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of the person on your tv. tune in 4:00 p.m. and 9:00 p.m. tomorrow night for a special edition of "the lead." tomorrow night, nikki haley. that's it for "the lead." i turn you over to cnn tonight with don lemon. thanks so much for watching. this is cnn tonight. i'm don lemon. a scramble for high profile victories with the 100 day looming. president proposes a tax break for the healthiest americans. we will begin with this breaking news. a record but one this president doesn't like holding. a new poll showing donald trump has the lowest approval rating of any newly elected president in recent history. let's get to our experts now. abby phillips, david gurgin.
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jd, you first. good evening to all of you. our latest poll shows the president having a dismal approval rating, 44%. he is at the bottom compared to other presidents around this time. is this why we're seeing the white house scramble for a win with less than 100 hours to go to 100 days? >> it's not good news for the president. >> not only scrambling -- >> it's jd. >> i'm sorry. >> like you said, it's not good news for the president so far. i don't know if i describe them as scrambling for a win. the problem with the president's approval ratings is that it does not give him any sort of solid base from which to govern. you talk about a tax cut plan, talk about reforming health care. to do that, you have to negotiate from a position of streng strength. it's hard to do that when you have had 44% approval. >> the next question is for you, david. this poll shows 56% of americans think the president has done a
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poor job of assembling a team of top advisors. 52% think he hasn't done a good job keeping campaign promises. if the president isn't keeping his promises, what's that say? is that -- is he a deal maker in chief or the deal maker he promised out on the campaign trail? >> well, first of all, he has been slow on making appointments. department after department has a very thin team. it's been very hard for them to govern with that. it's also true, he has not been able to keep a lot of his promises. this mad scramble here in the last days i think has two purposes. one, they want to see if they can get a couple points on the board unexpected. secondly, i think they're trying to override the coverage of the 100 day mark. they would rather have us talking about the boldness of his tax cut and will it work than talking about look how thin the record is after 100 days compared to say an fdr who got 15 major bills passed, how many
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have we got? zero. i think they would like to change the subject. >> abby, this president likes to compare himself to the former president. looks like i'm going to put -- i'm going to read them for you. kennedy in 1961, 78%. eisenhower, 73%. obama 63%. carter, 63%. bush, 26%. nixon, 61. 58% for bush in 1989. clinton, 59%. trump, 44%. he is 11 points behind bill clinton. how is that for comparison? >> there is supposed to be a honeymoon here. it's not just because the newly elected president is someone who is fresh in voters' minds. it's critical it's a foundation to govern. it's the sort of -- the high water mark that he can sail down from. trump is really starting from a
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position of weakness right now. the white house is struggling with this, partly because it would be one thing if trump were going to put his head down and focus and move forward on his agenda. but this is a president who really likes to win. the coverage this week was something that they knew going into it was going to be very daunting, partly because it would sort of agitate his instinct to want to be on top and to counter balance negative coverage. there was a lot of anxiety going into this week, partly because trump -- he doesn't accept the concept of failure or concept of not living up to his promises. whether he feels like he has or not, that was something that he intended this week to go into insisting that he had been much more successful than his critics would like to say about him. >> david, there's something that the president did do a good job of doing, that's holding on to his base.
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85% approve. independents, 44 approve. that's not good news. at least he is keeping his base. >> that's true. i think one of the things that has been notable about the first 100 days is that he hasn't changed that much in the lives of his supporters. for them, a lot of what he is doing is what he was doing on the campaign trail. he is taking the fight to people they don't support. he is their champion. but there's not actually any policy consequences. i think that might change if he was able to get this american health care act, the current version of the obamacare repeal bill, if he was able to get that passed. there's things he proposed if he had done them, budget cuts that might have had an impact, at this point not much has changed. they see him represent them against their enemies. >> it seep seems like there'sd rush to get things in.
