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most shocking takeaway is more pointed remarks toward a cable news network, this one, more pointed remarks toward barack obama, a president of the united states, than he had for the north korean regime, kim jong-un regime, who is testing nuclear weapons, perfecting an icbm, who is a threat to the entire world. >> on that front, he said, "i don't know, we'll see what happens. i don't draw red lines. we'll see what happens over the coming weeks and months." as you know, he has lambasted strategic patience from the united states, the position of previous administrations saying it didn't work. he's lambasted that, now saying he will see what happens over the coming weeks and months which sounds a lot like strategic patience. >> this is rather remarkable. for those of you just joining us this is "early start." it is 5:00 a.m. eastern time. we are just coming out of live remarks from president trump and president duda of poland. live in warsaw. let's bring in cnn political
analyst julian zellezer, historian and professor at princeton university. good morning to you, sir. >> good morning. >> your reaction? some astounding remarks from the president of the united states. >> it was pretty remarkable. obviously there are elements of this that will become news stories. the way he discussed the russian intervention into the election focusing more on president obama. again, not willing to totally confront what took -- what happened during the election. it will be upsetting to many. in some ways, this was the opportunity for him to finally respond to a lot of the criticism that's emerged. and obviously standing there with a government leader that has undertaken crackdowns against the media, and to speak about the media that way is also
very unsettling. this was an opportunity for the president to forcefully come out against critics but took on the standard criticism of the administration. >> stick with us. i want to go to the room where our jeff zeleny was listening to the exchange, the press conference, the first in a month. jeff, talk to us a little bit about the headlines here from the q&a in particular. you know -- an attack on the media, an attack on the prior administration. much less energy and enthusiasm about either north korea or the russians. >> reporter: no question, christine. still very strong words from this president on the idea of meddling in the 2016 election. strong words were for president obama, not for the russian president. they were not for vladimir
putin. the president said "i think it was russia but it also could have been other countries." again, he's repeating the line that he's talked about for a long time. that he simply does not agree with the u.s. intelligence agency that's have said without question there was russian meddling in the 2016 election. the difference here, i think, is this. this is on the eve of the president's first meeting with russian president vladimir putin. this is happening tomorrow in germany here. so the followup would have been does the president plan to raise russian meddling with president putin. i think the answer is not the case. he took particular aim at the intelligence agencies. he said that only three or four intelligence agencies, u.s. intelligence agencies, agreed with that. that simply is not true. we have seen in congressional hr hearings one after another where all the leaders of the u.s.
intelligence agencies have said down the line that they do believe that it is well documented that russia meddled, interfeared in the 2016 -- interfered in the 2016 election. the president pivoted abruptly and said that barack obama knew about this. he said he simply did not say anything to try and protect the democrats, of course, to hold on to the white house. i think that is the big headline. strong words from president of north korea, as well. he said there would be strong consequences for bad behavior here. no specifics of what that would be, of course. on the eve of the first meeting with the russian president, striking to hear the president not agreeing with his own u.s. intelligence agencies, republicans and democrats alike in the u.s. congress. >> yeah, and jeff, dave here. for those keeping score at home, there was no mention of kim jong-un. no mention of vladimir putin.
