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a friend either. we've never met." the two are due to meet at the g-20 summit in july. >> or the day he compared artists to patriotics and say they fight against those who say bad things against russia but says they weren't government-attacked and the hackers want to make the attacks appear government-supported. >> i'm poppy harlow. >> i'm john berman. "at this hour with kate bolduan" starts right now. thank you, john. thank you, poppy. hello, everyone. i'm kate bolduan. it is the thursday cliffhanger at the white house, a decision with global ramifications and a question the rest of the world is waiting to hear president trump's answer -- will the u.s. stay in the paris climate accord or will trump break away and join syria and nicaragua on the very short list of countries who aren't signing on? president trump says he will announce his decision in just a few hours. government sources say, though, that he's already made up his
mind and is planning to withdraw the u.s. from the agreement. of course, no one, not even white house aides know for sure what the president will say until he actually makes his announcement, and he is building up the suspense for just that, scheduling not just an announcement, but a white house rose garden announcement for this. cnn will bring that to you live. now to the other drama involving the white house, the russia investigation now kicks into a new gear. a flurry of subpoenas overnight. the house intelligence committee issuing seven of them, four targeting fired national security adviser michael flynn and the president's personal attorney, michael cohen. the other three seek information about unmasking requests made by the obama administration. so, let's get to this first. breaking it down is shimon peres. seven subpoenas, what do we know about them? >> so, that's right. it's just a continuation of this investigation now on the house side. the senate intel committee had already issued subpoenas. so, yesterday late, we were told that michael flynn, his flynn
intel group were subpoenaed, that the house committee wants to look at his records. keep in mind, flynn's records have already been subpoenaed by a grand jury out of the eastern district of virginia. >> right. >> michael cohen, who is trump's personal attorney, was recently seen at the white house. it's not clear what they're looking for from him, but our understanding is that certain records pertaining to perhaps some russian communications, if he had any russian communication. he has denied it, but he has said that he's willing to cooperate if he's subpoenaed. >> so, that's half the deal coming from the house intelligence committee right now. >> that's right. >> then you've got three other subpoenas. this has to do with the unmasking investigation. >> right. so, if you remember, devin nunes made a big deal out of this during one of the hearings, and he's very much interested in sort of part of the leak investigation into who was unmasking u.s. officials that may have been caught on intercepts, overseas intercepts, people who were maybe talking to russians or whose names was mentioned by russians.
we've done some reporting where russians were talking about u.s. officials, russia to russia, not necessarily that u.s. officials were talking -- >> talking with them. >> but, so, he's sort of making a big deal out of it, because certainly he feels michael flynn's name was let out and that was illegal. look, john brennan, susan rice who was the national security adviser at the time, they have asked her to come testify. she has refused. samantha powers is interesting. i don't understand exactly what they're looking from her, but she would have been in on some of the intelligence, certainly. and interestingly, john brennan, who just recently testified -- >> right. >> he said that he doesn't remember ever asking for anything, you know, to unmask anything, certainly in the days leading up to the end of his time at the cia. >> i do remember them making a big deal -- on your last day, did you submit an unmasking request. >> exactly right. >> and he said he didn't remember that. stay tuned for this. great to see you, shimon, thank you so much. >> thank you. and there is more.
