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here in the cnn newsroom, thanks so much for being with me. i'm ana cabrera in new york. we begin this hour with president trump. he has the worst job approval rating since modern polling began. 37% approve of the way mr. trump is handlinging his job as president. the president tweeting this response. the abc/washington post poll although 40% is not bad at this time was just about the most inago our at poll around election time. >> that's not true. we were within 3 1/2 percentage
points. the president also tweeting today, about his former opponent, hillary clinton and her e-mails. perhaps an attempt to draw attention away from another batch of e-mails, those sent by donald trump jr. about that meeting with two russian nationals. i want to go to boris sanchez standing by in new jersey where the president is spending the weekend. some reaction to this meeting? >> that's right, anna, we've heard the president and some of his surrogates say this was a meeting anyone would take, in the heat of a campaign, trying to gain opposition research, negative information about your opponent. it seems now like the majority of the american people would not take that meeting. according to that abc washington post poll you cited. people were asked if they thought that meeting between donald trump jr. and a russian attorney were appropriate. 63% say they disapprove, that
meeting was inappropriate. 23% approve of that meeting. it's a story not likely to go away any time soon. part of the reason it's not going away any time soon is because of these three investigations. the house senate committee looking into ties between the russians and the trump campaign. you had two lawmakers calling for donald trump jr. and others in that meeting to testify under oath. here's senator mark warner and susan collins. >> i would like to hear from all these individuals whether we'll be able to get the russian nationals to come over and testify is an open question. those people that they have jurisdiction over, i want to
talk to to all of them. >> we need to get to the bottom of this, the only way we're going to do it is to talk to donald trump jr. and everyone who was involved in that meeting. that may be difficult in the case of the russian nationals, but we certainly ought to try. >> reporter: now, the president is enjoying the rest of his weekend here in bedminster, new jersey before heading back to washington, d.c., later tonight. this week is supposed to be made in america week. despite that, you can bet the majority of the attention will stay on this slow trickle of information about the russia investigation. >> bore isz sanchez in new jersey with the president.
thank you. let's go straight to washington now for more reaction. camilla joins us now. she serves on the house judiciary committee. we just showed the latest poll of president trump's approval rating, 36%. that's not good news for the president or for republicans, but i want to show you another part of this same poll, when asked whether democrats stood for something or just stand against president trump 52% say your party stands against the president. have the democrats become the party of opposition? >> well, i've said for some time now we can't just be an opposition party, we have to be a proposition party. many of us have put forward a number of bills that are about our democratic agenda. fixing the pieces of health care that we need to fix to providing affordable college. what we have right now is a
situation where it was good to see senator collins and senator warner talk about the need to recognize the severity of the situation we're in. unfortunately, the chairman has refused to have a single hearing on any of these issues, and that's why i introduced along with my colleague a resolution of inquiry to force the judiciary committee to hold a hearing and find out the facts around comey's firing, jeff sessions recusal from anything that has to do with russia, and we're going to be amending that resolution of inquiry to include donald trump jr. as well. this is far above party. this is about our constitution, and it's about our democracy. whether or not there was foreign influence in our elections. >> hold your thought on that, i want you to take a look at another poll question, when you talk about this not being a partisan issue, this poll found
democrats, 80% believe russia tried to influence last year's election. look at that, just 33% of republicans who were polled think so. why is this becoming a partisan issue? >> we need the president to put the affairs of the country before his own personal issues, and we need the president in this position to be saying we need to get to the bottom of this, i am going to be doing everything i can. we're going to do everything we can to make sure we get the facts. >> are you surprised one in five democrats still don't believe it's a big deal? >> no, i don't think, so i think everybody is really trying to absorb these -- what's going on. and i have to tell you, it's difficult to keep up with it, but i think the reality is, there is a need for information -- that's what we're trying to get to is the facts. we need democrats and republicans to stand up, and those republicans in the house
and the senate who don't stand up and say, we at least need to get this information, they are enabling our democracy and constitution to be undermined, that's really what our resolutions of inquiry are designed to get at the house judiciary committee is the only committee of jurisdiction that has not held a single hearing. the senate judiciary hearing has. i swore an oath to protect and defend the constitution, and i'm going to continue to try to push our chairman to actually address this issue, let's have people in, and get to the bottom of this, let's make sure we don't say we don't have any jurisdiction over it, we do, and it's our responsibility to the american people. >> there are multiple congressional investigations underway already, you don't think those are sufficient?