there was mention of cnn and barack obama. interesting optics there to say the least. let's talk about the setup for that meeting with the russian president. he seemed to be antagonizes him somewhat with this sale of patriot missiles, with the purchase of natural gas to wean them off of oil but not acknowledging that russia was behind meddling in our election. what do you make of that? >> reporter: it is interesting, and there's no question at all, the president did mention in his opening statement the worry about the aggression in this region from russia. that is one of the topics the two leaders talked about in their private meeting. again, so striking to not hear something that is essentially agreed upon. it is essentially stipulated to the fact that russia interfered in the 2016 election. this president has been
unwilling to agree to that. some of his supporters say one of the reasons is he does not want to make his own victory, you know, sort of weaker or watered down in any of this. there are so many conducting investigations on capitol hill who simply wish he would agree to that. again, on the eve of that meeting with the russian president, so important here. we'll be leaving momentarily and going to a public square here in warsaw. and president trump is going to be giving his speech to the biggest crowd he's ever talked to. certainly outside the u.s. watch for his language there on russia, as well. that is something to keep an eye on here. the headline, he did not agree, like the u.s. intelligences have, that russia interfered in the election. >> all right. jeff zeleny in the room for that press conference. thank you very much. i know you have to move on to
the next location where you're covering the president's trip. also with us, we have julian zelezer, political contributor and historian. we have sarah murray, also in warsaw, and nic robertson, as well, to help us analyze this a little bit. sarah murray, the takeaway? you listened to the president's remarks. this is the first stop on his trip, an attack against the media, again, an attack against the prior administration. you know, it started when -- when the remarks started, it sounded like he was going to be talking about -- he acknowledged russia's actions in destabilizing behavior. in prepared remarks, he acknowledged that. in the q&a, he was less robust in his criticism. >> reporter: that's right. president trump is going to be in a day of meetings today with eastern european officials. they're bringing sort of a different context of russia than the president is getting when he hears from western europeans, leaders, or when he hears from concerns from the united states. he's hearing concerns from eastern european leaders about
russian threats to the balkans and ukraine. that's what he was referring to when he talked about destable says behavior. this was -- destabilizing behavior. this was another reminder that president trump is not the kind of president we are used to seeing. we are used to seeing american presidents travel on the world stage to out to american values, to try to sort of send that image abroad. what president trump did was question the assessment of the -- his own u.s. intelligence community. he tried to undermine the free press at a time when poland is also cracking down on it and cracking down on the free press. and he suggested that maybe other countries were behind the meddling in the 2016 election. remember, whether president trump is likely to admit or embrace it or not, 17 u.s. intelligence agencies did agree with high confidence that russia meddled in the u.s. election. and there is no conclusion from intelligence officials so far that there was any other country responsible for this or behind this. i think what that moment sheds
light on is the fact that this is still a president who sort of looks at foreign espionage broadly in this same light as he looks at russia's election meddling. that is something that has even members of his own party very concerned. even members of his own administration very concerned back in the united states. >> yeah. sure seemed like more pointed remarks toward this network and toward his predecessor than there were toward vladimir putin or toward the kim jong-un regime who recently launched and is perfecting an icbm. nic robertson, let's get to you on this. it seems the president is speaking to a united states audience. his advisers might remind him he is speaking to the globe. how are those types of remarks likely to be met by world leaders as he heads to the g-20? >> reporter: you know, i think president trump has said so much to his domg audience that the -- his domestic audience that the world leaders have pretty much formed their own conclusion about what sort of leader he is
and which directions he's going in. certainly that's the view of the europeans. they need to be more united. they need to take the sort of -- the moral compass of the world on climate change, on free trade, on prosperity, a win-win situation, globalization helps not only ceos but helps the worker on -- on the factory floor. there's a real sense that there's a difference of opinion. i don't think anything that president trump said today is going to change that. that view is pretty clear. what this does leave us open to here clearly is that meeting with putin. we've talked earlier about how putin likes to sort of exploit and destabilize his opponents in any discussion, taking a labrador dog into a meeting with angela merkel because he knew she didn't like dogs. what is he going to take out of that to exploit, further fuel president trump's clear dilemma in his own mind about who was responsible and about which intelligence agency has that
assessment? what is it president trump will say to him that will exacerbate and perhaps, you know, give the president more things to think about that can undermine the central beliefs of 17 of the u.s.' intelligence agencies about his, putin's role, in the u.s. elections. so there's some of that i think that's going to be picked up by putin. speaking of poland's patriot missiles, obviously president putin will be angry about that when he meets with president trump. that's before they discuss the substantive issues of syria and, crane. the scene is set here -- and ukraine. the scene is set here pretty much as it was set before coming out of the back of president trump's press conference there. the world leaders here are no stranger to the -- to what president trump has to say about cnn or any other news organizations. certainly that's something they commented to us in the media
about when they see us. >> absolutely. i want to listen, guys, i want all of you to listen to this. i want your thoughts on the other end. we glimpsed what the president is thinking about the north korean threat. a threat that is dangerous, at a new stage here with its icbm missile launch this week. listen to what he said about how he doesn't draw red lines. as far as north korea's concerned, i don't know. we'll see what happens. i don't like to talk about what i have planned. i have pretty severe things that we're thinking about. that doesn't mean we're going to do them. i don't draw red lines. president obama drew a red line, and i was the one that made it look a little bit better than it was. that could have been done a lot sooner. and you wouldn't have had the same situation that you have now in syria. that was a big mistake. >> so the president sort of pivoting from north korea to syria and blaming president barack obama. what did we glean from the american position on north korea
or the american negotiating position on north korea from what the president said there? >> reporter: we know he wants to get support to the resolution at the u.n. security council for further sanctions on north korea. we know that china and russia are opposed. to that point, president putin had an article published in the newspaper that says he doesn't believe that sanctions work. of course, he is under tough sanctions from the united states, from the european union, from others, for annexing crimea and putting his troops inside ukraine. so there's that part of president putin's message. when it comes to xi jinping and north korea, president trump's relationship with the leader is on the slide, selling $1.4 billion worth of weapons system to taiwan, that's angered chinese and others. how will he win the chinese leader over to getting his commitment on stronger north korean sanctions?
