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will we ever find out exactly what president trump and vladimir putin talked about in that newly revealed g20 conversation? only three people know what was discussed. it happened at the end of a dinner with world leaders. the white house says it's all above board before after switching their story so much times when it comes to russia how much credibility does the administration have?
who served in moscow in the 1990s and let the cia's russia program for three years. i can't wait to hear your expertise on this. we are learning about that undisclosed meeting between president trump and vladimir putin at the end of the social dinner at the g20 on the same day they had their two-hour meeting. you say this is totally bizarre? >> i don't understand the rote to economically and the world, the road to new american jobs isn't through moscow. russia has the 12th largest economy in the world. new york state alone, california alone, texas alone is a larger economy than russia. thths amount of attention. and maybe it's incident.
there's no evidence of collusion here but it's strange he is so focused on putin and the disclosure problem. >> and if the conversation should be about anything it should be about terrorism and meddling in the election. >> yeah, i mean, look, the -- again, we have arab allies in the mideast. china is a bigger issue economically. why so much focus on russia by this white house? >> john, the white house says when president trump spoke to president putin they used a russian translater because the american translator did not speak russian. there is no u.s. documentation of this meeting. does that concern you? >> certainly concerns me. i am sure our translator speaks russian. the translator wouldn't keep moats any way. this wouldn't be any issue under another president.
but president putin obviously has a good take on president trump and he has a lot of experience in the international arena and president trump doesn't. so having them one-on-one is obviously of concern and of course politically when you have all of our allies there, again as david said, to spend all your time on russia it sends a bad signal when all of this is happening at home at the same time. >> are you surprised they didn't disclose this second meeting sooner? you say it makes president trump look strong? >>let break this down. this is through translation. he spent two-plus hours with putin beforehand, an hour here, that's three-plus hour that's 90 minutes in translation. they are talking about the election fraud issue, the meddling by the russians. the issue of russian activity in crimea. i presume they spent time talking about syria and north korea. that's a lot of turf to cover.
we have a president who pays little attention to health care in terms of detail. make maybe he got into nittay gritty with putin. why is it a bad thing have a lengthy discussion with vladimir putin if he discussed detail? maybe there's a problem here but i don't see it. >> the summit occurred just after north korea launched what is said to be an intercontinental ballistic missile. and the amount of time he spent with putin is more than with president xi of china. i don't understand, again, this focus on russia all this time in terms of geo politics. russia is poernt bimportant but are more issues. >> i can see going through translation, 90 minutes to talk to one of the top ten leaders
around the world to talk about issues especially syria, i say 90 minutes because it's in translation. i don't see why we are spending so much time on this. >> let's talk about this donald trump jr. meeting. cnn identified the eighth person in that meeting in june. he works for the agalarov's firm. he claimed no long doing and is not charged with a crime. why are we just learning about him now? >> this gets back to disclosure. this could be the meeting that nothing came out of it. but to start out with the description that it started with children being adopted and it has grown to eight people. and now this close associate of them is attending the meeting as
their representative. so again, it's a communications problem, a public relations problem for this administration, the drip, drip, drip of russia stories. could they just disclose who was in the meetings. and again they could be innocent of collusion but by not disclosing these things, the story continues and continues. >> interesting. so phil let's see, in that room we have a russian lawyer who may have tied to the kremlin. though she denies it. a russian/american lobbyist who is accused of hacking a company an one person accused of money laundering though that was dropped too all in the same room with kushner, manafort and don junior. and it wasn't disclosed. >> this is about dirt, a four-letter word in washington, d.c. there are a few things that can corrupt you, sex, money, power. this is about power. guess what happened here, don,
