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the politics of the person on your tv. be sure to tune in tomorrow with a special edition of "the lead." tomorrow, the united nations ambassador nikki haley, i turns over to don lemon. thank you for joining us. this is cnn tonight. i'm don lemon, a mad scramble for high profile victories with the first 100 day mark looming as the president proposes a tax break for the richest americans. and a new cnn or poll showing donald trump has the lowest approval rating of any newly elected president in recent history. let's get right to our experts now, cnn political analyst, abby philips, and contributor j.d. vance, author of "a memoir of a
family and culture in crisis," jd, let's get right to you, showing the president has a dismalratine -- rating, showinge is at 44%, is this why we're seeing a white house scramble? >> obviously not good news for the president. >> not only scrambling -- >> it's jd. >> i'm sorry. >> yeah. well -- like you said, don, it's definitely not good news for the president so far. i don't know if i describe them as scrambling for a win, but the problem with his approval ratings is it doesn't give him any solid way to govern. you have to negotiate from a position of strength and it's hard to do that when you're at a 44-45% approval rating. >> david, since you're ready to go, this is for you, this poll
shows that 66% of americans think the president has done a poor job of putting together a team of top advisers, 50% of the public doesn't think he is keeping his campaign promises. what does it say? is he a deal-maker in chief or the deal-maker he promised out on the campaign trail? >> well, first of all, don, he has been slow on making appointments and department after department has a very thin team. it's been very hard for him to govern with that. and it's also true he has not been able to keep a lot of his promises. this mad scramble in the last two days has two purposes, one, they want a couple of points on the board that were unexpected. and secondly i think they're trying to override the coverage of the 100-day mark. they would much rather have us talk about the boldness of his tax cut and how it really works than look how thin the record works, say compared to fdr who
got 15 major bills passed, how many do we have in this administration? zero, i think they would like to change the subject. >> this former president likes to compare himself to the former president, i'll read them in order, kennedy, 76 approval, eisenhower, 73, obama, 63, carter, 62, bush, 62, nixon, 61, 58 for bush in 1989. and trump now at 44%. he is 11 points behind bill clinton. so how is that for comparisons? yeah. >> yeah, i mean, there is supposed to be a honey moon here, it's not just because the newly elected president is someone who is fresh in voters" minds, giving him the benefit of the doubt. it's the foundation to govern, the sort of high water mark that he can sail down from.
and trump is really starting from a position of weakness right now. and the white house is struggling with this partly because it would be one thing if trump were going to put his head down and just focus and move forward on his agenda. but this is a president who really likes to win. and the coverage this week was something that they knew going into it was going to be very daunting. partly because it would saturday of a-- sort of agitate. there was anxiety going into this week partly because trump doesn't accept the concept of failure or the concept of not living up to his promises and whether he feels like he has or not that was something that he intended this week to go into. insisting that he has been much more successful than his critics would like to say about him. >> david, there is something that the president did do a good job of doing and that is holding on to his base of republicans.
