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hotels. one of them, the four seasons, was booked by the king of saudi arabia. which is something he does. he's done it in washington before, full buyout of the hotel where he brings allegedly his camels and on the radentourage. anyway, they did not get a room there but they're settled now in hamburg. >> all right. kate bennett on the flotus beat. thank you, kate. >> thanks. we continue on. you're watching cnn. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >> there were a lot of questions ahead to this all-important meeting as to whether or not president trump would, in fact, go there. but here is what secretary tillerson told reporters in this
off-camera briefing just minutes ago. >> the president opened the meeting with president putin by raising the concerns of the american people regarding russian interference in the 2016 election. they had a very robust and lengthy exchange on the subject. the president pressed president putin on more than one occasion regarding russian involvement. president putin denied such involvement. as i think he has in the past. the two leaders agreed, though, that it is a substantial hindrance, and the ability of us to move the russian/u.s. relationship forward and agreed to exchange further work regarding commitments of noninterference in the affairs of the united states and our democratic process as well as those of other countries. >> the meeting lasted a lot
longer than expected. we clocked it at 2 hours, 16 minutes. secretary tillerson says the bulk of that was actually on syria. the two sides reaching an agreement on a cease-fire in syria's southwest. president trump and president putin talked to reporters just before their formal sit-down. >> thank you very much. we appreciate it. president putin and i have been discussing various things, and i think it's going very well. we've had some very, very good talks. wear goi we're going to have a talk now, and obviously that will continue. but we look forward to a lot of very positive things happening for russia, for the united states, and for everybody concerned. and it's an honor to be with you. >> let's first go to our senior white house correspondent who's traveling and covering president trump. jeff zeleny, the headline, obviously, what secretary tillerson says president trump addressed off the top. tell me what else.
>> reporter: brooke, so interesting that president trump did address this right off the top. and you get this sense that the white house had been down playing this, because they refused to confirm the last several days if he was going to be doing it. but we do not yet know how long they talked about election interference. it was not the majority of it. in fact, secretary of state rex tillerson, just coming back from a briefing with him, and he said the majority of the time was spent on syria. but brooke, the question here is the russian account of this meeting is slightly different. the russian foreign minister, sergey lavrov, is telling reporters that vladimir putin asked for proof and evidence that there was tampering, and secretary tillerson said the president did not offer any. he said he'll leave that to the intelligence community. but they agreed to work together and move forward on this. so, the reality here, brooke, once the sort of cloud of the fact that they talked about this lifts, it's very unlikely that anything would be done, and i think there will be some
criticism, potentially, of the president not offering proof and not sort of hammering this home more. so by moving on, and secretary tillerson said, by design, the president did not want this to dominate the conversation. they were trying to reset the relationship, which of course is a very rocky and, you know, pretty poor relationship between both super powers now, but by not sort of confronting this head on, more directly, abruptly and harshly, will anything sort of change from this and will the sanctions be enough, et cetera, but certainly interesting that they talked. syria headline. and we'll find out in the coming days how -- if this changes the relationship. but brooke, one more thing. a tiny little detail here that secretary tillerson told us. the meeting was 2 hours, 15 minutes. it was going on so long, the white house wasn't sure why it was taking so long. they sent in melania trump, the first lady, to say, hey, mr. president, you're behind schedule here. secretary tillerson said they
kept going one more hour. who knows if that was sort of by design, to send in the first lady, to meet the russian president, kabuki theater here, but that's a pretty interesting moment in terms of high-stakes diplomacy. >> the fact that they sent her in to say, fellas, wrap it up, to no avail. let me go back, though, to syria. you mentioned the cease-fire. there was also headlines and the future of bashar al assad. this is what secretary tillerson said on syria. >> they discussed important progress that was made in syria, and i think all of you have seen some of the news that just broke regarding a deescalation agreement and memorandum, which was agreed between the united states, russia, and jordan for an important area in southwest syria that affects jordan's security, but also a very complicated part of the syrian
