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>> watch the report tonight, "missing madeleine mccann," 10:00 eastern here on cnn. i'm brooke baldwin here in new york. thanks so much for being with me on this friday afternoon, but stay right here. "the lead" with jake tapper starts right now. thanks, brooke. it is cinco de mayo today which means one year ago this happened. "the lead" starts right now. replacing the plan to repeal and replace. senate now taking a crack of its own version of trump care and maybe this time we'll get to find out what it costs. it's not as if the north korean government is known for adhering to facts. in 2012 they claimed they had discovered a unicorn layer. that's true. look it up, but how wild is their new claim that the cia infiltrated the country to kill kim jong-un. >> literally trampling free speech. an armored plowing over a crowd of people as deadly protests are reaching a new level of
horrific. good morning, everyone, welcome to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. we'll begin today with the politics lead. president trump heading to his golf club in jersey for the weekend tweeting this morning, quote, big win in the house. very exciting, but when everything comes together with the inclusion of phase two, we will have truly great health care. now, as the bill moves to it the senate republicans there are saying that they will write their own bill to repeal and replace obamacare, not just use the house version. athena jones is traveling with president trump and is live for us in branchburg, new jersey, and athena, optics of president trump with all the house republicans in the rose garden yesterday, it's as if the bill had become law, but actually we're very far from there. >> reporter: hi, jake, it was a big win for the white house but only a partial one. with the bill now in the senate white house officials say president trump will be fully engaged in selling it just like he was on the house side, but it's noticeable that the
president hasn't yet embraced the trump care label or brand for this legislation, even as he promiseses it will mean fantastic health care. as the senate prepares to take its own stab at a bill to repeal and replace obamacare, president trump is celebrating on twitter and sharing his signature optimism. >> i think we'll get it through. >> the republicans are very united, like seldom before. they are very, very united. you saw that today, and you'll see it again. the senate is looking forward to getting it. >> reporter: but the true prognosis for legislation in the upper chamber is uncertain, that's because despite the president's talk of unity gop senators across the ideological spectrum are already voicing concerns about various provisions. more moderate members like ohio's rob portman and lisa murkowski of alaska don't like the bill's cuts to medicaid. while some conservatives like john thune of south dakota worry
it doesn't include enough money to help lower income people and seniors afford coverage. kentucky senator rand paul, meanwhile, has complained the bill directs too much taxpayer money to insurance companies. >> if your baby is going to die. >> reporter: after comedian jimmy kimmel's emotional testimony this week about his newborn son who has a heart defect, la will's bill cassidy, a physician wants to make sure people with pre-existing conditions can get affordable care. >> i wanted to pass the jimmy kimmel test. if a child is born and has tetralogy of fallot like this child has, that they will receive all services. >> reporter: concerns not just being expressed on capitol hill. gop governors weighing in on medicaid and subsidies for low-income people. >> there needs to be more changes in the senate, but what we have right now from a governor's standpoint in arkansas is really not manageable over the long term. >> the bottom line is even as
the house's congressional campaign arm congratulations members in a new web video some acknowledge the senate will likely make significant changes to the american health care act before a vote. >> we'll have a whole new debate in the senate. >> the white house signaling today it expects revisions as the plans move forward. >> i feel like there will be some changes. that's part of the process, the legislative process. we fully anticipate that to play out. >> reporter: and any vote is likely weeks away. since unlike the house the senate plans to wait for non-partisan congressional budget office to score the bill's impact on the deficit. and the senate planning to use special rules known as reconciliation to pass their version of the repeal and replace bill by 51 votes instead of the usual 60 with vice president pence able to serve of as the tiebreaker in senate. that means they can only afford to lose two of their members and still secure passage and whatever changes the senate makes will have to be approved