that's probably a bridge too far. most experts would probably -- would probably make that assessment. the best he perhaps can hope for is to avoid a chinese and russian veto. the u.n. security council. i think just think that the president's -- what the president needs to try to achieve here is a very, very big lift. he is absolutely sailing into the wind on this one. he didn't lay the groundwork for it with anything that he just said in that press conference, possibly made it harder. >> certainly russia was listening to all these words. julian zelezer, including the purchasing of patriot missiles, the purchasing of natural gas to wean them off of russian oil. the fact that the president won't acknowledge that russia was solely behind the internetference in -- interference in our election. and this, the pointed remarks christine talked about in the prepared part of the statement toward russia about their destabilizing behavior. listen.
>> we're working with poland with actions against russia's actions and destabilizing behavior. we're happy for the example poland has set for every member of the nato alliance by being one of the few nations that actually meets its financial obligations. >> julian, how does this underline change the dynamic with the meeting with putin tomorrow? >> well, obviously in some ways, the president took a tougher stand with russia than we've seen before including the sale of the patriots simply being here for start of his trip. on the other hand, the conference veered toward the more traditional rhetoric where he backed away from some of the equally important criticism naes of what the russians --
criticism that's necessary of what the russians did. it reminded me of 1987 when reagan, in the middle of negotiations with the soviets, went to germany and said "tear down this wall," as a tough message to the soviets. even while negotiating that the u.s. would preserve and maintain american values and institutions. and i think that's what the president needs to stick to, both in his upcoming speech and over the course of the next few days if he is going to compel russia and the chinese to help in both the war against terrorism and this battle against north korea. >> sarah, julian. thank you. sarah, it's interesting what julian says about -- we played the sound bite, seemed to be a stronger stance, acknowledging destabilizing behavior from the russians, at least from the european -- eastern european point of view. and then -- then he had this to say about russian meddling in the q&a.