85% approve of the job ehhe is doing. so he have at least he is keepi base. >> that is true. and i think that one of the things that has been notable about the first 100 days he has not actually changed that much in the lives of his supporters. for them, he is taking the fight to people they don't like, or they don't support. he is sort of their champion in these rhetorical battles. but there are not actually policy changes, i think it would change if he was able to pass the current health care bill. and there are some things if he were able to do them, the big budget cuts that might have had a big impact on voters' lives. at this point, there is no big change. he is still seeing him represent them and their enemies. >> and david gergen, there is
talk of withdrawing from nafta, briefings on north korea, trying to get a deal with health care, all while trying to avoid a government shutdown. why is this all happening now? >> well, i think he has been cracking the whip inside and urging people forward because he knows that this week, especially toward the end of the week saturday night could be a mess for him. it could be one of his worst weeks in coverage. and if he can invent other stories which he is doing you have to say he is pretty darn good at changing the conversation, to put it more charitable and perhaps more fairly. he is very good about having us talk about other things. we would be devoting hour after hour to the first hundred days and why they have turned out disappointing fashions for everyone but his base. but now we're talking about other things. and you know, i think he may
come to rue the way he has rushed spoke this and rushing these proposals in front of him. because these things -- you know, take the health care plan, there is talk on voting it friday. this has not been scored by the congressional budget office. we don't know if there are $24 million or a few more people who may have insurance if they pass this bill. we don't know about the scoring on the tax and here we're talking about a tax plan we've never seen. we don't have a plan. we have some suggestions of a loose group of things. >> i have like one page of what he plans to do. so it's like an outline that you would sort of hand in for college, this is what my term paper is going to be about. abby, i want to ask you about it because the white house unveiled the plan today. slash the tax rates, he also wants to cut the tax rate to 15% for all businesses. the white house handed out the one-page sheet that i showed
you. one page, light on details, and one senior gop aide says it's not even close to a tax reform. the question is, everyone knows the tax code needs to be reformed. but is all of this sort of a drive to get something accomplished within this first 100-day mark? >> well, it's important to note it's tax reform. i'm told last week there was a debate about whether the strategy ought to be to pursue reform or just pursue cutting rates. it's pretty clear when you look at this plan, that the vast majority of it is just cutting rates and cutting the effective tax rate for low and middle income people. but especially for high income people and corporations. and that is reflective of a desire among the president to just keep things as simple as possible. he does not like things like the border adjustment tax, which
congressional republicans really wanted. he felt like it was very complicated. there were too many steps in the process. the problem for him going forward here is this is not a foundation from which a lot of republicans want to work from in part because it's not paid for. it doesn't deal with the underlying problems in the tax code and it may create bigger problems for them going down the road. so this is an opening gambut for a president who is sort of like outside the traditional washington system. but at some point he is going to have to get back in the system and work with his own party to get something that is actually doable, that addresses what they promise their voters going into -- their re-election base in 2015. >> i think two important words you said, abby, paid for. because any time taxes come up the question typically follows is how is it going to help president trump? and will we ever see his tax returns? secretary steve mnuchin
responded to that. >> will the president release his tax returns? >> the president has no intention, the president has released more information and given more financial disclosure than anybody else. i think the american population has plenty of information. >> david, can you give us a reality check on that? do you agree that his assessment of the president has given more financial disclosure than anybody else? >> that is untrue, not relative to a must be number of presidene '70s have released their tax reforms, for a simple reason, they didn't feel it would be appropriate to not release their tax reforms, and show how it affected people. we know that donald trump, some of the proposals would be a huge benefit for him. so i think it matters that he is not willing to put that out
there. trump has been very lucky in his opponents so far. but really has been handing his democratic opponents, a real sword to come after them now if he is going to ask people to cut taxes for the rich and not show how he will benefit. >> did he hear what was said today? >> sometimes i look at things i'm signing, i think maybe people wouldn't like it, but i'm doing the right thing. i don't know what you folks would do. i will tell you literally some politicians have said you're doing the right thing, i don't know if i would have had the courage to do some of these things but we're doing them because it's the right thing to do. >> jd, is he right? because our new poll shows that 50% think the president's approach is an unnecessary risk. 47% say it's a necessary shake-up. what do you think? >> well, he is fundamentally arguing he is being unconventional, and actually a fair number of voters agree with
him. the think about the risks, does it matter the consequence? i think we're at a stage where trump can argue where he has been an unconventional president. but that has to lead somewhere. if it leads to a tax proposal that fundamentally hurts his own voters or health care reform that hurts his own voters or hurts the country at large then that is not going to mean anything if he is unconventional. you can be right or wrong, but fundamentally the question has to turn to is donald trump making the lives of a majority of merchant americans better? or is he helping them make their lives better? right now it's too early to say, but the core proposals that he put out there even though they obviously are not detailed to the agree there are details it's not looking especially good right now. i say it as a conservative who really wants this president to succeed in certain ways but i
just don't see the evidence we're being serious about the policies that are necessary to push the country forward. >> great panel, thank you, folks, coming up we'll talk about the tax reform that could benefit the wealthiest americans, and one whose name is trump. this is your new name. this is your new house. and a perfectly inconspicuous suv. you must become invisible. [hero] i'll take my chances.