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trying to get a deal with healthcare, briefings on north kor korea. why is this happening now? it has come down to the last 100 hours. why all now? >> i think he has been cracking the whip and urging people forward because he knows that this week, especially toward the end of the week, saturday night could be a mess for him. it could be one of his worst weeks in coverage. if he can invent other stories, which he is doing -- you have to say, he is darn good at creating diversions or changing the conversation, put it more charitab charitably. he is very good at having us talk about other things. we would devote hour after hour to the first 100 days and why they have turned out disappointing for everyone but his base. but now we're talking about other things. it's mixed in. i think he may come to rue the
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way he has rushed into this and rushing the proposals in front of him. because these things -- take the health care plan. there's talk about voting on it on friday. this hasn't been scored by the congressional budget office. we don't know if 24 million or more people who may not have insurance. a few years from now if they pass the bill. we don't know scoring on the tax and we're talking about a tax plan we have never seen. we don't have a plan. we have some suggestions of things. a loose group of things. >> have >> it's like an outline that you would sort of hand in for college. this is what my term paper is going to be about. abby, i want to ask about you this. the white house unveiled this today. he wants to cut the tax rate to 15% for all businesses. the white house handed out the one page sheet that i showed you. one page, light on details.
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one senior gop aide said it's not close to tax reform. the question is -- everyone knows a tax code needs some reformation. is this a drive to get something accomplished within the first 100 day mark? >> it's important to note it's not tax reform. this is something that's important. i'm told that over the last week, there's been a debate about whether the strategy ought to be pursue reform or pursue just cutting rates. it's pretty clear when you look at this plan that where they ended up was a plan that the vast majority of it is cutting rates, cutting the effective tax rate for low and middle income people, but especially for high income people and corporations. that is reflective of a desire among the president to just keep things as simple as possible. he doesn't like things like the border adjustment tax which congressional republicans really wanted. he felt like it was complicated.
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there were too many steps in the process. the problem for him going forward here is that this is not a foundation from which a lot of republicans want to work from. in part because it's not paid for. it doesn't deal with the underlying problems with the tax code. it might create bigger problems for them going down the road. this isn't an opening gambit for a president who is sort of outside of the traditional washington system. but at some point he will have to get back into the system and work with his own party to get something that is actually doable, that addresses what they promised their voters going into the re-election in 2018. >> two important words you said were paid for. because any time taxes come up, the question typically follows is how is it going to help president trump? will we see his tax returns? >> will the president release
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his tax returns so that -- >> the president has no intention. the president released plenty of information. i think has given more financial disclosure than anybody else. the american population has plenty of information. >> david, can you give us a reality check on that? do you agree an assessment -- his assessment that the president has given more financial disclosure than anybody else? >> that's untrue. relative to other presidents, the past number of presidents have released tax returns. for this reason, they felt it was hard to make any sort of decision or proposal about how people's taxes ought to be changed without letting people see how it would affect them. we know from the little glimpses we have gotten, for instance this 2005 tax return, that some of the proposals would be a huge benefit for him. i think it matters that he is not willing to put that out there. trump has lucky in his
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opponents. he is handing his democratic opponents a real sword to come after him with if he is going to ask people to cut taxes for the rich and not show how he might benefit. >> she >> here is what president trump is saying. >> i look at some of the things i'm signing, maybe people won't like it but i'm doing right thing. no regular politician is going to -- i don't know if you folks -- i will tell you, literally some politicians have said, you are doing the right thing. i don't know if i would have had the courage to do some of these things. we're doing them because it's the right thing to do. >> is he right? our new poll shows 52% of americans see the president's approach as an unnecessary risk. 47% say it's a necessary shakeup. what do you think? >> he is arguing that he is being unconventional. it sounds like a fair number of voters actually agree with that. the thing about those risks is it really matters what consequence they have eventually
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have. i think we're at this stage right now where trump can argue persuasively he has been an unconventional president. that has to lead somewhere. if it leads to a tax reform proposal that hurts his own voters, if it leads to health care reform proposal that starts to hurt his voters or hurt the country, that's not going to mean anything he is unconventional. you can be right or wrong. i think it's way too early to tell. fundament fundamentally, the conversation has to turn to is he making the lives of americans better? is he enabling them to make their own lives better? right now, it's too early to say. the core domestic policy priorities, core proposals that he put out there, even though they are not very detailed, to the degree there are details, it's not looking especially good right now. i say that as a conservative who really wants this president to succeed in certain ways. i just don't see the evidence that we're being serious about the policies that are necessary to move the country forward.