listen -- >> will you once and for all, yes or no, definitively say that russia interfearred in the 2016 election? >> i think it was russia, and i think it could have been other people in other countries. could have been a lot of people interfered. i've said it -- said it simply. i think it could very well have been russia. i think it could well have been other countries. and i won't be specific. but i think a lot of people interfere. >> sarah, he went on to blame the president of the united states for knowing about it and not doing anything about it which is sort of familiar -- a familiar territory for him to turn around and -- and hit barack obama, the former president of the united states. it seemed almost as if it were a domestic audience that he was speaking to. his supporters, not necessarily a speech on the world stage. >> reporter: right. i think this gets to two separate things. i mean, the first is that, you know, we've been reporting that president trump just will not sort of buy into the fact that
russia was behind that. that what russia did is different from other countries when it comes to foreign espionage. and that there are officials in his own administration who are concerned and frustrated that they cannot get the president to pay attention, to understand the fact that what russia did was serious. so that's one part of it. the president sort of seized these questions as -- as efforts to undermine his legitimacy as president, as efforts to undermine his victory which i think is why you see him taking shots at former president barack obama. the second part is talk about sending mixed signals to american allies. on the one hand, they're talking about destabilizing behavior and talking about doing gas deals with poland. these are all, of course, shots at russia. tougher talk with russia. we have allies like germany and france that have seen an attempt to meddle in the election. the president saying he doesn't necessarily buy that russia was the one responsible for this or that it is that serious of an
offense. and that is the kind of thing that could put other allies on edge when they say, okay, we're not going to have a united front when it comes to confronting russia about trying to destabilize the democracies. >> sarah murray, nic robertson, julian zelezer, thank you all. we'll continue to break down astounding marks from the president of the united states along -- astounding remarks from the president of the united states alongside the president of poland. ♪my darlin' ♪i've hungered for your touch papa, hola! ♪i've hungered for your touch no, no no, no no no! ♪i'll be coming home, wait for me♪
back to warsaw. the president of the united states speaking at a meeting after his press conference with the polish president. >> our stock market hit an all-time high. we have, i think, in 16 years, the lowest unemployment rate our military is getting stronger and stronger. we're rebuilding it, adding billions and billions of new equipment. the best equipment in the world. we make the best equipment in the world by far. we're heading many billions of dollars of brand-new equipment. the united states is doing very
well, very strong. we've taken off restrictions, and people are really moving hard. so when i say that the stock market is at an all-time high, we've picked up in market value almost $4 trillion since november 8th, the election. $4 trillion. a lot of money. personally, picked up nothing, but that's all right. everyone else is getting rich. that's okay. i'm very happy. greater access to energy markets, fewer barriers to energy trade and development, and strengthening energy security is what we're looking to do. the three cs initiatives has the potential to accomplish all of these essential objectives. and very quickly because you have incredible people, and they will get it done quickly. i congratulate your nations for already beginning the critical projects that open us up to greater access. and you'll be totally open and have access to energy markets and remove barriers to energy
trade such as floating l&g terminal on the croatian island of kurk? >> i can't spell it. >> i bet you know it. and the greece/bulgaria interconnector. these projects and many others are crucial to ensuring that you continue to ratify energy results. bulgaria, romania, austria, i commend them for pursuing a pipeline from the black sea. we approved a pipeline also, the keystone pipeline. it was under consideration for many, many years, and it was dead, and i approved it in my first day of office. it's now under construction. another pipeline besides that, big ones, dakota access. the united states is proud to see that our abundant energy resources are already helping the three cs nations achieve
much-needed energy diversification. in fact, i want to take this opportunity to congratulate the government and people of poland for receiving their first shipment of u.s. liquefied natural gas last month. you made a very good deal, i understand. let me be clear about one crucial point -- the united states will never use energy to coerce your nations, and we can not allow others to do so. you don't want to have a monopoly or monopolistic situation. the united states is firmly committed to open, fair and competitive markets for global energy trade. america will be a faithful and dependable partner in the export and sale of our high-quality and low-cost energy resources and technolo technology. we make the best technology, and we make the best, best technology for fighter jets and ships and equipment, military
weapons. there's nobody even close. and that's acknowledged. all over the world, they talk about the greatness of our military equipment. nobody comes close. when you buy and as you buy military equipment, hopefully you'll be thinking only of the united states. with the expanded trade and new infrastructure, we will unleash incredible energy innovation that is safe, responsible, and environmentally friendly. the united states supports a common sense approach to protecting natural resources. one that responsibly balances economic growth, job creation, and energy security. we invite all countries to work with us to achieve this objective and to develop innovative technologies that empower nations around the world to be faithful stewards of their natural resources while lifting millions out of poverty and into great and beautiful futures. the three cs initiative will not only empower your people to prosper but will ensure that
your nations remain sovereign, security, and free -- sovereign, secure, and free from foreign corporation. the three cs nations will stand stronger than they ever have stood before. when your nations are strong, all the free nations of europe are stronger. the west becomes stronger, as well. together, our nation and yours can bring greater peace, prosperity, and safety to all of our people. this summit ushers in the next great energy frontier. this is largely about energy because we are that great exporter. we've just become -- it's what's going on in our country is incredible. i hope you take advantage of it by using these resources. i'm thrilled to join you today, and i want everyone to know that the united states supports your bold efforts. these projects will improve countless lives across the region and throughout the world. america will be your strongest
ally and steadfast partner in this truly historic initiative. so congratulations to everybody, and we stand ready, willing, and able to help with your energy needs and other needs as they come along. thank you very much. >> translator: thank you very much, excellency, mr. president. >> translator: ladies and gentlemen, distinguished presidents, thank you very much, mr. president trump, for showing us this perspective of cooperation. thank you for that because i'm pleased that you understand, mr. president, the importance of this region in which the three seas initiative was born and exists. and this is one-third of the european union properties. it encompasses the 12 countries of central europe.
