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it is 5:00 a.m. in the east and already the white house in escalating chaos coping with the fallout from don trump jr.'s meeting with the russian lawyer and his release of the e-mails setting it all up. the new york times out front on all this says the president's aides and lawyers have formed what the paper calls a circular firing squad, slamming each other to the decisions made since don jr.'s meeting and the russians came to height light. he was eager to accept help from a foreign adversary. >> an e-mail from rob gold stone made the pitch. quote, very high level and public information. don jr.'s response, i love it. if it's what you say i love it especially later in the summer. now he's speaking out in his own defense telling fox news he would have done things a little differently. >> this is 13 months ago before
i think the rest of the world was talking about that. so i don't even think my sirens went up or the antennas went up at this time because of it because it wasn't the issue that it's been made out to be over the last nine months, ten months. >> do you tell your father anything about this? >> no. it was such a nothing -- there was nothing to tell. i mean, i wouldn't have even remembered it until you start scouring through the stuff. it was a wasted 20 minutes which was a shame. >> so far don jr. has not spoken to the fbi nor handed over documents but his lawyer says he's willing to talk to any investigators. last night, the president signed off on don jr.'s initial statement crafted by trump advisors late saturday. a statement that made no receive roens to the meeting about being about damaging information on hillary clinton. the president is frustrated
hispanola attorney and they're frustrated by what they see by meddling by the son-in-law. the president himself preparing to head back to europe today posting a new tweet. he is a great person who loves our country. that's a notably stronger endorsement of don jr. than the one earlier in the day who came through the white house. >> i have a quick statement that i'll read from the president. my son is a high quality person and i applaud his transparency and beyond that i'm going to have to refer everything on this matter to don jr.'s counsel and outside counsel and won't have anything else to add beyond that. >> won't have anything else to add beyond that and the reason why you're not seeing slid owe of her is this is one of those press briefings that just was audio. this is kind of the new way they do things in the white house.
unusual -- >> but nothing on the schedule today and the president expected to answer two questions in france tomorrow we can get what those would be about. >> good morning to both of you and james, let's start with the obvious. criminality here, is there any on the behalf of don trump jr. sf. >> sure. you've got to look at this from a couple perspectives. you've got to look at the possible campaign finance. did trump campaign receive some type of ben mitt or was there an offer of a benefit from a foreign state. i've heard a lot of people talking about this. we don't want to go that far, because i think what happens is when people hear things when
we're trying to expand statutes to cover this, they get uncomfortable. no one could read that e-mail yesterday, especially those in law enforcement, not uncomfortable looking at that and saying wow, this smacks of impropriety. we've got to let special prosecutor do their investigation and let it run its course. >> let's listen to what don jr. said last night. he said things were going a million miles a minute. this was a time of the campaign way before there was a -- the media was making a big deal about the russia angle. listen to how he explains himself. >> in retrospect i probably would have done things a little differently. this is before the russian mania. this is before they were building it up in the press. they had something, you know, maybe concrete evidence to all the stories that i've been
hearing about underreported for years, not just under the campaign. it was apparently that wasn't what the meeting was about. >> here we are all these months later here. is that going to be enough from don jr., do you think? >> well, it reminded me of what attorney general jeff sessions said when they found out he had met with the russian ambassador and others, kind of deny, deny, deny and when you're faced with the smoking gun. oh, wait, i guess that did happen. so as a defense i'm not sure this one probably is going to go very far. michael flynn, jeff sessions now don jr., jared kushner was left public in his defense but we're seeing the same kind of thing where they deny something happened and then faced with the fact of it, have had to come out and say wait, yes it did and it's just smoke and smoke and
