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someone whose political career was pronounced dead months ago, she's keeping a lively schedule. wolf. >> certainly is. good report. thank you. that's it for me. thanks very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." erin burnett outfront starts rite now. next breaking news, the fbi has intelligence suggesting russian operatives tried to infiltrate the trump campaign. new satellite images of the north korea nuclear site. is another nuclear test imminent. a top obama white house staffer opening up about her old boss, president trump and ivanka's job. good evening to all. breaking news. our cnn exclusive. we're learning tonight that u.s. intelligence officials have gathered information that suggests russia tried to use carter page and other trump advisors to infiltrate the trump
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campaign. page is a former investment banker. he's described himself as a junior member in his words of trump's foreign policy team during the campaign. this development tonight a major one in the ongoing investigation into russia's meddling in the 2016 election. pamela brown has been following this story. she is out front from washington. what more are you learning this evening? >> we learned the fbi gathered intelligence last summer that suggested russian operatives tried to use trump advisors to infiltrate the trump campaign. this is according to multiple u.s. officials. carter page critical speech of u.s. policy against russia back in july of last year at a prominent moscow university is part of what raised concerns that he may have been compromised by russian intelligence. this new information add to the emerging picture of how the russians tried to influence the 2016 u.s. election not only through e-mail hacks and propaganda, sometimes referred to as fake news but trying to
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infiltrate the trump orbit. the intelligence gathered led to there broader fbi investigation. the officials we spoke to made clear, they don't know whether page was aware the russians may have been using him because of the way russian spy services operate. page could have unknowingly talked with russian agents. >> what is page saying in response to this report? >> we reached out to him today. he disputed the idea he's will ever collected intelligence for the russians. he said at times he intelligence. he said my assumption throughout the last 26 years i've been going there that any russian person might share information with the russian government as i have similarly done with the cia, fbi and other government agencies in the past. u.s. officials say the intelligence does suggest that russia tried to infiltrate the inner workings of the trump campaign by using back door channels to communicate with people in the trump orbit.
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he's one of several trump advisors whom they detected were in contact with russian officials and others known to russian intelligence during the campaign. it was the scope and frequency of those contacts that raise the interest of u.s. intelligence agencies and it's important to note that within the trump campaign, carter page was viewed as someone who had little or no influence. there is the scenario where the r russians may think they are able to use someone to get into the campaign and influence the campaign by in carter page's case the campaign said he had very little influence. >> right. that's what they say. there could be been others who were targeted in similar ways. where do things stand with the investigation? >> it's ongoing. intelligence analysts and fbi have been analyzing various strands of intelligence from human sources, financial records. they have found suggestions of coordination, collusion between trump campaign associates and
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russian officials. we're told there's not enough evidence to show and prove that crimes were committed. these officials speaking with say. part of the problem for investigators has been they lost their opportunity to conduct the investigation in secret after several leaks last year revealed fbi was looking at people close to the trump campaign and then after those reports people that the u.s. was monitoring changed their behavior which made it more difficult for the fbi to monitor them, erin. >> that could end up being extremely crucial in all of this. thank you very much with that breaking news. russian operatives tried to infiltrate the trump campaign targeting multiple people. how dbig of a deal is there? >> it's a pretty big deal. it's consistent with the
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russians. they would have been looking for people inside that they could recruit or come to an agreement with to provide them with inside information as to what was going on. if it was carter page they would have had a whole different or whole set of different responsibilities. they might have wanted him to carry out from identifying other people in the campaign what the russians preferred to as an accent agent, people more senior to him. it's very consistent with what the russians do all the time. >> we know carter page met with a russian spy. he said he didn't know the guy was a spy when he met with them. how does russian recruiting of americans happen? what would they have offered him? how would they have gotten him on board? >> there are a couple of things. they could offer him money, business opportunities. they could even appeal to his ego. kgb officer might approach him and say we need better relations with the united states. how would you like to be sort of
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a back door and then you get someone talking about the trump campaign. they were trying to place him as a source inside the trump administration. it's a scatter shot. you can't blame the kgb. that's what they do for a living. they go after americans and recruit them and put them in high level jobs to report. >> we were talking about carter page but we know this is not just one person. it's not just carter page. we know this is several people. we don't know, necessarily, who those other people may be in the trump campaign. how big could this infiltration have been? >> well, it would defy all expectations of the kgb to think they would have just relied on carter page. my sense is they spending five minutes with carter page they would have also known what a unique character he is and maybe have been unreliable.