the lawyer who wanted to talk about adoptions knew that would not get her in the room. she said i have to promise them dirt. she comes in with lobbyist who have creditability with don junior because they know him from before and they say we have access with the son of the potentially incoming president of the united states and we want as many people in that room as possible. there's a chance that access will grow over time. this ain't about adoptions but about power and dirt and looks simple to me. >> john do you disagree with that? >> i do. this has the hallmarks of a russian intelligence operation. it suggests a preexisting relationship. think about this sort of like dating. if this is the first reach out to someone you wouldn't want to be that aggressive for fear they would back off or say no. this meeting, what's interesting is not so much what happened in the meeting or that it took
place that the meeting took place and don junior and manafort and those people did not bring the fbi. that sends a powerful signal to moscow that i put bait in the water, you took the bait. you had chance to tell the fbi. that's whey you send access agents in case the fbi is there. the fact they didn't tell the fbi you sent a signal you are willing to play ball and compromise yourself and the russians would think about how to move forward from there. >> what are you saying? is it the hallmarks of trying to see if you can be -- if you're susceptible to this? john? >> you're asking me? >> yes, sir. >> exactly. so, i use the dating analogy and it's inelegant. but this is sort of what an intelligence officer does. an intelligence officer is trying to develop a relationship with someone to see if they can move that relationship
increasingly in a conspiratorial way. and the luciarussians could have eer either way. they send the e-mail. the fact they agreed to the meeting and had the meeting, nobody got arrested and nobody got in trouble sent a signal to the russians that it's worth taking the next steps to see if they are willing to work against the interests of your own country. >> it sounds like you're saying the same thing but phil is saying they needed dirt to get them in the room do it. am i reading that correctly? >> mud is saying they only needed dirt. i'm half way there with john. regardless if you think the russian orchestrated this, there is one clear signal here.
jay sekelow is saying nothing illegal happened here. but even if they heard about the meeting afterwards that a political player in the united states, the potential president is willing to accept dirt from a hostile foreign intelligence power. what is the lesson? let me direct my intelligence resources against the democratic party to collect information so i can feed that into a campaign. i don't care if that is legal or not, it's not what we want in american politics. >> thank you, gentlemen, when we come back, the inside story of team trump. what chris christie did on election night that made trump furious and may have cost him a job in the trump white house. ouu better value by having better values? at blue apron, we work directly with more than a hundred family farms. so instead of spending on costly middlemen and supermarkets,
an explosive new book goes inside the relationship between president trump and his chief strategist steve bannon called devil's bargain. here's to discuss brian stelter, matt lewis, tara palmieri and a former spokesman for breitbart news. this is juicy. let's talk. joshua green's book is full of anecdotes from the campaign. here's what he told anderson
cooper about how chris christie got chewed out on election night. >> he had been irking people in the inner circle. christie was smothering the president and on election night christie arranged with obama's people if trump won, obama was supposed to call christie's cell phone and he would hand it to trump and trump didn't like that christie was inserting himself in this pivotal moment and he's a germophobe and lashed out at christie. he disappeared pretty quickly. that moment in the days that followed he wound up going from being in charge of the transition and maybe ticketed for a job like attorney general to being completely on the outs, sent back to new jersey. >> chris christie was trying to dominate the moment and the offering of a germ-laden phone
to a president who doesn't like germs. >> this explains the mystery around christie, putrump and afr election night. joshua green is very well sourced. it's one of the first books that led up to the election. number one on amazon today. they are taking us behind the scenes. and i saw christie disputing this specific story. and his argument rings true if you think about it. this was going to be barack obama calling donald trump if he won. basically not a concession, does anyone think that donald trump would be upset about receiving a call after he won. it sounds like a great book. that one i -- >> i don't want to touch your phone. >> it's right there, don. >> but i have to ask you, this is another story. there is a warning here about the words that are being spoken.
