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promise. it has not reached its potential yet. it is still a work in progress. and the country in many ways needs to be radically reconstructed to include all of these different voices and people who make up the fabric of what this country actually is. it's amazing. so many decades later, these are still the same questions that we're asking. >> if we really want to honor martin luther king's brilliant legacy today, i think we have to try to enact what he was trying to do and make it a reality rather handle the just a dream. this. good evening. thanks for joining us. a fast moving night with efforts to bring wikileaks julian assange to this country and bring charges against him. in paris, isis is claiming
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responsibility for deadly terror attacks on police. what's the latest, jim? >> reporter: the latest is police are now looking for accomplices. they haven't told us his name they believe a french national who pulled up just behind me here and started shooting at the car at the police officers in the van. one was killed and two others slightly injured and a passerby was also injured. the assailant was shot dead on the scene. he was a 39-year-old known to police with a background in various criminal affairs to 2001. what's most damaging if it turns out to be true, some intelligence sources say he was on what is called a surveillance
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dossier which is supposed to mean that people like him are to be kept under tight surveillance. obviously he wasn't to put this off tonight. >> that's for known extremists? >> reporter: yes. there's about 15,000 people in france that are qualified to be on that list and the police are supposed to have under surveillance, various degrees of veins and various levels of surveillance they are under. some are kept under very tight surveillance. in this case, once again, i think we will hear some complaints by politics and what not, that police should have done a better job of keeping track of this gentleman and perhaps others who are still out there, especially given the fact that we're in the midst of an election campaign which is going to end tomorrow night and elections will be held here on sunday. they did foil an attack in
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marseille that was done to foil the attack. there may be a connection between what happened tonight and the campaign, one of the things i will be looking into. >> thanks very much, bittermann. isis claimed responsibility for this. efforts are well under way to prosecute the founder candidate trump says he loves so much, wikileaks. julian assange has been holed up in london for years now. what do we know about this? >> u.s. authorities have prepared charges to seek the arrest of wikileaks founder, julian assange from officials familiar with the matter. it went way back to 2010 when they became famous for the files by u.s. intelligence analyst now known as chelsea manning and prosecutors struggled whether it precluded the first amendment for the prosecution of assange and now they believe they found a way to move forward. the attorney general today was
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asked and here's what he said. >> reporter: you said crime reduction overhaul in the department. last week, you heard -- [ inaudible ] discussing the scourge of wikileaks and chelsea manning leaks. can you talk about whether it's a priority for your department to arrest assange once and for all and whether you can take him down? >> we are going to step up our effort and already are stepping up our efforts on all leaks. this is a matter that's gone beyond anything i'm aware of. we have professionals that have been in the security business of the united states for many years that are shocked by the number of leaks and some of them are quite serious, so, yes, it is a priority.
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we've already begun to step up our efforts and when ever a case can be made we will seek to put some people in jail. >> has something changed recently? wikileaks has been in the u.s. crosshair force years but as you said, prior administrations have thought they couldn't bring charges based on first amendment grounds. >> right. this was something looked at during president barack obama's administration and attorney general eric holder and officials at the justice department at that time determined it would be difficult to bring charges against assange because wikileaks wasn't alone and publishing documents stolen and investigations were continued and charges put on hold. the u.s. view of wikileaks and assange began to evolve and change after investigators found what they believe was proof
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wikileaks played an active role in helping edward snowden the former nsa analyst disclose a massive cache of classified documents and the cia director mike pompeo gave a strong hint of this. >> wikileaks walks like a hostile intelligence service and talks like a hostile intelligence service. it directed chelsea manning in her theft of specific secret information. it overwhelmingly focuses on the united states while seeking support from anti-democratic countries and organizations. >> some strong words there from the cia director. in the meantime, wikileaks continues to defend itself in publishing in the public's interest and compares itself to media organizations. >> that assange has been hold up in the ecuadorian embassy in london. even if there were arrest charges they can't pull him out of the ecuadorian embassy. >> what's the point of this if he is in the safe haven in the embassy. what we're being told by
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officials is this is more of a political message he is untouchable as long as he remains at the embassy. in the past few months u.s. officials have been focused on the possibility a new government in ecuador would take over and expel assange but the president who won has promised to continue to harbor him. >> president trump did not talk about the assange news but did talk about paris in the joint press conference and touched on another foreign crisis and appeared to clash with the secretary of state over iran and the affordable care act and funding for the government and more. he had something for everyone. >> thank you for being here. >> reporter: as president trump welcomed the italian prime minister to the white house, he expressed condolences and concern in the wake of the paris shooting. >> it's a very very terrible thing that's going on in the world today. it looks like another terrorist
