do in the first 100-days, they would like that political notch on that belt. but i think president trump and some of his military advisers who have that experience, based on what we know right now, it's not a win to get rid of this deal. if you get rid of that deal, what do you have? then you have iran saying fine, they wash their hands of that nuclear agreement. iran doesn't want to be sanctioned, but they wouldn't mind going back to building their nuclear. >> let's talk about policy now, and the story of this quote, armada, that was supposedly heading to the korean peninsula. how sean spicer tried to explain it today. >> that's a fact. it happened.
it is happening, rather. the statement that was put out was that the province group was headed to the korean peninsula. it is heading to the korean peninsula. >> it's headed there now, though. >> sure, but that's not what we ever said. there should have been clarification from people seeking it. that's where it ended up. >> why has the administration never clarified? because it definitely, the intent we heard was it was headed there now. >> with all due respect, it was motmy -- we were asked a question. that's not true. what i was asked, is what signal did it send that it was going there am. and answered it signaled the president's strengthen and reassurance to our allies. >> abbey, what's your reaction to what's you hear there?
>> this is someone saying that, you know, your relative is dead. but they mean is their rel tchb is going to die at some point in the future. it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. the white house and other officials were leer clearly talking about movement that wasn't happening, at least not in the direction they were explaining. the armada was not headed toward the korean peninsula. it was headed in the opposite direction. and the fact it's headed there now is a completely different scenario. but i will say this and other examples illustrates how this white house and the administration are willing to use optics really as their foreign policy in instances. especially when the comes to korea where there's been a lot of talk of being finished with, quote strategic plans with north korea. there's a lot of signaling, not all lot of substance behind what
we're seeing at this moment. and i think this is no different from that. >> okay, jason, this is your field because you were a trump senior communication advisor. someone said to have a communication like this, doesn't exactly send the best image to our allies or to our enemies. do they need to run a tiger ship here? >> i think the president is doing fantastic so far. when we take a look at syria, take a look at north korea, even the question that -- >> that's not the question i asked you. i asked you a question about the armada. >> they didn't say it was going to there on thursday. they didn't give a specific day or time. this is a completely ridiculous argument. the fact of the matter is finally after eight years of -- >> jason, stick to the question. >> i'm answering the question. >> now, you're not. you're talking about the obama administration. i'm asking you about this
particular strgs's response to the armada. that's like me saying don, are you on your way home? no, i'm sitting on television. but after i will be on my way home. my question is should they be more specific about their answers instead of trying to clarify it day after day after day? >> i think for the reporters who were getting flussered and flustered by it, they need to get over it. they said the ships were going. they are. that's the issue at hand. am i missing something? >> yes, you are. you're missing accuracy, and when you ask a direct question just like i asked you a direct question, immediately you -- but if a reporter asked sean spicer or the president a director question, then that person deserves a director answer. >> but they didn't see -- >> communications 101 is what
you learn when you are at the bottom rung as a press assistant. and jason knows this. sean spicer, for that matter, knows this. what sean spicer does day after day after day is stand up at the podium and desecrate the podium with lies, i don't know, maybes. you know that's absolutely true, jason. >> jace wherein, i'll let you respond. go ahead, jason. >> you can't say the press secretaries get up there and just throw an attack like this. >> i can. >> well, you can say that on the show, but i think sean does a very good job on the podium. going back to the issue at hand, they're sending additional ships to the korean peninsula. they never said they were going to be there on any specific day. they were eventually going there -- >> why does the trump administration and its
surrogates, it'sficials get to work through all these loophole, always add an and, but, this, and that. we need the administration to be clear. and we're not getting that from the trump stgz. >> i'll tell you who's not confused, assad. who's not confused, kim jung-un. >> maybe we should get them to -- thank you. we've got to go. when we come back bill o'reilly fired from his job at fox news. (male #1) it's a little something
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after millions in settlements and wassens of lost advertisers fox lowered the boom on its star bill o'reilly today in the wake of multiple allegations of sexual harassment. joining me now. good evening, to all of you. i watched you guys go at it on that show. >> those were the good old gays. >> those were the good old days. bryan, i want you to give us the latest on how all this went down. >> we don't know exactly what
those investigations found, but it found enough. it found enough to remove o'reilly without much of a fight. think about this, oraily did not put up much of a fight against this. he doesn't seem to be wanting to battle with the people who are now letting him go. ? allen, how did you react to that? well, i have a theory. i can't prove it, but you remember there was a tape, a tape of o'reilly himself making sexual noises. that tape was sealed as part of the settlement. i suspect the firm got access to that tape, and o'reilly could not survive the release of that tape. so my theory is another deal has been made with him now. the tape doesn't come out, he survives, and he leaves gently with just a nice thank you, et cetera much. >> allen, there's another attorney at the table who
represents several of the accusers here. >> i represent three of the accusers, and i can tell you what's been going down. and that is giving them the evidence ask the witnesses to kraubt the claims brought my clooe clients who have come forward since "the new york times." so we knew that his new contract said he could be terminated if there were new complaints. to vet them, make sure they were good complaints, and then bring them to fox news. that's what we did. the lawyers in my lawfirm have been working very hard with this. they walked through the fire, they walked through the fear and called into the hot line that fox told them to call, that's how we did this. >> there was another accuser, complaint today. >> there's no comparison between cumulative accusations and his voice on a tape.
