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is president trump governing from his gut? and what's his next move? this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. high praise for china, and no role in libya. is this administration all over the map when it comes to foreign policy? and will we pay a price with our
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enemies and our allies? plus, a huge victory for women who accused bill o'reilly of sexual harassment. the fox star out of a job. an even more powerful man caught on tape bragging about ha raszing women is in the white house. how much has america really changed? let's get right to the president's foreign policy and new questions about russia and the election. david and michael allen staff director, and cnn national security analyst juliet. david, tonight, reuters is reporting that a russian government think tank controlled by vladimir putin developed a plan to undermine americans' faith in the electoral system and swing the election to trump. the russian institute for strategic studies released a statement. it says, in quote, in part, quote, we are certainly not as qualified nor have the purpose of committing the pre-prepared
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information operation the media now looks like we did. and then putin spokesperson says this. i don't know anything about it. i can just say that seven anonymous sources can't be valued as one real source as long as they are citing seven anonymous sources, this is the way to tree this information. so david, i know you worked on this piece. how closely tied is this think tank to putin? >> it's very closely tied. it's government funded. putin names the head of it. and the head of it, when this plan, the paper came out was a 33-year year veteran of russian foreign intelligence. this is basie inically a docume that concluded that the russians weren't only trying to undermine the faith in the election results, but it towelly help trump win. remember, there was a change initially in october, they talked about the meddling later on. they get this document after the
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november election. there's a new finding in january to say they did it to help trump. >> juliet, how significant is this report? it was compiled by an outside think tank, not by a russian government agency. >> it's significant only to show the extent to which putin and his very different tentacles throughout russia were engaged in this attack. i remind people one of the most fascinating facts was their explanation of what actually this hacking was. we have a tendency to believe russia just threw a lot of things at the wall and lo and behold, it stuck. and trump is president. actually, what it showed is it was a very targeted sort of attack, fake news, the facebook post, everything else, in specific states. and that kind of thinking, that kind of planning clearly had both sort of the think tank aspects to it, and of course the intelligence and political aspects to it. this is a whole of government
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effort by the russians. and each piece just starts to fill in some of the questions that we have about how long putin had been thinking about this. >> in october, this think tank warned clinton was likely to win the election. and argued it was better for russia to intensify its messaging about voter fraud rather than pro-trump propaganda. what do you make of that, mike? >> i think that sounds about right. look, at the end of the day, they may have been for trump against clinton. but really, their overall strategy is to discredit the west, to bring divisions between us and our allies and nato. that's why you see their activity in the french elections that will occur this weekend. and so at the end of the day, i think this is par for the course for russia. it's part of their disinformation strategy. and they have really re-ignited sort of a cold war as far as intelligence is concerned. and so i see this report as confirming what many of us
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already suspected. >> so david, reuters said these documents were an essential part of what brought the obama administration to the conclusion that russia set out to support, you know, the trump campaign and undermine the clinton campaign. what can you tell us about that? >> again, we trust these sources, these are sort of career public servants. they're not obama appointees. so i think it shows a sophisticated campaign by russia to help trump. the big question is, of course, was there collusion. still, all of us have been looking at this, many news organizations, the fbi investigation, the congressional investigation, we have found no proof of collusion. but that is the big question, the sort of big next step in what happened. was there any trump associate that somehow worked with this russian -- >> you're not reporting on the collusion -- >> we've found no evidence. clearly there was a big effort, sophisticated effort. some was covert. but the next step, the big question is, was there any
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collusion? again, we have no evidence of it by any trump associates with this sophisticated russian effort. >> mike, we are learning about congressman mike quigley, a democrat on the house intelligence committee, to cypress, as part of the panel of the russian investigation. it comes after an associated press report that treasury officials obtained information regarding financial payments, former trump campaign chairman
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paul manafort received. >> i know from some of my background, a lot of the banks in that area of the world, particularly in cypress, are not exactly up to snuff as far as some of the financial regulations, and financial regulations that we expect from international banks. it's a bit curious, i should say, for a democratic member to be over in cypress, maybe without a corresponding republican member of the staff doing the investigation. but what it shows is the democrats are very serious about running down every lead, and trying to get to the bottom of just what might have happened between the links between trump and russia. >> congressman quigley spoke about why he went to cypress. >> you go there pause the russians launder their money there. it has been a key focal point for the russians laundering money and key figures in this investigation. i guess you put two and two together, you understand why you go there. the totality of the circumstances help us connect the dots and unfortunately it creates more dots for us to connect. >> did you find evidence of wrongdoing? of collusion? of anything illegal? >> you know, again, i can't reveal what i was told in confidence. >> trying to connect the dots. is it possible the dots just don't connect?