smoke. it compounds itself until you believe what they say. >> the lack of transparency has been such a problem from the beginning. all administrations, a couple thousand really smart people willing to work 24/7 and basically strain their family relations to get stuff done and this is a white house accusat n accusation. i can't imagine what kind of chaos is going on behind the scenes. >> oh, my gosh. it is sucking up all of the energy. they're supposed to be voting on a health care bill. that's already been delayed several times so they want to get that done before the august recess. none of the things that he's promised politically to do, promising the american people he would do, he's get around to because this is so dominating. everything everybody is talking about. >> staffing up and getting work
done on health care. that's part of the reason they've delayed the august recess, but i want to talk to you again about the white house defense here. they say nothing was really revealed here. nothing really came of this meeting. is that inconsequential in the terms of the scheme of things? in terms of the investigation? >> i think from the law enforcement perspective a lot of times it's not what you know. it's what you can prove and some of these statutes because they have the intent piece to it, that's difficult. what's helpful is they're going to subpoena all these e-mails. they're going to subpoena them from erveg and then they're going to go back and use a forensic evidence harvesting technique to piece all these together. there's something that we do well in the fbi. they're still doing the
investigation. we do link analysis and that link analysis made much easier where you have telephone calls and cell records that you can piece things together. who traveled into trump towers today to do this? it will be interesting to find out. >> it reminds me of something that the house oversight committee said yesterday on fox news about just get it all out there. listen. >> someone close to the president needs to get everyone connected with that campaign in a room and say from the time you saw dthe doctor until the momen you drank vodka with a guy names boris, we're going to turn them over to the council because this drip, drip, drip is undermining the responsibility. >> it's refreshing to hear
congressman gowdy to say that. if you're looking at this thing and calling balls a and strikes, that e-mail exchange between don jr. and gold stone is a smoking gun. now, what's behind that, where else that went, what other link analysis they can put together that's going to determine whether or not they can find a crime there. unseemly yes, criminal? difficult to say. >> and you heard gowdy there. republicans on the hill, these questions will not stop. how do you expect them to answer them? how do you expect all of this to impact the agenda? >> the agenda is totally on the side burners right now. maybe mitch mcconnell can pull a rabbit out of his hat with health care. i think they would love to move on to something else but anything is going to be compromised in terms of this president helping them pass it until they can get past all of this and pay attention to what
republicans on capitol hill were saying. you heard gowdy giving advice right there. when he starts calling for investigations, when chins are joining those calls then you know this white house has a real problem. we saw a little bit of that yesterday from the congressman from new york and john mccain, he is a noted survivor of scandal himself, but keep an eye on those republicans and what they're talking about. >> we're showing a sampling of some of the op eds. donald trump jr. is an id yotd is a headline there. the wall street journal has the ski stone cops collusion. they have a lot of work to do in washington and these scandals come to many administrations, no doubt. we've all covered and survived them, right? but it's so earl in this administration and they're not
really staffed up and ready to go and the new york times talks about this circular firing squad right now, just people blaming each other even in the days thins this revolution came through. it's remarkable. >> it becomes harder to sort of cut loose somebody who has to do with this scandal when they share the name of the president. that makes it more difficult. >> this thing is certainly not over. we'll see you in about 20 minutes. how is all this affecting the stock market? a roller coaster. details next. [customer] that's how i feel right now about all the financing options for this project i'm doing. i feel like i should know more than i know. [team member] don't sweat it. we have this new tool--my credit options guide-- that gives you a customized comparison like this, which helps you discover which credit options might be right for you. [customer] oh, this is better. they should make one for paint. [team member] want to get started? [customer] sure.