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the trump administration showing a tax plan today that slashes rates for the richest americans and for businesses and as it turns out both of those apply to him. when it comes to the fine points for the rest of us a lot of questions still need to be answered. >> the core principles of this, we have agreement on and we will work forward on the details. >> you're going into very micro details on some of these -- very important, we agree. again, as i said we're working on lots of details. could be a tax cut. >> how much? >> going to mean a tax cut. those will be the details we will be working with congress on. >> here to discuss, the columnist for "the new york times." you wrote a column on this, it is just in on the presidential approval rating, the lowest since eisenhower, how does it strike you if you look at the presidents we have up there on screen? >> it's both remarkable how
unpopular he is with the public as a whole and the popularity he retains with his base. >> and with republicans in general. >> yeah, and i mean, indeed i think that partly reflects why he is engaging in this tax cut announcement, if you're enormous l -- enormously unpopular and worried about a russian invasion, you may want to change the subject. >> there are other presidents who had lower approval ratings, but not this early on, this is typically the honeymoon phase. it shows to me what is important his handling -- well, the job approval rating of course. but his immigration ruling, and health care, it did not help him in this poll. >> i mean, i was reassured by
the public reaction to his handling of immigration. because it seemed to me that was frankly a demagogic move to target and scapegoat a particular group. i was glad there seemed to be a backlash. >> and immigration, only 41% approval, and health care, only 36 approval, so that probably hurt him and he didn't realize it would hurt him that much. start something and then not get it done. >> i think a lot of things, the moment there are details, there is resistance, and that is why we have a tax code that is one page. >> you wrote a column today in "the new york times," you said the president's tax plan is an irresponsible shameless bunch-busting gift to billionaires like himself and you see it as a betrayal to his voters. explain that, niklas.
>> sure, the president has been talking about the importance of debt and deficits. and here they come up with a plan that would completely blow up the deficit. i was doing some calculations today. it looked as if over the next 15 or 20 years it would add $160,000 in federal debt per american household, it's like giving every american household an extra mortgage. what does it buy? essentially it's to provide payouts to very wealthy people in america today. we would be borrowing from china to give large tax benefits to people like trump and this would be eliminating the estate tax, which would affect 5% of americans, it would be the
alternative minuminimum tax. and maybe the worst is not just lowering the corporate tax rate, maybe there is an argument for that. but allowing some business owners to pay at the corporate tax rate. not to pay at the 39% personal tax rate but instead to pay the 15% tax rate. what do you call that but a heist? and that would apply to president trump. >> and who is the average working man and woman who voted for president trump saying what gives here? >> i mean, it's camouflaged with the standard deduction that would be doubled. and that makes a lot of sense. they talk a good game about child care tax benefits of some kind but they don't explain it. and based on the child care tax benefits they outlined in the campaign, a low income family would get an annual benefit of ten dollars. >> yeah. >> it's -- i mean, that sure seems to me to be borrowing from china to give a tax break to china in a way that betrays his
base. >> i want to play secretary mnuchin, because this brings up if you're going to try to overhaul the tax code or get some cuts, and steve mnuchin will talk about this. >> the president has released plenty of information and i think has given more financial disclosure than anybody else. >> but he would be a huge beneficiary for what we do know of this, correct? >> absolutely. i mean, he would obviously be a beneficiary of the estate tax. he would be a beneficiary of the amt, the alternative minimum tax, and his alternative would be applying to the corporate. there is clear hypocrisy and conflict of interest there. but this is geared to benefitting the winners in