battle field. this deescalation area was agreed. it was well-defined agreement on who will secure this area, a cease-fire has been entered into, and i think this is our first indication of the u.s. and russia being able to work together in syria and as a result of that, we had a very lengthy discussion regarding other areas in syria that we can continue to work together on to deescalate the areas and the violence once we defeat isis. >> so, significant there. the other headline and also saying, the quote on assad, there will be a transition away from the assad family. >> reporter: right. and that is a very significant headline. i mean, the idea of the outlines of the cease-fire, you know, certainly a big development, and that is one of the reasons that secretary tillerson said the president wanted to move beyond russia, to focus more on areas
of common agreement here. so, there have been proposed cease-fires before, brooke. there have been other moments like this, but this is the beginning of a new relationship here, so we'll see if russia and the u.s. will be able to hold together in jordan a, you know, a more of a an outlines of a cease-fire here. we'll just have to, you know, watch that with a skeptical but hopeful eye. >> jeff zeleny, thank you. with all those choppers flying high above your head, i hear those rotors. thank you very much in hamburg. a lot happening there. the protests, of course, not far from you. but let's talk more about the substance of this meeting. ben judah is back with us. he's my favorite putin expert and author of "fragile empire." ben judah, welcome back. we pregamed. now we'll post-game what we know. you know, channeling vladimir putin. you've spent some time with the man. how do you think he would have felt, given the fact that going into this meeting, the white house totally down played any sort of bringing up of the
russian meddling in the election and boom, this is what president trump, according to the secretary of state, does, out of the gate. what was vladimir putin thinking? >> i mean t first thing you've got to remember is that vladimir putin is, without doubt, the most geopolitically experienced world leader around. and we're comparing this to trump, somebody who is, if we're going to be charitable, a novice at this game. vladimir putin has met the last three generations of western leaders. he met ronald reagan in his retirement, in his role as deputy mayor of st. petersburg in the 1990s. he met margaret thatcher. he's obviously met both clintons. he's met barack obama, so intense experience here. so this is a situation that putin will be incredibly comfortable in. whereas, trump will be perhaps somewhat out of his depth. now, let's compare mr. tillerson to sergey lavrov.
mr. tillerson has very narrow experience, whereas mr. lavrov has been russian foreign minister since 2004, dealing and jousting diplomatically with pretty much all of the bright young things and the most experienced diplomats the west could throw at him in that period. so we've got the americans here, hopelessly outmatched. and that's something that putin is going to be very cognizant of. >> but perhaps the u.s. knew that going in. and maybe they wanted to try to take president putin by surprise in mentioning the russian meddling out of the gate. again, how do you think president putin interpreted that reference? >> this would only be speculation, but from what we are hearing from the meeting, it sounds like a perfunctory mention of it was made for domestic political purposes in the united states to get it out of the way and to get the kind
of media coverage that is being generated now, that makes it look as if the united states is being tough towards putin without actually taking any serious geopolitical or financial rebuttal towards him. so, i think putin would have been, again, very aware of that. what's very interesting is that putin certainly hasn't been behaving as if he had come under intense criticism. putin tends to react very badly to that. instead, what we're seeing from putin is a man in, perhaps, one of his two modes when meeting world leaders and certainly u.s. presidents, which is the seduction mode. we've seen putin go very hard towards charming trump, and we've seen him trying to channel his antipathy towards journalists and the media. >> and you know, what we won't know is how seduced, if at all, president trump was. the fact that -- i mean, we know vladimir putin is often late to
meetings, maybe this is part of his calculating ways. i mean, the man was even late to the pope. so, we're hearing he was early to this meeting. the meeting went on for an unexpected 2 hours, 16 minutes. what's your read on that, ben? >> again, this is not the first time a western leader has gone into a meeting with vladimir putin, hoping to set aside differences, to turn the page on the past, and to create a collaborative, soft alliance against islamic terrorism. the first western leader to do this was tony blair back in 2001. and what all of these leaders, including obama, including george w. bush, have found is that at the end of the day, the united states and russia's strategic interests are too contradictory because of russia's alliances, partnerships, and strategic claims on the territory around it that it calls its near
abroad. and what i see looming right up ahead in this theater of operations that trump is trying to secure partnership with putin on in syria is the fact that russia has a soft alliance and a nuclear partnership with iran. >> but let's throw the pictures up just quickly and here's my final question. we've been talking so much about substance. just body language of these two, respect, leaning in. back to your notion of putin's charm. do you think it's possible that president trump, given how long this meeting went, was charmed by this former kgb man? >> it looks like that trump -- and again, it's very hard to -- we're only speculating here. it looks like that trump has been somewhat charmed by putin, but i think, looking at the body language, less so than george w. bush was in his first few meetings with putin. >> interesting.
