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happening now, breaking news. back flip, president trump tells gop senators inaction on health care is not an option, a day after he seemed to acknowledge defeat, promising to let obamacare fail. tonight his new pish is complicated by a devastating new projection of how a republican bill could hurt tens of millions of americans. strong arming the senate republican leader is promising a health care skroet next week as mr. trump looks to flip critical no votes to yes. this hour, gop members who may be wave erring or about to meet on the hill. private conversation, the white house is refusing to reveal what was said during the president's second meeting with vladimir putin, denying the previously undisclosed session was kept secret. we'll look at the many unanswered questions about their
discussion. and readying launch, north korea appears to be getting ready for another ballistic missile test soon. we are tracking new intelligence on kim jong-un's regime and his goal of being able to strike the united states. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. wolf blitzer is on assignment. i'm brianna keeler. you're in "the situation room." >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. >> breaking right now, we are learning about a date for donald trump, jr. and paul manafort to testify before the senate. stand by for more information on that. also breaking, head spinning new twists as republicans try to revive health care legislation 24 hours after its stunning collapse. we are standing by for a meeting of gop senators under new pressure from president trump to get a bill passed. republicans getting chilling new information a short while ago as well, a new nonpartisan estimate
that repealing obamacare without an immediate replacement would mean 32 million more americans would be uninsured within the next decade, and costs would skyrocket. the bombshell coming after mr. trump urged gop senators not to leave town for their august recess until a bill is on his desk. this is a stark reversal, a day after mr. trump seemed to be giving up, saying he was ready to simply let obamacare fail amid mounting republican opposition. and tonight, senate majority leader mitch mcconnell said he'll hold a procedural vote next week aimed at moving health care forward. but so far there is no evidence he or the president has flipped any crucial republican no votes. also breaking, the white house is denying there's a cloud of secrecy surrounding president trump's second meeting with vladimir putin. spokeswoman sara huckabee sanders refusing to reveal what the two presidents discussed for nearly an hour at the g20 summit. some democrats are calling the previously undisclosed
conversation without any u.s. national security officials present deeply troubling. this hour i will talk about those stories and more with senator sheldon whitehouse. he is a democrat on the senate judiciary committee, and our correspondents and specialists are standing by for us. first, i want to go to cnn's ryan nobles, he has more on the rangling over health care. republican senators are meeting soon 0 over health care. this estimate, this cost about their bill, what is that going to do to this meeting? >> well, brianna, there is no doubt this makes the process a lot more difficult for republicans as they wrestle their way for an attempt to go forward on health care. this new score from the congressional budget office is another devastating score. it is on the plan just to repeal obamacare without a replacement. and the nonpartisan office predicts that the number of people uninsured would skyrocket and that the cost of premiums would go up as well. and it all comes at a time as senate republicans and the white
house appear to be moving back to plan a. tonight, a dramatic reversal from president trump on health care reform. >> inaction is not an option, and frankly, i don't think we should leave town unless we have a health insurance plan, unless we can give our people great health care, because we're close. >> reporter: the president pushing republican senators at the white house today to not give up on repealing and replacing obamacare. >> we're in this room today to deliver on our promise to the american people to repeal obamacare and to ensure that they have the health care that they need. we can repeal it, but the best is repeal and replace, and let's get going. >> reporter: this just one day after suggesting he was ready to let obamacare collapse. >> let obamacare fail. it will be a lot easier. and i think we're probably in that position where we'll just let obamacare fail. noor and the day before that, tweeting, quote, republicans should just repeal failing
obamacare now and work on a new health care plan that will start from a clean slate. demes will join in. tonight the president returning to his party's long-standing campaign pledge to repeal and replace the affordable care act. >> i intend to keep my promise and i know you will, too. >> reporter: and in an awkward moment, the president calling out nevada senator dean heller by name. heller, a key swing vote on health care, who recently became a target of a political action committee that supports the president. >> this was the one we were worried about. you weren't there, but you're going to be, you're going to be. [ laughter ] >> look, he wants to remain a senator, doesn't he? okay. >> reporter: the president's message was clear. there will be consequence for those who choose to block a bill from getting to the floor. >> any senator who votes against starting debate is really telling america that you're fine with obamacare. >> reporter: after the meeting, senate majority leader mitch mcconnell pledged to hold a vote to take up health care next week, expressed confidence he
would have the votes. >> we cannot keep the commitment we made to the american people to repeal and replace obamacare unless we get on the bill. next week we'll be voting on the motion to proceed. and i have every expectation that we'll be able to get on the bill. >> reporter: but even now it seems as though that goal of even giving the bill on the floor seems very unlikely for mitch mcconnell because even though the president made a big push today to these senators to try and come together and come with a plan to both repeal and replace obamacare, all the lingering divisions between the moderate wing and the conservative wing of the republican party still exist. they are going to attempt to hash it out tonight in a meeting that's going to take place in a little more than an hour. but, brianna, there is no doubt they have a long way to go. >> ryan nobles, thank you for that report. now to the breaking news on senate testimony by donald trump, jr. and former trump campaign chairman paul manafort. i want to bring in cnn's senior white house correspondent jeff zeleny.
