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welcome inside politics, i'm john king, thanks for sharing your day with us. president trump is on his way to europe for a big economic summit and meetings with the leader of china, russia and more. and gop politicians avoid parades and protests this weekend. the pentagon says that missile tested yesterday by north korea is new and a game changer because of its likely ability to reach the united states. america's top general in south korea warns the prospect of war is real. that as the united states and its allies stage their own missile display in response to pyongyang. the south korean government added this to the message war, a computer animate ed re-creating devastating attack on the north korean capital.
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the north korean leader kim jong-un hardly shy about testing mr. trump's patience. listen to this, he calls this test proof of his icbm powers and his plan to, slap the americans. barbara starr has more on the assessment of this new missile and the options to deal with it. >> reporter: the day after july 4, a very different world for president trump, because it is now just a fact, north korea has an intercontinental ballistic missile that could say with some improvements be able to strike the united states, in particular the western portion of alaska. they would have to make improvements to be able to do it, but there is no question that is the direction they are heading. u.s. officials, defense offic l officials telling us the two
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missiles fired yesterday have ballistic missile capability. this is something they have never heard before. u.s. intelligence now scouring every bit of information it has, radar data, to try to figure out what this missile is all about. if you want to consider how destabilizing even this test might have been. a short time ago, a pentagon spokesman spoke to reporters and said a view of this missile posed a threat when it was launched, civilian aircraft in the region, because it achieved such a high altitude. shipping in the sea of japan. we asked if it was such a threat, why wasn't it shot down. the officials saying it did not pose a threat to the united states at this time. but as north korea continues to
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fire into these busy areas in the asia pacific region, there is growing concern that there could be a very unexpected disaster at some point. no indication the u.s. is planning to conduct u.s. action, but they said yesterday that u.s. missiles also could reach into north korea. >> the shift in south korea is quite dramatic, it's new president selected on a platform of dialogue with the most. david is live for us in seoul. >> reporter: certainly this is a real test for president moon here in south korea. he's been voted in because of promising, maybe a more dialogue ready posture toward north korea, but this really thrashing that to shreds, you see the daily papers here in south korea, business daily here,
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john, which is saying that north korea's icbm provocation really threatens the red line of both south korea and the u.s. here in english language paper. again, big front page headlines showing kim jong-un overseeing that missile zestest. the calculation has always been slightly different here in the u.s., but artillery pieces right near seoul and any conflict could be a massive disaster for this country. so they tend to push, at least with this new administration towards dialogue, but with kim jong-un continuing to provoke, continuing to progress that missile system, very little dialogue will come from the south koreans any time soon. john? >> david kinsey tracking things down in seoul. jill coleman of the associated
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press and matt visor. the g-20 is a big economic meeting, normally they're scheduled to talk about trade, talk about economic issues, almost always something happens. president trump said trade between china and north korea grew almost 40% in the first quarter. there was some sort of personal understanding that china would help with north korea. >> it's not clear whether he's given up or he's trying to pressure or shame china into doing more. he also said we have all these trade deals with countries who aren't helping us and it shouldn't be lost that they're looking at steel tariffs and accusing china of dumping the
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steel. >> his own credibility is being tested because he said early on china will help us solve this problem, or we will do it ourselves. secretary tillerson has an emergency -- any kind of north -- -- global action is required to stop a global threat. any coun it goes on to stay all nations should publicly demonstrate that there are consequences, but if you look at any network that provides economic support. china should do more, but what if it doesn't? >> looking at trump's business career, his past background in his relationships with people were often transactional. they would sign a dotted line and move on. this isn't the case with xi, where he's trying to move him in a direction, develop a
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relationship where you can sort of move somebody in a certain direction. so they don't seem to have that bond or that trust, so what does president trump do. there's talk of diplomacy, do you head in a diplomatic direction. but trump was very critical of the iran deal. and sort of tamping down nuclear threats and does he head down that diplomatic path. >> and china said if we can get north korea to the table. the table for what? kim jong-un has given no indication that he's going to give up his missile program or his nuclear program because he sees that as essential to his survival. is there a framework where you can conceivably at least test
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diplomacy? >> and north korea said that is not on the table at this point. >> their leader just said he was slapping the american bastards in their face, that's rather hard to get to diplomacy. >> one of the reasons that the meeting between president trump and president xi at this conference this week is very important, and worth watching, it was going to be worth watching anyway, because of the tar rivieiffs as the other reas. but china doesn't have the same objectives on north korea. and can president trump get them there, any closer to where the united states is on north korea. we don't know the answer to that question yet we just don't. >> and sometimes china's response is the things that you're asking us to do will you're asking us to be more harsh to us, but if kim jong-un
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thinks his regime is at all in question, what would he do? >> and this president hasn't been tested as to whether he or secretary tillerson is really capability -- and this is just not, we haven't seen that side of trump yet. >> but there's the complicated policy here, and this goes back with whether you agree or disagree with president trump. this goes back several administrations with trying to deal with this regime. or the personal and president trump gets directly confrontational with president xi. now that we have identified that this is was an icbm capable of reaching the united states. if you went back years, they had short range missiles, and u.s. troops in south korea, b.