interesting. ben judah, thank you, as always. >> thank you. we have more on the breaking news here, president trump and russian president vladimir putin have made this deal on a cease-fire in the southwestern part of syria. we will take you live to syria, to this war-torn country where cnn's nick peyton walsh became the first journalist to go inside the old city of raqqa today since u.s.-backed forces made critical moves against isis. his conclusiscluzive reporting . please don't miss this. with crunchy clustersg's h and the taste of apples and strawberries. i got one! guess we're having cereal for dinner. kellogg's raisin bran crunch apple strawberry.
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it. just a little bit ago. we now know what was discussed behind closed doors. again, this is all according to a man who was in the room, secretary of state rex tillerson saying that number one, russia's meddling in the u.s. presidential election was brought up out of the gate, and two, that these two men had extensive conversations on syria. so, with that, let me bring in a member of the house intelligence committee. he is democratic congressman mike quigley on the phone. congressman, thank you so much for calling in. >> glad to be here. thank you. >> all right. so the news, again, according to secretary tillerson, that president trump brought up russia's meddling in our election, at the very beginning of this conversation, your reaction to that. >> well, that's good news. i mean, and the length of the meeting tells me that the administration understands the length and breadth of the complicated relationship and what we have to begin to address. we don't know exactly what was said in the meeting. i'm appreciative of the fact that he brought up russian
involvement. i prefer to call it a russian attack on our democratic process instead of meddling. and i'm hopeful that he was very clear. i mean, if i'm in his shoes, i say, you attacked our democratic process. we're not going to tolerate this. if he in any way ekwquivocates, putin sees that in a much different way than the president imagines. he sees that as a green light to continue. >> let me throw this in, congressman quigley, because we're now hearing the other side of the story, this is coming from tillerson's counterpart, who was also in the room, sergey lavrov. lavrov says president trump accepted president putin's denial. the quote is, president trump said he's heard putin's very clear statements and this is not true and the russian government didn't interfere in the elections and that he accepts these statements. that's all. accepts these statement.
mr. congressman, your response to that. >> my reaction is, i'm not sure what i can believe about what the president or mr. tillerson said about the discussion. but i'm pretty sure i can't trust, at all, what the russians have said. so, i'd like to think that that wasn't the case. what concerns me is what our president has said publicly, which he equivocated and said, no one can know whether or not it was the russians when obviously the unanimous voice of the intelligence community says it clearly was the russians who attacked our process. and until the president says that publicly, we're not going to get where we need to be to protect ourselves against further attacks. >> congressman, how hopeful are you that these two countries can move forward, and again, you know, the fact that they did sit for as long as they did, what do you hope is the positive next step out of this meeting?
>> i think continued discussions about what took place in the election last year, expanded relationships attacking isis, working together, understanding that the assad regime has to leave in syria, and what we're going to have to to do working together. and a clear recognition that it does not help, and we really need the russians to stop trading with north korea. you know, if beijing hesitates at all in economic involvement with north korea, it's clear that moscow is picking it up. the first two months of this year, russia's trade with north korea increased 73%. we're not going to be able to deter the leader of north korea if they can continue unabated that somebody will do business with them. and finally, i think it is
extraordinarily important for our leaders to let putin know that sanctions will stay, involving their occupation in ukraine, and they might be enhanced, because again, mr. putin is someone who recognizes force and strength. anything else, he sees as an opportunity to move forward unabated. >> all right. so those are all items to look for move ahead. but before i let you go, congressman quickly, i don't know if you've heard this. if you turn up the volume during the pool spray of when these two are meeting, you hear president trump say to president putin, it's an honor to meet you, an honor. you know, you, being a democrat, being a member of the house intel committee, and trump's own intel chiefs, and really the majority of the country believe it was, indeed, russia, to use your phrase, attacked our democratic process. when you hear the president say, honored to meet you, what do you think? >> yeah, i sort of get the notion of diplomatic
pleasantries, but in a brief exchange that these two leaders have, it's very important that we communicate with words that send messages, telling mr. putin it's an honor to meet him and so we've come to some sort of agreement to change what's been going on is probably a misstep. >> congressman mike quigley, thank you. >> thank you. take care. >> thank you, you too, sir. again, one of the headlines out of the meeting between these two was syria so again, we are live in syria as the news has broken on this cease-fire agreement in just the southwestern part of the country, parabapparently worked by both presidents trump and putin. we will take you to raqqa when we come back.