>> no, it's always been written that numerous committees have authority in these situations. we have jurisdiction over the constitution. the amonthly u meants clause was put there because our founders were so concerned about foreign influences on our president, on our administration. you need to exercise that jurisdiction. both sides of the aisle said we need to be pursuing this investigation to its fullest. >> obviously these other intelligence committees, both the senate and house committees have discussed calling everybody who was involved in that latest meeting that was revealed between donald trump jr. and a couple of the other campaign aids as well as these russians who we learned were at the meeting, caught all those people before the committees to testify. of the different characters who were a part of that meeting,
with he know there were up to 8 people in the room. who do you think provides the most crucial testimony? >> that's a difficult question. jared kushner is going to be important. donald trump jr. is probably -- has already given us a lot of information that's disturbing. his reaction and response to the initial inquiry should have been to call the fbi, instead he said, i love it. give me that information, i love it, but i think really we're looking at every one of these people you have up on the screen is going to provide critical flfgs. certainly donald trump jr. jared kushner and manafort are going to be critical in there. but the russian side of the equation and what they do or don't say is going to be very important as well. >> there's a new line of defense from the president's lawyer on this don jr. meeting with the russians. the secret service shouldn't have allowed these people in if they were so nefarious.
what's your reaction to that? >> my reaction is, that i wish the president and his attorneys would just put the country first. instead of thinking about their own personal protection, and how they protect themselves against whatever might be coming forward, we need them to actually start to talk about what's right for democracy and what's right for the american people. it's troubling to me they continue to put up lines of defense. the idea that anybody would take this meeting. i thought david french said it best when he said, no, it's not okay to take that meeting, it's not okay to take that meeting, that is a clear indication of foreign influence, i think that what we're trying to do is get to the bottom of the facts, if there's nothing to hide, let us get the information, there may be nothing here, but at least let us understand and investigate that so that we can put this issue to bed and make sure we're preserving our constitution and democracy.
>> thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you. coming up, a republic congressman weighs in on the white house' ever changing explanation for donald trump jr.'s meeting with the russian lawyer last june. and mitch mcconnell delays a crucial vote on his health bill as new poll numbers show the new bill is unpopular. can the republican leader get this through? we'll discuss. they married some of the most barbaric criminals. many of these brides of isis are speaking up about love inside the group. thanks for being with us. you're live in the cnn newsroom. laquinta presents how to win at business. step one. point decisively with your glasses. abracadabra! the stage is yours. step two. choose laquinta. where you'll feel like the king of the road. check out our summer rates now at lq.com.
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officials in russia. here is where it all began. >> are there any ties between you, president trump and putin and his campaign? >> no, absolutely not, it's absu absurd. >> did you have any ties with anyone trying to meddle in our relation. >> these conversations never happened. >> why would there be any contact between the campaigns. >> a story nen, no one had contact with russia, and by no means did anyone try to included. listen to where we are today. >> i deal with the law, i'm the lawyer for the president, and campaigns involve opposition research. was the meeting and what took place legal or not, we, of course, as almost every legal expert says it's not illegal. >> let's talk about the shifting defense scott taylor who represents virginia's second
district is it with us now. he's a navy seil and iraq war veteran. thank you for your service. >> how do you explain to the american people a white house going from we never had meetings with russians, to sure we had meetings with russians, we were willing to accept their help, but it's not illegal? >> i watched the clip you just played. most of them, of course, the questions they were asking, they were asking them specifically if they're including with russia and all those things, look, i think there's no question there has been a shift in the stories, and people should be -- if there's something that's illegal here, people should be held accountable. there are political ramifications for shifting your story, no question about that. >> what are the political ramifications? >> yes, there are -- >> what are the political ramifications? >> well, like what we're talking about right now, right? so the president has a bold agenda he was elected on, this is what we're talking about
every day. there are political ramifications for it, i think if someone did something wrong, they should be held accountable for it. i also believe democrats are overplaying their hand on this. i watched my senator all day comment on this. there have been tons of investigations, there's ongoing ones now, that are going on. the polls you were talking to her about reflect exactly what most americans think right now. all they're doing is obstructing, overplaying their hand on this russia deal and not doing the work of the american people. so i think the polls rightfully the ones you referenced clearly speak to what's happening in washington right now. >> we're going to talk more about the polls in a moment. you also talked about accountability and taking responsibility. i want to take another moment to play another line of defense from the president's lawyer on this don junior meeting.