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attack. what can you say? just never ends. >> reporter: about two hours later the french authorities opened a terrorism investigation. >> we have to be strong and we have to be vigilant. i've been saying it a long time. >> reporter: with the 100 day mark of his presidency fast approaching the president is eager to see some signs of action next week. asked whether he would like to see healthcare or government funding bill passed, the president answered like this. >> okay. i want to get both. are you shocked to hear that? >> reporter: tonight, a new quinnipiac poll offers a skeptical warning. only 36% of americans say republicans controlling congress should try again to repeal and replace obamacare, while 60% say they should move on. the president made clear he was intent on moving forward regardless. >> the plan gets better and better and it's gotten really really good a lot of people are liking it a lot and we have a chance of getting it soon. >> reporter: moving to foreign
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policy the had tough words for iran and the nuclear agreement. >> as far as iran is concerned i think they are doing a tremendous disservice to an agreement signed, it was a terrible agreement and shouldn't have been signed. >> reporter: his words far stronger than rex tillerson who said we'll stick with the deal for now. >> we're analyzing it very carefully and have something to say about it in the not too distant future. iran has not lived up to the spirit of the agreement and they have to do that. >> reporter: the first face-to-face meeting with the prime minister comes one month before the president will travel to italy on the first foreign trip of his presidency, attending the summit where the leaders of the economy will meet and he stoked speculation he will have another meeting during his visit to italy. >> i look very much to meeting the pope. >> how realistic is it to think a healthcare bill is going to be passed next week or even get through the house next week? >> it's only the house they're talking about.
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the senate is far far too complicated. the house has enough challenges of its own. the white house is really trying to show action, show progress here. they are working on a bill, they are working on changes here, some compromises. the challenge here is that congress generally can't do more than one thing at time. sometimes they can't do one thing at a time. they have two big issues next week, the government funding measure that would shut the government down on his 100th day in office. he says he does not want that at all and healthcare. it's an open question. there is optimism at the white house. the republicans i talked to on capitol hill said there is skepticism they can get it done. next week is only the deadline of 100 days and still time in this administration to try to pass that law. >> more on the effort to do what the president promised so often in the campaign, you think would
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be easy given the control of congress. the white house was so confident, there was no plan b well, plan b part two. later, sarah palin and kid rock visited the white house and posed like this in front of a portrait of hillary clinton? is it an uproar about nothing? "360" continues. not ink. printing doesn't have to be painful. now, during "hp savings month" at staples, get up to $180 off hp printers. [heroine] happy to be here. [ceo] so when you take the job, all these benefits are yours. the world's 2nd most decorated sushi chef... i'm trying to get the first. over here we have quiet spaces for deep thoughts. the latest smart technology. and of course, personal mobility solutions... functional and pragmatic.
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before the break you heard
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president trump say he wants to get an obama replacement bill passed soon. the first bill failed without getting to it the republican controlled house. asked if there is a plan b the white house would say this. >> there's no plan b. there's plan a and plan a. we will get this done. >> you're 100% confident? >> we will get it done, plain and simple. >> whatever the white house calls what we're looking at now, it looks like plan b. is it an effort to save face before the 100 day deadline. let's get some perspective. there wasn't supposed to be a plan b, clearly there is now a plan b. the president says he wants to do healthcare and keep the government open next week. is that possible? >> no. no, it's not. it's too much. the healthcare plan, at least the last one was desperately unpopular. 56-17 of the quinnipiac polled people. when you add to it, the funding
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for the government which may or may not include de-funding planned parenthood is a deal breaker for the democrats, i don't see why he does it this way. slow your roll and bring both parties together for a compromise. >> is this about trying to get some legislative accomplishment in the first 100 days? >> i don't know about the first 100 days. i'm sure he's determined to get this done asap. interesting you juxtapose healthcare and government shutdown we've been talking how he said he would cut off the government funding of insurance because he deliberately wanted to force people to the table and force a crisis. that would certainly force a crisis if people have to choose between the government and healthcare, et cetera. that would force them to do something. i think there is a lot of impetus to do something. >> how much do you think it is
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about the first 100 days. just passing the house on healthcare is not enough. it goes to the senate. >> it has everything to do with the first 100 days and everything to do with the fact every republican ran on repeal and replace. it was issue number one. they haven't been able to do it. i also think it's about a president who told people, when he came into office, who worked for him, give me some wins. that's what i want, i want some wins. he hasn't had them. i think he wants to be able to tout some victories. i think if he wants to do tax reform he needs to get some revenue from his healthcare reform package. i think a lot hinges on this and i think they know that over at the white house. >> david, it is hugely politically risky, i guess risky not to do anything given all their promises. the last time they set an artificial deadline on healthcare and tried to get it done it failed. >> i don't think the artificial deadline helps.
