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you can see we're on a road that has linings on each side. there's folks up there as well. and the protesters really are sort of squeezed in between. if we go to the front, we can probably see a little more. if you guys follow me around here, you can see, i think, this is about as far as we're going to be able to get. there's some stun grenades and smoke grenades going off but that's not to worry about. so you can see right here we're at the first sort of police front line. the cops have taken up a position here and are now moving in with the water cannon trucks. you see back there, you can see those water cannon trucks firing. it seems as though they're coming from both directions. i'd say there's three water cannon trucks up there. there's also an armored vehicle as well to clear barricades but one of the things i think the police were concerned about. you can see people were above them up there. i think there were perhaps some bottles that were thrown off that building up here. and at some point, you know,
things just sort of kicked off. and you can see that they're still using that war cannon truck back there to sort of clear the area on the side because the police were securing the perimeter to the left of where we are right now. sort of trying to get people to move away from there. yeah, and it looks as though this demonstration, by the way, john, this demonstration, it moved maybe 100 yards before it got stopped. so, we'll wait and see if things calm down and if they get moving again we right now, it sort of doesn't look like it. >> fred, can you give us a sense of how far this activity we're seeing, the pushing and shoving between the demonstrators and the police, the smoke, the water cannons, how far is it from the meetings themselves? >> reporter: well, it's actually pretty far. i would say it's about a mile and a half, maybe two miles from the actual center where the g20 is going to take place. and obviously where a lot of the meetings are going to take place, the sort of exclusion
zones where no demonstrations are allowed. this was supposed to move along the road and make its way around the outer perimeter of what's called the messahaland and it literally was able to move about 200 yards down the road toward here. it was then going to circle around town a little bit, so didn't get very far. but we're still a ways away from where any of these meetings are taking place. it's where the demonstration had been taking place the entire day so i would say it's at least two miles from where the actual meetings are taking place. >> brooke baldwin who is here and will take over as we watch this developing situation on the streets of hamburg. john berman, thank you so much. i want to welcome our viewers here. you're watching live pictures here. this is hamburg, germany. this is the epicenter of the g20
summit. this is also just to give you a little bit more context, timing-wise, 8:00 in the evening there. the all-important meeting between the german chancellor angela merkel and the president of the united states, donald trump, that has just wrapped as well but we are all looking at these pictures together. we have correspondents throughout hamburg covering this. but let's begin with our white house correspondent, jeff zeleny, our senior white house correspondent who is in hamburg. jeff zeleny, set the stage for us. i mean, looking at all of the pictures, the water, the water cannons going off, what's going on? >> reporter: well, brooke, this is certainly a day of protest, the beginning of several days of protest here in hamburg and from our vantage point on a rooftop here, i can see in the distance and see a water cannon right now being sprayed across a group of protesters. there are a group of law enforcement officials, perhaps
s.w.a.t. team officials with white helmets who have lined up to essentially block what would be a running path or sort of a promenade along the river there and there was orange smoke coming from some of these protesters. this is usually the sign of tear gas or something like that. we hear intermittent shots. do not believe they're gunshots or anything like that. but perhaps just a cannon of tear gas or something. but brooke, i can tell you, from our vantage point here, there are a lot of people. and a lot of police. and as fred was just saying on the air, we are a couple miles or so from where a lot of these moe mo meetings are going on so this is not something that the president can see. in fact, most world leaders never see those protests unless they see them on our air, but this is something that is pretty typical for a summit of world leaders like this, brooke, but i can tell you the visuals are pretty strong here and the sun is still, you know, pretty hot at this moment. it will be out for a couple more hours here. so you can be sure the protests
will still be going perhaps into the evening as well. >> jeff zeleny, stand by for me. we also have fred pleitgen, one of our senior international correspondents, and fred, you're in the thick of this, i know, and the pictures are really driving the story. do we know -- i mean, we know protesters were anticipated. but these groups, what is it they're specifically protesting? >> reporter: i mean, a lot of these people are simply protesting against the g20. right now, they're screaming for the police to go away. that's sort of the chant we've been hearing throughout the day. you know, a lot of them generally are anti-capitalist groups, brooke. some of them, quite frankly, are also protesting against the president, president trump here at the summit as well. i'm now here on the first sort of front line the cops have set up here. you can tell the first perimeter here and then the second but i think what the police tried to do is you see that building up there, i think that they might have been taking some bottles from that building up there and
also perhaps from this open patch here. i think we saw some bottles flying down. th they cleared this area using those water cannon trucks and the bangs we were hearing before, those were flash bangs. those were them sort of setting off some sort of stun devices to try to get people to move away. so it's kicking off for a little while. seems to be calming down somewhat now. we'll wait and see and monitor the situation but certainly the march that was supposed to take place so this was a march against the g20. little bit of an anti-capitalist vibe to it but generally against the meeting in general. and it was actually supposed to go for quite a long distance, several miles around the actual venue, around the outer perimeter of the venue, not only managed to get, say, 100 to 200 yards from where it started from the first place, which is a fish market, sort of a popular place here in hamburg along the water. and that's when the police stopped it. they say that there were some people who were wearing, you know, masking their faces, and they said that's something
that's illegal. the march couldn't take place. and so they stopped them for a while and at some point, things just sort of -- it was really one of those situations where there was a standoff, the demonstration was stopped for a while and then things just got out of hand. a couple bottles were thrown. there was pushing and shoving and that's where the situation sort of got -- i say got out of hand but escalated a little bit. >> okay, fred, we'll take it back leer in the studio in new york. i appreciate you, your out oauds in and out. a lot of these protesters are there, obviously protesting the g20. some of them protesting president trump himself. again, just timing-wise, as the sun is still high over germany after 8:00 at night, this is after the president, our president, president trump, has met with the german chancellor. he will be meeting with president xi jinping of china. of course this also being the eve before the meeting, his first face-to-face with the president of russia, vladimir putin. let's go to atika shubt in