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>> great conversation. thank you all. have a good evening. more on how the president's tax plan would help the wealthiest americans, including those named trump.
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the rwealthiest americans and fr businesses. both of those apply to him. a lot of questions still need to be answered. >> the core principals of this, we have agreement on and we will work forward on the details. >> you are going into very micro-details on some -- >> very important. >> we agree. >> i think as we said, we're working on lots of details. >> how much? >> a tax cut. >> those will be the details we will work with congress on. >> here to discuss now, nicholas christophe. you wrote about the after its. you wrote about the presidential approval rating, the low of the since eisenhower. how does that strike you? >> yeah. both remarkable how unpopular he is and the popularity he retains with his base. >> with republicans in general. >> yeah. i mean, i think that partly
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reflects why he is engaging in this tax cut announcement. if you are enormously unpopular, worried about a russia investigation, of not accomplishing thing, you may want to show that you are doing something. a tax cut may be the way do that. >> there are other presidents that had lower approval ratings, but not in the first 100 days. this is the honeymoon period. >> it's down from here. >> it shows to me what's important is that the -- his handling of the job approval raying, of course. his handling of immigration. and also his handling of healthcare. it did -- it's not helping him. it did not help him among these -- in this poll. >> i was reassured by the public reaction to his handling of immigration. it seems to me that was -- frankly a move to target and de
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resistance. >> let's talk about that now. here's the one-page tax plan. you wrote a column in "the new york times" and said the president's tax plan is an irresponsible shameless budget busting gift to zillionaires like himself and you see it as a betrayal of voters. explain that, nicolas. >> sure. it's intellectually dishonest. they have been talking about the importance of debt and deficits and here they come up with a plan that was completely going
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to blow up the deficit. i was doing calculations and it looked as if over the next 15 or 20 years it would add $160,000 in federal debt per american household. it's like giving every american household an extra mortgage. what does that buy? essentially it's to provide payouts to very wealthy people today. we'd be borrowing from china to give tax benefits to people like trump and this would be eliminating the estate tax which affects only about 5,000 households. only couples with more than $11 million in assets. it would be the alternative minimum tax and president trump's 2005 tax return, he would have paid 4% in taxes and this way you pay 25%. maybe most egregious of all is not just lowering the corporate tax rate, there's an argument for that. but allowing some business owners to pay at the corporate
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tax rate. not at the 39% personal income tax rate but instead to pay at the 15% tax rate. that is -- what do you call that but a heist? and that would apply to president trump. >> the average working man and woman sitting at home saying who voted for this president is sayi saying what gives here? >> it's camouflaged with the standard deduction. that makes a lot of sense. they talk a good game about child care tax benefits of some kind but they don't explain it. and based on the child care tax benefits outlined in the campaign, a low-income family will get an annal benefit of $10. and that sure seems to me to be borrowing from china to give a tax break to china in a way that betrays his base. >> i want to play secretary mnuchin. this brings up if you're going to try to overhaul the tax code or at least give tax cuts, his own taxes and steve mnuchin
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talked about whether the president will release his tax returns. watch this. >> the president has no intention. the president has released plenty of information and i think he's given more financial disclosure than anybody else. >> he would be a huge beneficiary for what we do know of this. correct? >> absolutely. he would obviously be a beneficiary of the estate tax and a beneficiary of the amt, alternative minimum tax, and his empire is structured with these entities that would benefit from applying the corporate tax rate to your personal income. and, you know, there's clear hypocrisy and conflict of interest here and this whole tax cut is geared towards benefiting the winners in american society at a time when he was elected by appealing to people who had lost over the last 30 years. >> wouldn't there normally be
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oversight into what's -- into this? why isn't there any now? >> well, i think there will be a lot of resistance from congress. i don't think this tax plan is going to pass because of the combination of the deficits that it will create and because the moment you start talking about details, then the losers are going to squawk. >> is this a victory for saturday come 100 days? >> if he hadn't put it out, we would have been talking about his first 100 days and how little he had done. this way we're talking about a tax plan that, as he announces, it's going to create jobs. i think it really was timed this way just to change the subject and to give him something to talk about. >> here's what the democrats are talking about. here's tom perez, the dnc chair. >> they called this skinny budget. i think of another word that begins with that. it's a shoddy budget. it's a budget that is morally bankrupt. >> what do you make of that.