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the 100 day mark is not something the white house should consume itself with although they seem consumed by it. absent the win gloria is talking about, what it seems the white house wants to show, because they're the ones pushing this is the effort. if they can't get the win they want to show the base they're fighting and that was the promise and they want to make sure the base stays with them keeping him at a 40% mark. >> if you want a win, get it for something they want. >> they did. >> gorsuch was a big win for president trump, i don't support him. the healthcare bill, the reporting is that the new bill will allow states to eliminate the pre-existing condition rule. center for american progress think tank took a look at that. that means if your preexisting
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condition is serious like metastatic cancer your premiums will go up $142,000. if it is minor like an uncomplicated pregnancy your premiums will only go up $17,000. this is crazy. even if he passes it, it won't be a win, a catastrophe for the president and republicans. >> interesting, because the only specifics donald trump had during the campaign what the healthcare bill would have is that preexisting conditions were going to be covered. >> right. first of all, he wants the win. i don't think there's any question about that. what interests me the republicans had seven years to get their act together, they didn't get it together. now, they are doing it. the house freedom caucus is going out there to talk about
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these different things individually. it sounds to me like they are getting there and they will have something but they are going to have to avoid some of the things paul is talking about or they will have a problem. >> you know, anderson, this doesn't happen in a vacuum either. they have to next week avoid a government shutdown. congress can't walk and chew gum at the same time. are you going to have these two political fights resolved within a week or two? it doesn't seem realistic to me at all. >> when you look at the details, it seems there is a lowering of the bar, to try to get something passed, would be a step towards accomplishment rather than actual legislative accomplishment. >> there's no doubt they want something to get to the president's desk and he can eventually sign. this is not going to be that bill. even if they make the changes to get the 216 in the house, this isn't the bill to make the way to the senate.
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the ball was lowered when it completely failed and they had to pull the bill from the floor. to gloria's point you can see democrats are starting to step up the fight over government funding. chuck schumer said this won't be so easy if the president is demanding border wall funding in the funding bill. this is going to be a big battle about the shutdown showdown next week. getting healthcare on top of that seems tricky. >> remember that g.e. not doe prosecutors is our most important progress this president wants progress. >> right. >> he is going to put the pressure on these people and i think frankly he's put enough on them already there is incentive on their part to put pressure on themselves. >> he supposedly was putting a lot of pressure on them before the first time around and that didn't seem to have the results he wanted. >> take a step back, think who their voters are. donald trump's strongest age
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core was senior citizens, 65 and over. the proposal would end medicaid as we know it. a block program. no longer an entitlement, capped by the states. this would hurt older white trump voters. i'm not for hurting anybody. it's bizarre to me, as if they don't understand who their voters are. they seem to be a heat seeking missile going after the less educated less affluent older people who all voted for donald trump. i don't understand it. doesn't make political sense. >> thanks. up next, how sarah palin explained this photo at the white house. that is ted nugent and kid rock and first lady, hillary clinton. [ceo] welcome. [heroine] happy to be here. [ceo] so when you take the job, all these benefits are yours. the world's 2nd most decorated sushi chef... i'm trying to get the first. over here we have quiet spaces for deep thoughts. the latest smart technology. and of course, personal mobility solutions... functional and pragmatic.