hamburg. tell me what you're seeing. >> reporter: hi, brooke. yeah, we just saw police disperse this area, actually. and police have now gone up and pushed further that way. what we saw essentially was that police warned protesters that they had to take off their masks and face coverings like this. you can see a lot of people are still keeping their faces covered. they don't want to be identified. this is often called a black block tactic and these are exactly the kind of tactics police are trying not to get. so what they did is they rushed in with water cannons, and they also rushed in with their riot shields and that's when the crowd began pelting the police with bottles and fire crackers and the police tried to disperse them over a wider area. but as we can see from there, a number of those black block protesters with masks on their faces are still moving into the crowd. so, i think it's still a very volatile situation, brooke. >> all right, atika, we'll come
back to you and fred as well. again, just context-wise, this is just after that chancellor merkel/president trump meeting has wrapped there in germany so let's go back to our senior white house correspondent jeff zeleny for that. as far as the meat and the substance out of the meeting, do we have a readout? how did the meeting go? >> reporter: brooke, we don't yet have a readout exactly of how that meeting went. it ended a short time ago and if you can hear a sound in the distance here, there are what look to be fireworks. it may sound a little more dramatic than that but it's fireworks in the daytime here. they are green and white. i'm about, i would say, about 300 yards or so away from that. they're going off along the river there. it looks like they're being fired from the rooftop. nothing particularly serious, i wouldn't say. there is a line of police officers with white helmets just in the distance beyond them and you can certainly see scores, you know, hundreds of protesters standing by and watching. but beyond that, brooke, i mean,
these meetings that are going on with chancellor merkel and the president, you know, is quite a distance from here. and these protesters are not following these meetings bit by bit and they're not necessarily protesting any certain policies, but in many cases, the overall idea of the g20, the overall idea of the policies of these collective countries. as we were driving through the streets, just a short time ago, after we landed from warsaw, poland, you see a lot of banners just anti-g20 banners. the motto here is, g20, welcome to hell. so a lot of globalization protests, things like that. but again, the leaders, as close as they will see these, brooke, is on their television screens. this is not something they are in the thick of at all here. the president has moved on to a dinner meeting with some other world leaders. the prime minister of japan and others here. but again, as i look out into the distance, the fireworks, another one just went off there. there's some ships along the water here, but again, a very pleasant evening here in
hamburg. so i guess you could say a good night for a protest. brooke, we'll see if it goes on into the evening here. again, the sun should be out for just under two more hours here and we'll see how the evening goes here in hamburg. again, this summit is continuing and will continue through saturday. >> incredible, jeff. just this coming together of, you know, fireworks and celebration, juxtaposed with water cannons and flash bangs, the protests that have been playing out, these high diplomatic meetings between world leaders all coalescing in this one key city in germany. cnn national security analyst and former fbi, just staying on these pictures, ashas, what's your assessment of the protests, the police, does this look under control to you? >> i actually can't see the images, but it seems to me that that would be the kind of reaction that you would have at this kind of meeting.
there are a lot of controversial issues, both in the united states, our participation in different international agreements, other controversies and issues happening in those countries as well that are -- whose leaders are meeting. so, i think that would be what i would expect to see in that setting. >> all right. asha, sorry, i figured you were sitting at a studio with lots of monito monitors around you. my apologies. we're just rolling wit here live on cnn. chris, editor at large, we've been talking all day here at cnn and you wrote the piece about what modern-day -- what it means to be modern day presidential. i think it's important to think back to both the speech, the diplomatic speech that president trump gave today but also the press conference where everything from talking about the missiles from north korea and saying that he has some pretty severe things available to him, and when talking maybe
about military action to not saying, again, that it was definitely russia who meddled and saying that president obama choked and that said, and you're looking at what's playing out, what do you think? >> well, honestly, brooke, i would separate out what we're seeing here, which are striking images, from sort of trump in both poland and in germany that we've seen today. i do think donald trump is defining what it means to be the president of the united states in a radically unorthodox way. that's been happening for the six months he's been mostly stateside, mostly in domestic politics here in america. but happened this morning in poland when he took some questions with the polish president, the attacks on the media, the, i would say, the still-unwillingness to commit to the idea that russia definitively hacked the --
hacked into the e-mails and meddled, e-mails of the dnc and hillary clinton's campaign, and meddled in this election, which the fbi and the cia, the national intelligence, basically every intelligence agency has agreed on. that's something we've not seen before. but that and this, you know, i'm always hesitant to talk about those things while we're showing these images because these things are not fundamentally, in my leabelief, related. these are protests that are obviously happening concurrent with donald trump being there but also with the start of the g20. and as jeff zeleny noted, we've seen this around the globe when these summits are convened. there are significant protests. saying that this is -- that this has to do with donald trump, you know, sure, some, but i'm not sure we can lay that at or near his feet. what i would say is i do think what donald trump did in poland, not even in germany today, but
in poland is something different than we've seen from any past president. the 43 other men who have been president of the united states, obviously grover cleveland was president twice, did not operate in that way, particularly in the modern-day presidency with tv cameras everywhere and photographers everywhere. and reporters writing down your every word. his willingness to sort of give what could have been a response or a speech he gave at a campaign rally in a diplomatic setting is fundamentally different than what we have seen from anything in the past. now, you can judge and i leave it up to folks to judge whether that's a good thing or a bad thing, but it is a thing. i think it is indisputable at this point that no president before him would do something like donald trump did this morning in poland. >> i want to come back to that point in just a second but i want to ping-pong between some of the analysts we have here and our correspondents in the thick of these protests. fred pleitgen, let me go back to