attorney general jeff sessions is facing new questions about another possible undisclosed, private meeting with the russian ambassador to the u.s., and that is now yet another focus for congressional investigators. april 27th of last year at the storied mayflower hotel in washington -- trump was there to give a big foreign policy speech. and as you can see, we'll show you both the russian ambassador and jeff sessions were front and center at this event. so, what do congressional investigators want to know now? jessica schneider's tracking all this side of the story. jessica, lay it out for us. >> reporter: kate, they want to know if attorney general jeff sessions had an additional undisclosed private meeting with russian ambassador sergey kislyak during the campaign. so, sources tell cnn the inquiry centers around that april 27th, 2016 date at the mayflower hotel rights here in washington. that's when you saw that video, then candidate donald trump delivering his first major foreign policy address. and ambassador kislyak actually sat in the front row. but just prior to the speech, then senator sessions and
ambassador kislyak attended a small vip reception with organizers and diplomats. investigators are looking into that, and they haven't yet determined if, in fact, a private meeting between sessions and kislyak took place. investigators also acknowledge it's possible any additional meeting was incidental. but of course, this could be problematic for sessions if it emerges he did meet with kislyak. sessions already had to recuse himself from the russia investigation for failure to disclose two previous meetings with kislyak. one at the rnc in july, and another in a senate office. this came during the confirmation hearing in january when he said he did not have any communications with the russians during the campaign. then when reports emerged in march that he had met with kislyak, sessions admitted the meetings happened but insisted they were part of his senate duties. and then in march, when sessions was asked if he had any other meetings with russians besides those two, here was his response. >> let me be clear, i never had
meetings with russian operatives or russian intermediaries about the trump campaign. and the idea that i was part of a "continuing exchange of information" during the campaign between trump surrogates and intermediaries for the russian government is totally false. >> reporter: so, sessions denying any additional meeting there. but kate, investigators on the hill are now requesting additional information, including schedules from sessions, to determine if this private meeting on april 27th at the mayflower may have happened between sessions and russian ambassador kislyak. now, the justice department is also responding. they say it this way. they say the facts haven't changed. the then senator did not have any private or side conversations with any russian officials at the mayflower hotel. but nevertheless, kate, sources briefed on this say there is still an investigation ongoing to find out for sure. >> great to see you, jessica. thank you see much.
let's discuss this with errol louis and margaret hoover. they are here. also, former prosecutor who helped prosecute the watergate case against the white house, nick akerman is here as well. there is a lot to get to. errol, jeff sessions. what jessica schneider perfectly laid out, congressional investigators now have more questions about exactly where jeff sessions was, who he met with and when he was there. he's already recused himself from the russia investigation. we already heard of two undisclosed meetings he had previously been unforthcoming about. what does one more undisclosed meeting do? >> it adds to the impression, number one, that there's fire behind the smoke. it also gives some substance to the old adage that the cover-up is worse than the crime. the modified version of it, the real version of it is the cover-up or the problems with being completely candid are actually more easy to detect than whatever the underlying problem was. >> it doesn't tug roll off the tongue so well.
>> it doesn't. that's why cliches were invented. the reality is we don't know what he talked about with ambassador kislyak or why he did it, but we do know that he has not been forthcoming and that in forums where he was expected and required to be perfectly transparent, he was less than candid. and adding one more to that is important because it sort of adds to a growing impression that we're not hearing the truth from somebody who is entrusted with the law enforcement apparatus of the federal government. >> margaret, if you were advising this white house at this point or this administration at this point, would you say, everyone, sit down, look at your calendar, and list out every encounter you had with a russian official during the campaign or through the transition, just to get it out there, because drip, drip, drip is not, not, not so good, and it's not, not, not helping us. or do you leave open the possibility that jeff sessions plum forgot? >> here's one observation. yesterday with this covfefe tweet. >> covfefe. >> covfefe, sorry.
let's just be clear i have the pronunciation. the instinct of sean spicer and the white house was to deny that there had been a grammatical error, okay? it seems as though the default position is always to sort of hide or cover up, rather than to be transparent, even about the most innocent of mistakes. and so, of course, obviously, the thing to do is everybody sit down and figure out when you have met with russians and when you haven't. it's entirely plausible, i suppose that jeff sessions in his capacity as a senator and not suspecting a massive russian organization to port him could have inadvertently had encounters with a russian spy without realizing it, okay? but the point is, you've got to get ahead of it and be transparent, and that's what's being rocked here is faith in our institutions. >> nick, all righty, what do you do with all these subpoenas, and what do all of these congressional subpoenas mean for bob mueller's investigation? >> well, i think that, obviously, bob mueller has got to be coordinating these subpoenas with the congressional committees. >> you think? >> i think so, absolutely,
because he's not going to want witnesses appearing in front of committees and giving testimony without first knowing exactly what they say. i think it'd be irresponsible for the committees not to do that. i don't think they'd want to be put in a political position where they didn't do it and somehow could be accused of undermining the ongoing investigation that is critical in nature. i mean, keep in mind, in this case, the cover-up may not be as bad as the underlying crime, and the allegation that we're looking at here is whether or not there was collusion between the trump campaign and the russian government with this data mining and micro targeting to voters across the country. i mean, there are a lot of experts who are saying that there is no way that this could have been done by the russians alone without some cooperation from within the trump campaign. >> and still no evidence has been presented in public yet. that's what these investigations are about, of course. >> right, but the timeline here is pretty damning.