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house over the issues that just won't go away. the coverage this morning from the newspapers is not friendly not even from the new york post. donald trump is an idiot, not our language. the keystone cops collusion also amongst the editorials. good morning. everybody. >> you've got 30 minutes past the hour and the white house coping with the fallout from donald trump jr.'s meeting with a russian lawyer and his release of the e-mails setting it up. the new york times out front on all this reporting says that the president's aides and lawyers have formed what the paper calls a quote, circular firing squad, slamming each other for the decisions made since don jr.'s meeting with the russian attorney came to light. the e-mails providing the most
direct evidence. he was willing -- he was even eager to accept help from a foreign adversary. an e-mail from rob gold stone made the pitch. very high level and sensitive information, part of russia and its government support for mr. trump. don jr.'s response, i love it. now he's speaking out in his own defense telling fox news in retrospect he would have done things a little differently. >> and this is 13 months ago before i think the rest of the world was talking about that, trying to build up that russia. i don't even think my sirens went up or the antennas went up because of it because it wasn't the issue it's been made out to be over the last nine months, ten months. >> do you tell your father anything about this? >> no. it was such a nothing, there was nothing to tell. i mean, i wouldn't have even remembered it until you start scouring through the stuff. it was literally a wasted 20
minutes which was a shame. >> so far he has not spoken to the fbi nor handed over documents but his lawyer says he is willing to talk to any investigators. last night, new reporting from the times. the president signed off on don jr.'s initial statement crafted by trump advisors late saturday, a statement that made no reference to the meeting being about damaging information on hillary clinton. the times also reporting the president is frustrated with his attorney. the attorney and his team are frustrated as well. a lawyer for the president denies this reporting. the president himself preparing to head back to europe. later today posting a new tweet of support for his son reading in part, he is a great person who loves our country. the white house earlier called don jr. a high quality person. not much of a defense as to this scandal from the president though, christine. >> he hadn't been tweeting about
this for a couple of days and you know people around him were really encouraging restraint on all of this, and as the story is changing and evolving you can see why. >> let's bring in zach wolf the digital director for cnn politics and retired fbi supervisory agent. good morning to both of you and we've got to start with the legal trouble if any donald trump jr. is in. what sort of legal trouble is ahead? >> well, as you pointed out earlier, the new york post which has historically been a trump supported newspaper publishes that scathing editorial where they talk about don jr.'s ham handedness. and i look at this from -- we talked about perjury earlier. perjury is hard to prove because you've got to prove intent, but there are lies of commission and lies of omission and for the white house to get behind don jr.'s early statement where he
basically talks about well, it was about adoption -- >> not just get behind it but help craft this. >> that's going to be political trouble. because nobody was under oath there, dave, i don't see how they could pursue a perjury charge there. >> this is such a huge political mess and distraction for this white house and they're reporting if you peel back the curtains in the white house it sounds like utter chaos over there. >> you know, it does if you read the reports that are coming out. it's got to be quite something for them to have denied this for so long and then to be faced with this e-mail which seems, you know, for lack of a better word like a smoking gun, like he really did think that there was going to be this offer of information from the russian government or at least that's what was in the e-mail. it's the kind of thing he's been -- you know, they've been denying for so long. so this has got to be a moment
where they have to take stock and figure out -- >> not only denying but mocking and calling fake news and scoffing and very forcefully blasting anyone who would, you know, entertain such a suggestion and now it's right there in black and white. >> yeah and so, you know, this is kind of -- that's why everybody was so shocked yesterday and everybody's jaws hit the floor when he tweeted it out of -- kind of out of nowhere before the new york times can publish it and just reading it, that e-mail you can hear the silence in newsrooms as people said to themselves really? >> the to be market falls right away, but it diz bounce back. >> if this doesn't show collusion, it shows attempted collusion, but don jr. went on and talked about transparency. his father giving him credit for releasing these e-mails.
does he deserve it? you decide. here's don jr. last night. >> did you hand over any and all documents? >> well, i will. i've said it publicly, i said it yesterday. more than happy to cooperate with everyone. i want the truth to get out there. that's part of why i released stuff today. i want to get it all out there. in all candidness, they want to drip it out there a little bit today and a little bit tomorrow. >> but as far as you know this is all of it? >> this is everything. >> this is a transparent administration, james. >> after the new york times told him they were going to run the e-mails. >> but if you're bob mueller and you're the special counsel, what do these e-mails give you in terms of a digital trail? how does it change the path you might have been on? >> well, law enforcement is helped by everything we do today
presents digital exhaust. every time you tweet or touch your phone, every time you send an e-mail. so that is going to give them some physical evidence that's going to be easy to track. there's two strong caveats here. the first one is for the special prosecutor. he has subpoena power. he can ask for whatever he wants and the trump administration wasn't the trump administration back during the campaign. they don't have executive privilege. they can't say we're not releasing those because the president has elected to use executive privilege. >> the president himself doesn't have executive privilege from that period. >> he was back in june when this hachd he wasn't even the -- i don't even think he was republican nominee until july. >> and his assistance has mentioned in the e-mails. you wonder if her e-mails are going to be subpoenaed. >> and let's talk about what the circle is here.