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>> the last huge tax reform, the '86 reagan tax reform, so that involved binders that were presented to congress. there was thorough preparation. if there's one page that's meaningless, it's not a tax plan. in my column, i put quotes around every use of the word plan. it's not a plan. i don't know what to call it. >> an outline. >> they would fail. and i think the only reason to explain this timing is to try to influence and distract from the conversations for the first 100 days. >> good to be with you. >> thank you. when we come back, nearly
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the trump administration inviting senators to the white house for a briefing on the growing threat of north korea. i want to bring in mr. jim sciutto. jim, good evening. let's talk about this meeting, this north korea all hands-on-deck meeting at the white house. the senators were bussed to the white house. here's a video with the president. when they left, it wasn't entirely clear what they had learned. so what do you know? >> well, when they left, and frankly when they returned, there was a growing amount of skepticism as to why the white house took this unusual step, bussing all 100 senators down the hill, down pennsylvania avenue to the white house. there are classified briefing rooms on capitol hill where this conversation took place. there were questions as they
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went and democrat and republican alike said they did not learn a lot new in that room. for instance, there was no warning of imminent military actions. in general, it was an attempt by the white house to show their degree of seriousness with this issue which is fair. democrats and republicans agree north korea is a clear and present danger. the question is was this more of a show in force for the trump administration i spoke with chris murphy. he called it a 100-day photo op. so no major revelation there but an attempt to show that they are serious. >> north korea is very serious. an extremely serious situation. briefings are necessary. did the white house say why they did it that way?
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this is a quote from people who were there, that it was a dog and pony show. >> they said the function was a couple of things. one, to express their seriousness. two, to give senators a chance to ask questions and also to have the president -- he was show his interest in the issue and that feeds some of the skeptics that it was about the president showing that he's engaged on this. let's be clear, what it also shows is that this is a difficult issue to approach with success because they talked about options. they laid out the range of options which are not new, frankly, ranging from military action to sanctions, et cetera. but each one has issues. military action, the dangers of escalation, the dangers to northern part of soldiers there
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and the risk of north korean retaliation and the lack of success, frankly, of measures shor short of military actions, whether it be sanctions or both. it's difficult to find -- really, it's impossible to find easy solutions. >> jim, let's talk about this. you're in washington. some people who were at the meetings today called it a dog and pony show. i had several guests on earlier who said the release of the taxes, the tariffs on canada. is this all for optics coming up to the first 100 days? do you get the sense of that, that they would go through these lengths to change the optics and the subject to not talk about the first 100 days or make it seem better than it actually is? >> well, listen, i'll tell you what senators told me about this. chris murphy, granted, he's a democrat. he called this is a 100-day
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photo op. and bob cochran asked if this meeting was worthwhile. he said i'm not so sure. so the timing is indicative. it's the 100-days week and the president wants to show his interest in this. on the flip side, democrats and republicans agree north korea is a clear and present danger and that that level of risk has risen to really a crisis level here. you remember, don, that was one of the messages that president obama gave to president trump going out. >> right. >> saying, this is going to be your most immediate national security threat. the trouble is, we enter into the current political environment that we're in and this is not an issue that can be politicized because the solutions are so difficult and all sides agree on that. you can send a good tweet, you can make a good photo op but real solutions that make a difference, they are much harder to come by.