his voice on a tape -- >> yeah, but that's already been heard since 2004. andr andrea -- allen, i am actually very familiar with these. >> again, there's no evidence of this. >> i'm not just shooting from the hip here. i've actually read the transcription of the tape. >> there's no comparison in reading the transcript and just spitballing. he's just making things up. >> okay, okay. let's get this back on track. brian, there was another accuser today, someone who was a frequent contributor on the show. >> on the o'reilly show -- i don't watch fox enough. but she had been a guest about several years ago. she said o'reilly would say things that weren't
inappropriate. she couldn't call it sexual harassment, but believes it will be inappropriate. she spoke last year, but did not want to be named. only today did she call the hot line to share this information. so another woman in fox trying to raise red flags. >> he was a cultural icon -- well, he is. but also he had a big conservative influence. >> absolutely. bill o'reilly's a fascinating figure. first of all, he's a genius. he's a master of making good tv. he didn't mind telling you how tal wanted he was. he would literally say this to me. he said this is as hard as it looks. he also had a considerable amount of impact. what he said mattered. he galvanized people.
people had a significant reaction to what bill o'reilly said and thought. but the underside of that is at the same time he had this cultural impact and sort of saw himself as a steward of american culture and american values, there's all these people at fox news making claims. i've been around o'reilly a lot. i've certainly never witnessed it, but i've certainly heard people at fox saying these things were happening. >> this isn't just about some remarks, even discussing things that were caught on tape. this is about driving the accusers not only out of fox news but out of the television industry. he really did some damage. all of these women actually have the legal right to complain about sexual harassment in america and keep their jobs. >> right. >> and what hads moat vatded me in this fight for the last few weeks is how dare they drive women out who have the right to
that decency in their employment. >> what's interesting to me. it wasn't the complaints that ultimately moved fox news. fox news doesn't have -- it has interest. they were ultimately losing too much money. >> you were talking about driving -- it lost three of its biggest stars. and here's bill o'reilly defending roger ailes. listen to this. >> work work said for roger ailes for 20 years. best boss i ever had. straight shooter. i believe that over the business he's been in business for 50 years. almost all people would tell you the exact same thing i told you.