i mean, if you look at the entire timeline of what occurred with roger stone, who is an adviser to trump during the campaign -- >> on-again/off-again. >> the contacts and on and on. this is not a pretty picture at this point. >> let me ask you about the element that the moment that we start talking about it, everyone's eyes glaze over, i feel like. when you add -- the confusing part of the conversation since it occurred, the unmasking episode with devin nunes, what it -- i continue to return to that he issued subpoenas. he now issued subpoenas for three obama administration officials -- no, for information about three obama administration officials to the intelligence agencies about unmasking. what does that have to do with the russia investigation? >> that's a great question. and devin nunes could probably answer it more clearly than anybody else, but good luck getting that information from him, right? i mean, if -- look, the strategy has been to pivot immediately when the investigations first
began or the questions began to be raised in public to say, well, the problem is not anything we might have done with or without the russians. the problem is that people in the obama administration were tracking down and exposing some of the things that we might have done. and see, to a certain extent, i read it as purely political, sort of trying to sort of throw some smoke and sort of say, well, both sides were doing sort of shady things in the closing weeks of the campaign. >> i'm really interested in your take on this. do you think there are legitimate concerns amongst republicans that there was politically motivated unmasking going on in the final days of the obama administration, or do you think at its core this is trying to muddy the waters? >> look, i think what you have to do is look at who is trying to investigate this. and devin nunes, sadly, has really revealed himself to be a tool of larger political forces rather than somebody who is staying the course and sort of resoundingly searching for the truth. so, it just -- it does wreak of sort of a political sort of you hit me here, i'm going to hit you back, rather than a dogged
interest to get to the bottom of things. and also, i'm not so sure -- the unmasking isn't illegal, okay? >> correct, and -- >> let's remember, it's sort of adding a layer of confusion -- >> unmasking requests are made all the time. was it politically motivated, that is when you would cross the line, that's again where -- >> again, it would tell us more things about how the obama administration operated at the end. i think that's useful for the american people to know, but again, it does seem a little bit like deflecting the story. >> it's hard to keep a straight line on this one, but stay with us, guys. stand by. we've got a lot more to come. did bob mueller compromise the looming testimony of fired fbi director james comey? that is a provocative question. why some are arguing that their conversations that they've had may raise some serious questions going forward. plus, cnn's chasing down the russian banker who met with jared kushner, whose meeting is now under scrutiny by the fbi. see what happened when cnn came up against sergei gorkov. and two disturbing incidents
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mark your calendars, friends, we could be just days away from likely the most dramatic moment in this russia investigation so far. fired fbi director james comey has gotten the green light from special counsel bob mueller to testify before the senate intelligence committee. comey in his own words, finally, about his conversations with the president and whether or not the president told him to drop the probe into michael flynn, or will president trump stop the whole thing in its tracks? margaret, nick and errol are back with me right now. nick, what do you think of -- what do you think of this? do you think -- how forthcoming can james comey be? >> i think he can be fairly forthcoming if he's gone over all of these facts with the special counsel. if i were in the special counsel's shoes, i would want to make sure i knew what he with going to say, i'd want to go
through his testimony before he appeared before a senate committee, because he's going to be the star witness against at least donald trump and certain other people in the white house that he may have had conversations with. >> with that in mind, if bob mueller knows what james comey is likely to say and what he can discuss and what he cannot -- he will talk about his conversations, he won't talk about the russia probe -- does that mean that mueller is not interested in pursuing any kind of obstruction of justice charge? >> not at all. i would think that would be one of the prime subjects of his inquiry with comey. >> but the fact that comey's coming out to talk about it publicly, that doesn't preclude mueller from doing anything? >> no, not at all. in fact, there is no conflict there at all as long as mueller is comfortable that he has prepared comey effectively. the problem with lawyers are they're terrible witnesses, and they have to be prepared. lawyers want to justify everything that they do. and unless you prepare a lawyer
thoroughly, it's going to be terrible. so, i think that mueller is concerned about making sure that he knows what comey is going to say. >> james comey is definitely in terms of terrible, i guess it is determined by his testimony in the past, but he's certainly offering emotive testimony before. margaret, if james comey says, when he testifies, that he was pressured, that he felt pressured by president trump to drop the flynn investigation, dramatic? yes. explosive? yes. but where does that take us? >> well, it also goes to donald trump's primary criticism of comey, is that he's a showhorse. >> showboat. >> a showhorse, a showboat, traveling to get all the attention for himself. what it does, and we have the man who witnessed the history on the front row here with us, but what it does is takes us down a really unhealthy and not wonderful path as a country to making sure that our constitution, our institutions remain intact and can sustain