>> i wonder why the secret service allowed these people in, if this was nefarious. the president had secret service protection at that point. that raised a question with me. >> do you think the secret service is to blame for allowing that meeting to happen? >> no, i don't. >> the president's lawyer is there to defend him through and through. i'm not here to defend anyone, you're asking for my thoughts. i think it was a mistake, the meeting, of course. i think that it was handled incorrectly, we're talking about donald jr. who is not a member of this administration whatsoever. >> jared kushner was at the meeting, he is a member of the administration, he did fill out security clearance forms and nondisclosure meetings at least three times. >> from what i understand, he actually -- before this reporting happened, he amended that, to report this meeting. what i will say is, same thing, if someone did something wrong, if there was something here that
was illegal, okay, hold them accountable. and the proper authorities will do that, the proper authorities -- when they come on here, and talk about treason and all this crazy ridiculousness. that is -- the issue with what's going on right here, i think what's bad for the american people and how politicized this is, again, someone does something wrong, hold them accountable. what the real issue is here. >> does this white house not take responsibility? the evidence is black and white on the paper that don junior went into this meeting thinking he was going to get dirt on clinton. it was a meeting with a russian government lawyer, and it was an effort on behalf of the russian government to help his father during the election. >> again, i don't know of any illegalities at the moment. >> well, i -- >> let me finish, excuse me, let me finish. >> you answer my question, though. >> i understand your question perfectly clear. >> i'm not asking whether it was
illegal, i'm asking whether there's a sense of responsibility in owning that's what was believed to be going into this meeting. >> as i said earlier on your program already, i don't think the meeting was appropriate. that being said, a lot of things happen -- this is not an excuse because i said it was inappropriate. there are a lot of things that happen on campaigns, the dnc sought ukrainian information between the president. you're not talking about that, you should be. but if there's something -- if something needs to happen, they should be accountable. what's bad for the american people right now, you have folks coming on here saying it's treason, treason, treason. and you have folks in the administration not coming clean with everything. no question, what you're missioning here, what the american people are missing here is a policy that says to other nations around the world, they will not interfere with our election. no one's talking about that and they should be. there should be repercussions and consequences for any country
that tries to deal with the integrity of our elections. >> what's going on -- >> there's no policy coming out of this or even talk about it. >> i'm glad you went there. i wanted to ask you about this russian sanctions bill that's currently in the house. >> it passed quickly in the senate, 98-2. almost unanimous. it stalled in the house now. >> clearly on any kind of legislation, the senate has an idea -- the house has an idea. they're looking at it, there are a couple things they don't like from the senate. >> who's they. . you're a member of the house. >> let me finish what i'm saying. >> i do think there will be sanctions against russia for trying to attempt to meddle in our election i think they're working on the actual verbiage of the sanctions themselves. >> why do you think the russia investigation has become a bipartisan issue? >> 80% of democrats say this is
a big deal. the russia investigation. while only 33% of republicans believe so. >> congressman are you still with me? >> yeah, i'm sorry, i'm sorry. i think exactly what we talked about earlier, i think you've had the folks who are against donald trump, who have overplayed this issue, they made it almost ridiculous, when you're talking about treason. >> is the president wrong by calling it a hoax, not believing his intelligence community who concluded that russia was behind the election meddling? >> i believe that they were attempting to mess with our election, i do i think other countries are as well. it doesn't help if you have folks simply using that as a political baseball bat to hit the president and the president
not taking it super seriously, because he has the democrats saying treason and stuff like that. that doesn't help the folks it needs to help out, that is the american people, we have to have a policy moving forward so we can protect the integ relatety of our elections. >> thank you for coming on. >> thanks for having me. a critical week for the new health care bill is running into delays as john mccain is now recovering from surgery, can mitch mcconnell get the votes for his bill? we'll discuss live in the cnn newsroom. termites, feasting on homes 24/7.