american society at a time when he was elected by appealing to people who had lost over the last 30 years. >> wouldn't there normally be some oversight into this? why isn't there any now? >> well, i mean, i think there will be, there will be a lot of resistance from congress. i don't think this tax plan will pass because of the combination of the deficits that it will create. and the moment you start to talk about details then the losers are going to squawk. >> so then why put it out there? is this the victory for the losers of first 100 days. >> if he had not put it out, we would be talking about the first 100 days and how little he had done. this way we are talking about the tax plan as he announces it would create jobs. i think it's time just to change the subject and to give him something to talk about. >> here is tom perez, the dnc chair. >> they call it a skinny budget. i think of another word that
begins with s that i won't use. it's a shoddy budget, a budget that is morally bankrupt. >> what do you make of that? >> well, if you compare this to i mean -- when the last big -- that last huge tax reform, '86 reagan tax reform, so that involved binders that were presented to congress. there was thorough preparation. and you know, it's this one page that is meaningless. it's not a tax plan. in my column today i put quotes around the use of the word plan, because it's not a plan. i don't know what they call it. >> as i said it's an outline. >> i mean, if somebody turned it in as their -- for a term paper about how they think taxes should be structured in the u.s. they would fail. and i think the only reason to explain this timing is to try to influence and distract from the
discussions about what is happening the first 100 days. >> nicholas, thank you for joining us. >> hey, good to be here. and when we come back, the growing north korea threat. we'll have the latest on what went on behind closed doors. plus, new information on the meddling by russia during the election. and big names, we'll tell you who. (alarm beeping)
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the trump administration inviting senators to the white house this afternoon for a briefing on the growing threat of north korea, house members were briefed on capitol hill. i want to bring in cnn's chief national security correspondent. mr. jim sciutto, good evening. let's talk about this meeting, all hands on deck meeting at the white house. there was a video with the president. and when they left, jim, it was not entirely clear on what they had learned. so what do you know? >> well, when they left and frankly when they returned there was an enormous amount of skepticism from democrats and republicans, why the white house took this step bussing all the senators down to the white house. there are classified briefing
rooms on capitol hill where this kind of conversation could have taken place. so there were questions when they went, and when we returned we spoke to a number of them, myself and my colleagues and senators, and democrats and republicans alike said they did not learn anything new in that meeting. for instance, there was not a new imminent action by the white house, it was an attempt to show their degree of seriousness on this issue, and that is fair, because republicans and democrats alike agree this is a clear and present danger. but the question is was this a show for the trump administration? i spoke with senator murphy, who called it a 100-day photo op for the president. so no major revelation, but an attempt by the white house to show they're taking this situation seriously. >> and listen, we know that this north korea situation, it's a
very serious situation. briefings are necessary, but did the white house explain why they did it that way? because as you said it was a show, this is a quote for people who were there, a dog and pony show. >> they said it was a quest to express their seriousness on this issue, two, to give senators a chance to ask questions and also to have the president, he was there for several minutes during the briefing as well to show his interest in the issue. but that to some degree feeds the sceptics' point of view to show that the president is tough and engaged on this. but let's be clear, it also shows this is a difficult issue to approach with success. because they talked about options today there and kind of laid out the range of options which are not new frankly. i mean, ranging from military action to increased sanctions, et cetera. but each one of them has issues. i mean, military action, the
dangers of escalation, the dangers to the northern part of south korea that is very close to the border, seoul, lot of risks to them of north korean retaliation. and the lack of success, frankly of measures short of military action, whether it be sanctions or other things. you know, a lot of administrations in both parties have gone through this and it's difficult to find, really, impossible to find easy solutions. >> so jim, let's talk about this. you're in washington, some people who were at these meetings today called it a dog and pony show. i had several guests on earlier who said the whole thing about the taxes, this one-page release of the taxes, the tariffs on canada. is this all for optics coming up to the first 100 days? do you get the sense of that, that they are going to these optics or to make it seem better than it actually is?