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>> absolutely. i want to switch topics and talk about russia. i understand you have updates. what can you tell us? >> the house intelligence committee, which is investigating russian interference in the election as well as alleged ties between members of the trump orbit and russians during the campaign and after the election during the transition period, it had been troubled. we had this blow-up with devin nunes, the chairman of the committee misbehaving by an obama official and it looked like the house investigation was on the rocks and now it's getting new energy and there's a new acting chairman representative conway with the ranking member as well. they now have a big list of two to three dozen witnesses that they are going to call very significant witnesses. the former national director and mike rogers and sally yates.
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they appeared to be demonstrating democrat and republican alike. they are taking it seriously. they are moving forward. here's the list. we're going to do public questioning of them as well as folks like you have on the screen there now, michael flynn, carter page who we know that the fbi is investigating for having contacts with the russians. roger stone and then questions about meetings that jared kushner had as well during the transition period. of course, sally eighties there as well as the acting attorney general. these are key witnesses in this investigation and now the house intelligence committee in effect flexing its muscles saying we're going to be a player here and do our job. >> jim sciutto, thank you. >> thank you. when we come back, fareed zakaria will be joining me to break all of this down. ray's always been different. last year, he said he was going to dig a hole to china. at&t is working with farmers to improve irrigation techniques.
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we have breaking news for you right now. president trump has agreed tonight not to terminate nafta at this time after peekispeakinh the president of mexico and the prime minister of canada. joining me is fareed zakaria,
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host of "gps." just getting this bulletin. the headline is that trump agrees not to terminate nafta at this time. he spoke with the mexican president. he spoke with the prime minister of canada. the statement said that the leaders agreed to work swiftly to enable the renegotiation of nafta to benefit all three countries. just earlier today, we had guidance that he was going to sign an agreement to get out of nafta on the 100-day mark of his presidency. what is going on? >> but that was then, this is now. this is donald trump. this is in some ways as head-spinning as so many of the reversals that trump has undertaken. he was going to name china a currency manipulator, on day one, he said. didn't do it. he talked about how he was going to get much tougher on trade with the europeans. he talked about how nato was
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obsolete and he was threatening to pull out of nate to. obamacare was going to be repealed. that hasn't happened. there's a whole series of these -- >> and the wall. >> there's no money for the wall. the nafta piece is actually stunning because this was a centerpiece of not just the campaign but his world view. his world view is that america has been losing, losing, losing and, most importantly, has been losing at trade and nafta, if you'll recall, almost every campaign stop he said nafta was the worst deal ever made. so what donald trump has now said not 100 days into his presidency, that after having concluded for ten years that this was worst deal that america has made, he's going to keep it. >> and this is happening after the cnn orc poll. the poll came up just over an hour ago. his handling is 40% below or the
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promises that he made on the campaign trail he hasn't been able to keep them yet. some of them i'm sure he'll be able to keep. on the campaign trail within the first 100 days, going to repeal and replace and he hasn't been able to do it. >> i think what is showing up is general incompetence. a sense that you said you were a smart businessman, you will fix things and wanted to do all of this and everybody else were morons and what i think you're seeing, which is pretty obvious to those of us who look at this carefully, is the government is hard. politics is hard. the reason some of these things don't get solved, they involve competing interests and it's not that they are all morons in washington and donald trump coming in has not actually made it easy. in fact, he's done worse at just the simple task of filling in