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we're told he's okay. after seven years of promises, mcconnell can't afford to lose one more vote as he tries to rangel the 50 votes needed to pass this plan. the only thing more difficult than peace between israel and the palestinians is health care. he issued this warning to republicans. >> they have to do it. they have to get together and get it done. >> if they don't? >> i don't even want to talk about it, i think it would be very bad. i will be very angry about it. and a lot of people will be upset. i'm sitting, waiting for that bill to come to my desk. i hope they do it, they've been promising it for years. >> joining me now, lieutenant governor of south carolina, andre bower. also with us, bill press. does this new delay of the health care vote help or hurt republicans chances of getting to 50? >> i think it hurts it.
every day is a set back, i'm glad that speaker ryan has said they will stay, i appreciate the president has used his bully pulpit to talk about this, i'm not the biggest fan of them getting involved, democrats own this bill, it's a bad bill, it's continued to get worse and worse. >> you're talking about this bill? this bill is put together by republicans. >> yes, i know that. but obama care is failing. for the republicans to take it over and over it from the democrats. they need to show the difference in republicans and democrats. they're missing the boat here, they're not talking about reform, they're not talking about purchase across state lines, they ought to talk about how you can find out what the cash cost is versus the insurance cost, you can find out
how much it costs to have a procedure there before you do it. i want a totally different bill than this. i want the bill senator graham proposed sending it back to the states. i admire them for taking it on and discussing it. i would think the democrats ought to get in there and push what's important. this is their one opportunity to have some input. >> hold your thought for just a second, though. >> he says he doesn't like this bill, and a lot of americans agree with him. let's take a look at the latest polling. more people prefer the affordable care act to the proposed republican plan by a margin of two to one. john cornyn -- let me play what he had to say in terms of the rationale for these numbers. >> it's mainly because all they hear is the critics, the fact is, we know millions of people are seeing sky high premiums,
unaffordable deductibles and fleeing insurance markets, because insurance companies keep losing money, i'm afraid if we don't come to the rescue of those people, we will be left with our democratic colleagues wanting to bail out through billions of dollars to insurance companies without any reforms. >> bill, your response? >> wow! where do i start. let me start first of all, i'm glad to agree with andre, the republican health care bill in the senate is a piece of junk, it stinks and they should not pass it. the other thing, the ultimate irony is the senate is delaying so senator mccain who has the gold standard in health care coverage can come back to washington and perhaps vote for a bill that would deprive 22 million americans of their health insurance. no wonder people hate washington when you see that happening as do -- >> whether the bill passes or not, i don't know.
if i'm a republican i would hope the bill would not pass. they will own it they will own the bill that allows people to buy crappy plans for low money. doesn't do anything as andre said about prescription drug cost costs. it will cap medicaid and no future expansion of medicaid. 72 million americans will lose their benefits. is this what republicans really want to go into 2018 with? i would hope not. >> andre? >> i think bill's right. i think the play for republicans is to continue to let it get worse before democrats come to the table. people are going to become more and more outraged when they're losing their insurance. you're going to have the public ready to hammer anybody that's not going to come to the table and at least have a discussion. i haven't seen the democrats. this is their opportunity when the vote's this close they say
can we want xyz included in this bill. look, i served in the legislature, i know what it's like, they could be working together, and they're not doing that. >> democrats are ready to work together. it's mitch mcconnell who has locked the door. you've been reporting this, you know this, this is not fake news. we only want republican votes. the answer is, if democrats -- republicans would just say stop, drop, repeal and say replace or mend it, don't end it, they could get 85 votes for this thing, to fix what's wrong with obama care, but don't throw the baby out with the bath water as a good conservative friend of mine told me about it this weekend. >> got to leave it there, thanks, gentlemen for coming on. >> thank you. >> happy weekend. at one time these women flocked to join isis fighters, lured by the romance and
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president trump is defending his eldest son on twitter today, as the questions are mounting about donald trump jr.'s controversial pre-election meeting with a russian lawyer. at least eight people attended that meeting, including ivanka trump's husband jared kushner, now a senior white house adviser. former federal prosecutor mark geragos is joining us. as well as special assistant to robert mueller.