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they're not going to stop with him though. it's both interesting that we know that it's carter page because he's the weak link. he's definitely not the last link. i think this investigation will continue to determine whether anyone else was approached and then the ultimate question was there any collusion. >> right. that is the big question because you heard there at the end of the report, pam saying intelligence officials have found and the word we use is suggestions of collusion between the trump campaign and russian officials. that's a pretty stunning thing to say. not just investigating it but suggestions of it. not enough though at this time to prove any crimes were committed. do you see this going in that direction? >> you know, i've long said about this, i think there's way too much smoke for there to be absolutely no fire. there's two different thresholds and i don't envy the fbi, its job. it has to prove that collusion happened in front of a judge.
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you look at things more analytically. i think it's silkily to say that somebody like carter page or page flynn say i've been traveling to russia all these years vands these pro-russian policies but i have no idea why the russians would want to talk to little old me. that's kind of silly. they must have known there was -- he said it himself. he said i know the things i say will get back to the russian government. the ground work is already there. what the fbi will have to work hard to do is prove that. >> bob, crimes? >> flynn worked for the russians. he took money from television station. it's an outlet of the kremlin. the fbi doesn't get a warrant unless it has pretty good proof. if carter page had just been a developmental and nothing happened they would approach him and say the kgb is after you and they would have warned him off.
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they say something in the intercepts or whatever they have that suggested that he crossed the line. that's the way it works. >> then they get that warrant which we know they had a on carter page. we also now understand when there was leaks that came out, there was an investigation at all, people close to the trump campaign that were being monitored by intelligence changed their behavior. do you think they were able to evade u.s. monitoring from then on? those leaks what could safe them from formal crime or inindictment? >> it could but the fbi would have been willing to pivot to see, to be able to follow the lead. also in any court order, let's say in any interview in which someone is under oath, an fbi agent can say you were using this phone number till december 20th. on december 20th the new york times or cnn came out with this story and on december 21st you dumped that phone number and using a new number. why is that? if that person lies, that's the
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beginning of your case. you may not get them on the crime but you'll get them on the lie. each individual person will work in their own self-interest. while i agree these are harder cases from the fbi side, there's nothing so far that is moving us in the direction of it's all acoincidence. every single one of these stories is moving us in a different direction away from benign. we're not at collusion yet but we're not head ing in the other direction. >> reporting tonight suggestions of collusion but not enough to prove anything criminal. the other question is how high does it go? bob mentioned general flynn and paul manafort. the question will be did this go to donald trump? >> well, that is indeed the question and although i'm not aware of any specific
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allegations with regard to trump, a lot of people have been when he was in russia for one of his beauty pageants or something like that, is it possible the russians collected promising information on him that could be used later or has been used. it's stuff that the fbi needs to get to the bottom of but all is completely consistent have seen this time and time again on the russian side with how the russian intelligent services do business. it all looks familiar. >> what do you think? >> the big question is what sort of communications, encrypted communications were there between russia and the trump tower? there was a new york times article talking about one alpha bank and where's that going. >> thousands of contact attempts. >> yes. >> all right. thank you all very much. i appreciate it. next, president trump made big promises for his first 100
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100-day mark ridiculous. why is he flip-flopping? jim acosta is out front. >> reporter: it's a critical milestone for my president but nearly 100 days in office president trump complains this is no time to judge his performance. no matter how much i accomplished during the ridiculous standard of the first 100 days, and it's been a lot, including supreme court, media will kill. in the lead up the president has repeatedly tried to make the case he's putting points on the scoreboard. >> we're now in the process of rebuilding america and there's no a new optimism sweeping
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across our country. >> reporter: the president has yet to follow through on many of the promises he said he could accomplish in his first 100 days in office such as health care reform. imposing limits on congress and tax reform. during the campaign he promised there would be so much winning the american people would drgro tired of it. >> we'll win so much you may get tired of winning. you'll say please, please, it's too much winning. >> reporter: the president laid out his 100-day agenda weeks before the november election. >> just think about what we can accomplish in the first 100 days of a trump administration. we're going to have the biggest tax cuts since ronald reagan. on the first day of my term of office, my administration will immediately pursue the following six measures to clean up the corruption and special interest collusion in washington. ethics reform will be a crucial part of our 100-day plan as