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former vice president nominee, sarah palin visited the white house she brought along rockers ted nugent and kid rock and the pictures are generating controversy online what's appropriate at the white house, this one the most, the portrait of hillary clinton, the portrait hangs for the eight years she served as first lady. she explained it on jake tapper today. >> jesus was booked, so, yes, i
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invited my buddies, kid rock and ted nugent, some bold courageous all american dudes who i knew would have good conversation with the president and get to express a lot of good middle class work ethic type of issues and policy proposals that they could all relate to and that's exactly what happened at the dinner. >> there's an interesting picture of the three of you next to the portrait of the former first lady, hillary clinton. >> yeah. the picture says it all. >> a lot to discuss. joining us, three people who served in the white house and dave gergen who served in four administrations and jeffrey lord and paul begala. >> that's not new and we have no idea if the president knew about the portrait. >> i understand why people on
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the conservative side say, look, after all you guys have done the president on "saturday night live" and all these places, you can't take a joke and kidding. i must tell you there's another side. for hillary clinton and the democrats it was a very legitimate point of view, look, it's one thing to poke fun but the white house is a special place for all the people. those pictures are offensive, that's the way a lot of people will see it on the other side. i personally think they would have been better off if they wanted to play games with pictures, that's fine but i wouldn't have posted them. >> would ronald reagan have approved of that sort of thing? >> i remember he had frank sinatra in, who is a friend of his. i would be the first to say that kid rock and ted nugent are not the same as frank sinatra. i do think -- wouldn't you agree, david, i do think these things aside from whatever humor there is a cultural point to it. i think i'm correct jay-z and
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beyonce were in the "situation room" in the white house and smiling and having a picture taken, et cetera. every president will do some version of this. frankly, in this day and age they'd be crazy not to. cultural figures, we just put a cultural figure in the white house. >> the clintons came under a lot of criticism for the way they treat the white house. >> had steven spielberg over there and stayed in the lincoln bedroom and made a film later. this picture, would we put it back up? there we are, a white trash mt. rushmore, i love it. look at them. that's perfect. one thing i admire about governor palin honestly, she has spoken out when she has been the target of vicious sexism from the left and good for her. she's defended her children when they have been attacked and she herself has been. kind of unfortunate she's buddying up with nugent. he's a rocker and i won't get all gassed up about it, he has
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said the most vile things about hillary you can't say, obviously words you can't repeat on cnn. when those things have been said about sarah palin and they have it was outrageous then, i wish she would hold her friends to the same standard. >> i remember the night before the election they were all there watching that rally and they had bruce springsteen and jon bon jovi. you can bet if hillary clinton had been elected they would be in front of the white house. >> the question is in front of the portrait. >> little yanking of chain. >> david, go ahead. >> let me go back. i think the reagan example goes the other way. reagan maintained absolute decorum in the white house. he never would have had a photo like this taken and mike deaver would have destroyed the camera. jeffrey, as you'll remember, ronald reagan never walked in the oval office unless he had a coat on. >> didn't george w. bush also insist people had a tie on in the oval office?
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>> george bush senior. >> i think it was george w. bush. >> no blue jeans. >> i think most presidents, especially more traditional presidents like harry truman would have gone nuts. harry truman wouldn't have gone to the white house correspondents dinner for other reasons. that is because of the way -- it's dismissive of the presidency. most presidents put the presidency in the white house grounds on a very high almost sacred plane. >> i'm curious, sarah palin was saying they were there to discuss, i want to get her words right, policy proposals with the president. i'm curious what policy proposals you would like to hear from ted nugent and kid rock. >> thank you, anderson, for that question. can i come back in a couple years?
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let me just say, i do understand, i think i heard somewhere seriously kid rock is thinking at some point of running for office. the notion a cultural figure from rock music or tv could get elected to anything is i know strange. >> ted nugent obviously has spoken a lot about firearms and weapons. >> i think before any of us were born, my grandfather was big ted nugent fan. that's fine. he has to do something to keep himself in the public eye. i interviewed him once, he came on "crossfire." almost killed him. not on purpose. he was all gassed up about guns. i showed him pictures, i am a big deer hunter and showed him pictures and served him sausage we made from that. he started gagging on it. by the way, i just stepped back, i don't know the heimlich, what am i going to do? >> we don't want to get involved in only certain people can go to the white house. we don't want to get elitist.