by the house setting up a potentially significant challenge ahead. jake. >> athena jones with president trump, thanks so much. joining me now is senator ben cardin, a democrat from maryland. thanks for joining us. >> good to be here, thanks. >> is there any version of what the house passed that you could support? is there anything -- if anything were changed from it, it could you support it? >> well, i can't support a proposal that's going to affect tens of millions of people losing their coverage that puts additional burdens on our state. state of maryland stands to lose about $2 billion in medicaid funds. that's not acceptable, and quite frankly the bill has to improve the health care system. not just to be an excuse to cut taxes for wealthier people. >> what are you hearing from your republican check about the health care bill? >> i think most are very concerned that we're reimposing pre-existing conditions. they don't want to do that. they are very concerned that the states are going to be left with
the burdens of the medicaid system and the federal government is pulling back on that commitment, and we're hearing that what we want to do sim prove the health care system. we don't want to jeopardize those with coverage today. >> let's talk about that, because there's an article in the "washington post" that notes one of your state's maryland biggest obamacare insurers, blue cross blue shield wants a massive 50% rate hike next year. obviously you know there's signs all over that obamacare is in trouble in various states. do you feel any obligation to work with the republican majority in the senate to try to get something done that will help these individuals in your state? >> it's the individual market and what was done in the house made the situation worse. by not enforcing the mandate, the risk pool becomes much more difficult, and, therefore, the premiums go up higher because sicker is people are the ones that go into the market, the healthier people stay out. i did talk to our provider in maryland, and that's exactly
what they said, our payner maryland. they said if we had an enforcible mandate their premium increase would not be anywhere near as it is in the request, but we do need more competition in the individual marketplace and we need to work for more competition. we're interested in improving the affordable care act. we want to see more competition and lower costs, but you don't do it by taking away coverage for millions of americans. >> when you talk about making it an enforcible mandate, think that the fine on individuals who do not purchase health insurance but can afford it should be increased? >> no. we think that everyone should be in the system so that everyone should be encouraged to get into the system. you don't get healthier people in the system when you say you're not going tone force the law. they are going to stay out until they feel like they need it. also, we're concerned that people who have pre-existing conditions aren't going to get adequate coverage. they are going to be in a high-risk pool, and they won't have adequate coverage to cover their needs. >> senator, as you know, health
care consumers have seen their premiums go up since obamacare was passed. they were going up >> there's been increases -- >> let me just go on, if i could. the premiums have gone up, deductibles have gone up and many people liked their doctor and were not able to keep their doctor. didn't make the democrats make some promises that were broken and set the stage for yesterday's vote? >> we do want to see this bill improved. there's been problems the affordable care act. we're prepared to deal with those issues no. bill has ever been passed that couldn't be made better, but quite frankly many people today, millions, have health coverage that didn't have it before. millions have affordable coverage that didn't have it before. more have quality coverage, that is, it's covering mental health and addiction services. they didn't have that before. we now have maternal coverage for all. if you start to allow states to pick this apart, those who need maternity coverage, those who have pre-existing conditions, those who are a little bit older will pay a lot more.
>> senator ben cardin, democrat of maryland, thanks so much for your time, sir. >> thank you. the money lead, the unemployment rate hit had a milestone. it dropped to 4.4% for the month of april, its lowest point in a decade and a long way since topping 10% in 2009. the last time we've seen a number this low was in may 2007. new numbers out today from the labor department showed the u.s. added 211,000 jobs in april. many economists credit president trump's promises for tax cuts or more infrastructure or deregulation for the gains. for the first time since the black hawk down disaster in 1993 an american service member has been killed in somalia. we're learning more about the operation that cost a navy s.e.a.l. his life and wounded two other troops. stay with us. hey, i'm the internet! i know a bunch of people who would love that. the internet loves what you're doing... ...so build a better website in under an hour with...