individuals who have not the best interests of the country at heart as they have taken the highest offices in this country. i mean, that's -- we've seen that movie before, and it looks like, you know, much of this looks like the beginning of that movie again, like the sequel, 2.0. and it's very easy to make watergate comparisons, but we were just talking about the value of reading the history of watergate and really knowing what we're up against. >> it forces the question of impeachment. there's been a lot of talk about, oh, it's premature, and it has been premature up to now to talk about -- >> if and when he says it. >> if and when. but the reality, the impeachment against bill clinton, two counts were obstruction of justice and the other two were plying to a grand jury. it is about the conduct. and if you hear him talk about something that sounds like obstruction of justice, congress cannot responsibly continue to ignore the question. >> quickly, could president
trump put the brakes on this before comey testifies? could he assert, do you think, with everything he's tweeted and said about the conversations himself, do you think he can still assert executive privilege? >> i think he'd have an awfully difficult time doing that. he'd have to go into federal district court to prevent comey from actually testifying. but the problem is, he's already talked about those conversations. >> talked, yes. >> he's already waived those conversations. and more importantly, all of these conversations appear to fall under the crime exception. that is, you don't have a privilege if what you're talking about is criminal activity and if it's in furtherance of an obstruction of justice. there is no way a district court would ever stop comey from testifying under those circumstances. >> stand by, guys. let's see when they put that date on the calendar. great to see you. thank you guys so much. i really appreciate it. hillary clinton's post election media blitz sounding more like an excuses tour right now? her new reasons why she says she lost the election. that's ahead. plus, world leaders, business leaders, even vladimir
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may have had with russian officials. cnn justice correspondent evan perez is joining me now with all this. this is just coming in, and it involves what members of congress want to know, concerns they have. evan, what can you tell us? >> reporter: right. that's right, kate. we have now obtained three letters from senators leahy and senator franken. both of them have been writing, it turns out, since march to the fbi asking for an investigation into any contacts between attorney general jeff sessions and members of his staff with russian officials, including, of course, sergey kislyak, the russian ambassador here in washington. again, they began writing, apparently on march 20th, asking the fbi to investigate this. and part of their concern was in their letters they say that sessions false testimony when he was going through his confirmation hearing. you'll remember he said that he didn't have any communications with russians in response to a
question from senator franken. and at the time, the "washington post" had just published a story back in march saying that sessions had had multiple meetings with kislyak, including in his sent office and at the rnc. now it turns out these two senators have been pursuing this, trying to get the fbi to at least tell them whether or not they're investigating this. they wrote comey gone april 28th, and then they wrote andy mccabe, who is now the acting fbi director, on may 12th, again, asking the fbi to look into this and to provide an update on what they have found. i'll read you part of what -- we have a statement from senators leahy and franken. they say, "we've served with the attorney general in the senate and on the justiciary committee for many years. we know he would not tolerate dishonesty if he were in our shoes. if it is determined that the attorney general still has not been truthful with congress and the american people about his contacts with russian officials during the campaign, he needs to resign." obviously, that's the concern
here. >> wow. >> reporter: from senators franken and leahy, that they believe senator sessions has not been truthful. one particular thing, kate, i'll add real quick to this. one particular meeting in particular that they're concerned about is an april 2016 event at the mayflower hotel here in washington. >> right. >> reporter: i think you covered it a little bit earlier in the show. and they believe that there's more to that, and they want the fbi to look into it. >> and any response from the fbi? >> reporter: we don't have any response yet from the fbi. >> okay. >> reporter: it's not clear whether or not this is something that the fbi's investigating. we've reached out to the fbi to see whether or not they're going to provide an update. >> and can you talk to me a little bit more about what cnn had learned and what i think some of your sources that you guys all learned overnight about jeff sessions and where things stand there with these undisclosed meetings? >> reporter: right. again, the mayflower event, which was back in april of 2016, it's early in the campaign season and donald trump is then