>> without roger ailes was o'reilly left without his most powerful ally? >> look, he survived even after many accusations over many, many years. something happened which was different. ask it wasn't just the accumulation of acoorsers. something different happened which allowed him to leave with his career still intact, otherwise he wouldn't have left. that's not bill o'reilly. so there's something we don't know. i suspected the tape, others think something else. but it's not the accumulation. because his fans would continue to support him whether it was 13 women wrosh 15 women, 20 women. listening to his voice on tape, that would have discouraged everything. >> we just don't actually have proof of it. a lot of things could be true. what's interesting to me is not
just the accumulation, it's advertisers. it's not just there's so many women we have to walk away, the issue was so many advertisers were walking away. >> it was a concerted effort by a group of women led by me and my law firm who day after day after day were culling in complaints, who were going on tv despite the fear, putting public pressure on, going to the advertisers. maybe it's the actual people who made this happen. maybe that's what happened, allen. >> why didn't he fight back? >> this is part of the next question. i also think part of this is because the culture has changed 3467 i think the cultural has change. and certainly when we look at all the cosby accusers and what's happening with bill cosby, i think the cullhairture's changed. i don't think women are putting up with this, the culture is
putting up with this. i think it might have been a confluence of things that led to this particularly moment. he could survive without advertisers. >> the answer is all of the above, so many pieces that line up with this situation. the advertisers are banning him, reports of new women coming forward for the first time, finding courage to do so. and all of those factors made it impossible for o'reilly to hold onto his spot. >> this is his statement basically saying this is witch-hunt. he said it's tremendously disheartening we partways due to completely unfounded claims, but that is the unfortunate reality many of us must live with today. i will always look back on my time at fox with great pride. what's your response to that. >> if it's a witch-hunt,
ding-dong, the witch is dead. and if it's unfounded why did fox news and its parent company find sufficient reason to fire him sphwe worked with them day after day, giving them the evidence they needed to say these charges are substantiated. these things did not just happen. they were made to happen by my clients and the law firm for all our hard work. they were terrified, but ultimately they did this. >> and if it wasn't for them telling their story, this wouldn't have come out. for year's the media organizations, watch organizations that have spoken out not just about sexual harassment, all this stuff has been part of a conservative effort to challenge the errors that come out of fox news. >> thank you all. i appreciate it. when we come back former new
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prison officials in massachusetts say that former new england patriots star aaron hernandez was found dead in his cell from apparent suicide. he was serving his first year of conviction in murder. susan, good evening to you. the aaron hernandez suicide came oza shocker. he went from incredibly taloned to the credibly troubled. take us through what happened today and how hernandez came to a tragic end. >> well, don, this is a stunner. and like so many people i woke up to the news just shaking my head. just five days after he's found not guilty of killing two people, when he was emotional and hugging his lawyers and a life sentence for killing oden lloyd, usually there are hourly
checks but at 3:00 a.m. he's found dead hang from a bed sheet attached to his window. efforts to revive him failed. such a praumtsing life and a career ending like this. for many of those who knew him from his hometown in bristol, connecticut, sadness. he had such a great start in life. the idea that hernandez could have murdered three young men shocks those who remember him growing up in bristol, connecticut. >> aaron was our golden boy. he had the family traits. his father and uncle were standout athletes. older brother d.j. was a sports hero too. >> bob montgomery covers sports. >> he did track, football, and basketball. he was describeds a man playing
with children. >> hernandez's athletic ability was partly genetic, partly parental influence. >> his father was pretty strict. he told me his father used to make him shoot sometimes 500 shots just to play with his friends. >> that father, son relationship obviously came up after his arrest. >> i saw a closeness with them i had never seen before. there was something about the way they intertwined. it was magic in my eyes. >> magic that didn't last ending when hernandez was just 16 years old. brad mcmillen and andrea mac golly were on his basketball team. >> they said dennis has passed away. >> dennis hernandez, aaron's
father, his anchor died unexpectedly after routine hernia surgery. >> it felt uncomfortable to see him so hurt. >> at 16 years old, losing your father it would be very easy to fall into the lifestyle of following people who don't help you make the best choices. >> then he goes onto the universe of florida, gets greats stats. a but as my sources told me he had issues. he was cited, for example, for using marijuana. and once when he was out at a bar with quarterback tim tebow, he gets into a beef over a bar bill. and police say that hernandez sucker puchged the bar manager causing him to lose his hearing for a time. and then there were just other issues as well. we talked to several people who said he had a hair trigger
anger. and my sources said as long as they could keep an eye on him on the field, no problem. the problem was when he was away from the field. and they called it a recipe for disaster. don. >> susan, let's talk about this a little bit more. because the death of his father, does it all come -- send him back to that moment? because a lot of people who have those issues dent end up where hernandez is. >> well, that is what a lot of people believe happened and really played a m about the she and missing his father. and the father tried to get him to talk about that and open up about it. and they were very close, and things did seem to take a dark turn after his father's death. when we come back i want to talk about what could be a bizarre twist in this case.