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>> that is always possible. and these investigations take a long time. so the idea that at any moment there's going to be some smoking gun, i think the totality of evidence is as i've been saying, steering away from benign. i think there's too many coincidences. i think this focus on cypress clearly has to do with manafort. for a while we were focused on mike flynn. now there's a tremendous focus on manafort who has essentially gone quiet. we don't hear much about him anymore. we do not know if what the fbi is looking at has nothing to do with political collusion. about you with the weird economic ties that have been bouncing around between trump's inner circle and the russians. that's why one would go to cypress. but i also -- i found it sort of weird free lancing to just have a single democratic house member go without an fbi agent, my understanding is, there's an fbi investigation going on. you do want to preserve evidence
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under some belief that there might be a criminal case at some stage. >> stick around, everybody. when we come right back, the attack on the heart of paris today. njget your fiber. try phillips' fiber good gummies. they're delicious... and a good source of fiber to help support regularity. mmm. these are good. nice work, phillips'! try phillips' fiber good gummies!
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isis claims a man who shot a paris police officer to death today was an islamic state fighter. the suspect was shot dead by police. back with me, david, michael and juliette. isis claimed responsibility
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right away. it's unusual to hear a claim of responsibility so quickly. does that tell you anything? >> yeah, it tells us a lot. it was an announcement in multiple languages, seemed ready to go once they knew the attack had been done. this means this was an isis directed attack. we say isis inspired, and isis inspired means they knew this was going to happen. they called him the belgian, so they knew who it was. he was under some surveillance by french authorities. so while this was not a high consequence of that, it obviously is a change from the sort of -- what we've gotten used to is the isis inspired, what we call the lone wolf. and suggests that through the communications and various apps they're using, they're still able to communicate with europeans who will then plan these attacks. this is different from the ones we've more recently been talking about. >> mike, according to a source close to the investigation, the
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suspect in this paris shooting has been identified as a french national. the source said he was involved in a shooting of a french officers in 2001. of course, he went after police again today. what do you make of that? >> well, i think it's curious. i think we're getting to see a pattern here between london and some of the attacks in belgium and now in frons, and it's that a lot of these people have had prior run-ins with police departments, and then later either self-radicalized or become activated by perhaps jihadist propaganda or through their connections with people in the battle zone in syria, iraq, and/or libya. and so i think this is a new development. i think i've read recently that our fbi is actually looking back over these types of cases to see if there's any commonality, to see if there are any clues about just what kind of people that
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already have a rap sheet might do when they really go violent in these cases. >> david, why do you believe this attack was no accident? >> the timing. it makes this issue of terrorism and insecurity a central issue in the final week of the russian presidential campaign. i think isis wants, you know, frankly, candidates that are barring muslims that goes into their propaganda. their recruitment efforts to say this is a war between christianity and islam. so they time it to, you know, to impact the election. >> the president was asked about the paris attack in a press conference today with the italian prime minister. listen. >> first of all, our condolences from our country to the people of france. again, it's happening, it seems. i just saw it as i was walking in. that's a terrible thing. and it's a very, very terrible thing that's going on in the world today. but it looks like another terrorist attack.