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well. we're going to drain the swamp of corruption in washington, d.c. >> reporter: so far much of what the president has done has come through executive orders not legislation. the white house is taking another stab at prerepealing an replacing obamacare, something the white house hopes can pass the house before mr. trump hits the 100-day milestone next week. >> the plan gets better and better. it's gotten really good. a lot of people are liking it a lot. >> reporter: standing in the way, the prospect of a government shutdown. congress has until next week to pass a bill to fund the government. one potential obstacle, the white house is still insisting on money for a wall on the mexican border. the president didn't sound worried that a shutdown could happen as he hits 100 days in office. >> i think we're in good shape. >> reporter: budget director said he does not think the
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government will shutdown because at the very least the white house has confidence congress will pass a short term spending bill to keep federal departments and agencies open. he was clear eyed about the difficulties in dealing with congress saying we're going to learn a lot about next four years over the next four days. erin. >> thank you very much, jim. o president trump was very consistent about this. here he is. >> on november 8th, americans will be voting for this 100-day plan to restore prosperity to our country. think about what we can accomplish in the first 100 days of a trump administration. just think about what we can accomplish in the first 100 days. there are those that say i've done more than anybody in 100 days. i don't think there is a
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presidential period of time in anyone's done nearly what we've been able to do. >> look, he's the one talking about it but he says the whole thing about 100 days is ridiculous. >> you don't get to do that. we know. we have a pretty good idea. there's the historical standard which is objectiv iiv iive appl all presidents. he's fallen short. his own rhetoric. i'm sorry, no do overs mr. trump. it's not a great track record. >> here he is in gettysburg which he chose to say this. >> fully funds the construction of a wall on our southern border. don't worry about it. remember, i said mexico is paying for the wall. fully repeal obamacare. i will direct my secretary of the treasure to label china a currency manipulator.
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establish tariffs to discourage companies from laying off their workers. >> mark, those promises that he just said have not been kept. obama care not repealed. china not a currency manipulat r manipulator. the wall not paid for, certainly not by mexico. does it matter? >> it does matter. we should say a couple of things. we're using in some ways a false yardstick to judge how he's doing in his presidency. it's a yardstick that we've used historically to see how presidents are doing and how they are coming out of the chute. it's not only the media but the candidates themselves. donald trump said he was going to get all these things done in the first 100 days. the fact of the matter is he's fallen far short. all of his success has been through executive orders. i want hasn't been through legislating, his great skills as a business negotiator.
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it's been the power given to him in the constitution that allows limb him to bypass congress to get certain things opini. real success is working with congress and getting major legislation. >> david, to date president trump has signed 27 executive orders. three of them were today. president obama signed 19 orders by this time in his first 100 days. is this something the president deserves credit for or not? >> well, it's conservative base would think so. he promised he would reverse some of president obama's policy and he's been doing that through executive order. he's been working on climate change which was very important to the obama administration. conservatives can be appreciative and they are of the gorsuch appointment. i think more moderate mainstreamers can be happy he's away from the extremes or the mainstream. if you look at that, there are some things he put on the board.
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i said some weeks ago it looked as if he were going to wind up with the worst 100-day record of any contemporary president. we're nine days away and every day i think that becomes clearer. he has no major legislation passed. all of his major initiatives, health care, tax reform, infrastructure, wall, you can go down the list. nothing is moving on any of those fronts and the government may shut down the end of this week. what's been stunning is that on one hand his white house agent said we got to get them to pass. he comes out and says something ridiculous. they haven't gotten themselves straightened out about their messaging. in terms of learning how to govern well, i don't think the 100 days will be well remembered. >> what's so stunning about what david just pointed out this is all with unified control of government. this is republicans controlling the house, senate and the white house and they're still playing
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footsie with a default and government shutdown. it makes that a much harder standard to judge his failure to get success up to this point. you can't spin your way out of it. >> thank you. hawaiians outraged. jeff sessions losing his cool when asked about his island in the pacific remark. president trump promising the biggest tax cut ever. really? [ceo] welcome. [heroine] happy to be here. [ceo] so when you take the job, all these benefits are yours. the world's 2nd most decorated sushi chef... i'm trying to get the first. over here we have quiet spaces for deep thoughts. the latest smart technology. and of course, personal mobility solutions... functional and pragmatic. pay stubs and bank statements to refinance your home. w2s,
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promising a huge announcement next week. >> we'll have an announcement wednesday on tax reform. the process begun long ago. >> trump also telling the a.p. that the tax cuts quote will be, quote, bigger i believe than any tax cut ever. jason carol is out front at the white house. we have a lot of perhaps hi hyperbole.