you. what's going on again? >> reporter: yeah, we have a situation here, brooke, right now where you can see those are police water cannon trucks that were just in use here. seems as though they're pulling back a little bit. if you look in the middle, they have that armored vehicle that they used to clear a barricade. the situation here, seems like the cops are moving along. seems to us, by the way, brooke, that what the police seem to be trying to do is you had one very large demonstration that was going to march and it seems they're trying to break that up into smaller groups to sort of deal with smaller amounts of people than they had before. but then still quite a tense situation here. there's a lot of screaming going on. obviously some of the use of that water cannon truck going on. there seems to be some people who might have some signs of some sort of tear gas maybe or something. also seems to have people who seem to be injured as well. so certainly, it's still quite a tense situation down here. the police obviously seem to be trying to get it under control and some of the things we've seen, i was saying before that
there were flash bangs that seem to have been in use, brooke. i think a lot of those were actually fire crackers that might have been set off here by the crowd. i did see one land next to a bunch of cops that then sort of went off and created a pretty large bang. so there's still a big police force. i've now counted about ten of those water cannon trucks they've been using to disperse the crowd. >> just to be clear, fred, i mean, this was anticipated. i mean, we see that the police presence there, they knew these protesters were coming. we've known about the g20 for quite some time. >> reporter: yeah, absolutely. i mean, this is something that certainly was anticipated and i would say even the situation that we're seeing now with some of the violence that we've been seeing here, i think even that was anticipated as well. it certainly, at this point in time, isn't as bad as some people had anticipated that it might get. of course we do have to say that it is still very early in the day here. it's still light out, still warm out there. still a lot of people out. this demonstration is one that was supposed to be moving along at this point in time.
we'll wait and see whether it forms again to try to march along the route on the outside perimeter of the place where the g20 meetings are going to take place and where some of the bilateral meetings are going to take place as well. it was anticipated that there would be a crowd of protesters, many of them anti-capitalists, many of them just anti-g20 who don't like the whole concept of what's going on and that they would be coming from all over europe and in fact from all over the world. there were groups that we've seen here from mexico. there were a lot of people from the u.s. we've seen here as well. got some of the chanting going on as well here again, against the police. it's actually because there's a group of police officers that's walking over here. so they always get some chants their way as they move through here. those are german federal police officers with their very distinctive black helmets that they wear. but yeah, you're right. this is certainly something that was anticipated and by any measure, it's not something that's totally out of control. you know, they're trying to come to terms with it. they're sort of some violence
that breaks out. but it certainly isn't as bad as we've seen at some other g20s in the past but we have to keep in mind that it is still very early going on and i have to say, this protest that was supposed to march for several miles, i really didn't get very far until the police stopped it. >> and the pictures are stunning. now it appears something to be on fire, set on fire by some protesters. the water can nonz, the tear gas, we're going to stay on the pictures, fred. we'll come back to you periodically. thank you very much. i want to go back and forth between the protests and the substance of what the -- the situati significance of the g20, the significance of the merkel/trump meeting that wrapped a while ago and david sanger, i want to go to you, our political analyst that's travelled the world and covered world leaders. back to the president of the united states and back to that press conference he gave and some of the questions he answersed on the notion of russia influencing the u.s. election. you and i know that is fact and we don't know that just because of former fbi director, you know, jim comey testifying that
there is no doubt, but you know, president trump's own intel chiefs agree. so the fact that the president is still saying that it could have been other countries, how, david, how significant is that on the eve of his first sit-down with putin? how he's not holding the russians fully accountable. >> reporter: yeah, the way i read it, brooke, was that the president was trying, by watering down the accountability here, trying something that he has tried before, and it makes it a little bit easier for him, i think, in his mind to not press the issue in a big way with president putin when he meets him here tomorrow afternoon. and the reason that does that is because he can basically say, well, you were in the election, but so were others. now, identi've been covering th pretty intently for a bit more than a year. i haven't had a single intelligence official tell me at any point that they found any evidence of involvement of
anybody other than either russian government actors or russian patriotic actors. that doesn't mean there weren't other cyber events, which the chinese and north koreans and the iranians have been involved in, the sony hack was north korea, the theft of data from the office of personnel management was, of course, the chinese. but i don't think that's what the president meant. i think what he was trying to do was say that there were many responsible for the attacks on the dnc, the podesta e-mails and all that. one other point just to take you back, brooke, to the protests. i was at seattle in 1999, the big wto protest, many anti-g20 protests during president bush and president obama's time. and while this sounds pretty dramatic, by size, it doesn't really measure up to many of those. and you have to remember, these are largely anti-globalization protests, and you now actually have an anti-globalization
president. >> no, i think that's a great point and i think context is key here. and obviously this was all anticipated as dramatic, though, as these pictures are. mckenzie, let me ask you the question about this trump/merkel meeting that we know that has also wrapped in the midst of all of this, that's wrapped in germany. we're learning a little bit more apparently they met for a good hour, this according to a german spokesperson, and topics of the meeting included north korea, ukraine, and the middle east. what do you read from that? >> i think those are the global hot spots. i assume the middle east was dominated by syria in particular right now, possibly even iran. these are the challenges confronting these chiefs of state no matter where you live because just like the economy is increasingly globalized so is a metastasized threat. it's not just islamic state.