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and what can you say. it just never ends. we have to be strong and we have to be vigilant. i've been saying it for a long time. >> he said it looks like another terrorist attack, to be strong and vigilant. but that was before french officials atressed whether it was a terrorist attack. do you think that was responsible for him to do that, mike? >> i thought that he did say there, qualified it with it seems like another terrorist attack. i had the same thought, which is, is he coming out too soon with this. but i've seen since that the french president has more or less said that he believes it's an apparent case of terrorism. so i think the president was right in the supposition that this might be another isis derived or isis inspired or directed attack. and look, when we talk about being vigilant, it's worth reminding ourselves of the reason we need good intelligence
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is to get early warning against just these types of attacks. so that we might be able to better protect our citizens. i think the europeans have a long way to go in sharing intelligence among themselves, so that they can begin to prevent just the type of people and just the type of attacks that we've seen in paris, belgium and recently in london. >> let's talk about iran, juliette. in fact the president was asked about it in the news conference today as well. >> as far as iran is concerned, i think they are doing a tremendous disservice to an agreement that was signed. it was a terrible agreement. it shouldn't have been signed. it shouldn't have been negotiated the way it was negotiated. i'm all for agreements, but that was a bad one. as bad as i've ever seen negotiated. they are not living up to the spirit of the agreement. i can tell you that. and we're analyzing it very, very carefully and we'll have something to say about it in the
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not too distant future. but iran has not lived up to the spirit of the agreement. and they have to do that. they have to do that. so we will see what happens. >> juliette, what kind of a message would it send if the united states unilaterally broke the deal? >> it would be a horrible one. i don't get what's going on. you know, earlier this week, they said -- the state department said it was in compliance. there's no clambering for this right now. it's not like our cup doesn't runneth over. we've got syria, we've got north korea, we've got an attack in paris. the idea that now it's going to be reassessed just a few days after the state department says we're okay right now, is just -- i think an ode to a campaign promise that ought not to be said right now. there's just too much going on. iran is in a good place with us in terms of compliance.
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i'm not saying everything's perfect. but, you know, there's only so many fires that you can have simultaneously. and because i would just say fairly, it's not clear what the doctrine is with any of these activities, whether it's in syria, or korea, or afghanistan with the bombing. it's probably a fight not worth fighting right now. >> thank you all. when we come back, bill o'reilly is gone, but will things really change at fox news. two become one.
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is firing bill o'reilly the beginning of a new era? how much has really changed? let's discuss it. alice stewart, so good to have all of you on. this will be an interesting panel. lauren, you first. two major players at fox news accused of sexual harassment, both gone now, bill o'reilly, roger aels.
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why do you say we're not at the end of the culture shift when it comes to women in the workplace? >> i this i this victory in a lot of ways when you really turn it over is more condemning nan anything else. it was revenue that led to bill o'reilly being ousted. he cut his deal after the revelation. this is not about respecting women. this is about the fact that the appearance of respecting women happens to align with profits. and so i absolutely don't think it's a step -- a significant victory with anything other than kind of a cloud of sexual harassment. >> margaret, i want to ask you about this, something that margaret wrote in "the new york times," that o'reilly's fire something a step in the right direction for fox. but she said it would be refreshing if the conservative media universe would resoundingly reject mr. o'reilly and mr. ale and distance them
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from the mad men culture of the past. do you agree? >> i agree with 90% of what she wrote in that piece. margaret herself had been on the show, been on the show for many years and experienced some of that firsthand. so she knows exactly what she's talking about. i do agree that it appears as though there was some type of mad men mentality over there. and they have taken steps to, of course, correct it. the only thing i do take a little exception with, pointing a finger at conservatives. bill o'reilly was a libertarian, wasn't a movement conserative like sean hannity or rush limbaugh. he really fought for protection of rights. i don't think he certainly spoke for the conservative movement. i think anything, the silence from conservatives is more their desire not to be critical,