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is this plan or not? >> reporter: that's what a lot of people are waiting to see. shortly after that the white house stepping back on some of that. basically saying what the president was trying to say is he was meaning to have some sort of a tax reform out all along. maybe it will be wednesday. maybe it will come a few days after that. what is really looming above this administration is what you and your panel were talking about before, it's this 100-day mark. it's been very clear the white house has been trying to get out ahead of this. trying to say here are some of the things in terms of executive order that the president has been able to accomplish. he's been unable to get through some of those signature measures that he talked so much about out on the campaign, repealing and replacing obamacare. immigration reform. if he was to get at least an announcement out about tax reform, that would be a feather in this administration's cap.
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some say that's badly needed. >> thank you so much. i want to go straight to our senior economics analyst. former advisor to president trump. steve, you spent a lot of time with trump. you helped him on tax plan which he says he's been working on for a long time. when he comes out today and say it could be the biggest tax cut ever, do you buy it? >> well, it's music to my ears if it is because i think the economy does need a tax cut. the heart of the plan that we put together for donald trump back during the campaign, and i don't think they are def uaviat too much from this is to get the business tax rates down. we have the highest business tax rates. we're shooting ourselves in the foot with a 40% rate when the other countries are about 20%. what's going to be interesting to see is whether they go for the long ball. they also try to reform the 60,000 page individual income tax system which is a mess. you're taking a lot of special interest groups onto try to do
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that. >> jonathan, do you believe it, biggest tax cut of all time? >> donald trump always talks about size because he's inherently insecure whether it's his biggest electoral victory or crowds. that's the narcissism in him. we can look at donald trump's plan during the campaign and paul ryan's plan and we can derive this. this will be, again, the republican playbook to rob the people. it will mostly shovel a huge amount of wealth to the very wealthy who don't need a tax cut and are quite rich. stephen was respectfully wrong. the tax rate of most corporations and this a study by citizens of tax justice is about 21%. in fact, corporations pay higher rates in many -- half of those corporations that were studied, 258 pay higher tax rates in foreign countries. it's just not true that corporations are at a disadvantage. it's false. >> why are they leaving?
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you can look at the statistics. we have seen burger king, walgreens wants to leave. >> they're leaving -- >> i could list 20 major fortune 200 companies that have left the country. >> it's not because of the tax codes. it's because they have slave labor they can find in other countries and rob people because they can employ people. >> we're talking about headquarters. hold on. i hear your point, both of you on corporations. i want to talk about individuals. you made a point when you said this is going to be tax cut for the wealthy. >> i can talk about numbers if you want. >> let me play what donald trump said. i actually talked to him the day he released his first tax plan in 2015. there were many specifics at that time either. he did say he would take on the rich. here he is. >> i will probably end up paying more money but at the same time i think the economy will do better so i'll make it up that way. i will probably end up paying more money.
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i believe in the end i might do better. >> what do you say? >> it's false. it's never been true that under republican tax cuts plan. the economy has done better under democrats going back to nixon when you had pro-growth efforts where you had higher tax rates than what republicans had. this whole notion you're going to cut taxes is false based on the record. >> what about the point he could pay more? is there any reality to that or is that just a whole lot of hot air? >> two things. first of all, the two biggest rate reductions in taxes we had in the last 50 years were under jfk in the 60s and ronald reagan in the '80s. >> jfk was cut from 90% or something. >> we went from 90 to 70 and reagan took it from 70 to 28%. you guys know this. in the '80s when reagan cut the highest tax rate from 70 to 28%,
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the tax receipts to the government doubled because the economy did so well. i helped write the original tax plan that trump talked about during the campaign. it is not true that rich people are going to get a tax cut because the way we di vise that plan is every dollar reduction in terms of lower tax rates were offset by getting rid of the special tax provisions in the code. that's not much different than what bill bradley wanted to do, ted kennedy in the 1980s. they were all in favor of that. >> top 1%, $88,000 tax cut. that's for the top 1% meaning -- >> that's not true. >> let me. jonathan finish your point. >> stephen has to interrupt. are you done? 44% of the tax cuts will go to the top 1%. this is factual.