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some breaking news now. president trump's nominee to be secretary of the army mark green has withdrawn his name from nomination. he said, quote, tragically my life of public service and christian beliefs have been mischaracterized and attacked by a few on other side of the aisle for political gain, unquote. also today, we have new information coming in about the
attack in somalia thursday that left an american navy s.e.a.l. deadch the pentagon says the member was on a mission just outside the capital of mogadishu. their operation was targeting the al qaeda affiliate al shabaab when they came under fire. the latest death came as a top u.s. general was sounding the alarm on the strenuous workload for special ops teams from around the globe. cnn's barbara starr joins me live from the pentagon. let's start with the operation in somalia. what are you learning about it? >> reporter: jake, we know one navy s.e.a.l. killed and two other service members wuned when they were working on a mission with somali forces. they were going to a compound looking for somali al shabaab members who had been involved in attacks in areas where u.s. troops had been. a lot will have americans may not realize that u.s. special forces have been on the ground very quietfully somalia for some time now advising and assisting somali forces to try and push this al qaeda affiliate out of there. the people of somalia suffering
greatly at the hands of the al shabaab group, but as you say this simply underscores another country where u.s. special operations forces are on the ground in very small numbers doing the heavy lifting here in the most dang roufs circumstances and sadly, of course, this navy s.e.a.l. killed when the al shabaab group launched a small arms attack at them. jake? >> indeed, barbara. the last few months we've reported on the deaths and woundings of navy s.e.a.l.s, of green berets and before news of of this death the commander of u.s. special operations addressed the strain on special operators around the world of the take a listen. >> we're not -- we're not the ultimate solution for every problem, and you will not hear that coming from us. >> can special ops keep up the pace? >> reporter: it is going to be very difficult. what general thomas, and we have reported on him extensively said
there, it's one of the biggest military challenges right now. presidents tend to get very enamored of special forces and want to use them all the time around the world, and they are not the panacea. special forces will be the first to tell you that you neat diplomacy and economic action and financial action in many of these very troubled spots around the world. they can only do so much, and under the trump administration you're seeing more and more reliance on special operations forces. again, some of the most dangerous terrorists in somalia, in libya and in iraq and in syria. the list goes on and on, and there is a good deal of concern at the very highest vefls of special operations forces that they are simply getting stretched too thin. jake? >> barbara starr,tic around. a lot more to talk about including something that sounds like the plot from the movie "the interview" with seth rogan. north korea claims it's quite real. the rogue nation is accusing the
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a stunning and oddly detailed accusation by north korea, communist regime is claiming that the united states and south korea teamed up to try to assassinate kim jong-un with a biochemical weapon. in fact, north korean state media goes as far as to say that the u.s. is putting isis to shame. let's bring back cnn pentagon correspondent barbara star and barbara, normally i wouldn't put a lot of okay? what the north koreans are saying. they had a story several years ago about how they discovered a unicorn layer and these stories are quite specific. why would they release the propaganda? what is the motive if it's not that it's true? >> well, you know, the intelligence community in the u.s. will be the first to tell you that you don't know why north korea is doing what it's doing. one of the theories. they may be doing it for internal consumption to make the regime appear stronger in the eyes of the north korean people but it's doing nothing to ease tensions it on the world stage. north korea has accused the u.s.
and south korea of plotting to assassinate kim jong-un with a biochemical substance. is it just propaganda or could it possibly be true? north korea's state-run news agency made the assassination claim in extraordinary detail >> translator: an atrocious terrorist group inside north korea under a covert and meticulous preparation by the cia and the national intelligence service for the purpose of committing a biochemical terror against the supreme leadership was recently detected. a u.s. intelligence official declined to comment. a south korean official says their government knew nothing about it. a pentagon spokesman telling reporters -- >> i've heard the media reports but familiar with no reality that would match them. >> reporter: north korea has had a history of making unfounded claims. cnn was not able to independently corroborate this latest allegation. >> you want us to assassinate
the leader of north korea? >> yes. >> what? >> reporter: but it all sounds like the move "the interview" which angered kim and he accused the u.s. government of being behind the making of the film. it's widely believed he ordered a 2014 cyber attack on sony pictures in retaliation. a former khai officer says the latest allegation is not credible. >> first of all, there's no authority. the cia would need a lethal finding found by the president. something like that would leak out immediately and secondly it doesn't have the capability to operate in north korea. it's a police state, complete lockdown. there are no cia agents running around. >> north korea, now a priority for u.s. special operations forces. the top commander openly telling congress he's increasingly getting ready for what he calls contingencies in korea. >> countering russian aggression is the number two priority, is