so it's the right thing, the right topics for them to focus on because really without security, there's no prosperity and that's what these protests are about. david hit on the point, and chris did as well, but really we live in a generally high-debt, low economic growth global economy, and everybody's upset with that. but if you have security problems on top of that, you're going to make both challenges even harder to tackle. >> mackenzie, stay with me. atika, tell me where you are and what you're seeing. >> reporter: well, brooke, we're where they just dispersed the crowd. they've kind of thinned the crowds out around here. there was about 12,000 people jammed into here. they went in with water cannons, as you can see the water cannons there and some of these big riot shields and they were able to push people out and around. so now what you've got is small groups kind of scattered around this area, but still a little bit of tension. we still see bottles being thrown at police.
but the water cannons have turned around and moving back that way, you can probably hear the crowd here is not happy. very angry. we've seen a lot of anger coming not just from protesters but residents here as well. at the way this is being handled. police are taking a very tough line with protesters. they hadn't even moved a few meters before police moved in. and it sounds like they're giving another warning to people now. david, sounds like they want people to move out of the way of the crossings here so we're going to move back a little bit just so we can get out of the way a little bit. but as you can see, this is beyond going for a few hours. >> did we lose her? we lost her. we lost her. we'll come back to atika and her crew there. fred pleitgen, let's pivot to
you, also nearby. you speak german. what are these police shouting at the crowds? >> reporter: the police, they're basically using the intercom systems, which i think are probably actually on the water cannon trucks that you see right here. remember, atika was saying that some of the water cannon trucks had turned around. they're coming to us right here and what they said is look, this is the police speaking, and we need people to move out of this area. otherwise the police is going to kick into action or police action will start. i think those were the exact words that they were saying. so that's basically they're -- every time they make a move, the police, they make an announcement beforehand and that's sort of what they're announcing right now. anybody who's in this area right now is going to be subject to some sort of police action. and, you know, wait and see whether or not something like that kicks off. usually it takes a while and they'll sort of let people stay here for a while, but atika is absolutely right. it's quite a charged atmosphere here still. there's a lot of screaming and
yelling going on at the police at the same time. police also pushing a lot of people away. you can show you up here, remember that overpass bridge that i was talking about, the cops are in the process right now of clearing that. i told you they were -- they said that they had taken a couple of bottles thrown at them from that because the demo was actually going under here on this sort of main road that you see right here and now they're sort of clearing that bridge, getting people out of the way and we're going to wait and see whether or not this demo actually gets back underway, whether they're going to allow people to march or not. but at this point in time, obviously everything's stopped. see some people screaming here now. they're screaming, anti-capitalist, so against capitalism. still quite a charged atmosphere at this point in time. you know, it's -- i wouldn't say it's calming down but it's sort of morphed into a bit of a standoff here. very early on in this demonstration route. and you can still see police
officers sort of moving a lot of their troops that they have on the ground here around into position to try to clear the area to make sure that cops are actually safe as well because we have heard that some cops apparently got injured in skirmishes that took place. >> yeah, no, it's interesting to watch the ebb and the flow of some of these protests, fred. we're going to keep you close to the camera and be back to you momentarily. thank you so, so much. we have atika standing by. you got cut off a moment ago. what are we looking at? >> reporter: brooke, what i can show you here is that police are basically trying to remove these protesters. they're also detaining people. you can see quite a few scuffles here. it might get a little bit rough. but essentially, police are trying to clear this crossing. they've brought in the water cannons, the water cannon we are now getting ready to -- i can see protesters being removed from the crossing forcibly.
but basically we've got a lot of tensions here. protesters refusing to leave. police trying to move them on. we've got this mediators in the middle trying to keep the peace between the two. but you can see a lot of shoving between the police. there's an older lady in the middle here just trying to keep the peace. but that's a pretty tough call right now. they are moving us so we're going to move back a bit. you can see the riot police here have the long shields out. >> atika, can you hear me? what are they chanting? >> reporter: there's an anti-capitalist -- it's anti-capitalist protest, basically. they're saying anti-capitalist, anti-capitalist. a lot of yelling at the police for what they see as excessive force. now we've moved -- so far, they've managed to move people back a bit so the tension has gone down slightly but there's
still a number of protesters sitting in the crosswalk so it's going to take them a while to move them out. i think that's why they brought the water cannon as a sort of last resort to push them out. >> atika, help me if i can just jump in. help us understand, for people who don't know hamburg and the area, how far are these protesters actually from the summit itself, from these high-level meetings? >> reporter: this is about three kilometers from the messa, which is the conference center with the g20 summit is happening. so it's not that close. but it is close enough to do a march to and that's what they were planning to do. this part of town is known for its leftist protest activity, so when the g20 summit was put here, people said -- residents here said, it's going to get crazy. this is exactly what's going to happen. and that seems to be what's turning out. we're going to turn the camera up a bit so you can take a look and see what police are doing. but these are the kinds of running cat and mouse battles that local residents said were likely to happen if the g20