the candidate. he is going to do a foreign policy address. there was a gathering there. according to the justice department, they don't believe that there was anything private that happened between sessions and kislyak, that there was no private interaction. there was, however -- there were two parts of this event. one was a public event, and then there was a smaller gathering. >> right. >> reporter: and it's not clear whether or not sessions and kislyak ever interacted. the justice department says they don't believe so. these senators clearly believe there's more to that, and that's the reason why they're asking the fbi to look into it. we also should mention that the senate committee that is investigating the russian meddling in the 2016 election, they're looking into this as well. they're going to be seeking calendars and other records from the attorney general to see whether any of that might explain what happened that day. >> that senate investigation just continues to get wider and wider and wider. >> reporter: it sure does. >> very interesting information. thank you so much, evan. i really appreciate you bringing us that. bring us more updates if you
hear back from the fbi on any of that. let's move on to this right now. it is 2017. that is not breaking news. but are we still living in a 2016 kind of world? hillary clinton relitigating the election results, donald trump again still calling her crooked, and the american public stuck in the middle of it and sick of all of it. clint clinton's appearance came with another round of who's to blame. listen to this. >> look, i take responsibility for every decision i made, but that's another why i lost. if you look at facebook, the vast majority of the news items posted were fake. they were connected to, as we now know, the 1,000 russian agents who were involved in delivering those messages. we had dean mckay here from "the new york times" yesterday, and they covered it like it was pearl harbor. and then in their endorsement of me, they said, this female thing, it's like a help desk
issue. i have my complaints about former director comey, but it was done. and then it was reignited and it became the major reason toward the end, based on the best analysis that i can find, that i lost ground and ended up losing. >> president trump not able to help himself, tweeted this afterward -- "crooked hillary clinton now blames everybody but herself, refuses to say she was a terrible candidate, hits facebook and even dems and dnc." all right, let me bring in right now ben jealous, who is of course the former president and ceo of the naacp, who has now announced just yesterday that he is jumping into politics officially. he is jumping in the race for governor, the race for governor of maryland. ben, it's great to see you. thanks for coming in. >> thank you. great to see you. >> i want to get to your big announcement in a second, but first on the direction of the democratic party at moment. hillary clinton has offered some of these excuses for her loss in the past -- james comey and russia. but what we haven't heard before from her is blaming the democratic party. listen to this, ben.
>> i set up my campaign, and we have our own data operation. i get the nomination. so i'm now the nominee of the democratic party. i inherit nothing from the democratic party. >> what do you mean nothing? >> i mean, it was bankrupt, it was on the verge of insolvency. its data was mediocre to poor, nonexistent, wrong. i had to inject money into it. >> this is the dnc you're talking about. >> the dnc to keep it going. >> what do you make of that assessment? do you think the dnc is the reason hillary clinton lost? >> well, i guess what it says to me is, frankly, all of us as dems these days want to see our party stronger, know that we've got to rebuild, and frankly, most of that rebuilding starts in our states. you know, we've lost ground in states across the country and we've got to regain it, and that means bringing in young people, and that means more of us stepping up to run.
and so that's why i'm doing what i'm doing. you know, but it's -- you know, it's hard -- >> is it helpful for hillary clinton? because yes, you supported bernie sanders during the election. >> yep. >> when you diso -- >> i also supported her when it came time -- >> that's absolutely right. that's absolutely right. when you see hillary clinton kind of after the fact on more than one occasion offering, kind of pointing the finger outward for the reason why she lost, do you think it's helpful? do you think it's right? do you think she needs to step up and just say i take the blame for it and be done with it? >> look, i think it's reasonable for somebody in her shoes to still be processing what happened. i know many people in this country are. for the rest of us, we've just got to get back to pushing forward. and frankly, we have to be prepared to push forward, no matter what's coming out of washington. what comes out of washington these days, you know, is often just kind of bonkers, you know? and in the meantime, we have children to raise, we have small businesses to build, and we've got to get back to just pushing
our lives forward, and our states are the places to do that. our cities, our counties. we really can't count on congress right now or the supreme court, and we certainly can't count on the white house. i mean, from day to day, it's just a crazy story. >> and i think i heard you say just a second ago, you need fresh faces to enter the party. joe biden launching a new pac today, ben. a lot of people saying that this could be him gearing up, you know, putting in place -- putting things in motion for a 2020 candidacy. would you like to see joe biden lead the democratic party to try and retake the white house in 2020? >> you know, look, we have a bunch of great options, and i think it's great that joe and bernie are out there proving that your 70s are the new 60s. that's hopeful for guys like me in our 40s who don't want to feel like we're getting too old too fast. so, you know, look, i'm not going to say anything about joe at this time. joe's a good man. he's wanted this for a long time and if he wants to get out