that correct, general thomas? >> i'll tell you. it's being challenged by our preparations for korea. >> reporter: those preparations are making special operations forces able in the event of war to attack north korean nuclear sites and even conduct sabotage missions, a defense official tells cnn. now u.s. special operations forces are actually the group of the military now in charge of dealing with weapons of mass destruction. they have the lead on that and that means north korea is in their eye sights front and center. jake? >> all right, barbara starr, thank you so much. president trump doubling down on australia's government-provided health care system. the president even saying everybody has better health care than america. is he setting the bar a little too high for the republican bill in the senate? stay with us. at whole foods market, we believe in food that's naturally beautiful and fresh. delicious and powerful,
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welcome back to "the lead." let's stay with politics and dive right in the with my panel. no shortage of things to talk about. mary katherine, you're an obamacare user. you're on the individual market in the commonwealth of virginia, and you have talked about how difficult it has been to see your premiums go up. what do you make of the republican health care bill that just passed the house? are you happy withit? >> well, i think, first of all, skeptical of all health care change bills so i'm looking at it that way, but i think the issue is this -- in this individual market you do have people who are really hurting. middle and working class people who have health care that they almost can't use because the deductibles are hit pentagon 13,000, it 12,700 and the mortgage-sized premiums. you do get your free checkup once a yore but at that price it's a very expensive free
checkup so you have to work on that problem and my concern is that the incentive was to do nothing and it was very hard to get something through the house. i'm glad they have gotten something through. i don't think this is the finished product and a lot of and-wring begun things not even in the bill including the idea that pre-existing coverage would go away which is not in there, so i'm trying to evaluate is calmly and figure out whether it would work for my family and all the others who are hurt and don't want to endanger the people who are helped by aca who i've acknowledged that exist and there's trade-offs in any of these situations. >> trump telling australian prime minister malcolm turn bull that australia has better health care than the u.s. take a listen. >> we have a failing health -- i shouldn't say this to our great gentleman and my friend from australia because you have better health care than we do. >> president trump doubling down on this. of course, the australians have better health care than we do, everybody does. obamacare is dead but our health
care will soon be great. probably worth pointing out that australia has government-funded health care. >> like all industrialized countries. >> single payer. >> health care. we're the only country that doesn't, so i would actually agree with him that they probably do have better health care separate from the obamacare thing, but i would say -- i also use obamacare. >> oh, really. >> i didn't know that. mary katherine and i have talked a bit about this, and i've had a problems with it. my premiums have gone up substantially and my care has stayed about the same. you know, but i also have pre-existing conditions so while this bill may technically says something about protecting pre-existing conditions, it also says states can get a waiver and i'm told it's very easy to get a waiver. >> get a waiver for the community waiver. >> can get a waiver to set up a high-risk pool which is basically what existed prior to obamacare. there were about 35 states that set up high-risk pools so i think that the problem is that there's really nothing in this bill as far as i can tell that brings down costs other than
taking people out with pre-existing conditions. nothing else here that could possibly do that. the selling across state lines, not in the summary, and even if it is it would never get past the bird rule so basically the way if costs go down, it will go down because they pull people with pre-existing conditions out of the market. >> and reduce coverage, reduce the amount of coverage. as the bill goes to senate, i want to get your reaction. take a listen to senator bill cassidy from louisiana talking about what he wants to see in the bill. >> i asked does it pass the jimmy kimmel test? with a child born with a congenital heart disease be able to get everything he or she would need in that first year of life? i wanted it to pass the jimmy kimmel test. >> jimmy kimmel talking about his son billy 15 days old born with this heart defect and had intense surgery. i talked to a health care expert today who said if you take away the obamacare rules which do not
allow discrimination on individuals based on pre-existing conditions, billy might have the to pay $40,000, $50,000 a year for insurance. >> that's right. jimmy kimmel can do that and most people can't do that, so when you have someone like charles krauthammer going on tv and predicting there's going to be a single payer system, you know, within seven years it tells you on some level where this debate is heading and whether the debate heads there now when this bill goes to the senate before the mid terms or whether the senate actually acts on a bill and then this rears its head back in time for next presidential election, look, somewhere between like a quarter and a third of americans in many states have pre-existing -- everything is a pre-existing condition, not just cancer, like diabetes, allergies, depression. >> if you've been rape it had counts as a pre-existing conditions in many insurance companies. >> there will hit a threshold where so many americans have a xe existing condition and it's suchd -- and it's such a bakedin