9th meeting at the same he has manafort, sush ner, his son there. he's got people from russia who has a prior business relationship with from the miss universe conference. the people have to be cleared in through the secret service. trump is reported to be there in the offices at the time of this meeting. i'm not so sure when it comes to proving assertions the facts will bear him out. i'm not ready to accept him at his word. >> president trump fired off several tweets this morning, including this one. he says thank you to former campaign advisor for saying so powerfully there was no russian collusion in our winning campaign. here he is tweeting about the russia investigation again. mark, you think his lawyers are happy about this? >> no.
they aren't. i can tell you having been there, done that in these kinds of situations. he doesn't know everything that was in that closed session that he's tweeting about. he knows what the statement was when somebody came out. i wouldn't be, if i'm the lawyer i'm going to tell him you never know what goes on in closed session whether it's in front of a investigator, whether it's someone cooperating with the fbi or in front of grand jury. don't think what somebody says on the courthouse steps or the steps of congress is what they are testifying to. you also never know and this is one of things that drives lawyers crazy, you never know whose cooperating and who is saying what in order to get their head out of the noose, so to speak or the mouse trap. i understand that this is, the technique has always worked in business. this is one of great frustrations when you're defending businessmen because they always are the alpha dog,
the alpha male. they are controlling the situation. what they don't understand is that ultimately at the end of the day, when you're facing the gauntlet of federal investigators and federal attorneys coming at you and investigating you, the best thing you can ever do is just sit down and shut up. it doesn't help you. this isn't helping anyone's cause. >> i wonder how risky it is for him to fire off a tweet. seems like some of these could be a knee jerk reaction. if anything in those tweets turn out to be inaccurate, could that come back to haunt him, mark? >> yes. absolutely. they already made the statement several times that the tweets are official statements. could that be the basis for false statement? no. that's never the basis for a 1,001 false statement. if you're ever in situation where first of all pre-filing you're trying to convince somebody not to file a series of
tweets that seems to undermine what your then narrative or what the facts get developed are is going to be real problem. if you take him at his word and ten days ago he didn't know anything about this meeting and now all of this drip, drip, drip is coming out and he's learning all of this stuff. who knows whether -- it's the old ronald reagan. they told him about iran contra and he forgot. this is a situation where at a certain point you don't want to box yourself in and eliminate an exit strategy. >> michael, president trump's re-election campaign is paid $50,000 to the law firm now representing his son donald trump junior. on june 27th is when the payment was made. that's when he amended his security clearance form to reflect this undisclosed meeting. is that appropriate, that money going from the re-election campaign to a lawyer for his
son? >> if the expenditure from the campaign is on behalf of stuff that junior did on behalf of the campaign, then, yes, it is appropriate. if not, it's not appropriate. as i looked at the filings, there were two filings. one about two weeks before the second one, which is on june 27th. you had payments to this same lawyer, donald trump junior's lawyer as i read it before the revelations and then after the revelatio revelations. if it was before the revelations and it related to these meetings in anticipation of it, then that might imply knowledge on behalf of the campaign that something was ongoing. yes, it's okay if it's related to the campaign. no, if it's not related to the campaign. again, like all the things that mark and i are talking about, these are very fact specific determinations. they are hard to talk about in
terms of a prosecution or an impeachment article or anything like that in the abstract. there are red flags being raised here that will require mueller's close attention. >> let the investigation go where it will go. thank you both. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back. what's going on here? um...i'm babysitting. that'll be $50 bucks. you said $30. yeah, well it was $30 before my fees, like the pizza-ordering fee and the dog-sitting fee... and the rummage through your closet fee. who is she, verizon? are those my heels? yeah! yeah, we're the same size...in shoes. with t-mobile taxes and fees are already included, so you get four lines of unlimited for just $40 bucks each.
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