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if you go back to missile tests, if you kim jong-un, 83 missile tests, 10 or 12 since donald trump became president of the united states. he uses firing missiles a to get attention, but then what, what is he looking for besides people think, okay, he has missiles, okay, he's a nuclear power. what? >> so many of those have failed and you almost have this laughing stock, the ability of the united states to laugh at their failures. in this case, by all accounts this was successful so you wonder how that changes the thinking of north korea. when they know that provocation has some major consequences, not only in the asian region, but to our own country, alaska and potentially sort of depending on how they progress in their capabilities, part of the west
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coast. how does that change their negotiations if they get to negotiations and how does that change president trump's ability to sort of needle a company that now has the capability of really punching back. >> and for years has tried to ignore sanctions and not show any great impact from sanctions, perhaps because there's a backdoor, there's a black market around those sanctions. you have the options president trump has for military actions, you could launch a strike on a missile facility in north korea, but you don't know what the north koreans would do. north korea has an estimated million-man army, there are u.s. troops there, 230,000 americans, including nearly 30,000 servicemen and women. so million people live in seoul. so when people say it's a small regime, the united states is a superpower, there's something that can be done, that's not necessarily the case because of the risks involved. >> the risks are different.
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the united states, they look at any military could escalate into a conflict on the peninsula. for the chinese, they're worried about that border, if there are more economic sanctions, if use disrupt the civil society inside north korea, you could have people surging across that border into china which they don't want. >> they also don't want the regime, they don't want a unified korea. they don't want that. so what does president trump do when he gets off the plane. you mentioned the president of south korea and the prime minister of japan will also be at this meeting, so they can have regional metings. >> i think the pressure is maybe next on if there's a sanctions or if there's a u.n. kind of solution that, you know, involves conversations with china and russia and getting their veto proof power on the security council to convince them to do something, and maybe on sanctions to try and squeeze the north koreans a little bit
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more on this. >> in this -- this is one of the cases where people out there who are fans or not fans of the united nations, this is one of those things there's been meetings, there's been condemnations, there's been sanctions, i covered the white house, we have had these conversations now for a similar long time. >> you also talk about the isolation of north korea, you forget how many nations there are that do have diplomatic relationships with pyongyang. the president just got out of a phone call with the president of egypt, wherein the president reminded the president about -- there is some way to go, there may be some way to go before, as isolates as iran was before the diplomacy meetings there.
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perhaps this is a sign of nikki haley, the u.n. ambassador, spending my fourth in meetings all day. thanks, north korea. there are more on the global challenges ahead, but the fourth of july meets fireworks par rads, and the republican congressmen in hiding. here's a look at the celebrations across the united states. ♪ ♪
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repealing obama care. but let's get some kudoings to senator cruz for understanding, especially on the fourth of july, democracy is supposed to be a little feisty. >> you know, one of the great things about freedom in america is even people who disagree can speak out and there's a small group of people on the left who are very angry and right now they're expressing their feelings. >> more and more republicans are skipping town halls back home because they don't want to face questions and protests. >> he never has town halls, he didn't show up to this, so we decided to take his place. >> they showed up to take place place, that's in diamond, minnesota there. that's a stunt, but stunts are
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allowed in democracy, sometimes you go out and protest, sometimes you say thank you to your congresswoman or senator. why is it, i guess it's obvious that fewer and fewer, they work for the people, why won't they go out and speak to the people, especially when the people are mad at them. >> we have seen these town halls where republicans show up and there's a deluge of hundreds of people standing there screaming at them. you understand why they don't want to stand up and have to take that kind of thing. there's an interesting thing with the timing here, with the vote delayed, you have members that are having to go home and face the people that are actually affected by these policies. >> i would assume, maybe not, but i would at least assume that some of those progressives who don't like ted cruz is doing, who probably don't like anything
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ted cruz has done, do they at least give him some respect? and he says it's a small group on the left, he gets his in there as well. >> what lawmakers say, is why am i going to these events that are full of people who are maybe not in my direct, maybe not even in the state. you hear a lot of that, whether or not it's true. but again, as you said, why not just go? i mean this is democracy and you're seeing, we were talking a little bit during the break, you're seeing senators in particular, doing other things. rob portman's staff's in doubt. i know you saw rob portman hugging people during a parade. but then they mentioned that he was visiting centers where people are dealing with obesity, a round table, they're choosing these smaller events that still allows them to talk to people.