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certainly of fox news, as opposed to bill o'reilly. i think fox is taking the right steps in the right direction. this is way long overdue. but it's a good first step. >> that's the point that mar dpret was trying to make, is that not that bill o'reilly necessarily represented conservatives -- >> bill o'reilly worked for a conservative network. >> i think she was talking about people in the conservative movement. and i consider myself a conservative, life-long. but there aren't enough that spoke out and condemned bill o'reilly quickly enough. i think the making the excuses, and i wrote a piece in cosmopolitan how too many in the republican party are willing to excuse away reprehensible behavior in order to circle the wagons to, you know, he said some things we agree with, so we're going to excuse away bad behavior. i think that lack of moral high ground is going to ultimately
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hurt the conservative movement in the long run. look what happened with donald trump. there hasn't been enough people being honest about that. >> this is the 2005 "access hollywood" tape. play this. >> just in case i start kissing her. i'm automatically attracted to beautiful -- i start kissing them. it's like a magnet. when you're a star, they let you do it. you can do anything. grab them by the -- you can do anything. >> president trump a longtime friend of bill o'reilly, appeared on his show 20 times since 2003. and the president faced similar accusations during the campaign. here's the interesting thing. the guy on the tape with him is out of a job. >> that's right. >> right? bill o'reilly is now out of a job. he is now the president of the united states. so what does that tell you? >> it tells me that this country is at a cultural ross roads, that we as a society really need
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to examine where our priorities are. when you start to make excuses for that kind of behavior, reward people for it, because you're upset or because they say a couple things you might like or he's going to do something for me, that's when a republic democracy starts to crumble. >> i want to getter rick in here. eric, you said what happened at fox is more serious than what president trump said to women. why do you think so? >> i didn't say that they were necessarily -- that it was necessarily more or less serious. what i was pointing out was that there were things going on at fox that sort of go beyond what was actually said. bill o'reilly faced an environment where roger ailes had already been ousted, there had already been a law firm that was soliciting stories from women who worked at fox news about sexual harassment. a story had already come out talking about settlements with five women totaling $13 million. then there were groups like color of change and media
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matters that were targeting his advertisers. so there was very specific things about his situation that made it very tough for him to stay in that job that went beyond what he actually said. when you look at billy bush and you look at bill o'reilly, they were both in situations where their comments made them cost their employers money. billy bush was about to take over as co-anchor on an hour of the "today" show, which is heavily watched by women. and i'm sure there was some fear that, you know, their disapproval of what may have happened during that tape would have transferred over to the show when he took over. >> but eric, let me ask you this, what was billy bush's sin, that he didn't condemn donald trump in the moment? is that really as egregious as the words that came out of donald trump's mouth? >> i don't really know what his sin was. i do think that there was probably some concern that
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disapproval from female viewers about what had been said during that tape might have made it for difficult for him to take over at the "today" show. there was some question when that controversy was emerging about whether he had given people at nbc a heads-up about what was coming from that tape. >> also, his sin was being an accomplice in a murder. if you're an accomplice and you don't stop it, then you get punished also. in this case, not comparing it to murder, but i'm just saying, as an accomplice he was kind of egging him on like a frat boy where he didn't think there was anything wrong with that, which is offputting to women who are watching. >> listen, that's all well and good. but we have higher standards for a morning -- >> a higher standard -- the highest office in this country. this is always coming down to profit. this is not about respect for women. we've made a shift toward respecting women. it's unbelievable that this always comes down to that as a
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bill o'reilly may be out of a job, but he's not walking away empty-handed by any means. i spoke to new england patriots allen branch who said he chose not to visit the white house because of president trump's sexist remarks. >> i've been in the nfl for a whole decade and played in college football all my life. you know, i've never heard anyone talk like that so aggressively, so disrespectfully like that about women at all. and maybe it happened in a different locker room. i hope anyone who has respect for their parents, their mom, sisters, daughters, you know, would stop that. because if anything said anything close to that near me, i'm shutting that down right now. i mean, i just -- it's disgusting the way that, you know, he talks about women. and i just -- i can't deal with
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it. that's why i have no interest in going and shaking his hand. >> he said he couldn't look his children in the eye had he -- >> three daughters and a son. >> i love that it's his son, too. it's unfortunate that often women need to be cast in those roles to be humanized. if that's what we have to say to the bill o'reilly's fans, you know, don't you want your daughter, your wife, your loved ones to be in a office without having quid pro quo -- >> here's the thing about what he said that i applauded. i watched that live as it was happening. and i said, yes! it saddens me that so many conservatives bent over backwards and did all of these political gymnastics to excuse away what donald trump did. if that had been a democrat, there would have been -- that wouldn't have happened. >> bill clinton, that's a conservative -- >> they're being absolute