jared kushner we're told is going back and his attorneys are scrubbing all of his meetings trying to figure out, make sure that all of his disclosures of those meetings are accurate. walk us through where he is in this circle. >> well, you know, i think that kind of remains to be seen. he had his own, you know, subsequent meetings that were forgotten to be disclosed with the russian ambassador and now there's this one that he may or may not have been in for a short amount of time. i think according to both the russian lawyer and now trump jr. so you can imagine that they're trying to figure that out. his lawyer says they're going over his e-mails as they see this. it's still unclear to me exactly how all of this leaked out to the press. was it kushner's people giving it to them? was it part of somebody from the special counsel's office that leaked it? how is sort of the -- you know, how it got out will be super
interesting to figure out. is this kind of the trump family turning on itself? is that this moment? it remains to be seen. >> and you've been concerned about those leaks, where they're coming from, what this says about what's going on inside this administration. >> absolutely and i have zero concern that -- for leaks coming out of the administration. i hope they don't come out of the department of justice or the intel community or the fbi. >> you'd put a lid on that. >> you would think that. he has a reputation of being stern about that so you hope that's the case. >> i want to read this editorial because i think, you know, let's listen to what the washington post has to say about this. there can now be no doubt. the russian story is not just smoke but fire.
an incriminating e-mail chain has made its impossible for the white house to deploy its always flimsy argument of last resort that the whole story is just fake news. and how does the white house -- how should the white house respond here going forward? >> well, you know, i think part of what they need to do is hope that no other shoes drop. we heard john mccain say yesterday he thinks other stuff will happen in the coming days. i'm not sure exactly i ho he knows that but they need to have a breather probably, and then they also need to work with the special counsel and try to get all of this out there. they need to get this past them so they can start working on policy, but i will say, if you have an empowered special counsel and you have this this smoking gun of e-mails, who
knows where this can go? you recall ken star ended up with monica lewinsky. >> and the only chance we'll get is two questions from the u.s. press tomorrow. and perhaps that's when ewe'll hear the president's take on this. all right. thank you. to money now, u.s. hiring as more people quit their jobs and that's a good sign for the u.s. economy. they've got a new job or are confident they will find another one. the quit rate spiked 7%. it's a good thing when it spikes and the unemployment rate the lowest since 2001. many think the u.s. is near what is known as full employment, meaning there aren't many more
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french revolution but all of the principles that are dependent. everyone is going to be watching closely to see if macron succeeds in what he sets outs to. the whole point of the invitation is to try to bring the american president back into the fold. and it's the fold of the long standing western european american consensus, one that's existed wince world war ii, one that is underpinned by the values being celebrated here on friday morning. the idea being whether to see if donald trump can in fact be thought of once again as the kind of partner europe hopes the american president can be. >> yeah, the optics of macron and trump, not exactly looking like partners at the g20. should be a fascinating couple of days. thank you. >> all right. 5 minutes to the top of the hour. global stock markets mostly higher today after that donald trump jr. e-mail scandal yesterday triggered a knee jerk
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worldwide. 34 million americans don't have access to high speed internet. microsoft plans to you unused tv spectrum and satellite to bring broad band this year. google and facebook already have similar initiatives in place. thanks for joining us. >> you are a high quality person. i just want to say that. >> i think you are too. you're very transparent. >> "new day" starts right now. >> we're now beyond obstruction of justice. >> for me this is opposition research so i wanted to hear it out. >> any time you're in a campaign you get an offer from a foreign government to help your campaign, the answer is no. >> never did i think you'd see a piece of evidence that would be as much as a smoking gun as this e-mail. >> the president was not aware of this