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but they're not necessarily exposing them to these free for alls that town halls have become. >> senate republicans are in an internal family feud about what to do about repealing and replacing obamacare. rob portman one of the more m moderate members don't think there's money in the budget for addiction to opiods. she says she's glad she marched because she right now is a no vote, but she says as she marched and as she listened to her constituents, she believes most of them are with her. >> what i have heard during the entire recess, are people telling me to be strong, that they have a lot of concerns about the health care bill in the senate, they want me to keep working on it but they don't want me to support it in its
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current form. i am still a no unless the bill is dramatically changed. >> so they're home, and she's still a no unless it's dramatically changed. senator cruz says he's still a no. senator cruz is trying to take it to the right. >> i think susan collins watching this, her stomach's turning a little bit. because when people get back to their districts they tend to get caught in their private positions. collins is sort of the exception of marching in a fourth of july parade, senators even avoiding that softball pitch down the middle, going to a parade to march in, because of being afraid of engaging with
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constituents. do we see anything from the time back home that shows the math is shifting in any way at all? >> i have seen no evidence of that, i don't know about you, but at this point, no. >> which is precisely why mitch mcconnell wanted the vote before they went home, because this is going to make it harder for them when they get back. >> particularly harder, particularly dean heller in colorado, nikki haley, they're hearing from not necessarily protesters, but people who are affected by this bill. susan collins had an article. if you look at this bill, it's the worst bill you could possibly have. so they're hearing from people and mitch mcconnell has to be frustrated by this. because he is someone that's known as a deal maker, someone who can get things done but right now the numbers are just not there for them. >> and it matters if you care
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it's a new kind of network. xfinity mobile. welcome back. air force one is over the atlantic this hour as president trump heads to some high stakes meetings in europe. poland first and then the g-20 summit in germany as president trump makes just his second international trip since being president. his first face-to-face meeting with putin and china's president xi jinping. cnn's dick robertson is lives in hamburg. demonstrations will be much closer to the event site than we have become accustomed to in recent years? >> reporter: quite simply,
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angela merkel has chosen to hold this summit in an environment, in a location that can be surrounded by protesters, it's not a village where the whole tundra around is secure. the police had to turn a water cannon on about 1,000 of them, they sort of rained in on them. didn't wash them off the streets. but the essence of the idea here is not forgetting that angela merkel is in a re-election campaign this year, the protesters will be able to get close, so that in part, president trump can hear the voices of dissent here in germany, here in europe, and that voice of dissent, angela merkel's voice of dissent over their disagreements over trade and angela merkel was quoted in a popular political paper here saying that the united states
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sees globalization differently to how we do. we see a win-win situation, the united states sees winners and losers with only some profit in globalizati globalization. so the stakes have been set pretty high and protesters will be able to voice their feelings that perhaps the germany chancellor is too polite. >> they get big crowds, they get praise, so the fact that president trump is stopping in poland first, not necessarily unique, and yet the message could be a little different this time. explain to our videwers. >> reporter: sure. there are numerous tensions we were just talking about with the climate agreement being one of them, the paris climate accord, but when he goes to poland, there will be great support for him not only because he's
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strengthened troops but it is a politically right power that's come to power because of right politics. poland has frustrations and disputes with europe at the moment on migration issues and on trade issues. so when president trump comes to the rest of the european leaders, if you will, the other european leaders, the old europe if you will, what is the message that he will have given to the eastern europeans, the ne europeans. it's a new european as opposed to an old european message. so people will be listening between the lines to what he says in warsaw. >> as we say in the united states, it's also true everywhere in the world, all politics is local.
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you have angela merkel in the middle of a re-election campaign, poking trump again publicly, right before the american president gets there. trade probably not an issue that's sexy to people watching around the country, especially global trade, maybe you care about in your neighborhood. but it is remarkable that this is his second trip, he lectured the nato leadership and they fell in line. the leader of the european leaders, publicly stepping out repeatedly to make clear she's at odds with this guy. >> she does have an election coming up. but this isn't someone president trump had nice things to say during the campaign and was very critical of her position on refugees, which has at times a political liability for her in germany, frankly. that said, they didn't really start from a good place and they haven't really gotten much closer despite what president
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trump has said since they've met. >> and you mentioned the transactional nature of this president. he does meet with president xi, north korea and trade will be the big issues there. will meet again with prime minister may. we always look at early administrations, every administration starts with personal bonds with leaders and then starts to build from there. what is the challenge for this president on this trip for him, does he care? does he care that teresa may, like angela merkel doesn't like the travel ban, pokes him on immigration? >> certainly not. this is also an administration that has spent a lot of time trying to build these personal relationsh relationships. they host it seems like a global leader a week at the white house, he's taken them down to mar-a-lago to kind of wine and dine them and bring them in.