112 million citizens living altogether in our countries. ladies and gentlemen, the gdp amounts to more than $1.5 trillion. and if we measure this cumulative gdp -- >> listening to the polish president speaking at the three seas project, a joint coalition project launched last year. the point is to strengthen trade, infrastructure, energy, and local cooperation in these countries boarding the adriatic. that's what they're there to talk about. the president of the united states talking about success in the american stock market, about low unemployment rate, touting some of the hopes to embolden the u.s. military and the like. basically giving a progress report on the american economy and military. >> and next he will speak in front of what's believed to be the largest audience he has addressed since taking over as commander in chief.
he will speak in a speech -- let's get to sarah murray -- about the remarks we expect to hear, warning of a common enemy. sarah murray is back with us. the steady creep of government bureaucracy that drains the vitality and the wealth of the people. sarah, what else do we expect to hear when the president addresses that large audience? >> reporter: well, they are anticipating this will be a warm welcome there. in fact, you know, offering free bussing from people in other parts of poland who want to come and see this speech in order to give president trump these kind of crowds that he thrives on. this will be an opportunity to affirm the important alliance with poland. the polish president is more conservative, more aligned with president trump's world view than perhaps he was with president obama. so we're also going to hear president trump i think talk about immigration, a little about protecting our borders. that will certainly be a welcome comment in the eyes of the polish president. but it's hard to imagine him
saying anything in this sort of warm and fuzzy speech that is going to overshadow the comments that he made in this joint press conference. i mean, he had so much to say in terms of the threat from north korea, in terms of calling russia destabilizing. on one hand, calling them out for their behavior, and then in almost the next beat questioning whether russia alone was behind the meddling into the u.s. election and sort of questioning how serious of an offense that is and whether that's just the same thing that all countries do. now intel experts would disagree that russia's meddling in the u.s. election is the same as sort of your run-of-the-mill, day-by-day foreign iespionage. it was a remarkable set of comments from president trump this morning. >> julian zelezer with us, presidential historian, as well. julian, there are mannerisms that the president has that are unusual in a commander in chief, in the leader of the free world. he likes to refer to himself.
he made a reference to how much money he made nbc and grumbled a bit -- >> about not making money on the stock market. >> yeah. not making money in the stock market and the like. he -- his first answer, he was asked about north korea and asked about the whole wrestling video thing with cnn. he went on a -- a tirade against cnn, attack on the press, in general, cnn in particular. and had -- had less to say really about north korea. what do you make about the president and how he is performing on the world stage? >> look, some of the mannerisms are debilitating to diplomacy. i think this is something that's come up already in diplomacy, there's a certain amount of decorum and structure that's expected. it's often necessary to achieve deals. i think it's important if he wants to be effective to contain this. there's also a tension between the politics back in the u.s.