maybe you can infer. this one is about house speaker paul ryan who bannon feared would try to take the nomination from trump and green writes that bannon used his role as head of bright bart news and wage a foul-mouthed assault on him calling him a limp dm-fer who was born at a petri dish at the heritage foundation. what do you think of that? >> the limp and then the m-f thing are contradictory. i don't think you can be both. >> thank you, matt. it's late night. this rings true to me. we know that -- >> this is bannon. >> it sounds like steve bannon. >> he doesn't like paul ryan. and the thing that interests me is that it happened at the heritage foundation? that is a weird place to drop
this -- >> he was a petri dish at the heritage foundation. >> but when we think about all of the internal rivalries and politics in the republican party, bannon versus ryan this is something to keep an eye on as they try to get this health care bill through. >> curt you worked there, what do you think? >> this is vintage steve bannon. at the end of last year as the campaign was heading to the closing sides on the pages of breitbart there was a headline that paul ryan was colluding with hillary clinton at the expense of donald trump. and i think brian is right this is the -- one of the more consequential relationships to watch. and at some point i fully expect to there to be a turn against paul ryan. steve has made it no skrecret ty
don't want ryan in as speaker. they had the idea to replace the leadership figures with people that were aligned with them. paul ryan is part of the establishment in the republican party that steve wants to destroy. >> interesting. listen, i have to say this before i get to tara. we have asked steve bannon to appear on cnn and he always declines. but we would be happy to have him on. steve bannon came on to lead the campaign after paul manafort got fired. in the book, green tells of a donald trump blowing up at manafort after a negative article came out in "the new york times" and said this about making tv appearances. you have to go on tv to talk about me, trump shouted. you treat me like a baby. am i a baby to you? i sit there like a little baby and watch -- watch tv and you
talk to me am i an fing baby, paul? >> am i funny, like ha, ha, right? >> but it's well-known that aids ta -- aides talk to the president through tv. >> i have heard from many aides that trump does have a salty mouth and he has used that foul language not just on paul manafort but on steve bannon himself. he's undressed him in front of other aides as well. and has down it to his chief of staff regularly. he has a direct way of speaking to his staff and would be attracted to steve bannon because he has the same style as well. at the end of the day, aides feel like they have to manage trump in some ways and they
think the only way to plant an idea is to say it through the media or make him think it was his idea which, is you know, very typical when you are dealing with someone who tends to think they have the best ideas. but trump does rely on steve bannon. he carries the torch for his base and has the heart of the people that he is supposed to be delivering the campaign promises for and steve keeps him on track. and steve knows and trump knows they need each other and steve actually does need steve and he could turn breitbart on trump and that could be damaging to him. >> are we surprised though, that foul language was used? the campaign? does gambling happen in las vegas. >> it is helpful to hear about it. >> people write these books all the time. the clinton people were not happy. they talked about the behind the
scenes in that. we're going to talk about, let's see, megan kell. his treatment of women. all of that was written about in this book. we'll be right back. [music playing] across the country, we walk. carrying flowers that signify why we want to end alzheimer's disease. but what if, one day, there was a white flower for alzheimer's first survivor? what if there were millions of them? join us for the alzheimer's association walk to end alzheimer's. register today at alz.org/walk.
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especially where kelly pressed him and bannon called her pure evil. >> pure evil. this would partly explain why breitbart is very frequently very critical of megyn kelly. they still publish stories about ratings. never skips an opportunity to criticize megyn kelly. speaks to bannon and his seeking media targets. the president is anti-media attacks. kelly was an early preview of what this presidency was going to be like with these attacks against the media. this book has fresh insight about how bannon thinks about the press. trump doesn't have much else to celebrate but his attacks on the media. >> but it also shows you that steve bannon is more interested in attacking figures that are more center right than the left. there's nothing bad about nancy pelosi but attacks on paul ryan, megyn kelly. that's what what steve bannon
likes. that's one of the big things that breitbart has done is this struggle between the paul ryans of the world and the donald trumps of the world. >> and what did we see today? donate a dollar we'll give you a fake media, fake news bumper sticker. it's ridiculous but it's also outrageous these daily attacks and this is straight from bannon. >> they're also going after jeff blake. a republican senator. it's media, it's the center right. it's not really the left that much. >> it reminds me of my dad when i hear him say fake news and then he said bozanga and you're like you've said that 14 times. every time i come home you've been telling me the same story. it just gets old after a while. who cares. i don't care. we shouldn't care. go on. who's that? curt? >> it reveals there's a certain
amount of pettiness that really drives both steve bannon and donald trump in that they are so consumed and obsessed with demeaning and beating down anyone they feel has slighted them at any point in life. it's breasting. they crave and want the acceptance so much of the main stream press, they want the admiration of all these people. all these people that have shunned them. no one took them seriously. they feel so slighted that they are obsessed with trying to get everyone else to come around to the idea they have been right all along. i have never seen people wanting the praise from the people they are attacking. >> well, that's what people in the middle of the country may not understand or people not in new york city or a media center is that he craves media attention. that's part of the reason he's so upset with cnn because cnn should do all positive stories.