summit was put here. it's exactly what's going on. this is just the beginning. about 12,000 people came out today. they're expecting more 100,000 over the next two days so i think this is essentially a warm-up for what we're going to be seeing over the next three days. >> wow. wow. to hear that this is a warm-up, to know that night has yet to fall there, and that they are anticipating some 100,000 protesters, atika, you have been phenomenal. we'll come back to you. fred pleitgen, we're going to pivot back over to you. fred, you were saying earlier it seemed to be dispersing but just from the looks of our pictures, it's tough to determine that. >> reporter: no, no, you're absolutely right, brooke. it seems as though things are a little bit more dhacharged up again. the cops have moved in with more water cannon trucks here and there's a lot of people yelling at them now. there was actually one instance just a couple of minutes ago where we saw a bunch of ems personnel come through here, carrying someone on a stretcher
who seemed to have been pretty badly injured so it looks as though there have been injuries in this demonstration so far. another one of those announcements by the police. telling people to -- the area is going to be cleared away. as you can see, we're actually quite close to these water cannon trucks, maybe you want to get out of the way a little bit. might want to move back a row or two just to make sure case they start using those, we don't want to be in the front line when that happens. they're just telling people to move out of the way, that otherwise the police is going to kick into action again, that these water cannon trucks are then going to be used. stay around here. i'm sure you can still see the water cannon trucks over there. that's now the front line. the police seem to be moving forward. they've cleared the bridge over the overpass and there's some -- some of these folks out here who seem to be, you know, very aggressive at this point in time. you can see someone sort of wearing sunglasses, hooded,
someone putting gloves on as well. so the atmosphere is actually pretty charged here at this side of the protest. >> fred, what are police telling them? >> reporter: well, the police are telling them to move out of the way immediately. they say that they're not complying with the rules the police put in place for this demonstration to take place in the first place because all these demonstrations, they have to apply under certain terms and now the police are saying that they're not adhering to those terms and one of the reasons they're saying is because people are covering their faces. you can see people here wearing scarves over their faces, and that's something not allowed in german demonstrations. police are saying, cut that out. and generally they're saying this area needs to be clear so this demonstration can move forward. they're telling them to get out of the way and otherwise the police are going to move forward. they've sort of cleared the area to both sides. now they've moved some of their asseted to this side to confront what they think are some hard
core protesters, especially the guys in black that you see here sort of standing in the front line, sort of confronting them right now. more of a standoff at this point in time but there is quite a charged atmosphere. >> okay. fred pleitgen, thank you. we'll come back to you. atika also in the thick of it as well. again, these are live pictures. atika said it was 3 kilometers. that was roughly about 2 miles from the epicenter of the g20. you have all these world leaders coming together. we know that this is the eve of the all-important first face-to-face between vladimir putin, the president of russia, and the president of the united states. we know that president trump has just met with the german chancellor, angela merkel. and so this is just gives you an idea of sort of the tale of two stories of two different versions of the g20 there. but i want to go back to substance with my panel. and david sanger, i want to go back to you, because -- all right. asha, let me ask you this question. back to the president today directly questioned his own
intelligence community there on foreign soil. i mean, you are former fbi. you know, even if you question the findings, to say that as he did, publicly, and abroad, that cannot go well -- you know, just over well with the intel community, the agencies. >> it won't go well -- over well with the intel agencies. and actually, that was music to putin's ears. i mean, to have a president openly question the credibility of his own intelligence agencies, this is exactly what they want. and also what he said was not entirely accurate. he seemed to suggest that there was not unanimity among the intelligence agencies because there are 17 intelligence agencies and he hadn't heard from all of them. we have so many intelligence agencies because they all do different things. the national reconnaissance agency is not going to give a conclusion on russian meddling because they monitor satellites.
they don't monitor foreign intelligence activity. and so among the intelligence agencies that matter and work on foreign intelligence, specifically, the cia, the fbi, the nsa, the office of the director of national intelligence, there is unanimity and so undermining their credibility in a foreign setting is not a good move. he really, you know, that's -- we always expect our presidents to speak with one voice when they're facing the external world, and i think both at home and with regard to what's going to happen tomorrow with putin, these are not good signs. >> okay. all right. thank you so much. mackenzie, your response to that. the point i was making earlier too, not only not holding -- he's not holding russia accountable, right, and this is the day before he meets with vladimir putin. i mean, you advised a lot of republican candidates. your interpretation of that. >> well, it's president trump, right? so everything has a qualifier.
and i would say he did do a little light, but at the same time, for him, it was his harshest criticism of russia to date since taking office. so, perhaps, you know, that signals a desire to want to show some toughness with president putin. i don't know. but if he talks about primarily syria and ukraine, as i expect he will, and not the election, then he's going to want to project strength and show toughness. look, his staff, when i did brief them, said that candidate trump was a self-professed federalist. he believes deeply in the concept of sovereignty, returning power to the states. but if you care about sorchty, then you care very much about what russia did to ukraine by gobbling up territory that does not belong to that country and basically stealing it under the threat of violence. so yeah, i agree he went light on them. and look, president trump needs the intelligence community to succeed. it's in his best interest. that's what he doesn't seem to get. this rocky relationship only hurts the president.