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hypocrites on this. >> bill clinton was -- >> it should have been the same with donald trump. nef have compromised their integrity. >> what bill clinton did was 100% wrong. >> go ahead. >> i applaud what alan said. you look at that "access hollywood" tape. it's disgusting. the comments are despicable. there's absolutely no defense for what he said. if you remember back at the time, they brushed it off as locker room talk. that wasn't a locker room, that was a professional man in a professional setting talking in a disgusting manner. there's certainly no defense for it. and clearly, billy bush was punished because he allowed it to happen and was complicit in it. >> also, if you look at the other part of the tape, he said she looks hot and looked at her legs. there was something there. >> oh, yeah. it was not appropriate comment
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in any way, shape or form and there's no defense of that. my next point is, the fact that billy bush was punished for, you know, essentially being complicit in this, reminds me what tara mentioned, the fact that we knew some of these allegations over at fox news with regard to bill o'reilly, and re-signed his contracts for millions of dollars when they knew it was going on, i think that furthers what tara has said as well as what margaret has said. we can't be complicit. >> people like you and a lot of other people voted for donald trump anyway. you were on this network defending him in other areas. >> not on this topic. not on this topic. >> that should have been disqualifying in and of itself. on top of all of the myriad of other disgusting despicable things that he said about not only women, minorities and everything else that disqualified donald trump to be president in my opinion, me as a conservative, there was no way in the world i could pull a lever for a man like that. millions of people were willing to cast that aside for various
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reasons. and that's the part that bothers me. because people will sit here and say, well, yeah, this is horrible, but you voted for him anyway. he's rewarded for it. >> look, i never did and never will condone the comments he made here, and many, many others. but when it came down to it, at the end of the day, i'm a conservative. i wanted a scalia-like justice on the supreme court, and we have that. that's when you have to put -- to have a scalia-like justice i think it was worth it. >> sexual harassment is worth it? a sexual predator is worth it in the white house? >> that's not what i'm saying at all. >> it is. >> we had someone who was going to appoint liberal justices to the supreme court or someone like donald trump -- >> alice, alice i understand your point. eric, i'm sorry you're not getting in as much. but alice -- how do i say this.
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just because they may give you part of what you want, and they say something horrible, isn't that in essence condoning the bad part of them as well by rewarding them with something as big as the highest office in the land? you can vote for who you want to vote for, but that is mental gymnastics, mental hoops to jump through to say because you get the supreme court justice, i voted for this person. i think that's why many americans are not facing up to the reality of what they did. yeah, you condoned it if you voted for him. >> there are a million reasons why people vote for president. and this topic is one that i have ve he meantly spoken up against in terms of the comments -- look, i worked for ted cruz. he was awful to ted cruz, and heidi cruz who is a friend of mine. at the end of the day, as a conservative, the choices
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between donald trump and hillary clinton, in my view, and many other social conservatives, there was not a shadow of a doubt -- >> all right, all right, all right. okay. >> as long as he's my guy and does what i want. that's a horrible message for us to send. >> okay, okay -- >> at least i worked for an alternative. >> alice, we don't mean to gang up on you. >> i did everything i could for a viable social conservative alternative. >> quickly. >> the same thing emerges. we allow these -- we do this without repercussions. >> i found this -- this is fascinating to me. i think alex wagner wrote an amazing article in the atlantic about president trump producing o'reilly's downfall. the backlash to the trump presidency, the outrage stoked among those very losers the rest of progressive base and subsequent push towards
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collective grass roots action was precisely the force that caused bill o'reilly's demise. what do you say about that, eric? >> i would say that bill o'reilly's problems have a lot more to do with roger ailes' problems, which had a lot more to do with gretchen carlson coming forward publicly, and suing for sexual harassment and revealing the allegations that she had about how she was treated at fox. and once that legal snowball started rolling down the hill, and you had lawyers involved, and you had more women coming forward, i think in any climate, even if hillary clinton had been president, it would have been very hard for them to withstand the numbers of women who were coming forward, telling their stories, and -- >> i want to -- >> and painting this picture.