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his administration, for example, he's filled fewer high-level positions than any previous administration. being able to construct an executive order that will pass the courts. >> the travel ban and all that. >> yes. >> so then -- but his supporters continue to give him a lot of leeway because it's almost 98% of republicans -- >> 96% of the people who voted for him but his approval ratings among republicans has slipped. it was 86% a couple weeks ago. it's dropped to 80%. watch that number. once you see that number fall more, congressional republicans will feel more emboldeneded to move away from him. >> i'm wondering how long it's going to continue to say that this is fake news, it's not real when everything we have reported is there is teeth to it. it's the reality. nafta, repeal and replace obamacare. how much more of a honeymoon period is he going to have even
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with his own supporters? >> i think the key that i wonder about is the support donald trump has is unique and unprecedented and we should be careful about making any kind of predictions about it. >> right. >> but what i wonder about is what is coming through is that trump is governing a pretty traditional republican. the things he's trying to do and seems like he will be able to do are things like tax cuts, deregulation, corporate tax cuts, corporate deregulation, maybe the repeal of obamacare. as far as i can tell, that's what the freedom caucus wants and conservative movements want but not what his base wanted. this base was a much more nationalist protectionist populist base and steve bannon, who reflected that correctly, i think identified what they want is a trillion dollar infrastructure bill. we're not even talking about that. and certainly once you do this tax cut, which adds $4.5
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trillion to the deficit, i don't think there's a ghost of a chance of even a modest infrastructure bill passing. so what happens to that populist movement that's been waiting to be -- to find some of these campaign promises fulfilled and instead what they're fainding ae all of these economic right-wing movements, they are getting the payoff but they didn't elect them. >> can we talk about north korea? yesterday north korea staged the largest drill rising tensions in the u.s., raising tensions in the u.s. today you saw the meeting where everyone was bussed over to the white house. what is your reaction to what is going on here? are you learning anything about this meeting today? >> no. you're learning what trump has been doing with a number of these issues, which is huffing and puffing without changing the policy. there's all this big drama around the policy of strategic patience is over. we're not going to take it
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anymore. we're warning you, we're putting you on notice and it seems as though, after all that, after this massive review, after summoning 100 senators, putting them on buses, basically it's the same policy as the obama policy. bob corker was asked, so what was all this about? what is the new policy? and his response was, it was an okay meeting. what did you learn? what was new? he said, like i said, it was an okay meeting. >> is this all about optics? >> it is about optics. it's about seeming tough. they did on iran as well. they said we're putting iran on notice. the danger is, if you keep policy seems the same, you know, you're going to -- you lose credibility with the next time when you really need to issue a threat, it's not going to be meaningful. >> let's talk about foreign policy within the first 100 days. i said it's all coming down to the last 100 hours.
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they are trying to throw everything in there. where are we on foreign policy in the first 100 days. of this presidency? >> it's particularly surprising given that you had a very serious a-team for foreign policy and one has to assume it's the chaos in the white house. usually presidents first reach out and reassure our two closest countries, canada and mexico. >> this nafta thing helps. >> and in some ways it's mending that. then you look at europe where the united states has tried to be a pillar of helping europe stay unified, stay coherent. donald trump has done something i think unprecedented. he's intervened in the middle of a french election on the side of the right-wing nationalist populist who wants a pro-russian anti-european and fra frankly anti-u.s. policy. i don't think any president has done anything like that before. so there are many of these very
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awkward elements to the policy. in some places, you know, the bottom line is that there's been no major policy reversal. again, after having promised to reverse policy on all kinds of things, mostly it's the obama policy being pursued everywhere. >> fareed zakaria, thank you very much. again, this is our breaking news. the president has agreed not to terminate nafta, the north american free trade agreement, at this time. fareed zakaria helping us out with the breaking news. thanks, fareed. don't miss "gps" on sundays at 10:00 a.m. and 1:00 p.m. when we come back, i'll talk to the mexican-american ceo who own as company that wants to be involved in building trump's wall and why he's getting numerous death threats. re human. because safety is never being satisfied. and always working to be better.