there, that's great, and it means that folks will have a harder time saying that bernie's too old if joe's out there. so, i think that's all good. >> you said what you see coming out of washington is just bonkers. you announced yesterday that you are going to be running for governor in maryland. you have never run for office before. why jump into politics now? >> you know, look, my life has been grounded as a community organizer, as a civil rights leader, as somebody who's spent their life living in community, working in community with people on their own terms to figure out the big solutions to help move all of us forward. and i've done that in my state again and again. i've led the effort there to abolish the death penalty and i helped lead the efforts to pass marriage equality and to pass the dream act. and touring across the state, just driving around in my truck with my kids, sitting down with folks at their kitchen tables, what you heard, you know, again and again is, look, we just want to move forward. and this, you know, the
president's tweets and all of this craziness and russia, you know, what can we do right here? and i see an opportunity in maryland right now for us to move forward quickly on the economy, on education, and our kids need us to do just that. so, that's why i've jumped in. i guess, you know, the organizer in me, the leader in me looks at what's happening in washington, looks at how silent our governor is. you know, this republican who on the one hand stood up and said, no, he was not going to vote for trump, but now that trump's in office, he consistently has stayed silent as the trump administration slashes the chesapeake bay restoration plan. he stayed silent, or even worse, tours with betsy devos and says that he's going to shift money from our, you know, from our -- shift money that should have gone to our public schools and use it instead to fund private vouchers. i mean, that's not what the people of maryland want. we want to get back to moving our state forward, and that's why i've decided to run for
governor. >> and people of maryland will have that opportunity to make their decision if they like what larry hogan's doing or not. i've got to ask you about this. >> sure. >> there have been a couple high-profile racist incidents in the last 24 hours, including lebron james' house being vandalized with a racial slur. he spoke out about it and he was very candid. listen to what he said. >> no matter how much money you have, no matter how famous you are, no matter how many people admire you, you know, being black in america is, it's tough. and we've got a long way to go, you know, for us as a society and for us as african-americans until we feel equal. >> you made your career in civil rights. what does it mean to have someone like lebron james say we've got a long way to go? >> well, look, just -- you know, it reminds us of what so many
black athletes have said over the years, but here in maryland, it brings us right back to just a week and a half ago, two weeks ago. we had a young man just commissioned as a second lieutenant in the u.s. army, student at bowie state, two days from graduation, over kh celebrating with his friends at university of maryland college park, stabbed to death by a white student at the university of maryland who was part of a facebook group called alt-reichert and appeared to be motivated by hate, the second incident in recent months with a young white man associated with hate groups stabbing a black man to death. and the reality is that race in our country continues, you know, to be this lightning rod. but for us as black men, to just leave us, frankly, having to fear too much. and what we end up doing is just pushing forward. but when you are raising
children and you have nephews and you have sons as i do living are you at home, you know, every now and then you just look at them and you say, you know, we've got to find a way to do better. and that's what we really need, quite frankly, is we need leaders who are prepared to pull us together across racial lines, to have grown-up conversations about race, and to take the hate in our schools and with our young people seriously. right now we've got a president who enflames that every day. and that's why we need more leaders in our country who are willing to step forward, at least at the local and the state level, and try to turn things in the right direction. and again, that's one of the reasons why i've thrown my hat in the ring and decided to run for governor here. >> ben jealous, thanks for coming in. i appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up for us, he's the russian banker under scrutiny for meeting with the president's son-in-law and top senior visor jared kushner and cnn just asked him about that meeting. the dramatic encounter, coming up. plus, breaking news on the president's big announcement today on whether he will pull the united states out of the
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this just in to cnn about president trump's forthcoming decision, his big announcement on the paris climate agreement, and whether he will be taking the united states out of that deal. the president facing a choice -- fulfill a campaign promise, which is get out of the deal, or -- get out of the deal or stay in the deal and not fulfill a campaign promise and go against all of his base supporters. can he somehow please both? let's find out what the latest of this is. athena jones is at the white