he sees cnn as a institution like coca-cola, like xerox. and he, like, he loves stars. he wants to be a part of that. someone who doesn't shower love on him gets him upset. that's a good way to put it, it's petty. it's beneath the dignity of the office. bannon came wielding enormous influence over the president but found himself on the outs after being put on the cover of "time" magazine after being touted as being the master manipulator. >> bannon had a lot of influence. i don't think he was ever the puppet master he was portrayed as being. he was trump's idealog and his pit bull. and it enraged trump, obviously because eventually it cost bannon a seat on the national security counsel. he got put in the dog house and didn't get out until a months ago.
>> that was because of the public perception? >> everybody i talk to, yeah, trump does not want to have anyone costarring alongside him in his presidency, particularly not someone who is seen as pulling trump's puppet string. >> co starring, right, since he came to prominence in a big part because he's a reality tv star. but bannon was rumored to be getting fired. he's still there but is as powerful? >> he's kept a low profile and he has someone from outside of the administration who helps manage inquiry. there's obviously a lot of interest in him as a person and he has a following. but her role as a publicist is to keep him out of the press because being him in the press does not serve him in any way. any spotlight doesn't help him with his agenda. one criticism i hear from his colleagues, a lot of them say he
is a person in his office has a white board with all the campaign promises and he wants to go through all of them and cross them out. he is the one that is keeping trump on track but he gets distracted easily. and while he has great ideas he is not a great executer in the same way as other aides and he is often losing battles over the way the policy should be moving forward. he has a big team under him. he has five people. he has two deputy assistants. a body man, two other assistants. he has five people underneath him. he has a war room. but he doesn't want the press. >> you have learned about the next "people" magazine cover? it comes out tomorrow. >> this is "heartland" magazine.
celebrity magazine. and the banner that says trump family secrets and lies. so it's another example of the torrent of negative press not just about the president but about don junior, about erik, about ivanka. there's a quote in the magazine from a source saying don junior is miserable having his dad run the country and after the last ten days and all this speculation, i can't blame him. >> think about it all of you, if you were a very wealthy family, the family business, you could basically do whatever you want, fly around your private plane. nobody asked you questions. nobody dug into your personal business and life, why would you want to be the president of the united states or the first family. >> or to be the first family. right? >> that's why they're so bad at this. >> seriously. >> they've lived in that bubble for so long. they're used to not being challenged they're used to not being scrutinized.
they're used to being able to do whatever they want. it was their brand and what they say goes. whether it was true or not. now they're not in that situation. >> they didn't even have to report to share holders or a family business. >> but it's been six months and it's been two years since the campaign began. so at what point does the novice argument start to fade away? >> we shall see. in "30 rock" i want to go there. i want to go back to there." i think that's -- i want to go to there. back to the way it used to be. coming up, new details on another deadly police shooting. why was a bride to be kaled by a police officer after she called 911? what if we could bring you better value by having better values? at blue apron, we work directly with more than a hundred family farms. so instead of spending on costly middlemen and supermarkets, we can invest in the things that matter most: making farmland healthier. cutting down on food waste.