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world. the wall gets built, 100%. >> i want to talk to michael evangelista, a ceo of a company vying to build the president's border wall. they put out this video rendering of their proposed plan. here it is. ♪ >> so michael, welcome to the program. your construction company has put in a bid to build this. it's a massive wall along the u.s.-mexico border. you're smiling and happy so tell us about your plan. >> well, there's two different concepts that the government wants, what they call two, two and the other is a two-three. one is a solid wall and the other is a double meshed wire wall with anti-tamper,
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anti-tunnel and meet the president's criteria of being a big beautiful wall. >> there's supposed to be a big beautiful door in it as well. >> right. >> the guidelines in the criteria that you mentioned, they put out some guidelines, does that contain everything that they want? >> it really does, but we had to -- you know, you have to understand the federal government, they rely on the federal contractors, us, for not just the construction but for also the design. that's why we entered this. we've got a lot of blowback which you've heard about, death threats and things like that, but we entered this thing with some sobriety. had to do a lot of soul searching before we got into the process and we wanted to be a productive part of the solution rather than sit on the sidelines. >> some people, you know, your grandparents came to this country as undocumented immigrants. what does your family think of the plans to build this wall? >> well, you know, when i explained -- i've got 57 first cousins so you can imagine it's a big family so when word got
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out, one of my aunts picked up the phone to me and she didn't take a breath, god love her, for 30 minutes, but when i explained to her that the reason we got into this conversation is because we were hearing some very disturbing rumors about lethal options. you have to understand the federal contracting community is a very small community so we disturbing to us like an - electrified fence and razor wire. we do a lot work for the bureau of prisons. those things have barbs on them. >> that's my first time hearing that. who said that? i've never even heard the administration even talk about that. >> oh, no. this is -- this is, again, it's the government that's relying on us, the federal contractors, to come up with the design, and so what was happening is when the project was first initiated, and everyone was talking about it, we started hearing these disturbing rumors and that's why we decided to put our hat in the ring rather than sit on the sidelines. >> let me ask you a more direct
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question here because i understand over 80% of your employees are latinos. >> that's right. >> i want to know what their reaction is? >> this is about business and safety for you. do you think that there needs -- >> it is. >> that a wall needs to be there between the border, on the border? >> well, let me say it this wayp i've been speaking about immigration reform and border security both for the last decade or so. you know, i have -- what i have found from the american people and talking across this nation about both of these very important issues is that the american people just simply do not have the appetite to pass any new laws when we're not enforcing the laws on books. in other words, i think this is actually ultimately going to help. once we secure our border, in other words, enforce the laws on books, the american people will have the very much-needed conversation about comprehensive immigration reform. we've got about 14 million, 1 million, 20 million undocumented
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immigrants with no avenue to citizenship. >> it's down a lot since president trump took office which may mean that it's more about legislation and where you stand on illegal immigration. >> right. that's exactly right. >> so do you think we need wall? >> i do, and i think there's not been a better time for us to do it. as you mentioned, immigration is down to 0% what it normally is. if there's a time in the last 35 years or so that we're going to put up a wall, now would be the time because the impact is going to be something that i think everyone can live with and conversely what we get out of that is once we secure our borders then finally we'll be able to have this much-needed >> how did your 80% of employees who are latinos react? what did they say is it. >> initially we all got together as a team. even though i'm ceo and owner, this isn't a decision i made just myself. normally i do. this one we all got together and met for four hours and decided we would rather be a productive part of the solution rather than let some of the other latino-owned company sit it out
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and let some people who don't care about immigrants maybe dictate some designs that we found really reprehensible. >> this is more than just about a profit for you because your company would make money an you've thought about that? >> absolutely. >> we're a for-profit conditions but, no, this is not about the money. >> michael, thank you. >> wonderful, thanks. when we come back, another stumbling block for the president. our new cnn/orc poll shows he's got the lowest numbers of any president in modern history. what's behind the low numbers? could save money on car insurance.nce you know, the kind of driver who always buckles up... comes to a complete stop... and looks both ways, no matter what. because esurance believes that's the kind of driver
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