so his attorney issued a statement about the apparent statement. and here's what he said. the fmally and legal team is shocked and surprised at the news of aaron's death. there were no conversation of correspond from iron to his legal team or family that would have indicated anything libe this was possible. aaron was looking for a second opportunity to prove his innocence. those who care about him are heartbroken and determined to find out the truth about his untimely death. found in the prison hernandez was in, has a terrible reputation for violence. a lot of people are questioning hernandez committed suicide at all. what do you think? >> well, there certainly ought tee be an investigation. he just won an acquittal. he had at least some chance of previle veiling on appeal, certainly getting the chance of
getting the charge lowered from first degree murder to offense. in the first trial the prosecution tried to introduce evidence from the first trial in the second trial. it's very fortunate the judge kept that out. this is tragic for everybody, certainly for the victims, certainly for his family. but the rule in massachusetts and the rule in many other places is that if the rule is still pending, then the conviction can't really stand because the defendant didn't really have a chance to complete the criminal process, which includes an appeal. >> yeah, i want to talk about it. let's put that up now. this is the bizarre legal twist because he died before his appeal process could be resolved. for all-purposes, his conviction is wiped out.
here's how the chief described it. it says as if the case never existed. why is that law on the books, and do you think it's a fair one? >> first of all, that overstates it. he doesn't go completely as if it never existed. what happens is under the law because the appellant process hasn't been completed, he is deemed as if the conviction hasn't occurred. for legal purposes the conviction didn't occur. so for example, the family of victims trying to sue him cannot say look, there's been a conviction and therefore we don't have to prove the crime itself. all we have to prove is damages. now the fmally will have to go and probably have to prove the crime itself. and so it makes it more difficult for the family, but it's not like as if nothing happened. you can't erase. you can't unring the bell of
life in this way. >> what does it mean for the daughter and wife as far as keeping his money? >> well, i mean that certainly as allen will be explaining, that will be taken up in civil court. so it's unclear how this will impact them. and there's also the consideration, don, as you indicated what about the victim's families of oden lloyd as an example? his mother, i spoke to his attorney today and he said he actually hopes this won't have any bearing on the civil judgment. he won a summery judgment already. and they're now battling over the liability charges. so he already has one summery judgment for getting hernandez's home and car. and he said the mother of that
victim, who frafb lloyd said justice is justice no matter what happens next. >> susan, he was acquitted for a double murder charge just this past friday. i want to mention that. and his attorneys were appealing the 2013 murder conviction that landed imhad a life sentence. why would he kill himself now? >> yeah, that is the question, of course, everyone is asking. and there's no evidence of any suicide note. interestingly one of his former teammates at the universe of florida, mike pouncy for the miami dolphins, he post said on instagram today that he had a conversation with hernandez just the other day and talked about his heart hurting. that is to say mike pouncy's heart hurting over what has happened. and i also had contact with the widow of one of the double murder victims, daniel, and his wid yo said that she just
doesn't know what to make of it. she's as shocked as everyone else. as she put it, gosh, she said that he's a young man who had so many chances and that his guilt caught up to him. those are her words. >> allen, you talked about the acquittal. did he stand a good chance of acquittal in the oden lloyd case, in your opinion? >> i wouldn't say a good chance. he could have actually been released after some years. but getting back to the civil liability, remember the o.j. simpson case. he had acquittal of a crime, but nevertheless he was successfully sued. so the fact there is no conviction doesn't mean it never happened. it meaned the criminal purposes never happened, but the civil purposes, the family has a right to establish it did happen.