>> well, listen, i'll tell you what senators told me about this, chris murphy, he called this a 100-days photo op for the president. but even senator bob corker, a republican, who had a fairly close relationship with the president, asked if this meeting was worthwhile. he said, i'm not so sure. and this timing, the president wants to show his interest in this. on the flip side, republicans and democrats agree that north korea is a clear and present danger. and it has risen to crisis level. you remember that was one of the messages that president obama gave to president trump going out, saying this is going to be your most immediate national security threat. the trouble is we enter into this in the current political environment that we're in, that this is not an issue that can be politicaliz politicalized, because the solutions are so death and aiff
all sides agree on that. you can send a good tweet and a real photo op, but they're difficult solutions. >> i understand you have updates on the investigation. what can you tell us? >> so the house intelligence committee which is investigating russian interference in the election as well as alleged ties between members of the trump orbit and elections during the campaign and the transition period. it had been troubled. you had this issue with the officials, now he recused himself from the investigation, it looks like now there is new energy. there is a new acting chairman, representative connelly working with the ranking democratic member. they have witnesses they will call, very significant
witnesses, james clapper, head of the nsa, sally yates, they appear to be demonstrates, democrats and republicans alike are taking it seriously. they're moving forward, here is the list. we're going to do public questioning of them as well as folks like you have on the screen there now. michael flynn, carter page who we know the fbi is investigating for having contacts with the russians. roger stone, and then questions about meetings that jared kushner had during the transition period, and of course sally yates, who was the acting attorney general. and now the house intelligence committee in effect flexing their muscles saying we're going to be a player here and we're going to do our job. >> jim sciutto, thank you, sir. >> thank you. and when we come back, fareed zakaria will join us on the policies towards moscow.
we have breaking news for you right now. president trump has agreed tonight not to terminate nafta at this time after speaking with the president of mexico and the prime minister of canada. fareed zakaria is here, the host of fareed zakaria gps. so let's just get the highlight here, the headline, trump agrees to not terminate nafta at this time. he spoke with the president of mexico and prime minister of canada, the leaders have agreed to move swiftly with their required procedures to renegotiate nafta, deals that benefit all three countries. but just earlier today we had
guidance that he was going to sign some sort of agreement to get out of nafta on the 100-day mark of his presidency, so what is going on here? >> that was then, this is now, this is donald trump. this is in some ways as head-spinning as so many of the reversals that trump has undertaken. he was going to name china currency manipulator, on day one, he said. didn't do it. he talked about how you know, he was going to get much tougher on trade with the europeans, didn't do it. he talked about how nato was obsolete, and essentially threatened to pull out of nato. didn't do it. obamacare, was going to be repealed. that has not happened. there is no money for the wall. the nafta piece, it's actually stunning because this was a center piece of not just the campaign but his world view.
donald trump's world view is that america has been losing, losing, losing, and most importantly has been losing at trade. and nafta, if you recall at almost every campaign stop he said nafta was the worst deal ever made. so what donald trump has now said after 100 days in his presidency that after concluding for ten years that this was the worst deal that america ever made, he is going to keep it. >> i mean, this is happening after the cnn, orc poll, i'm not sure if you saw the poll that came out just observe an hour ago. his handling, the presidency, the approval rate is 44, the lowest since eisenhower, since they started polling. all of this flip-flopping, playing into at least the promises he made on the campaign trail, he has not been able to keep them yet, some of them i'm sure he will be able to keep. he has not been able to repeal obamacare, that is showing up in his approval ratings and his
handling of his country. >> i would think so a general incompetent reputation, a smart business who said he can do all this, and everybody else was morons, and to most of us who look at this obviously, and carefully, government and politics is hard. the reason why some of these things don't get solved, they're very hard and involve competing interests, and adjudicating the competing interests. it's not that there are morons in washington, it's that donald trump has done worse, justice the simple task of filling his administration. he filled fewer high level positions than any previous administration. about being able to put together an executive order that passes muster with courts. >> but his supporters continue to give him a lot of leeway, the support is in the 90s.