it doesn't hurt the intelligence community. >> well, yes, and you know, you bring up yukraine and according to administration officials telling cnn and it's ukraine and syria that are really the top prioriti priorities ahead of this putin meeting. thank you so much. you're looking at live pictures here in hamburg, maybe two miles away from the epicenter of the g20, with all these world leeshds coalescing. fred pleitgen is there. talking about water cannons. what are people tossing? >> reporter: well, they're tossing, looks like throwing bottles. you can see there's a bottle flying right now. some were actually shooting fireworks at these police trucks as well and the police is responding in kind. they have the water cannon trucks sort of shooting at the folks here. so the situation here is just escalating. there's also a guy sort of sitting in front of the water cannon trucks and trying to stop them from moving forward as well. so, it's certainly escalated somewhat here. you can see they're using those
water cannon trucks again. so the past couple of minutes certainly -- there we go. police seems to be trying to sort of clear that area. they've used these water cannon trucks pretty extensively, especially over the last hour or so and now really seems as though things might be escalating here again. as you can see, there's people sort of taunting the cops. taunting the cops, throwing bottles at them. and the police are just sort of like pushing them away with those very, very powerful water cannons. i can tell you in the past, i've felt those water beams a couple of times and it's not fun when you get hit by those. they're pretty strong. yeah. so here the situation right now is really escalating. you can see the guys are getting hit there by the water at the moment. at the same time, i don't know if you can hear it, brooke, but the police are also -- they keep making those announcements. they keep telling the people to get out of the way. that's a legal thing here in
germany where you have to warn people of police action before the police actually goes into action. they're going to keep making those announcements and every time they make the announcement, they also always name the time of day that it is at that point. now the crowd is cheering, go away, go away to the police. and maybe we can move forward just a little bit to see if we can sort of get a little closer. that's sot medics coming through here as well. make sure that we don't get too close to this. but yeah, as you can see, it's really -- >> we can see the water. >> standoffish sort of environment at the moment. >> we can see the water. we can see the people with their cell phones, you know, filming it. and let me just say, you know, i apologize for the middle finger that just popped up on tv, but listen, it's a frenetic environment and this is -- folks, this is live tv. for people, though, fred, who are just tuning in, again, this is the g20. several days there in hamburg, germany. who are these people, and what are they protesting? >> reporter: we're going to move
over here a little bit. you can see them right here. a lot of them are sort of anti-capitalist groups. one of the interesting things about europe is that in europe, a lot of these groups that are critical of governments here, they really have united in europe as well so you have folks here who come from all over the european continent and beyond as well. we've seen guys from mexico here. we've seen some from america as well so there are a lot of organized left wing groups. there's also, quite frankly, a lot of regular folks from hamburg as well who don't like the g20 necessarily taking place here. have to watch out a little bit. but it is really -- people come from very broad backgrounds and from a multitude of places and you can see right now, the police really moving forward here right now. really just going forward and sort of hitting everything in their path with those water cannon trucks and these guys here, if you look at the protesters here, they're just screaming at them and sort of standing in the way. but yeah, it's a multitude of people. and you do sometimes sort of
have folks who you can tell are looking for a fight. we're actually in a bad position right now. we've got to move out of the way, brooke. there's folks throwing bottles behind us. >> please be careful to you and your crew. let me give you a pause, take a breath, you know, collect yourselves, fred, thank you so much. we'll come back to you. atika schubert is in the thick of this. she was saying this is just the beginning. anticipating some 100,000 people over the course of the next couple days. atika, where are you and what are you looking at. >> we're at the end of the march. the march has been able to continue. you can see the march moving forward, even though the water cannon is still at the front there, kind of trying to keep things in control. my cameraman will turn around. you can see over there, right behind as well. so what they've done with the protesters here, contingent at the front and contingent at the
back. the black block protesters, they worry about that when they go in. but for now, the march will continue. >> atika, i'm having a tough time hearing you. you'll have to forgive us. this is live tv and this is all playing out here in hamburg, germany. it's a mix of, you know, media, bystanders and of course a crush of protesters here at the g20. about three kilometers -- fred pleitgen, let me go back over to you because it was so tough to hear atika. there was a pre-planned march in addition to these protesters, yes? fred, you're live. >> reporter: hi, yeah, brooke. i'm in the -- again, we have a situation right now. this guy's throwing bottles at the cops again. it's sort of kicking off here again. the police are moving forward.
i think what we're actually going to do is go this way. we have to go this way really quick. wait, wait, wait. sorry, brooke. we kind of have to move out of the way really quick because the thing is we're in a bit of danger right now to get in between the police and the guys throwing the bottles. so, we kind of have to keep moving in this direction. >> well, please move away. let's get you guys to a safe place. safety is the number one priority here. i can just -- let's get you pulled away. it's a tenuous situation. we want our crews to be incredibly safe as we try to cover, really, both threads of this g20 story for you. the meetings of these world leaders here in hamburg, germany, and of course these images that we've been watching play out on the screen for the better part of nearly an hour. fred, we still have your audio. are you okay? >> reporter: hey, yeah, it's all fine. it's all good. >> let's have a conversation.