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but the fact is that he fundamentally disagrees on so many issues with these various european leaders and you can just agree on the issues, it doesn't matter what you say about each other. >> having european leaderin ins sort of good for his base, sort of the nationalist wing of his base. >> the america first, pro brexit trump voter without a doubt. >> the other thing here is at the g-20, you have a different set of leaders and you do for nato, as he does with his first european trip. he has a more global aspect to his meeting, so he may turn to others that he may have more alliances with with the nato allies, but still, there's not a world leader on the stage that you can really point to as being chummy with president trump. >> prime minister abe might -- >> might be the closest.
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>> he the big meeting is going to be because of the stakes, what will happen with the ukraine issue, the sanctions debate in the united states. not only about ukraine, but about election meddling. let's take a little bit of time with president trump even before he was president talking about vladimir putin. >> i was in moscow recently. and i spoke indirectly and directly with president putin, who could not have been nicer. i never met him, this is not my best friend. if he says great things about me, i'm going to say great things about him. they say donald trump loves putin. i don't love, i don't hate. we'll see how it works. >> putin is a killer. >> we got a lot of killers. what, you think your country is so innocent? >> that line, in the interview
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with bill o'reilly, where he essentially morally accused the united states to corruption in russia, that angered a lot of republicans, especially republican hawks. will he tell mr. putin, don't do it again, stop doing it. what you did was reprehensible, set aside the other things, the russia election meddling. the president doesn't like to talk about that. >> he has not sort of talked about the idea of russian meddling so he's not prepared for this meeting in a way that he would confront vladimir putin on that. i think it is striking that we know very little about the actual relation between these two right now, another point that president trump made during the campaign was about "60 minutes" and how they had both been on "60 minutes" so they're
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old friends. he was interviewed in new york and putin was interviewed in moscow. >> but it's still the most consequential one to one relationship in all the world. issues on which you open to cooperate, syria, and yet it's a giant yes mark. >> and it's one that i feel like the last couple american leaders have gone into full of optimism, or at least projected optimism and were very disappointed once meeting with vladimir putin and having to work with him. but some of the nice talk that president trump has made about president putin, if that holds after this meeting, yes, they're both skilled negotiators in their own rite.
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but vladimir putin has been on this world stage for a very long time compared to president trump. >> and trump will be judged by how this meeting goes. >> and how this meeting looks. we don't even know whether these two men have met in the past. donald trump has said he has, and then he said he hasn't meet with putin face-to-face. that they plan to make this a full on meeting, rather than just a pull aside at the g-20. i think there will be a lot of obsession between the power dynamics. >> it will be the longest hand shake ever. both of them crushing each other's hands, trying to show who's stronger. >> it's up to the president, what he wants to talk about. you ask what to expect, you ask people at the white house what to expect and they really don't know. >> and the russians today saying in their advance messaging, spinning, even though it's a full bilat, not a pull aside,
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but they don't think they'll have much time to talk about ukraine. up next, behind the curtains of this trump-putin meet. every last detail is planned and negotiated your insurance company
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frank dialogue. i wouldn't have invited him to my ranch if i didn't trust him. >> the first meeting at that point was when putin had switched jobs and was prime minister. as president trump prepares for this week's first putin bilateral. tony, appreciate you being here to help us with this. before we get into some of the substance of how this works, take us behind the curtain, it might seem trivial to people, first it was a pull aside, now it's a bilateral. how many staff members get to be in the room, how many reporters get to be in the room. >> everything usually to the last detail is negotiated in advance. are they sitting? are they standing? how many people on each side? does the press come in?