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i urge people to go to the website. they're the most respected organization analyzing. >> a quick final word, steve. >> you know, on this issue about the corporations not paying the high tax rate. >> he's not talking about the personal tax rate. >> we have the highest statutory rate in the world. >> that doesn't matter. >> the effective rate is 21%. >> sorry, steve. you get the final word. >> what i'm saying is some companies pay tax rates of close to 0 and other corporations are paying 40. that's a terrible tax system. we want to get rid of the loopholes and maybe everybody company pay a low, flat rate but everybody is paying their fair share. that will bring jobs back to the united states. >> we'll lever ave it there. thank you both very much. next, breaking news. new satellite images of a north korean nuclear site. there are big changes tonight. we'll go through the images just
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new satellite images from a n e nuclear test site in north korea. what is kim jong-un planning? this is a known nuclear testing site. we know they could be readying for their sixth nuclear test. the these images show something is going on. >> reporter: the problem for the united states is they don't know. it's the unpredictability and
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the uncertainty that causes so much concern. these images have continued to show there are key signs. some cabling has been put in under ground. that would monitor a test. water has been pumped out of tunnel. dirt has been dug out. all the signs that would lead you toward a test being imminent. all the preparations being completed for a test. there's other areas of the site that don't show activity that seem very stable. the big question tonight is is the test off? is the site somehow in a standby status or these some of the final signs that a test could be imminent? there's no real answer tonight. >> the big question will be what would president trump do about that. that's a major concern. you also, tonight, are learning new information about some of the weapons. the weapons that kim jong-un put on parade last week. what have you learned about that? >> the parade is over for several days. those weapons have to go somewhere. all indications is they are headed back to their bases. this is now the second thing the u.s. is watching very carefully as these missiles head back to their bases. will they be readied for launch? will will be additional test
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launches from the regime. the big question, if there are test launches of missile, if there's a sixth underground nuclear test, how will president trump react? he's been trying to press the chinese to stop all of this. how he reacts and deal with china may be the big question. >> all right. thank you. new tonight, attorney general jeff sessions angry having a heated exchange with reporters. he's under fire, as you may know, for his slam on a judge in hawaii, which means, a u.s. judge. a judge in hawaii. sessions called the judge sitting on an island in pacific. he said he's angry and has no regrets. >> reporter: tonight attorney general jeff sessions refusing to apologize for this comment he made about federal judge watson of hawaii. >> i really am amazed that a
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judge sitting on an island in the pacific can issue an order that stops the president of the united states from what appears to be his statutory and constitutional powers. >> reporter: judge watson halted the trump administration sengd t -- second try at the travel ban last month. sessions refused to back down. >> i share with you my concern that we have 700 federal judges in america. i made the point that one of them not -- attorney general to secretary defense, the cia director. one judge overruled the constitutional authority of the president of the united states to protect america through his executive order. >> reporter: sessions further explained his comments this way on cnn. >> i wasn't criticizing the judge or the island. i think it's a fabulous place.
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had a granddaughter born there. >> reporter: the backlash was swift and lawmakers in hawaii pounced. jeff sessions comments are ignorant and dangerous. telling cnn. >> we're appalled. we're disgusted. we're not happy. on the other hand we love our state. >> reporter: donald trump was the first from his team to lash out at the judiciary accusing the judge who oversaw the trump university fraud lawsuit of bias. >> i've been treated very unfairly. >> reporter: the same judge has just been randomly assigned an immigration case involving the trump administration. con seservative media sites hav joined in the attacks accusing judges who have ruled against the administration of playing politics. stephen miller said criticizing the judicial branch is perfectly appropriate. >> it's ludicrous to say that they can criticize the president
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and the president can criticize congress and judges can criticize the president but the president can't criticize judges. >> reporter: the democratic senator richard bloomenthal countered. >> this kind of talk is disrespectful to the independence of our judiciary. >> reporter: president trump slighted the federal judge in seattle who put a halt to his first travel ban. the president called him a so-called judge via twitter. politicians are pointing out when it comes to derick watson in hawaii, attorney general jeff sessions voted to confirm watson to the federal bench. erin. >> thank you. next, barack obama he's going to be coming out giving his first public appearance since leaving office. his former top aid is my guest. we'll take you inside that remote cabin where a schoolgirl and her 50-year-old teacher were caught after alluding police together for more than five weeks.