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joining me to discuss, the "minneapolis star tribune," the lead reporter on the story, andy manx. the minnesota department of public safety, the bureau of criminal apprehension released new videos. what can you tell us? >> there's still i think a big appetite for an explanation that helps us make sense of it. what we're able to find out today was in some sense confirming what we had already gotten from sources over the past couple of days but giving us a skeleton chain of events that happened, which is basically justine, this woman, calls 911. she believes there's possibly an assault taking place near her home. the officers show up. we're a little bit unclear. but there was a loud noise. it might have been fireworks, might have been something else but it put them on edge and suddenly the woman, justine
comes up to the vehicle, to the driver's side and the passenger, officer noor shoots out the window, so across his partner and hits her in the abdomen and she died on the scene. >> unbelievable. and officers are looking to talk to a man on a bike? right? >> yeah, it's a little unclear. i mean, there aren't many witnesses. you know, we have the officer harety. we have the officer who shot and we have the woman who is dead. so they're looking for any witnesses. there was a guy that came by on a bicycle but unclear how much he actually saw. so they're trying to track him down because that's the only other person they know of in the area. >> and the officers didn't have their body cameras on and their squad camera was off as well. what is standard procedure in minnesota? what should have happened? >> it's unclear. you know, there are certain incidents if they are doing a traffic stop or making an
arrest, they would have to have them on. this they can turn them on when it's appropriate. you think when an officer's drawing their gun, that's something you want to record. that's what the body cameras are for. so unclear exactly if policy was broken but certainly a lot of questions about whether or not they were following procedure. >> so take us there. what's been -- what's the reaction like? i know we see family and friends and holding press conferences and they are sad and grieving, but what is the reaction like from the community? >> like i said, just a lot of people who are angry, you know, curious on what happened on its face. we got more information today but we didn't have much to go on for the first few days. not a lot from law enforcement. so, you know, on its face you have a woman who calls police because she thinks a crime is occurring and they show up and shoot her and kill her. that sends a very troubling
message to law-abiding citizens. so people are really trying to make sense of that. some other context. we had the shooting of philando castile in the suburbs, a different police department. you remember that because the passenger, his girlfriend facebook streamed a lot of that, the aftermath. so that officer was charged with a crime and went to trial and was acquitted just a few weeks ago. before that we -- this is going on about a year and a half ago, an unarmed black man shot by minneapolis police and killed. so that was -- in that case no charges for the officers. but all of these have created a response where community members are questioning police, questioning use of force. questioning training. so for this to come in such a short time period from those
other incidents, you know, a lot of strained relationships between law enforcement, city officials and the community. >> what can you tell us about officer mohamed noor, the officer involved in the shooting? he's been involved in the department for 21 months? >> fairly new to the adopt. 31 years old. he's somali. i'm not sure exactly was he born here or maybe came as a young man. but very much celebrated for diversity in the department. as far as we know he was a good police officer. he had a few open complaints with internal affairs but no discipline on any of those, no resolution. there was a lawsuit against him related to and incident where he detained someone and brought her to a hospital but no resolution on that either. so none of them we can draw too much conclusion. it's not like he has a long history of being violent or
anything like that or at least we are aware of or can confirm. >> thank you, sir. >> thanks for having you many. >> i want to bring in mark o'mara, wes lawrie, an author. and david clinger, the author of into the kill zone. where do we start, mark? why is there such a lack of transparency in this case? >> in one sense i'm okay with him doing the job properly. because although we want to hear every snippet we get, it needs to be done in a good way. having just said that, i'm getting frustrated that they are starting to let out these snippets. that there was a noise. i even saw a report one of the officers was quote startled by it.
i don't like the fact it's been let out in snippets. but i'm much more concerned with what seems to be an obvious violation of the policy. we've talked about the need for body cameras and it's unconscionable that neither had their body cameras or the dash cameras rolling because at the very least they were coming in a situation at night where they were looking into a potential sexual assault. we should have had body cameras on and this now needs to stand as a case to show every cop should have a body camera and every cop should have it on when they are interacting with the public. at least then we would have some evidence. >> i see you nodding your head there, wes. why wouldn't these cameras be operating? especially given what we've been dealing with the last five or so years, at least what's been in the news? >> of course. now as mark says because we know so little, right?