president trump and president putin have agreed to a cease-fire in southwest syria. according to the secretary of state, rex tillerson, who was in the room and then briefed the media after the fact, you know, made this announcement after the 2 hour, 16 minute meeting between these two world leaders there at the g20. for now, the fighting continues in syria, but u.s.-backed forces have punched a hole in isis defenses. cnn's senior international correspondent nick paton walsh is the first journalist to go inside the breached wall around raqqa. here is his exclusive reporting. >> reporter: we are now inside the old city walls of raqqa, the capital of isis's self-declared caliphate and the territory in which they will make their final stand in syria and really the middle east. that wall, a key milestone for coalition forces and the syrian kurds and arabs who now control fully inside. down that way, 200 meters are
isis's positions. the forces here don't move around much in the daylight because of the risk of isis snipers, less so in these streets but it's at night where the majority of the movement forward is, in fact, made. we've seen u.s. forces here, not far from these positions, anxious not to be filmed or even noticed, frankly, but who understand it's them calling in the air strikes and often the artillery that's allowing these forces to move forward, frankly, so quickly. i've been surprised how little of the city isis apparently are in right now, an area possibly 1 1/2 to 3 miles in terms of size. so, increasingly small in the terrain that they hold but as we saw in mosul and iraq, civilians apparently held in their midst, unable to flee because of the isis snipers, a real impediment for these syrian, kurdish and arab fighters but still progress here, potentially marking the last time that isis can say they hold a city in syria. >> nick is now in northern syria, 10:30 your time, nick.
thank you so much for that exclusive look inside the walls of raqqa. but let me ask you about the news made in this putin/trump meeting, specifically that the cease-fire in southwest syria. what's the significance of that? >> reporter: well, it's an area in which we have seen intermittently moments in which pro-syrian militia have come forward and that's caused the need for this sort of increased talk about deescalation. and two, this deal, scant on details at this moment, frankly, does appear to involve a calming of the forces in that area but i have to point out, southern syria is not the most troublesome region, frankly, of the country. this kind of deescalation has been sort of in the works for some time. it will bring some sense of calm to jordan, who are seeing more activity on their northern border, but i think more interestingly, we've seen hundreds -- hundreds is an exaggeration, possibly a dozen
syrian cease-fires come and go in the past five years or so. the first time these two sides have a meeting here, they appear to come up with some sort of desire to work more closely together on syria. they have the white house under obama administration and moscow been on totally different sides of the syrian civil war. that means potentially a lot for damascus and possibly a thorn in the side for what remains of the syrian moderate rebel opposition. >> well, let me just take you back to raqqa, though. and our exclusive look. thanks to you and your crew. i mean, what more can you share about what you saw within those walls today? and nick, how close are forces to recapturing it? >> reporter: very hard to tell how long this will take, because they've been moving in the sort of suburbs of raqqa very quickly indeed. i mean, we traveled about 3 or 4 kilometers as far as we could tell that had been liberated in
just the last few weeks or so. they're moving very quickly and it seems the buildings in which they get resistance from isis are basically pancaked by coalition artillery or air strikes. that's the reason behind their swift advance but now they're hitting the more built-up areas. they only got into the old city about five days ago and they're already 300 or 400 meters in, about a third of the way into that dense area. it's eerie and silent. you don't see many civilians. there appear to be some that are trapped because of the isis snipers. the progress, depending the comparisons we had with mosul where progress was very slow because of how populated it was, is a lot faster here in raqqa. you get a sense of a pretty intense american involvement, certainly when you listen to the night sky around raqqa, that's when a lot of the fighting happens. it's frankly too hot in the day and isis snipers keep the forces pretty much in their positions during the day but at night, it picks up again and shthey seem