where these kind of statements and arguments are very appealing to his base and the necessities that he now has as he goes to the g-20. i don't think when you have a group of leaders in the room, the kind of remarks he made at the press conference or the kind of comments he's often famous for work very well. other leaders want trust. they want some degree of stability, and they want to see a president who has a pretty clear roadmap of what he wants to achieve. that's how you enter into negotiations in a strong position. >> all right. for those of you just joining us, this is "early start." 5:31 a.m. eastern time. 11:31 in poland. sara murray is continuing to respond to rather remarkable comments from the president of the united states alongside president duda who, sara, clearly is a partner, ally of the president. who is that person once the
president travels on to the g-20? who is that person that shares his interest, his goals, and that ally? >> reporter: that's a great question. theoretically as the president heads to germany this evening, heading to the g-20, he should be surrounded by a number of u.s. allies. the way president trump has sort of conducted diplomacy has left some people on edge. and i think we saw that after his last overseas trip. we've seen that in terms of him pulling out of the paris climate agreement. we've seen that in terms of sort of the level of shade that german chancellor merkel has been throwing in trump's direction. now, she has her own reasons to do that for her own political race in germany. but there's no question that the way president trump is approaching his role and america's role has left allies on edge. it will be interesting to see not just in his comment later today in poland but as he goes
ahead to the g-20 how he talks about the al lineses. how -- alignses. he got criticism for not talking about the mutual defense provision under nato. the notion that if one country is attacked, that everyone is attacked and would respond. he later affirmed that on u.s. soil. it's the kind of thing that america's allies would like to hear explicitly from the president abroad. and this is just talking about how president trump is going to navigate u.s. allies. that is all before he reaches this highly anticipated meeting with russian president vladimir putin. aides say the president is preparing, they believe he's taking their advice. there's always a bit of wariness. president trump tends to go off script. he tends to sort of make his agendas on the fly. that is not how putin approaches meetings with foreign leaders. he's meticulous in his
preparation. >> i want to listen here and get nick and julian to weigh in on the other side. you know, we talked about north korea. this is going to be a very important topic of conversation at this g-20, what to do about the north korean nuclear threat. there's a suite of options, and those are being presented to this president. and the president said he's got some very severe things he's considering, but he will not draw a red line. listen to what he said. >> as far as north korea's concerned, i don't know. we'll see what happens. i don't like to talk about what i have planned. i have some pretty severe things that we're thinking about. that doesn't mean we're going to do them. i don't draw red lines. president obama drew a red line, and i was the one that made it look a little bit better than it was. that could have been done a lot sooner. and you wouldn't have had the same situation that you have in syria. that was a big mistake. >> what do you make of the president's position, and the diplomacy he's going to have to do specifically with the russians and the chinese on whatever the response is going to be to north korea?
>> reporter: sure. what he wants to get out of both leefrds is to get support -- leaders is to get support for the united states resolution at the u.n. security council to strengthen ties. both sides opposed, putin writing that sanctions don't work. he perhaps that means in reference to sanctions put on him and russia over the annexation of crimea and of -- involvement in eastern ukraine. but to the point of china, i think the chinese were coming here expecting given recent tweets by president trump and his tone that there would be some kind of quotas or controls put on what president trump has called their dumping of steel on the global steel market. he believes and others believe, as well, it's dragging down the price of steel and impacting other countries, not just the united states. and to a degree, he may get a level of support here. i think the chinese were coming here expecting something like that.
having heard from nicky hail at the security council laying out -- nikki haley at the u.n. security council laying out the increased sanctions is the way they'll go, countries not working with the united states may have to pay a price. she said before she said that last night that she has spoken extensively with president trump about the way forward and the position to be taken on this. i think there is perhaps here an increased expectation now that what president trump is talking about, this unspecified action, could be restrictions on quotas, on trade with china, over steel. not entirely unexpected. it seems to have come up the agenda. that said, do you really change president xi's mind to get his support at the u.n. security council, at least avoid his veto, by threatening him with something else. that is a great dilemma in diplomacy. do you try to blow a high wind and freeze someone or use honey
rather than vinegar, try to put the sun out and warm them to your position? the threat over steel, this is going to be the dilemma that president trump faces right now. >> it will. >> how are pointed tweets toward president xi likely to hit there where they don't deal well with 140-character diplomacy. julian zelezer, when it comes to russia, when it comes to -- one consistent foreign policy historically -- >> well, it is possible to shift around. the example of ronald reagan, you had a president who spent much of his career and presidency attacking the soviet union, focusing on it as an evil empire. and dwret same time, he did -- and yet at the same time, he did shift and achieve an historic arms accord. it is possible to be inconsistent -- >> i'm sorry to interrupt. i'm talking about being
inconsistent in the same five minutes. not in the same term. i mean, this was wildly wavering in the same speech. >> no, no, absolutely. in that case, there was a roadmap. there was some kind of vision of what you wanted to achieve. that's not clear with president trump. >> right. >> here you have inconsistency within a speech, within a press conference, and within meetings. and i do think that undercuts the effectiveness of a president because other countries quickly sense weakness. >> although it might be an advantage potentially with the vladimir putin meeting because how do you predict what -- what the donald trump demeanor will be and what the donald trump -- what donald trump will say? i want to add context here. you heard the president talk a lot, sara murray, about liquefied natural gas and how he lifted regulations and now we're going to be able to be a big exporter of natural gas. we haven't had the terminals built in this country to do it. we started building them last year. it used to be just a pipeline to mexico to get that to export.