house, because there is some late-breaking, i don't know what we call it, movement on this, athena. what are you hearing? >> reporter: hi, kate. well, this is reporting from my colleague, jim acosta, who spoke with a gop source who says that all indications continue to be that the president is going to pull the u.s. out of the paris climate accord. we've heard that reporting from several sources, and that continues to be the case. but this source says that it's possible that there may be some language that attempts to satisfy ivanka trump, who has been pushing her father to remain in the deal. a lot has been made about the kind of war going on within the white house between the so-called nationalist folks like chief strategist steve bannon and folks like ivanka trump, the more globalist side of the white house. ivanka trump is one of several groups of people who have been pressuring her father to stay in the paris climate accord, along with european leaders, even the pope and a long list of american companies who are urging the u.s. to stay in. what's not clear is what exactly
this means. what would the language potentially say? would it try to strike some sort of middle ground? for instance, potentially staying in the deal but then lowering the emissions targets that the u.s. has committed to? that's one of the things that still remains in question, kate. >> a very big question. now in classic trump fashion raising the suspense even more on that big announcement coming in just a couple hours. athena, thank you very much. i really appreciate it. let's discuss this right now, what this means, what the fallout could be. political and otherwise. ryan lanza was deputy communications director for the trump campaign and symone sanders is a former press secretary for bernie sanders' campaign. guys, great to have you here. we were going to talk about something completely different, but let's talk about this! let's talk about this right now. so, brian, if language is in there to please ivanka, right, to try to kind of thread the needle, if that's what the president is going to do, i mean, you have to assume that
means keeping something of the goals that were set out by the paris climate agreement and what the united states brought to the table. can the president still say he's fulfilling a campaign promise? >> you know, let's remember what that promise was, was to restore american jobs. and so, you're -- >> no, it was to get out of the paris climate agreement. >> well, because there was a threat that it was affecting american business here because they had to abide by standards that the rest of the world wasn't going to abide by. so that's what the bulk of the paris agreement was, and what trump said, what he said throughout the campaign and what the entire narrative of our campaign was we're going to put america first and we're going to put american jobs first. if there is an amendment that can go through this process that highlights that point and that makes it a better business deal for america, why shouldn't we stay in it? but we should analyze all the options that exist. you know, ivanka getting involved, everybody getting involved, that's the process. >> bryan, you think if he stays out the deal, even if they completely blow out all the goals that are in there, which is one of the options because it's voluntary -- if he stays in the deal, can he still say he's fulfilling a campaign promise?
>> i think he can by telling the voters who voted for him, i'm here to create american jobs, and if there's a treatment or an agreement that focuses on that and hits those goals, he can turn to his base and say look what i've accomplished. >> i just don't think donald trump can say anything and all of a sudden that makes it a rubber stamp, and all of a sudden, he has satisfied his campaign promises. look, the fact of the matter here is if we pull out of the paris climate agreement, it will be us, it's comforting to me of we're last i'm not sure anything positive is going to come out of this statement. >> the president could be winning over simone sanders if
he's broadening the deal. can we have it both ways? >> listen. i mean, he's definitely going to be accused of trying to have it both ways, right? >> what he's going to be accused is trying to prioritize american jobs. we hold that with high regard. >> who says we're losing jobs in 500 companies? >> what's that? i missed that. >> but doesn't fortune 500 companies want to stay in the deal? >> i think in the long run we'll see what it looks like that some of the people brought forward at the end and we'll look at what the impacts are. you have a president analyzing data from every side. he's listening to the bannon side. he's listening to the jared/ivanka side. if he sees an opportunity to strengthen something to the benefit of the united states, that is a benefit to the american worker, why shouldn't he exercise that? that's why he's here. >> good communications for trump's end. great to see you, brian. thank you, simone, for being
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welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king. thanks for sharing your day with us. big questions and fresh accusations. a very busy day in politics. democrats democrats accusing jeff sessions of giving false testimony about his contacts with the russian ambassador. they asked the now fired fbi director james comey to investigate these contacts. start with jim sciutto who has the breaking news. exactly what are the democrats saying? >> john, it's a series of three letters. one in march, then in april, then in may all addressed to james comey, well, the first two to james comey, then the final one of course after he was fired. and senators franken and leahy, both members of the judiciary committee asking for the fbi to invest