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former president obama about to step back out into the spotlight for the first time since leaving office. he'll hold his first public event. he's going to speak in chicago. all eyes will be on what he says about trump. earlier i had the chance to speak with obama's former deputy chief of staff. he's also the author of "who thought this was a good idea." >> there's the picture of you on the front of the book with president obama. you worked side by side with him for nearly a decade. >> yep. >> now he's vacationing. >> least living his best life. >> it's pretty amazing. he's parasailing. he's wearing jeans. going to starbucks. is he ever going to come back to politics? >> he has to. he needs to come and pay for the vacation, i assume. he'll be back. if there's anyone who deserved a vacation, it was those two. >> as we've said he's been quiet
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and off on vacation, he did speak out. most presidents don't speak about their successors. very early on he did and it was related to the travel ban. a statement from his spokesperson read the president disagrees with the notion of discriminating against individuals because of their faith or do you know why he felt so come welled to say that and does he regret that? this is not like barack obama coming out and talking about a bill that's on the floor, or even health care thatme meant s much to him. how could a country that he preside over for eight years and not say anything? i would have been more surprised if he didn't say anything. >> you have been covering the democratic party, and you've left your vice media, you are
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writing a book, but the party itself has been in turmoil, i am now getting into momentum with these profiles. she's not out there very much, bernie sanders is out there. bernie, he would say no, he even said that he was a democratic the other way, tom perez, you know, he is, i think barack obama is probably still the leader of the democratic party, i hope hillary comes back, but she more than deserves some time out to sort of regroup, tom perez, sort of cleaning out at the dmz, so sort of starting from scratch, so hopefully going into 2017 will be a place where the democratic party is over. >> now it's different in the west wing, in many regards, but one of the biggest is ivanka trump, first it was an informal role and now it's a normal role.
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i don't think it's any question who's the closest advisor to donald trump. she has an office in the west wing. what is she doing? >> i wish i knew. can you tell me what she's doing? i mean, here's what i know, working in public service isn't a hobby, and we were up every morning and in the office, and even the most senior people, we knew what we were expected to accomplish every day. and what advice would you give her? >> i would say, so really define her portfolio and tell people who she hopes to accomplish. if she could make some promises, if she asserted what she wanted to do, then i think people would give her more of a pass and give her time to do some of those things, but, you know, right now, it's just -- it's just a hobby. >> all right, well, thank you very much.
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custody, after running away with his 15-year-old sfuchbt, i'll show you the suspect, his name is tad cumins. he had been on the run for five weeks. days after disappearing, the two were seen another a walmart in oklahoma. this is the last anyone saw or heard from them until they showed up in this remote community. deep in the wilderness near california's border with oregon. the former teacher introduced the 15-year-old as his wife, adding that the two were supposedly looking for a new start. >> he came by and i was helping him out, he said they had a house fire in colorado. and out of money. >> did he ever tell you what the relationship was between himself -- >> the first time he said it was his wife, but she was in the car, always looking away. >> sara sidner is out front and she's in the very cabin where
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the couple were found. you have had exclusive access to the cabin. >> reporter: i want to give you a look quickly outside, to show you how remote. we're in the mountains, in a place called cecilville, it's a bit hard to get to. now i'm going to come inside so i can show you where tad cumins and his 15-year-old victim spent the night, that's about an hour and a half into the mountains, very remote area. this is about an 11 by 11 feet. this is bare bones, the owner gave us permission to -- this is a search warrant describing the things that they were able to take from here, including thing like coconut oil and ky jelly,
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and authorities are trying to prove that he intended to try and do sexual acts with this minor who was just 15 years old, you can also tell that they were spending time here, planning to spend maybe a little more time, there is a place to cook, they bought plenty of food, and they had intended to be in this case that is intended to be very, very remote, hard to find by any stretch of the imagination. >> so you spoke to the young man who tipped off authorities, how did police eventually get to where you are in that incredibly remote place? >> griffin berry, the caretaker of this cabin, the property owner is gone. told us that he noticed some spring things with these two that showed up out of nowhere. and see did his friends, they said that they didn't have a license plate and eventually he himself called police and he got todd couple minutes to come out so police could take a hold of him and arrest him.
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>> thank you so much, sarah, and thank you so much to all of you and thank you for joining us, have a great and safe weekend. good evening, thank you for joining us, tonight another story, you'll only see right here on cnn. cnn has learned that investigators now believe russia tried to use trump advisors to infiltrate the cam pain. pamela brown broke the story with details. >> we have learned that the fisher has gathered intelligence, that suggested russian operatives were trying to use trump advisors, including carter page to infiltrate the donald trump campaign and have influence within the campaign, this is according to multiple -- critical speech of u.s. policy against russia in july of 2016, at a promise