there will be more terminals built over the next few years. those plans have been underway really for some time given the market forces, sara murray, going on in -- in natural gas. it's interesting that that's going -- that's a deliverable with the polish president, this delivery of natural gas. even as home he's touting coal and coal energy. >> reporter: yeah, it is an interesting difference. certainly this is the difference in president trump speaking to a domestic audience versus a foreign audience. when you talk about doing a gas deal like that with poland, that is a finger in the eye to russia. that's what we're talking about when we're talking about some of the sort of tougher lines he had aimed at russia and their destabilizing forces in this part of the world. that's a way we can help u.s. allies abroad in the eyes of president trump and take a harder line with russia. but that's certainly not the message that you hear him talking about at home. you certainly hear him talking about america being energy independent. but you hear him talk much more
about the revival of the coal industry rather than renewable fuels. that's a difference in, again, a difference in audience. he's speaking to his base. he spoke to them throughout the campaign. he has a base of people who want to believe that this is a president who can bring the coal mining industry back even though, as you pointed out, part of the reason we're seeing the resurgence -- the surge in gas and in gas exports is because of the market forces that are at play here. so how that will work for him when it comes to his re-election, we'll see. we'll see if the domestic audience is disappointed by the games he makes on the energy -- gains he makes on the energy front even as he pleases an international audience. >> a lot more on this day ahead. we're glad to have you with us to talk about it as it happens. sara murray, nic robertson, julian zelezer, thank you all. the president warned of pretty severe things when it comes to north korea. ahead on this show, colonel cedric leighton joins us to break down what the severe consequences could be to the
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president trump moments ago saying he won't draw red lines on syria and will wait to see what happens on dealing with pyongyang's nuclear program. it came a day after the u.s. ambassador to the united nations, nikki haley, took direct aim at the pyongyang regime during an emergency security council meeting in response to north korea's first icbm test. >> the world is on notice. if we act together, we can still prevent a catastrophe, and we can rid the world of a grave threat. the united states is prepared to use the full range of our capabilities to defend ourselves and our allies. one of our capabilities lies with our considerable military forces. we will use them if we must, but we prefer not to have to go that
direction. >> haley calling for an escalated response. cnn analyst retired colonel cedric leighton, former member of the joint chiefs. good morning to you, sir. >> good morning. >> thanks for being here. let's play what the president said about the money at the threat, warning of some pretty severe things. listen. >> as far as north korea is concerned, i don't know. we'll see what happens. i don't like to talk about what i have planned. i have pretty severe things that we're thinking about. that doesn't mean we're going to do them. i don't draw red lines. president obama drew a red line, and i was the one that made it look a little bit better than it was. but that could have been a lot sooner, and you wouldn't have had the same situation that you have right now in syria. that was a big mistake. as to the drawing of red lines, we'll get there in a moment. are there any good option when was it comes to north korea?