>> 96 people who voted for him. it was about 86% a couple of weeks ago, dropping to about 80%. so watch that number, because once you see that number fall more, congressional republicans will feel bolder to move away from him. >> i wonder how much longer his supporters will continue to say no, this is fake news, this is not real. when there is everything that we have reported there is teeth to it. it's the reality. nafta, repeal and replace obamacare. how much more of a honeymoon period, this is supposed to be right now, will he have support on? >> the key i think -- the support donald trump has is unique and unprecedented. so we should be careful in making any kind of predictions about it. but what i wonder, what is coming through is that trump is governing as a pretty traditional republican. the things he seems like he will be able to do are things like
tax cuts, deregulation. corporate tax cuts, corporate deregulation, maybe the repeal of obamacare, as far as i can tell that is what the freedom caucus wants, what the washington think tanks and the conservative movement wants. but it was not his base, his base was a more nationalist protectionist populous base. and steve bannonreflected that. once you do this tax cut which adds $4.5 trillion to the deficit, i don't think there is even a ghost of a chance of even a modest infrastructure bill passed. happened to that movement who is trying to find some of the campaign promises fulfilled. instead what they're finding is the american heritage foundation and all the right wing
movements, they're getting the payout but they did not elect trump. >> can we talk about north korea? the raising tensions in the u.s., today you saw the meeting where everyone was bussed over to the white house. what do you think to talk about this north korea threat, what is your reaction of what is going on here? are you learning anything about this meeting here today? >> no, you're learning what trump has been doing with a number of these issues which is huffing and puffing without changing the knowledge. there is all of this strategic patience is over, we're not going to take it any more, we're warning you, putting you on notice and it seems after this massive review, after summoning 100 senators and putting them on buses, basically it's the same policy as the obama policy, in fact, bob corker was asked what is this about? what is this new policy about?
and his response was, it was an okay meeting. what did you learn? what is new? like i said, it was an okay meeting. and the optics, remember they said we're putting iran on notice. the danger is if you keep huffing and puffing and the policy seems the same you're going to lose credibility with the next time when you really need to issue a threat it will not be meaning oful. >> let's talk about foreign policy, that is my thing. they're trying to throw everything in there. where are we on foreign policy in the first 100 days of this presidency? >> it's pretty incompetent, honestly and pretty surprising given that you had a very serious a-team for the policy. and one has to assume it's the chaos in the white house. because let's look at it. usually presidents first reach out and reassure our two closest
countries, canada and mexico, well, we've pissed both of them off. >> and this nafta thing helps? >> well, it may be helping in some ways, and the european thing, donald trump has done something i think unprecedented. he has interfered in the middle of a french election on the side of the right wing national populist who wants a pro-russian anti-european and frankly, anti-u.s. policy. i don't think any president has ever done something like that before. so you know there are many, many of these very awkward elements to the policy. in some places you know, the big -- i suppose the bottom line is there has been no major policy reversal. again, after having promised to reverse policy an all sorts of things mostly it is the obama policy being pursued everywhere. >> fareed zakaria. thank you very much. and again, breaking news, the president has agreed not to
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funding for the president trump's long promised border wall may be on the side lines for now, but the president is not backing down. >> the wall is going to get built, folks. in case anybody has any questions. the wall is going to get built, and the wall is going to stop drugs and it's going to stop a lot of people from coming in that shouldn't be here, and it's going to have a huge effect on human trafficking which is a tremendous problem in this world. the wall gets built, 100%. >> i want to talk to michael evangelista, a ceo of a company vying to build the president's border wall. they put out this video rendering of their proposed plan. here it is.