my thought is the family in the end will be able to collect. >> who's going to lead this investigation into whether it was a suicide or whether something else happen, allen? >> well, i think the zrirkt attorney's office has to lead the investigation. he was blessed with two of the best lawyerers representing him. they did a terrific job, and they're not going to let go. they're going to make sure there is a transparent investigation. and i think everybody is interested in knowing what happened. nobody wants to a murder in a prison. you've got to make sure the prisoners are protected against other prisoners. >> the same day his team won the super bowl. i mean, my goodness. >> the timing of this is aizmagging. you have to know did he go down
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tomorrow night at 10:00 right here on cnn. it's called sown tracks, songs that define history. it explores the impact of moouzic history on our lives. i got a chance to chat with andra day one-on-one. you're really on a role. your first album studio came out. "cheers to the fall." you had two grammy nominations. you performed your hit "rise up" at the white house twice. your voice has been compared. i mean what does it feel like to be andra? >> i mean you don't sleep very much. you're busy. i can't say this is exactly what i dreamed about when i was young
because this has turned out to be bigger than my dreams. and i'm grateful for that. i guess honestly what i experience every day is just gratitude. ♪ and i rise up >> so rise up, that came out of -- >> it really started as a prayer. i personalized. my friend had just been diagnosed with cancer. and when you're an artist you sort of romanticize what the music business is before you start working in it. and when you get in it, there's a lot of things that surprise you. some of good, some are bad. so it was kind of navigating that and questioning my path and what i should be doing. and i remember just praying and asking god, just speak, speak
something that would be encouraging to me right now. >> i remember watching the convention, the 2016 convention and everybody was kind of speechless. the audience was speechless because of this moment, the mother's of the slain boys. they stood on stage in support of hillary clinton. so tell me about that appearance and the emotion for that moment with those grieving yet strong women? >> i think, well, first of all i was kind of caught by surprise. i didn't know i was going on right after them. so to meet them backstage, to see them backstage, i didn't even know they were going to be there. so once i went backstage preparing for the show, i saw them. and i went and was just kind of weeping with them. because it was -- i was sad for
their loss, but i was also inspired. because i haven't had to experience what they specifically have experienced. but they were still here. they were still here. they were lifting their voices. they understood that their purpose for being there was bigger than just them, just their pain. they were speaking to everyone's pain. so it was kind of hard to keep it together at that point? >> your song became the anthem not only for part of the election but for that movement. did you -- do you realize the history in that? >> oh, yeah. oh, absolutely. i was actually speaking to one of the founders of black lives matter the other day, before it was just black lives matter and it was just the justice for
trevin martin movement. for me, the song, my desire is for it to be tran sandant. it just peeks. it says two things. again, it reminds me of the power of my platform and my duty as an artist to create music that, you know, brings about change. but it also kind of reminded me we have a lot of fighting to do still. and just because something's fallen to the back ynd, it doesn't mean they're not still present, we're not dealing with these things. so it's two fold for me. >> let's talk about sound that define history. you're in a lot. it defines music, pivotal history. it talks about dr. martin luther king, jr., all those things.
why did you want to do this series? >> you know, i -- you know, i'm drawn to you it first of all because everyone in it made music that inspired me and made me into the artist i am now. but i see just looking throughout history and then through my own life how inflewenchal music is. it can change history around the world and legislation, and give us freedom we've been looking for, equalitity we've been looking for. >> do you think the music would have been the same without the sound track? >> i think the movement would not have been the same. i don't think it would have been the same time line without the music. i think the music needed to happen and it was borne out of necessity obviously. i don't think the time line would have been the same. i don't think the awareness would have been the same.
it was kind of music that spoke into people's spirits and psyche to say what is the music talking about? we need to be aware of what's going on. i think the music wouldn't have happened, it wouldn't have looked the same. >> it has been a pleasure. >> oh, always, always. thank you. >> it was an indeed an honor. before we leave you tonight here's a prerue of a musical journey like any other. the new series premiers tomorrow night at 10:00. >> music is an explosive expression of humanity. >> i can hear you. the rest of the world hears you. the music will always remind us that it is possible. that is what anth themes are ma of. >> it's about standing up for your rights. >> they were killing our own
children. >> it was a cultural, political statement. >> music is a vehicle for revolution. >> that kind of courage changed how i viewed human beingess. >> with the aftermath of 9/11 everyone was in it together. >> someone's got to put it into emotions for everyone to hear. >> this is how we remember history. >> sound tracks, songs that define history premiers tomorrow at 10:00 on cnn.
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. there has been a slew of adversaries, rush is standing firm. we'll have the latest on this diplomatic stare-down. the face of skabl news detloeped, bill o'reilly is out. what's next for the new yorker? >> good morning. i'm alison kosic. >> i'm dave briggs. certainly a changing of the guard at fox news, we start this morning with the trump