expectation, this issue is not going away and that's the legacy of the affordable care act. >> guaranteed issue is part of the federal law under the bill that was pass. can you get a waiver in a state for a community rate which is the idea you can charge more. >> but that's -- that's the big deal, whether or not can you charge someone $50,000. i also want to be clear about it it. the other thing with the idea that sexual assault is a pre-existing condition, sexual assault is a pre-existing condition is explicitly banned with, outlawed in 44 states and it has -- even before aca was not routinely practiced in any sort of way so i also want to be clear about that and not have the sky falling on us when in fact -- >> the only reason i'm even bringing it up is because a friend of one of my producers was raped and was denied health insurance in 2010 i think because she was raped and insurance companies said they considered that a pre-existing condition. >> all things associated with rape, if you have ptsd and that
kind of thing, those are pre-existing conditions. >> don't conflate with the actual numbers on the ground but as a political matter, the way americans perceive it does matter, and for those americans who might fall through the cracks. >> which is why i want to tell the truth about it. >> here's the question though. all these people, all these americans with pre-existing conditions, who have severe health problems or need insurance and can't be discriminated on with a $50,000 a year premiums, someone is going to pay for them. so the question is is it going to be people like you two whose insurance premiums went up during obamacare, or is it going to be the government with these high-risk pools? i think that's the trade-off that people aren't >> and there are always trade-offs. that's how i want to talk about this because it is a question of who foots the bill for these things? think one thing that is problematic in the individual market right now is that folks who do not have the pre-existing conditions who are young and healthy are disincentivized to be in there, and you need those folks in the system specifically -- >> how are they disincentivized.
>> because you don't get anything out of it. >> if you're at 15,000, 20k that you're putting into a health insurance program, quote, before you get a lot of benefits, then you might as well be socking away that money for your own catastrophic care. >> yeah. >> or you're spending that when you're not spending it on a mortgage. people are making real el big decisions here. it's not the largest portion of people affected by aca and it's a serious problem and you're sending the message to young and healthy folks that, yes, the text penalty is much better so i would like a system where we can incentivize those people so we can help pre-existing conditions and the older and sicker and you do have to shave off some of the mandates because people cannot offer but these very heavy programs with very heavy deductibles. >> kirsten, you'll agree with me, when margaret and i were covering president obama, introducing obamacare, we covered at the time that he was selling like this is going to be great for everyone. >> yeah. >> there was no discussion of, well, if you're young and male and healthy, your premiums are
going to go up a lot, but if you're older or female or sick, then you're -- you're going to be benefit. >> and the truth is on the individual markets which we're both in, we're the type of people who are paying really high deductibles -- high premiums with high deductibles where somebody who is very young maybe is paying a little bit of money and is getting subsidies. i'm not getting any subsidies, so it does sort of shift everything over to this very small group of people, and that's not fair. you know, and that is not -- that's not what he sold. i mean, i've been extremely critical of obamacare, and i was a big supporter of it so the way it's been implemented is problematic and i was really hope that the republicans were going to do something to actually fix the problem and i just don't feel like they have. i don't see how this is in any way going to change the underlying dynamics. why is my health insurance going to go down, especially somebody with pre-existing conditions. >> you can get a plan that doesn't cover all of the ten
essential health benefits, if you don't want pediatric ophthalmology. >> the tax credit which you can argue whether that's a good way to do it or not. the tax credit would give you resource and give you that tax benefit that employers have that might make that look different. i don't know that it would. >> if my insurance doesn't go up because i have a pre-existing condition though, see what i'm saying. since i have a pre-existing condition. >> speaking of the way obama sold it, trump is going to step all over republicans by selling it the same way. >> he said you're premiums are going to go down and deductibles. >> if you like your doctor you're going to keep your doctor. >> thanks one and all for being here. appreciate it. an armored vehicle plowing into a crowd of protesters as the deadly unrest grows in venezuela, but will the government back off any time soon? plus, the votes that could be felt around the world. another divided country is making a decision and one american president is already weighing in. stay with us. so ammara, you're a verizon engineer, tell me, what's one really good reason why the samsung galaxy s8 is better on verizon?