we don't have to have you on tv. >> reporter: i'm right here. that's okay. i'm right here. >> i see the water cannons. >> reporter: yeah. yeah, exactly. so, we're -- i'd say we're about 50 yards away from that right now. there are some guys who set up barricades here. i'm not sure if they're going to be able to see those. so they've set up barricades here in the middle of the road. we'll just move over here a little bit. so they've sort of barricaded the road here and the cops are moving in with those water cannon trucks so what they're -- it's clear that they're trying to clear the path as they come down here. look at the amount of bottles and rocks and other things that are flying at them right now. and they're going to get up to this barricade at some point. we're going to have to keep moving backwards, brooke, because we don't want to get in a situation where we're in between the bottles and the cops shooting their water cannons and i'm going to keep moving backwards. the police moving forward really quickly. as you can see, they're also spraying to the sides because some of these areas, they have
quite tall buildings on the sides so people -- sorry about that -- with people standing on them where the cops have been taking bottles as well. but right now, this is full-on police action that's going ton right now. you have guys throwing stuff and running away. we have crowds running at us as the police move forward. but yeah, they're really, really using all their assets that they have right now just sort of plowing forward with those water cannon trucks. they have cops in full riot gear that are moving forward in the same direction as they go along. so you can tell they're definitely clearing this route right now, starting to push these people here are actually getting pushed towards the area where the summit is taking place. you can see this is sort of central hamburg. this is part of the old town of hamburg so sort of pushing them in that direction. obviously hoping to disperse the crowds. we're going to wait for a second here. so seems like the cops are going to clear that barricade that was set up. now they're chanting, all
hamburg hates the police. >> fred, hang tight for me. we're just going to come back to you in a second because we have another vantage, i think, from up high to sort of see where you are. jeff zeleny's our white house correspondent kofrlcovering, of course, the presidential visit in hamburg, but jeff zeleny, as we were talking substance, can you show me with your camera down below? i see you're perched up high. but can you show me where this is in conjunction to where you are? >> reporter: sure. i am about -- i would say about 300 yards or so and we'll see if we can pan over in that direction. let me ask my excellent cameraman, bill here to pan over in this direction if we can. if you can see that, and brooke, you can see some smoke in the distance there. that was black and billowing earlier. that has calmed down significantly. but you can see the images and the people along the river there, and i would say it is dissipated somewhat. the one thing that i have had my
eye on and they weren't there nymp anymore, was a line of s.w.a.t. officers or something of that kind, tactical officers with white helmet on that were sort of blocking the way there. but you can see the bridge and that's where fred is reporting from, down there up that thoroughfare right there, so this is literally we're on a hotel rooftop, not far from there at all, brooke, so you're getting a sense of what is happening from there. but as of now, i do not see any fireworks we saw earlier. i don't see any tear gas we saw earlier. the water cannons that were flying, we don't see those as well. we hear helicopters overhead, some sirens in the distance here. but for now, at the moment at least, from this rooftop view, things seem to be calmer than they were a short time ago. but fred, of course, would be in the thick of it to see things directly up close. >> i appreciate you and bill, your pj, just for giving us the perspective. we can see all of hamburg. >> reporter: and now we do see
those fireworks again. and it's something potentially more than fireworks, actually, brooke. we shouldn't say we necessarily know that there are, you know, american fireworks, obvious, or something like that. it could be some other type of smoke bomb or tear gas but it's something that is being set up and filling that area with a bit of smoke here, and again, it's early in the evening. we have more than an hour, about exactly an hour, until sunset here. still very -- it almost feels like the afternoon here, brooke. very, very bright here. police are standing by. they believe that these protests could go on into the evening hours, likely will go on into the evening hours. the rest of the city, i can tell you, brooke, people are running along the river there, riding bicycles. it is a beautiful night here in hamburg but we can now hear protesters shouting there in the distance with, you know, a variety of different messages there. trying to get the attention of the g20 world leaders gathered here in hamburg. >> it's incredible.
i'm going to guess those aren't decorative fireworks. maybe you have fourth of july of your brain. i think that's perhaps law enforcement as you point out, some sort of flash bang or something set up in the sky. >> reporter: unclear, though. it looks like they're coming from more of a rooftop angle so it's not the yellow -- it's not the orange tear gas we saw earlier from the flash bangs. it is different than that. so again, it's dissipating, and again, we should point out, still relatively peaceful as far as these protests go. >> jeff zeleny, thank you. from hamburg, still light out, nearly 9:00 at night. i think the sun doesn't even set there until around 10:00. let's talk more substance as we pivot back and forth between the pictures of these protests and these all-important world leader meetings. i have standing by matt, author of "angela merkel, europe's most influential leader" and political science professor at
coven trooe university. so thank you so much for joining us in the thick of everything that we've been covering here. you know, let me just read this. this is what you have written. that merkel has been able to outsmart male opponents who have declared their hand too early. do you think that chancellor merkel will be able -- you know, that we know the meeting's over, but do you think she was able to sort of outmaneuver president trump at all today, and how? >> i think she will do that and in a way she's already done that by setting the agenda for the meeting. the agenda is to talk about climate change, to talk about international trade and add to that women's rights. so those are not issues that donald trump is famous for loving. the way she will do it is she'll be very charming. she's somebody who has a good sense of humor. she likes monty python. so she'll be chatting away and the way that she normally does it is that she will barrage people with facts. she's very articulate person who she has a doctorate in quantum
physics of all things, and she would give all these facts to donald trump and then she'll try to say that what she's actually achieving is the things he's been fighting for all along. that's how she dealt with tony blare back in the day and that's how she's met with putin and other leaders. this combination of charm, barraging of facts, and trying to get people to think that actually they have agreed with her all along. she has quite a good track record on that and i think she probably used that to her advantage again. >> matt, just a little bit of information we learned about their meeting. apparently it lasted a good hour. they talked about several foreign policy hot topics, the situation in the middle east and the conflict in eastern ukraine. this is according to a spokesperson. you wrote about her first encounter with then-prime minister tony blair. tell me what happened.