be moving quite fast. the kind of strip that isis control seems to be about 1 1/2 miles wide so about 3 miles long. and the question now is, of course, do they manage to cut them in the middle, do the forces join up some way through, splitting isis in two and how long does it take to fight through those dense urban streets of raqqa? how much underground defense work is there by isis? how much ammunition and will power do they have to hold out? these are questions we can't know the answer to but what is clear from seeing what we've seen in the past few days, they're moving very fast indeed on the outskirts. is it going to keep going at that pace? possibly. because isis, without resupply for months now, are going to have to break. >> we thank you for taking the risks to show the world what's happening there in raqqa. to you and your crew, thank you so much, live in syria. we do have more on our breaking news. the hours president trump spent with vladimir putin today may be one of the most analyzed moments of his administration. we go to moscow to our senior international correspondent there, matthew chance, who has
interviewed vladimir putin twice, but matthew, let's just begin with the news here. now that we've heard not only from the u.s. secretary of state, we've heard from his counterpart, the foreign ins minister there in russia, sergey lavrov, tell me now what he's saying about how president trump reacted to president putin's denial of accusations of meddling in the election. >> reporter: rex tillerson has characterized this as a robust exchange where, you know, president trump put to president putin the concerns of the american people about the allegations of russian interference in the u.s. election, which of course swept donald trump to office. the russians are also reporting that sergey lavrov, the russian foreign minister, has been speaking to the russian press about that exchange, and he said that, look, you know, in the end, the, you know, donald trump, the u.s. president, accepted the statements by vladimir putin, that russia had nothing to do with this.
state media has gone even further, quoting sergey lavrov, the russian foreign minister, saying that trump said that cyber interference of russia was exaggerated in some circles. and so the russian media are saying that actually, donald trump made that concession to the russians during that supposed robust exchange that the extent to which russia was involved may have been exaggerated. at any rate, both sides have agreed to set up a working group to discuss the issue further, which is actually something that the russians have been pushing for for some time. so you can characterize this, i suppose, from whichever side you want. it was a u.s. victory in the sense that they raised this important issue, this contentious issue, but the russians got out of it, you know, this bilateral meeting, bilateral working group to discuss the issue of cyber security in the future. and it's not altogether surprising that that would happen because remember, putin and trump go into this meeting, went into this meeting, with pretty similar views, a pretty similar world view. it's what trump campaigned on.
it's what we've been talking about for the past year, and so it's hardly surprising that they would find common ground in this first face-to-face meeting. >> but again, on this denial -- alleged denial, acceptance, you know, to quote ambassadors and experts i've just been talking to, they say,listen, extreme caution in taking anything that the russians have to say or how they're characterizing this. matthew chance, thank you so much. again, live in moscow. coming up next, we are watching pictures of these protests on the streets of hamburg again today. this is outside the g20 summit where presidents trump and putin just met. also ahead, intel officials tell cnn they have seen a spike in russian spies coming into the u.s. since the 2016 election. a former director of national intelligence will join me live to talk about why this is happening and exactly what these spies are up to. looking for a hotel that fits... ...your budget? tripadvisor now searches over 200 sites to find you the hotel
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director of national intelligence. mr. ambassador, a pleasure. welcome. >> thank you. >> ambassador, first just your take on this reporting, again, from secretary tillerson that it was the meddling, the russian election interference that president trump brought up out of the gate. >> right, which i think essentially was a positive thing, because people were worried that he might not raise it at all. let me say that, you know, a 2 hour and 15 minute meeting with consecutive interpretation really boils down to a 1-hour meeting, a little bit more than 1 hour, and i think for a 1-hour meeting, they covered a lot of ground, including announcing the prospect of a cease-fire in southwestern syria so for the first meeting that these two leaders have ever had, i think you would have to credit it with being quite a positive first step. >> where are you most hopeful?