we're reading tea leaves based on statements that the officers have put out from one of the two officers. so the precision of what was going on or was not we don't have it yet. i can foresee or understand that perhaps depending on what these officers had been told why they may not have -- if this call had come into them we have a complaint, someone thinks they're hearing someone outside why they might not have their body cameras on yet. why they might not be running. this is something a lot of police unions talk about about when are they supposed to be on verses not. obviously we know now there was a use of force. but i would assume both officers were not expecting to have to use force or that one of the officers would. it speaks to some of the difficulties with body cameras. we've seen the preponderance of body cameras. thousands of departments starting to use body cameras
since 2014. but what we've yet to see is a full set of best practices of when they should be used and beyond that, had there been a camera in this case, there's huge questions about whether the public or the family would be able to see it. >> and maybe they should be turned on automatically. they should be triggered by something automatically. david, what did you say? i'm sorry, mark? >> they have a policy in place and the policy suggests in an event which could become critical that you should use it. a traffic stop for example. so i would think that if a traffic stop is enough that an event if you are showing up at night for a complaint of a potential event, at the very least they were poorly trained. officer noor is going to be looked at very closely and if he happens to be an officer that who has not properly utilized
his camera like he was supposed to because we know how often officers are supposed to use their cameras. this needs to be a learning point for officers when they have cameras they have to use them. >> david, what is your response to this? what do you think? >> real quickly. i basically agree with the notion that body cameras are a good thing. however, one of the key issues people don't seem to think about is the privacy rights of citizens. that is something that bothers me. perhaps, just perhaps, if you think about it if you are a police officer getting a call to a sexual assault and you see a female flagging you down, potentially, maybe this is my sexual assault victim. i don't want a body camera on. u i don't want to get information and someone has access to that. maybe that could be an explanation. the shooting is a whole other thing and i have problems with
things going on with that. and the second thing is i have colleagues around the country doing studies on body cameras and we know it's taken time for officers to know when they should turn it on and off and so on and so forth. i agree with mark's point this should be an example of we need to think more thoroughly about this and get the officers on the ball more rapidly. >> mark disagrees with part of what you're saying. we'll hear from him on the other side of the break. >> sure. i know i have spots. sunscreen... sunscreen would have been a very good decision. [laughs] ♪
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and back now with my panel. david was making a point about the body cameras and mark you disagree with him about that? >> a couple things. yeah, i certainly understand it. there are a couple of problems with body cameras. one is storage of the data. and then redaction. so i understand the logisticical concerns. i don't -- i disagree with david
that an officer can make this determination i may be coming a upon a sexual assault event and turn the cameras on. it should be on any time they interact with the public. granted i agree if in fact it catches something of a victim of a sexual assault, so be it. but that's not the right basis to say we're not going to be retaining the evidence. >> as long as there are provisions in the state where it can be redacted i have no problem with that. but i -- i responded to three or two depending how you want to count them, rapes in progress as a young police officer many years ago and i remember those very vividly and none of the three women wanted to have anyone see them in the conditions i found them in. >> agreed but as law enforcement and knowing that you have to
prove that case in front of a jury, having that video is significant evidence that would help a conviction. wouldn't it? >> i don't disagree and i don't want to get too far afield because i think it's a little bit of a red herring versus the core issue. >> which is what i want to talk to wes about here. and he -- before i get to wes, david, you can weigh in, this guy, the officer is accused of shooting across his partner sitting in the passenger seat. you train officers. you would not train officers to do that, would you? >> there would be a narrow window where one could shoot across the body of another. but once again very narrow. but this doesn't seem in any way, shape, or form to fit that. it's one of those things never say never, but when i heard he shot across his partner i'm thinking this is just beyond bizarre. >> and the shooting is making front page headlines and
stirring outrage. not surprising considering the circumstances. >> not at all. the reality is you have two to three fatal police shootings each day. but certain cases obviously draw attentions and headline and they begin with people who are unarmed. we look to see if this person was armed? obviously not. this is one of only 24 women shot and killed by police. it's ununderstandable. but against it's not the only fatal police shooting this year. that it for us tonight. i'll see you back here tomorrow. we work directly with more than a hundred family farms. so instead of spending on costly middlemen and supermarkets, we can invest in the things that matter most: making farmland healthier. cutting down on food waste. and bringing you higher quality, fresher ingredients for less than you pay at the store. because food is better when you start from scratch.
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