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welcome back. more in our world lead. what could be the world's most consequential election of the year. emotions are running high in france as voters are set to choose their next president. it's been centrist emmanuel macron and marine le pen, each with a remarkable vision for the country and its relationship with europe and the united states, and the result could resonate beyond france's border signalling the future of the european union in a populist wave around the world. president obama backed macron in a video message saying between donald trump jr.'s pro-le pen
support president trump might as well be saying i'm with her. let's bring in melissa bell from paris, recent polls and i hesitate to say anything about polling, but polls say macron has a substantial lead right now. >> yes, he does. he goes into this race with more than a 20-point lead. this especially after wednesday's night's very bitter debate between the two candidates pitting her version for france that would leave the european nato retreat to sort of economic protectionism and his openness and continuation of what we've seen so far with a pro-european stance on the other hand. this is the chase facing france on sunday and these were the battle lines that were drawn, jake, in the first round of voting ten days ago. have a look. it was a victory of a pro-european pro-globalization agenda. as the world watched on the independent centrists celebrated a victory that few had imagined
possible. emmacron had run without an established party and with no experience of elected office and he had won the first round of france's presidential poll. immediately behind him the woman who had believed she would win. the far right's marine le pin who saw off other nine candidates with her anti-eu, anti-globalization and anti-eu platform leaving a stark chance to france on sunday, between a continued openness to the wider world or in withdrawal from it. with that first result the country's political lines were redrawn and effects on the street was competed and her second place finish was met with anti-fascist protests and a new strategy of reaching out to her core electorate before the runoff. on may 1st she delivered a speech that was a exact copy of one given just days before by her former rival, the mainstream republican, francois fillon.
macron has a solid lead in the polls, but he still needs to convince many of those on both the left and the right that his candidate is worried and worry about attacks to a woman nearly 25 years his senior. >> translator: i felt a huge fear in this country about the future of families, and am i an enemy of families because mine is different? i'm not ashamed of it. >> on wednesday the two met face-to-face for one last time ahead of sunday's vote, only two weeks after the latest terror attack and security was among their battle grounds. >> we have to eradicate the ideology of islamism. that is something which you wouldn't do because you're subjected to them. we have to strengthen the resources of the police and we to do this before the attacks had committed. >> reporter: on sunday the
french will vote and that will have consequences beyond the country's own borders. i think the reason the american presidents current and form remember taking such an interest is in a sense, this is a continuation of a debate that was begun months ago in the united states and also, of course, because of those consequences for european union and also for france's powe position in the world and for trump's relative isolation or not in groups like the g7, the security council. jake. >> melissa bell, thanks so much. in order world news the crisis in venezuela growing worse by the day. new graphic video capturing an armored carrier mowing down demonstrators in the streets of the capital city caracas wednesday. as riot police fired tear gas. among those run over pedro michael amin who was rushed to the hospital with collapsed lungs. he's one of the many protesters demanding support as the president maduro tries to change power by altering the country's
constitution. 18-year-old armando canazalis was killed, a member of the symphony orchestra. a freelance journalist joins me on the phone live from caracas. what's the latest on the ground where you are? >> reporter: jake, the latest here is that today caracas is quiet and can actually focus on the most dramatic crisis that is affecting everyday venezuelans because let's not forget that it's measured by the protests on street. venezuela still has to come up with the most living conditions in history. venezuela is in shortage of everyday goods and a survey by independent scientists, three out of four venezuelans are losing weight this year, so the frustration goes on in the street. they cannot find the basic food, main basic foods for their family, for the livestock, so
this is what is pressing them the most and even on a day like today where we are not ready for the marches and the political clashes are taking a step back, things are still very much on the agenda. >> is there any sign at all that the government there under maduro might allow new elections? >> reporter: what president maduro is doing is proposing changes to the constitution and by doing what? he's calling for the election of a national constituent so should reply to the current policies made up of the delegation. a new constitution will be draft. we know that the government has reached out to the opposition and tried to find common ground. the opposition has not sent out a reply and they are rejecting
the calls from president maduro saying this is another chance for fraud. at moment the current elections, still hart for this up and coming nationalism as called by president minister of aro. >> stefano, thank you so much. please stay safe. president trump could decide as early next week whether to withdraw from the paris climate accord. next we'll talk to the obama administration's chief negotiator for the deal and find out what a u.s. exit from the accord might mean. ♪