♪ >> so michael, welcome to the program. your construction company has put in a bid to build this. it's a massive wall along the u.s.-mexico border. you're smiling and happy so tell us about your plan. >> well, there's two different concepts that the government wants, what they call two-two and the other is a two-three. one is a solid wall and the other is a double meshed wire wall. most of them are 30 feet in height. they've got anti-tampering, anti-climbing, anti-tunnelling features and feet the president's criteria of being a big beautiful wall. >> there's supposed to be a big beautiful door in it as well. >> right. >> the guidelines in the criteria that you mentioned, they put out some guidelines, does that contain everything that they want?
>> it really does, but we had to -- you know, you have to understand the federal government, they rely on the federal contractors, us, for not just the construction but for also the design. that's why we entered this. we've got a lot of blowback which you've heard about, death threats and things like that, but we entered this thing with some sobriety. had to do a lot of soul searching before we got into the process and we wanted to be a productive part of the solution rather than sit on the sidelines. >> some people, you know, your grandparents came to this country as undocumented immigrants. what does your family think of the plans to build this wall? >> well, you know, when i explained -- i've got 57 first cousins so you can imagine it's a big family so when word got out, one of my aunts picked up the phone to me and she didn't take a breath, god love her, for 30 minutes, but when i explained to her that the reason we got into this conversation is because we were hearing some very disturbing rumors about lethal options. you have to understand the federal contracting community is a very small community so we were hearing things very disturbing to us like an electrified fence and razor
wire. we do a lot work for the bureau of prisons. so we know what those things can do. those things have barbs on them. >> that's my first time hearing that. who said that? i've never even heard the administration even talk about that. >> oh, no. this is -- this is, again, it's the government that's relying on us, the federal contractors, to come up with the design, and so what was happening is when the project was first initiated, and everyone was talking about it, we started hearing these disturbing rumors and that's why we decided to put our hat in the ring rather than sit on the sidelines and let maybe somebody else figure it out. >> let me ask you a more direct question here because i understand over 80% of your employees are latinos. >> that's right. >> i want to know what their reaction is? >> this is about business and safety for you. do you think that there needs -- >> it is. >> that a wall needs to be there between the border, on the border? >> well, let me say it this way. i've been speaking about immigration reform and border
security both for the last decade or so. you know, i have -- what i have found from the american people and talking across this nation about both of these very important issues is that the american people just simply do not have the appetite to pass any new laws when we're not enforcing the laws on books. in other words, i think this is actually ultimately going to help. once we secure our border, in other words, enforce the laws on books, the american people will finally have the very much-needed conversation about comprehensive immigration reform. we've got about 14 million, 1 million, 20 million undocumented immigrants with no avenue to citizenship. >> it's down a lot since president trump took office which may mean that it's more about legislation and where you stand on illegal immigration. >> right. that's exactly right. >> so do you think we need wall? >> i do, and i think there's not been a better time for us to do it. as you mentioned, immigration is down to 40% of what it normally is. i think if there's a time in the
last 30 years or so that we're going to put up a wall, now would be a time because the impact is going to be something that i think everyone can live with and conversely what we get out of that is once we secure our borders then finally we'll be able to have this much needed. >> how did your 80 ers of-please who are latinos react? what did they say is it. >> initially we all got together as a team. even though i'm ceo and owner, this isn't a decision i made just myself. >> listen, i've got to run. so this is more about a profit. >> no, we're a for profit company, but no, this is not about the money.
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another setback for president trump as he closes in on the 100th day mark. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. the president reverses himself on one of his biggest issues trade, tonight announcing he has agreed not to terminate nafta at this time after speaking with the president of mexico -- presidents of mexico and the prime minister i should say of canada, but remember when he said this? it was just last week. >> nafta has been a disaster. >> we have these provisions where you have to wait long periods of time. nafta has been very, very bad for our country. it's been very, very bad for our companies and for our workers, and we're going to make some very big changes, or we are