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now, the russia and white house watch and our ongoing look into the investigations of russia's interference in the presidential elections. tonight, tactics vladamir putin used to try to sway the election. from reuters said a government think tank devised a plan to undermine faith in the electoral system and swing the campaign to donald trump and social media and ways to damage hillary clinton's reputation and spread messages about voter fraud. three former u.s. officials spoke with reuters reporters. one of the reporters, nate parker -- excuse me, ned parker, is with us tonight, along with david roe and steve hall, cnn national security analyst and cia agent who ran russia
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operations. david, this think tank, explain what it is. >> in-house funded by the government. former intelligence officials appointed by putin himself. the head of it, who was there when they had these documents, he had a 33 year career in russia's different foreign intelligence services. not an official arm of the intelligence service but very close. >> obviously very different than a washington think tank like heritage foundation or brookings we think of in the united states. >> it reports to a president vladamir putin. he picks the director of the institute. the institute identifies the president of russia as its founder. >> what did you learn through your reporting? >> what we learned essentially this document -- two documents came in after the election. what they did, their internal
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russian government documents in whereby describe a strategy to influence the u.s. electorate through regular media platforms like those associated with russia today, sputnik and social media. not only did the u.s. know about hacking of russia in the democratic campaign and clinton campaign they had a policy document talking how to do this. >> the significance of this, this is a clear line to the kremlin, the u.s. intelligence community had already said that they believe russia was involved, this is the clear line? >> yeah. they knew about the hacking but they didn't know the motive. they also weren't sure. could someone else have hacked inside the democratic party? >> right. >> having these documents in writing talking about a campaign to influence the u.s. electorate to pick a new president who would not have policies of barack obama considered hostile to russia written in a document
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from june 2016, that was, you know, writing on the wall. it iced the cake, crystallized everything. >> cnn hasn't been able to verify this story. the director of the think tank has denied the story, saying they're not qualified to do something like this. putin spokesman has said -- i want to get this right, he said he doesn't know anything about it and seven anonymous sources can't be valued as one real source. what do you respond? >> you would expect the government of russia to say that, given the enormity of these documents. we have spoken to seven officials, four former and three current. none are political operatives and all public servants and all
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independently verified the existence of these two documents june and october of 2016 talking how to influence the u.s. electorate through a social media campaign and that with information the u.s. officials said they had before they received these documents, of a spring meeting between the putin presidential administration and kremlin-linked media outlets to start supporting the candidacy of donald trump for the president in march 2016. all of this paints a picture that seems very hard to deny the reality of it, explain it away. >> steve, what do you make of the fact this report was compiled by an outside think tank and not a russian government agency? >> it's sort of a distinction without a difference, anderson. in russia, there's not a whole lot vladamir putin doesn't control. this particular think tank has had guys who were the head of the spr and external service and the leader at the time these documents were done was the head of analysis for the spr for a lengthy period of time. it does sort of point out what the intelligence community has
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been telling us all along the russians did have an influence propaganda campaign. an interesting part of this for me as former intelligence professional, there's a lesson learned from the russians, if you're going to do covert action you have to do it covertly. the trump administration finds its hands somewhat tied vis-a-vis russia and can't lean too far forward or there is a price to pay. if the russians had remained clandestine and we never found out the russians were behind this, success was there. trump got elected as president and clinton did not and trump would have a freer hand to do things he was talking about when he was candidate trump versus president trump. >> you're saying they made a mistake making it so public? >> again, if you're going to do a covert operation, need to keep it covert. somehow that didn't happen. there's been a lot of
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speculation by my former colleagues why that happened, whether it was a b team operation, maybe the key guys weren't put on it because nobody thought hillary clinton was going to lose. a lot of speculation out there but clearly this would have been much more effective had it remained secret and russia's hand not been held. why that didn't happen is an interesting question. >> the reporting from reuters, it essentially points out these documents is what led the obama administration to their conclusion russia did set out to support the trump campaign and
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attempt to undermine clinton. >> that's one of the main findings, a shift, initial finding was they were trying to undermine the credibility of the vote in general later on a finding in january they were actually helping trump. trump's denied that. his supporters say, no, no, russia wasn't trying to help trump and these documents make it clear they were. we know there was a very sophisticated effort to sway the vote in trump's favor. was there collusion? we have found no evidence of that collusion. this is the big question of the fbi investigations and it's clearly documented now they were trying to help trump. did any trump associate collude with russia? >> it does seem like another piece of the puzzle comes out. at this point it's hard to have a sense what the full picture will look like. to david's point whether or not there was collusion. that's the next piece and it's unknown at this point. >> that's the key part, the cooperation collusion piece. if you think about it if the russians ran a successful propaganda influence targeting the u.s. electorate and the u.s. electorate fell for it we don't have anyone to blame for it other than the u.s. electorate. if there was cooperation between the trump camp and russians that's an entirely different matter and much more serious one. >> appreciate it. thanks so much. great reporting. bill o'reilly gets kicked out of fox news but getting a
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harassment, like his boss, $55 million after sexual harassment of multiple women more than the five women were paid after their claims that was $35 million total but less than fellow harasser roger ailes, who resigned last summer for $40 million and o'reilly's ouster comes after women who came forward and attorney lisa bloom who is representing her. what happened? when did this first begin? >> i would say anybody within a couple weeks when i first started working there, i would see him often in the hall but see all of the personalities. it begin, you know -- when it first began i didn't notice because he made this grunt
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sound. >> he wasn't actually speaking words he was grunting. >> he grunted as he walked past my desk. other times he would size me up, look me up and down. he would be around my desk and i could tell he was trying to look it was that obvious. >> it was that obvious. >> just to be clear, this wasn't like a grunting hello, like a mumbled hello. >> no. and i -- i didn't want to say i felt as if it was directed at me. i knew it was just instinctively and you know, it was like a primal. it wasn't like a -- you know, i can't stand her. it was just this primal, like, you know, i don't -- it was sexual and i was -- i began being very offended by it.