>> certainly dave, there are no military option that's won't have a reciprocal coming from the north. basically what that means is if we attack the north, they are going to respond. it's very difficult for us to mop up the entire air defense structure of the north, the entire artillery battery structure that they have facing seoul. all of that would be very difficult to do. and then the other part, of course, that's going to be difficult to eliminate their nuclear program through a military attack. so those are the kind of things that we'd be dealing with. one of the big issues here is, in fact, the limited options. the north koreans have been able to entrench themselves for over 60 years. they've been planning for a u.s. attack basically since the end of the korean war. the end of the actual fighting in the korean war. technically that's, of course, still going on. so there are a lot of things that they have been doing. they've been preparing. they are a country that has a state of war mentality. and because of that, it becomes a very difficult proposition.
not an impossible proposition but a very difficult proposition for us to go after them militarili. >> sure. let me ask you about china and the importance of china in any kind of negotiations and pressure on the regime. there are some who argue that, you know, a unified korean peninsula would be against chinese interests because, you know, that north korea is a blunt to the american ally, american influence, via south korea. and that is in chinese interests to have an unstable, unstable north. what do you make of that, what the chinese motives are here? >> well, i think, christine, there are some -- there's some truth to that. of course, if korea, say korea does unify kind of using a german model but with a twist to it, and that twist would be this -- if american troops were with drawn from what is now south korea in a unified korea situation, that may be something that would placate the chinese.
however, that would be something that we may not want to do because we don't want fighting between the koreans and the japanese or the koreans and the chinese or anybody else in that part of the world. so those are some of the big issues there. but i think there are ways around this issue. but it takes for creativity. right now the chinese see the status status quo as being in their best interest. >> we've got the military option were the chinese potentially applying pressure via sanctions or other means. the third option that we've been hearing about are open negotiation, sitting down with kim jong-un. this isn't a regime that has been willing to starve the people at the expense of its military program s. there any indication at all that the north koreans would be willing to sit down with the americans and discuss the nuclear intentions. is there any incentive for them to negotiate? >> the north koreans have basically said that they -- the
nuclear piece of their weapons systems, military, is off the table. that is a nonnegotiable piece. they see it as the only way in which they can maintain their independence. it's all about maintaining the independent of north korea, what that really means is the power of the kim family, the kim dynasty in north korea. so the way that it would work potentially is, you know, president trump has talked -- had talked about this during the election campaign. that he might be willing to sit with -- sit down with kim jong-un. that would be a great victory for the north. they want to be recognized as a co-equal power, not only with regional countries but with all the great powers in the world. if they sit down opposite the united states, that would mean that they would be in essence at the same level as us. that is not a good thing to do from a foreign policy perspective because the north koreans are nowhere near the power that the united states is
or even as any of the other countries involved in this region are. so i think this would be something that could be a way forward, but it would have to be a series of talks that would involve south korea, china, russia, japan, and possibly nations such as australia. >> we're showing a tweet from president trump, about 20 hours ago. he said trade between china and north korea grew almost 40% the first quarter, so much for china working with us. we had to give it a try. he's criticizing china there for not doing more. and rex tillerson, sors, said any country -- secretary of state, said any country that hosts workers that fully fails to implement u.n. security council resolutions in aiding and abetting a dangerous regime, et cetera. you can see the diplomacy of the united states now is putting pressure on china. >> absolutely. and the reason they are doing it
is president trump sees the world through a very commercial lens. and it is certainly pretty accurate to say that chinese trade with north korea has increased substantially. you know, the chinese are looking at this. we need to maintain that stability in north korea because we don't know what will come next and don't want there to be any surprises when it comes to things that are going on around us or on our borders. so the chinese are really basically bent on propping up the regime. if the united states can convince china, and it's a big if, to curtail some of their trade, then that would perhaps change things and perhaps bring the north koreans more tour de place where these types of events such as the intercontinental ballistic missile tests would not be happening or would not be happen human being the way they are now -- not be happening the way they are now in the world. >> don't forget the commerce department is considering
slapping tariffs on chinese steel, more tariffs on chinese steel, another piece of the whole negotiating -- the negotiating, you know -- >> that would have huge consequences back here. he talked about reciprocal trade relationships ahead. >> all right. >> colonel cedric leighton, thank you very much figure -- for being here on a hugely consequential morning as the president heads to the g-20. that will do it for us. i'm dave briggs. >> i'm christine romans. "new day" picks it up now. tando. and we covered it, july first, twenty-fifteen. talk to farmers. we know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪ i doni refuse to lie down. why suffer?
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