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will they take questions? every little detail is negotiated in advance. sometimes if it's something that happens a little closer to the event itself, you might have it sort of negotiated on the phone between national security advisors or their deputies. but the bottom line is, usually every little piece of this is choreographed in the advance. >> so when this white house says there's no formal agenda, do you buy that? >> it's -- it would be surprising. because leaving aside the choreography, the substance is also usually discussed in great detail at events. and often, especially a meeting as significant as the one between president trump and president putin, there's so much on the agenda, and you need to work through it, both internally, that is that you got to get your ducks in a row. make sure you get all the members of the administration at the same table, going through all the issues that are at
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stake. then you have to have some kind of discussion or negotiations in advance of the meeting. hopefully the president, if you're trying to reach an agreement on something, will be the ones who close it. >> does it matter that vladimir putin has so much experience at this. i remember when vladimir putin when boris yeltsin was president. >> president putin is a master, at running these meetings, at trying to get what he wants out of the person sitting next to him. and given that this is apparently a first meeting, to some extent, i would expect him to try to be on the defense. each is trying to take a measure of the other. they're also trying to build a relationship. and putin, presumably will try to be, to the extent that he can be, charming and try to build a relationship. maybe there won't be much
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substance, which would be a missed opportunity. but this first instance is both of them taking a measure of each other. >> colin powell tell this is great story when he was national security advisor for ronald reagan, of reagan looking at goat -- take us inside some bilateral surprises. >> the object is ideally not to have a surprise. so if you go back to some of the most important bilateral meetings, for example in the obama administration, the leadup to the paris climate agreement, the key thing was trying to get the chinese on board. this culminated in a meeting between president obama and president xi jinping at the white house. but before that there were four months of incredibly close negotiations between the united states and china.
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and that led to bringing china on board for paris and the climate agreement. but it took a good four months before the presidents could look in a deal. similarly, the presidents brought a deal together on how china was handling it's own cyber intelligence. they were trying to steal trade secrets and get a commercial advantage. we made it very clear that we were intending to sanction them. finally the presidents met and we got a very significant agreement with china on sort of cyber ethics that made a big difference. there's been some negative surprises too. a lot of the presidents' meetings for example with president erdogan of turkey, especially the last couple of years were contemptuous as we had some issues that were really separating us. and there you were just trying to keep things calm and trying to get to the next place and keep the turks on board, for
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example, in their meetings, the turks are very concerned about the relationships we developed on the ground in syria with a kurdish militia that was helping us take the fight to the islamic state. president obama had to personally work through those problems with president erdogan. on the other side of that meeting, get your perspective on how it went. next the senator's honest answer about 2020, raising some eyebrows. (vo) a lifetime of your dog's nutritional needs... all in one. purina one. healthy energy, all in one. strong muscles, all in one. highly digestible, and a taste he loves, all in one. purina one smartblend is expertly blended... with 100% nutrition, 0% fillers, always real meat #1. lifelong smart nutrition. it's all in one. purina one.
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. here's the question, we report, you decide. just plain honesty or calculated honesty. the ax files giving what some would call a revealing answer
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about his political ambitionings or what others would say a clever disgisz for his 2020 intentions. >> i don't know what the future is going to bring, i'm not making predictions, but i want to unleash the fullness of where i am right now and i want to call out injustice, i think politicians make a terrible mistake if they're thinking about their apicture rations, if i start thinking about a future like that or engaging in that stuff, i think it would make me lesser of a senator. >> it's a very careful way of saying i focus on being a senator right now. i have said this before, no one writes a book for their health who are in a position that cory booker is in. so i would go with that b, politically calculated. >> b? do you agree? >> every time a politician says
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something like that, they're not talking off their head, they think a lot about this and this is a calculated statement. >> he may by saying i like being a senator, but i dream in the shower on the way to work and on the senator floor that i want to be president. he can't say that. >> it was a longer winded -- we have tried multiple times with elizabeth warren with a similar question. and he gave a longer answer than she does. she tends to just ignore it all together. >> he says in the same interview, i'm a guy who's going to criticize policies frankly in a lot of states that are reporting for presidential elections call a threat. i would agree with david axelrod that his viewings out there may not win you some of the big presidential battlegrounds. but that's only one way to find out. >> this is also a major question for democrats right now. there's starting to be a
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realization that trump is very vulnerable, but there's nobody on that horizon that could replace president trump. >> they've got some made for tv interviews on that trip. >> all politics is local. thank you for joining us on inside politics, see you back here tomorrow, same bad time, same bad channel. mark berman in the chair after a quick break.
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hello, everyone. i'm john berman in new york. wolf blitzer is off today. a north korean missile launch has raised the stakings for a possible nuclear crisis. in a cnn exclusive, u.s. officials say the two-stage missile launched by north korea is a brand new weapon that has not been seen before. barbara starr joins me now. what have you learned? >> reporter: what u.s. officials are telling me is they have not seen this missile before. when they initially looked at it after the launch, they thought it was a missile they were familiar with, something called the kn-17 liquid fuel, but after looking at all the data, all the intelligence, they found that it was a two-stage


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