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>> you were vulnerable in that way. it wasn't like you were a full time employee with protections. >> correct. >> i understand there was an incident in an elevator. >> yes. >> what happened? >> we get off the elevator. he goes to hold the door for me to get off and as i walk out, he goes, looking good there, girl. and i -- i almost froze, but you know, i was like, why is he talking to me like that? i have never had someone in a position of power talk to me like that. >> he's never, by the way, introduced himself to you -- does he even know your name? >> oh, no. he did not acknowledge me. he never looked at me unless he was leering. he -- with the elevator incident, that was like to me the straw that broke the camel's back because you know, you're talking to me in what i deem a
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sexual degrading manner. and i don't work with you, but i know you have the power to be like, get her out of here, or, you know, make up something and say, she duz did this and whate and get me fired. and then fast forward a little bit after that is the hot chocolate incident. >> and how did that come about? what happened? >> sitting at my desk he walks past my desk and i see him coming and at that time i decided -- i had already decided weeks prior, just ignore him. if you see him coming look away. stay as far as way from him as possible because you don't want him to, you know, get you terminated and that's when he walked past my desk and said, hey hot chocolate or hot chocolate, looking good.
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hot chocolate. i'm getting flustered. >> i think for people who have not been through something like that, what does that feel like on a day-to-day basis? not just on the day that it happens but just in that environment knowing it could happen at any moment? >> it makes you pensive, you know, you always expect -- you kind of expect it, because there were times when he didn't, you know. he ignored me. even when there was no one there. it was like he just pick and chose. it seemed like he was picking at me. picking at a scab and trying to get me -- i don't know, to warm up to him or to respond in some way. >> you know, the company in other allegations against bill o'reilly has said well, there's a hot line, there's an hr system in place, people can contact that. you said the tweets are actually -- that were sent out
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around 2010 were actually important because it establishes a time line. >> right. so first of all, she knows how honored i am that she reached out to me and trusted me with her story and to help her through this process and i encouraged her of course to speak out over the last week when the company was considering what to do about bill o'reilly and i believe that her story was pivotal in their decision to fire him. i told them i have another accuser. we are not giving up. we are preparing to have her story go public and i spoke to her through witnesses, the family member, her boyfriend at the time, her best friend and roommate at the time and they all corroborate the story that she was happy when she started her job at fox news. as the months went by she would complain about bill o'reilly sexually harassing her and by the end she was depressed and drawn inward and you know, a completely different person and it's had a really long-term effect on her. fox news said nobody's called
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the hot line. so we decided to use that against them and call the hot line with each of the accusers and i told them, you know, we have witnesses, we have tweets from the time. i think is a credible story and i told them we have more and i had a third accuser who called into the hot line yesterday just before the news was announced. women kept coming out and each woman stood on the shoulders of the woman before her and perqiita has inspired others. you were at the bottom of the ladder. if you have the courage to do this, you know what, maybe i have the courage to take a stand against sexual harassment too. >> what is your message out there to other women in any company who may be experiencing something like what you went through? >> don't be afraid. i'm a fearless person by nature, and for me to have been fearful at the time is very much against, you know, what i
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believe in. i believe in, you know, if something's wrong is being done to you, shout it from the mountain tops. >> thank you for talking to us. >> i appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up, we'll have a live report from france with the latest on the shooting that's left a police officer dead in one of the most famous areas of paris. [ceo] welcome.
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one of the most famous avenues in the world. we're joined with the latest. what have you learned about the attack? what do we now know? >> well, in fact, police are still trying to find out exactly all they can about the attacker. they believe they know his identity. they haven't given it to us, but they do say he's a 39-year-old assailant who was known to police. he had a criminal background. he shot at police once in 2001 and served some prison time for doing that. so he was someone that should have been on the radar, but apparently wasn't enough on the radar that they were able to stop him from doing what he did tonight. the fact is that the president of france is going to hold a defense council about fiv