we know they discussed the election meddling, north korea, china, you mentioned the cease-fire in syria. where are you most hopeful? what are you hoping to actually tangibly come out of this? >> well, i think two things. first of all, the very substance of some kind of progress on the syria issue, i think, is a hopeful prospect and augers well, and it obviously reflects a certain amount of dialogue and negotiation that had gone on beforehand. and second, i think the fact that perhaps this offers the possibility of systemizing the relationship a little bit more. >> what does that mean? >> well, a working group on cyber, for example, and to talk about election issues, the fact that we're obviously going to have to follow-up on the syrian cease-fire. it seems to me that this holds out the prospect of being a little more systematic than mr. trump has been about these foreign policy issues up until now. he's been very spontaneous, you know, and almost cavalier in the way he deals with some of them. so i think that's a positive
thing. >> but what about just following up on the cease-fire in syria, i mean, this is declared as these two men are sitting in the room at the g20, discussing syria. do you think that was choreogra choreographed? >> well, it certainly had been negotiated beforehand because secretary tillerson, you know, intimated this yesterday, and i know when a certain amount of work done on that so yeah, it's planned beforehand. they chose this particular moment to announce it but the details aren't fully available yet and we'll have to study them a little bit more carefully when they come out. >> i'm curious, just you also wearing your former dni hat, you know, how do officials scrub the room or, you know, just make sure the room is secure as they're having these high-level talks between two world leaders? >> oh, they have different ways of doing that. i don't think that's a particularly serious problem on both sides.
i mean, both the u.s. and the russians have capabilities to do that. so, i wouldn't be -- wouldn't be concerned in that regard. >> let me ask you about this cnn reporting here of this increased russian spying since the 2016 election. according to our intel, russians are ramping up intelligence gathering efforts, and there is this uptick, we know about the, what was it 35 spies who were expelled in december under president obama, and now there are many more who are coming in. who are they, and what exactly are they trying to infiltrate? >> well, i'm not sure what information we're referring to here, and who the sources are, and how reliable it is, but the one thing i would say is, you know, the fbi is really all over this issue of espionage. they monitor espionage by adversarial powers very, very carefully, and they have a long record of experience in doing that, and i'm sure they're totally alert to whatever might be happening at the moment. >> how worried are you, just
lastly, on more interfering in the democratic process in 2018 as we've heard from james clapper and also 2020? >> well, i think it's a good thing that the president raised it. we've got these two commissions, the two congressional committees working on it. we've got bob mueller with his special counsel. i think we've got to keep on that issue and we have to keep it in front of the russians as well. i wouldn't accept that they didn't -- that they didn't do anything. that's patently wrong, it would appear. but, you know, we just have to keep that issue alive and on the radar screen. >> ambassador john negroponte, thank you so much. >> thank you. coming up next, senate majority leader mitch mcconnell admits he may have to work with democrats on health care as the chances are looking increasingly grim for this republican plan to pass. we will tell you why. holiday inn express gets you the readiest. because ready gives a pep talk. showtime! but the readiest gives a pep rally.
cannot replace obamacare, he will work with democrats to fix it. so, let's go to our white house reporter, kaitlan collins for more on this and bring in cnn senior economics analyst steven moore, a fellow at the heritage foundation and a former adviser to president trump. so great to see both of you. and steven, let me begin with you. reading our reporting, another high-profile senator of north dakota is the latest republican to say that he's not supporting this republican bill as it is. is this growing list of names what is prompting leader mcconnell to say, hey, we need to -- may need to work with democrats, and does that sound a tad defeatist to you? >> hi, brooke. well, i would say one-word answer. frustration. i think that's what mitch mcconnell's facing right now, and you know, i have to give him credit. he's got a tough job, brooke, because he's trying to thread a needle here. he has to get to 50 votes in the senate, and he's got 52 republicans. unfortunately, there aren't going to be too many democrats, if any, that are going to help
on this, and so that means that he can only lose two republicans, right, and if he moves the bill a little bit more to the right to accommodate the conservatives like ted cruz and rand paul, he risks losing some of the moderates. if he moves it to the left, the same thing happens so he's it's a delicate operation right now. >> well, you have the top democrat in the senate, chuck schumer, saying that mitch mcconnell's comments are encouraging, steven. what do you say with the notion of working with democrats? >> you know, i've been in this town for 35 years, brooke, and some of the best pieces of legislation in the past have been bipartisan. the welfare reform, the 1986 tax reform act. i wish we could get democrats repealing obamacare and working on to something that works