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>> you write about bill o'reilly, his troubling history, making racist comments. you say it's always discouraging as a person of color to tolerate race-based prejudice while drawing a hard line elsewhere. i only have a couple seconds here, but explain to me if you can, quickly. >> sure. i mean, you know, bill o'reilly has a history of saying sort of incendiary and insensitive things about race, and on some level it feels a little odd to see that he got in so much trouble for some of the things that he's done with sexual harassment, but advertisers and the wider world seem to tolerate the things he said about race more. i hope we learn to be more sensitive about all these issues. and demand a little more from our cable news anchors on all these issues. >> eric, alice, lauren, tara, thank you all. i appreciate it. fascinating conversation. really great. the conspiracy theorists who
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alex jones now says despite what you said in court, his
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on-air persona is the real deal. the radical conspiracy theorist is in the middle of a choeld custody case and his own lawyer argued he's just a performance artist. >> we're the most real mccoy thing there is. and everybody knows it. and we're delivering the goods. but they sit there and play games. their headlines in bbc, reuters, a.p., info wars host, alex jones plays a character different in real life. what? ? i didn't say that. >> his lawyers did. jones has been pushing outrageous conspiracy theories for years. perhaps the worst his theory that the sandy hook elementary school massacre was a hoke. >> the whole thing is a giant hoax. the problem is, how do you deal with a total hoax? how do you even convince the
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public something's a total hoax? sandy hook is a synthetic completely fake with actors in my view manufactured. i couldn't believe it at first. i knew they had actors there, clearly, but i thought they killed some real kids. it just shows how bold they are that they clearly used actors. all i know is, the official story of sandy hook has more holes in it than swiss cheese. >> 20 children, 6 adults were murdered in that horrific massacre. earlier i spoke on the phone with larry posner, his son noah was just 6 years old when he was murdered. thank you for joining us. are you doing okay? how are you? >> i'm good, thank you. >> how's mom and all the the rest of the children? >> everyone is doing well.
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they're moving along quite well. >> so tonight we're talking on the phone, we're not doing it in person, because you don't like to reveal your location or appear on camera because of the threats you received, shooting was a hoax. i mean this must be unfathable to you and your family. and i'm so sorry. so can you please tell our audience about that if you can? >> i know for people it's hard to imagine that people think this way, that they have this type of world view. i'm quite accustomed to it after years of being exposed to it. and i think if you read comments people post on my social media pages, making accusations and something made the memory of my
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murderered son, it's something i have to deal with. >> so let's talk about alex jones. before this tragedy, you used to listen to him. i imagine you listened to him because you liked him. what did you like about him at the time? >> i wouldn't necessarily use the word like, but alex jones can be entertaining. so there's that aspect to it. not all of his listeners are, you know, kind of cult followers of the whole jones. on my set, people just enjoy his style, his out of the box thinking. my life changed a lot, and my views changed a lot after december 14th. but prior to that, i enjoyed think about conspiracies. >> and now?
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>> well, now there's a cost to it. it's not a game anymore. it's personal. it's another think to target children, you know, victims. >> you reached out to him after he began spouting these theories about sandy hook. what did he say to you? >> his people responded pretty quickly. and i think he wanted me to come on the show was what i recall. and they wanted me to verify that i was actually me. >> yeah. and did you go on? >> no, no. definitely not. i left it alone. i said what i needed to say. this was very, very early on. this was january of 2013.
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so this was just weeks out of the event. discussing actors and that was- entire pattern of categorization of mass casually events aren't as claimed to be -- you know, false flags and all of that. so as soon as i saw all of that, i cept an e-mail right away. it just sort of angered me. and after that just sort of -- >> you know at 1 point you thought you could fight against hoaxes and prove your son was one of the lives taken that day. could you get anyone see the truth or did it make it worse especially now -- >> we've got a lot of people to see the truth. we were very successful. a lot of our current volunteers were people who were not -- who
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were on the fence who weren't convinced it was a true event. so, yeah, we were very successful in the early stage. >> you say that jones is entertainment, a product. what do you have to say about a man who would make inentertainment about a tragedy like this without regard to the truth or the victim? >> you know, it's heinous. it's premeditated. it's -- >> what do you want to say? >> i'm sorry. i just lost my train of thought. but it was a -- he simply really doesn't care about anyone else. >> in this custody battle with his wife his attorney is now
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arguing the same, that jones plays a role. do you think he believes any of what he says? >> i think that he's likely paranoid, and so a lot of what he says starts off from that way of thinking. and he just expands on it and, you know, becomes that character. he takes to the extreme. >> you think he believes it? >> i think when he's in character he believes it, yeah. so i think he's stuck in character. >> a lot of people follow him on twitter. a lot of people listen to him. what concerns you most about the reach he has, this large platform, especially if he's spouting lies and conspiracy
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theories? >> well, i think one thing he's tapped into is his ability to gauge what the audience wants to hear. so he understands his audience, and then he feeds into their existing prejudices or hates. >> but he doesn't necessarily give them the truth, that's dangerous. leonard -- >> in the speckletive world it's conspiracy. there is no truth. it's all what if, what if. so they're just taking guesses. they're just asking questions. that's what they'll say. but they haven't been held accountable. they're just theories, right? >> lenny, thank you.
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