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according to reports from reuters in "the washington post." the investigation is focused on the secret software used to evade authorities in places where the ride-sharing company was banned or restricted. the software which was internally dubbed gray ball identified regulators who were posing as uber customers and ordered to try to prove that uber was operating illegally and the software would block uber drivers from picking them up. uber says the software was prohibited shortly after its existence was made known in march by the "new york times." finally today in our earth matters series, the trump administration is considering withdrawing from the paris climate accord, or at least weakening the u.s. commitment to reduce begun a quarter of the u.s. carbon emissions by the year 2025. the paris climate agreement is the world's first comprehensive climate agreement adopted in 2015 by nearly 200 nations. sources tell cnn that a decision by president trump could come as early as next week. here with me to talk about it more is todd stern, the lead u.s. negotiator for the paris
negotiation under president obama. thanks so much for being here. >> thanks, jake. >> what would it mean if the u.s. were to pull out entirely from the agreement? >> it would be a huge big deal. it would fundamentally undermine the international regime. first of all, you can't solve climate change without an international regime because it's a quintessential global problem. >> when you say international regime, you mean the international community? >> paris is an agreement that was entered in by 195 nations who all had to agree, who had been working on this for years and years and years and it happened with enormous u.s. leadership, right, so you have great investment, but you -- you can't get the problem solved without that kind of international cooperation, and if the u.s. is not -- is not part of it it, you're not going to -- the u.s. is -- is essentially an indispensable nation. you've got to the have the u.s. in order for this agreement to really work, and it would also have an inormous impact on the u.s. itself. >> and if if the u.s. were to weaken the commitment, not pull out entirely, and say we're not
going to motor that standard or not going to try to meet that standard by 2025, what would that mean? >> it would be very unfortunate, a bad signal and bad example to others, but it's a lot better than pulling out of the agreement all together. i don't condone that at all, but as between the two it's absolutely better to stay in the agreement. look, the -- the pulling out would cause enormous damage to the standing of the united states in the world. you have enormous investment by -- by countries all over the world. the u.s. pulling out would be a kind of slap in the face, and -- and it's kind of a to hell with you with respect to the issue that the countries have been enormously concerned about, rightly concerned about, and if you think you're going to turn around and seek cooperation of other countries on all sorts of other issues.
>> you think that would help president trump with diplomacy on north korea or anything else? >> whether it affects north korea or iran or this one, i think it depends. you'll see u.s. credibility and leverage in the international community absolutely reduce and this is an issue that people care about and that they know they cannot solve without u.s. engagement and for the u.s. to suddenly say we don't care about your concerns and we'll walk away from everything we've just done, be very, very damaging. >> in terms of president trump, what would you -- look, he's said that he thinks climate change is a chinese hoax. he obviously does not take it seriously at all. there are people in the administration such as ivanka trump and jared kushner and others who take it more seriously and don't want him to withdraw. how is the environmental community, how are people like you trying to convince him not to pull out of this or weaken it? >> you don't just need to look
at the environmental community, right. you look at the pentagon and the intelligence community and the business community. there's overwhelming support in the business community for the united states to stay in and for good reason. they look at climate change. they actually know that's real. it's not an ideological issue for them. this is a dollars and cents issue. they know that paris was a good deal, an historic deal that's balanced. they want the united states in this deal because if they are not in this deal, the business interests of the u.s. won't be protect. there's all kinds issues that arise in these discussions, and they will be ongoing discussions to -- to further implement paris, but issues like intellectual property, are issues like trade. the u.s. business community won't be protected if the united states is not there, and they know it and business likes predictability and in-out, in-out is not what business wants so business, it's also supportive of staying in. >> todd stern thanks so much.
>> tune into sunday. cnn for "state of the union." my guest will be health and human services secretary dr. tom price and ohio governor john kasich starting at 9:00 a.m. eastern. and then again at noon. i now turn it over to brianna keilar in for wolf blitzer in "the situation room." thanks for watching. happening now, breaking news. russia records request. the senate intelligence committee wants documents from three former trump advisers and is prepared to use subpoenas to get them. one ex-trump campaign aide has told panel members that if they want details of his russia contacts, they will have to ask barack obama claiming the former president spied on him. starting from scratch, a day after president trump and house republicans celebrated a narrow health care victory, the house bill is basically dead on arrival in senate where republicans say they will write their own bill and they will take their time doing it. assassination plot. with tensions already high, north korea accuses the u.s. of