better and not increasing costs of health care. i would like to know who mitch mcconnell has in mind that he can get to vote for a repeal of obamacare. i don't see the house or senate being cooperative. >> if the fix it possible with obamacare insurance markets, why not do it now? >> i'm not sure i understand. if the fix is possible under what circumstance? >> the obamacare insurance markets. >> well, it has to be. >> that's what mcconnell was referencing. >> obamacare, every word of it doesn't have to be repealed, but it does have to be substantially repealed. especially on the side of what obamacare has done in the insurance market, where healthy people are dropping out of the market because they can't afford it and sick people -- this is exactly what we predicted, by the way, when we were at the washington journal editorial page, we wrote an editorial every day predicting what would happen with obamacare. you have to fundamentally
reinsure the market. >> kaitlyn, over to you. big news today, awesome news today when it comes to these job numbers. the numbers far better than expected. 220,000 jobs added. i was curious about the kinds of jobs, and the bulk of health care, as you can see, on your screen. this is great news. how much of this credit goes to president trump? >> i think they'll certainly try to take a lot of credit for this, brooke, but this is the strongest jobs report that we've seen since he took office in january. it's certainly stronger than what most economists projected would come out this june. and the administration is already taking credit for this. donald trump got ahead of the jobs report and was on twitter over the weekend saying the numbers look great and the administration's work has only begun. but let's not forget when donald trump was a candidate, he often dismissed these reports as phony and fraudulent, said they weren't real, said the unemployment numbers were fake
and they were lower. when press secretary sean spicer was asked all this march, he said maybe they were phony before, but they're very real now. i think we'll see him try to take a lot of credit for it, but i don't think the economists would say the trump administration has been in office to have an effect. >> i think it is true that you can't say the numbers were phony a dwreyear or two ago and say they're very accurate now. when i was campaigning with donald trump, we talked about the unemployment rate, and what he meant by the fact they were phony was not that the bureau of labor statistics was making up the numbers, but that what was being reported by the press was not so accurate. in other words, this headline unemployment rate number that has been reported all day today and was reported for the last seven years is is jujust less a less important because we have so many people, brooke, that are not in the work force anymore that are not being counted. i think that was the point. that's still true today. the real unemployment rate is
not 4.4%. if you want to get a big laugh in front of an audience, go to pennsylvania, ohio and illinois and tell them they have a 4.4% unemployment rate. on the issue of who deserves credit, yeah, absolutely he stalled in the early months of his administration. but there's no question you saw a bounce in his economy with the stock market and confidence numbers. and i think that is starting to translate into jobs, but he's got to get this tax bill done if he's going to get a continuation of really good economic news. >> we have to see once everyone comes back from vacation what happens with health care, and of course tax is a huge issue after that. before i let you go, maybe this is another one in the win column for the president, the border crossings numbers, kaitlyn, remaining at the steady and historic low. how much should this be attributed to the president and his rhetoric? >> well, border security officials have credited this with president trump's ramped-up language saying they're going to
increase border security and actually deport people. the question is, do they still need the border wall if the numbers are at all-time lows? that got brought up today. the president is at his first g20 summit and he had a meeting with the president of mexico. as you remember, the president canceled his january meeting with trump because trump was saying mexico was going to keep paying for the wall. when reporters were talking to him, he said, do you still want mexico to pay for the wall? president trump said absolutely, as he was sitting next to the president of mexico. however, during their meeting, the wall was not mentioned and the mexican foreign minister said the wall was not brought up during their meeting. >> i can tell you one thing, donald trump wants to build that wall. i think it's symbolic to his voters. it's interesting, i think the big question going forward is once we get this wall built if
we can continue to bring illegal immigration down, then i would hope we could actually have gates open for legal immigrants. brooke, we're getting closer and closer to a situation where employers are going to need more workers as we see the economy start to advance. i'm against illegal immigration but i'm all for people coming in legally and i think we need them. >> steven and kaitlyn, thank you both so very much. coming up next, president trump taking on russian election meddling in his first face-to-face meeting with vladimir putin. details from the meeting that lasted three times longer than anticipated. is this a phone?
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