>> that was just a few years ago and she came up to him and said, i have ten problems. my first problem is charisma. do you think my chief of staff could shadow your chief of staff for a couple weeks so he could learn the ropes and then we can be all friendly. and tony blair said of course he could do that. he thought he was going to get an ally there, and the first meeting after that, angela merkel then turned around and negotiated a deal that britain wasn't too pleased with. so basically, a lot of people will be charmed by her and then she'll be very, very shrewd afterwards. she's very much a germany first politician. although she dresses herself up very much like an internationalist. >> in addition to that, though, you also point out that she's an avid listener. who could find common ground with her opponents? where do you think she may try to -- where she may have tried to find common ground with president trump. >> i think where she will find
common ground is over nato. she has now committed to paying 2% of gdp to common defense, and she will say that she -- there will be common ground there. the devil will, though, however, be in the perennial details. the german definition of what counts as defense spending will be considerably broader and will be beneficial to german industry as well but she'll try to say, well, i listened to you on the campaign trail and now we're doing exactly as you've said but in addition to that or in return for that, as a quid pro quo, maybe you will reconsider international trade and a number of other issues. she'll also be pleased that donald trump has come out being unusually critical of vladimir putin, especially over ukraine. also at the meeting, angela merkel will be meeting vladimir putin. angela merkel, of course, speaks very good russian. she won the gold medal for best russian speaker in primary school back in the early 1970s.
and in that meeting, she'll be pressuring putin to basically give way on ukraine as she has actually successfully done before. so she'll be quite pleased that putin is not sort of just pally with donald trump, that donald trump has criticized putin over ukraine, which has been a thing that the germans have been waiting for and wanting for quite some time. >> she speaks russian and has a doctorate in quantum physics. angela merkel. matt, thank you so much for that as we know that the trump/merkel meeting has wrapped. thank you so much, sir. as we stay on these pictures here of these protests in hamburg, another one of today's big headlines, puresident trump says he's considering severe options in response to north korea's missile launch, this as his defense secretary says the launch does not bring the u.s. closer to war. let me turn now to jeffery
lewis. >> pleasure to be here. >> so, if north korea actually fired at u.s. homeland, can the u.s. military stop it? >> that's a really good question. i'm not sure anyone knows the answer, including the united states military. there's a missile defense system that's in place. but it's been tested fairly rarely, and has a pretty mediocre test record. the way the pentagon approaches things, they'll throw everything they have at it and hope they get lucky. >> define mediocre. >> you know, they give it every intercept about a 50/50 chance but 50/50 really isn't a statistical measure. it's more of a who knows. the had they've had a lot of problems that are kind of common. the intercepters themselves are not terribly well designed and they've proven to be pretty finicky so in theory, everything should work but just the reality is often they miss and it doesn't work when it's raining and other things like that.
>> so, shoulder -- i mean, so we don't know how certain the u.s. would be, then, in terms of having the u.s. knock down a missile. >> no, not at all. you know, the reality is, tests cost sometimes up to $200 million, so the system just can't be tested the way that you would want for a statistical confidence. and so the reality is there's a system in place, you know, it's designed to do this job, you know, people work very hard on it. but you just -- you're just never going to know. this isn't the kind of thing that you want to rely on. the way the pentagon plans to do it is to fire four or five intercepters at every missile and just hope if you figure everyone is 50/50, you get lucky. >> wow. i don't know how americans would feel about those kinds of odds. i mean, in this time, jeffrey, of uncertainty, is there anything the u.s. can do to prepare for any sort of worst case scenario? >> well, at the end of the day, you just have to try to look at
this problem wholistically. i mean, i think we try to imagine that they're going to be military responses that will save us so you imagine a missile defense system can solve it or perhaps you could try attacking the north koreans, but i think at the end of the day, what we really learn is that we live in a world that's global and that we have a certain level of vulnerability that we just can't escape and that means dealing with the fact that north korea has nuclear weapons and u you know, ultimately sitting down and talking with them, which isn't always that fun and it's not a political winner, but they have the bomb. what are you going to do? >> i mean, you know, aye talki'd to a lot of smart people on tv. to listen to you, i don't know which is the most viable. i was talking to someone yesterday who said, well, here's the best of the worst, which echos, you know, what i'm hearing from you. is there concern that just the talk of u.s. military action could somehow provoke kim jong un? >> yeah, sure. i think the thing we worry about is, look, the north koreans
aren't going to wake up tomorrow and use their nuclear weapons against the united states or south korea. those weapons are there, they think to, prevent them from falling to a scenario like struck saddam in iraq. the good news is, they're not planning to start a nuclear war. the bad news is, they're planning to use them very early if a war starts. so the thing most of us worry about is a miscalculation. if the president says something incautious that leads the north koreans to think a war is imminent. >> all right, jeffrey lewis, thank you. thank you for your time on north korea. appreciate it. let's move on. you are watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. we begin with these massive protests that have been breaking out here in hamburg. this is just about two miles from really this g20 summit, this is from where president trump has been meeting with world leaders. these are live pictures we've been looking at for the better part of this hour from hamburg
where german police have been using water cannons, and flash bangs and tear gas, and we've also been watching these protesters throwing bottles and other objects right back. inside the summit, president trump has already met with german chancellor angela merkel and tonight he's in a closed door meeting with both the leaders of japan and south korea. so we have jeff zeleny standing by on a perch on a hotel above where some of these protests have been playing out. he's our senior white house correspondent traveling and covering president trump for us. we also have frederik pleitgen down on the streets in the thick of these protests as well. fred, let's begin with you this hour. hour. what's happening where you are? -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com
>> reporter: you can see back there. look at that sea of blue flashing lights. that's the other end of that sort of police perimeter that they built up. that's the buffer zone. there have been bottles flying, different water cannon trucks you can see right here, right in front of us, actually, have sort of been taking aim at people. police have been using those extensively. you can see the water cannon truck is being hit by a paint bomb or something. right now, the demo, which is actually supposed to go all the way around the outer perimeter of the g20 summit area, has started moving again. i would say that at this point in time, in the past -- when did this whole thing kick off? like two hours ago, they've moved maybe 200 yards. it looks like the police are moving in here again. let's see how long we can stay out here, brooke. looks like they're moving forward again. right now it's a little more calm but it certainly is still very, very charged as the police are clearing people out of the way, trying to get that demo