jeff, a date has been set. this is going to be big. >> reporter: a date indeed has been set, brianna. one week, next wednesday, july 26, is the date that paul manafort, the former chairman of the trump campaign last summer, and donald trump, jr., the president's oldest son, will testify before the senate judiciary committee next wednesday. now, this is going to be a fascinating bit of testimony and it's going to be in public session. the committee is just announcing a few moments ago they are going to be part of 7 or 8 witnesses who will be questioned that day. but certainly they are the two who are the closest members of the president's inner circle and of course one of the things that the senate wants to ask about is that meeting from june of 2016 that we've been talking about so often. the meeting with the russian government, the lawyer, the lobbyist and others here. that is going to be the first opportunity that senators have to question them, next wednesday on capitol hill before the senate judiciary committee,
brianna. >> and the white house has been pressed on this, right? the second meeting with president trump that he had with vladimir putin. >> reporter: it is, it's another day, another explanation of a, of a russian related meeting here. but this is stemming from a meeting at the g20 in hamburg, germany, almost a couple weeks or so ago. we saw the meeting between the russian president and the u.s. president happening, but we are only learning now that there is another meeting that evening that actually happened. but the white house will not say what they talked about. here's sara huckabee sanders, the press secretary, taking questions this afternoon. >> they had a brief conversation and i'm not going to get into the specifics of the conversation. but, again, this was a social dinner where the president spoke with many world leaders, as is the purpose, i think it would be incredibly awkward for them to all sit at a dinner and not
speak to each other. and i would imagine that all of you would agree with that. >> reporter: so, she was pressed again and again, though, on what subjects were discussed, if it was election meddling, if it was syria, if it was russian sanctions or something else altogether. she sawed she simply didn't know and didn't have the answer there. but, brianna, the reason this is such an interesting issue to many national security advisors and folks on capitol hill in both parties is there was no u.s. official present there. this was a meeting that just happened to take place in the middle of a dinner here. the white house did not disclose it until 11 days after the fact, only after it had already leaked out. so, yet another russian meeting raising some controversy here again tonight at the white house. brianna? >> jeff zeleny at the white house, thank you. we are also getting some more information about testimony related to the russia investigation. i want to go to gloria borger now. give us the latest here. these are some new developments. >> yes, we are just learning from jared kushner's attorney
that jared kushner is prepared to testify in closed session before the senate intelligence committee on monday. that would be july 24th. there is a statement from abby lowell that says as mr. kushner has been saying since march, he has been and is prepared to voluntarily cooperate and provide whatever information he has on the investigations to congress. further, mr. lowell says, working with and being responsive to the schedules of the committees, we have arranged mr. kushner's interview with the senate for july 24. he will continue to cooperate and appreciates the opportunity to assist in putting this matter to rest. so, to repeat, that's closed door testimony before the senate intelligence committee next monday. so, brianna, you have a week of testimony coming up on some key people in this russia investigation. >> it's going to be very
interesting next week. >> yeah. >> i want to ask you a question. you may not know the answer to this, gloria, but i wonder if you think this may be an indication that robert mueller has already talked to jared kushner. has that been sort of the way we've seen things go? >> well, it's not necessarily that he's talked to him. it's very clear, though, that the committees and mr. mueller are cooperating. they do not want to step on each other in any way, shape or form. it may be an indication that mr. mueller says, go right ahead and talk to him and that could mean that jared kushner is not at the center of his investigation. or, as you point out, that he's already spoken with him. but i think that what we do know is that the committees are not doing anything to get in the special counsel's way. >> all right, gloria borger, thank you so much. >> sure. >> so much news going on here and i want to get more on all of this with senator sheldon whitehouse. he's a democrat on the judiciary committee. i mean, you hear there we have this price tag on the health
care bill, all of this testimony that we are going to see next week from paul manafort, donald junior, and behind closed doors jared kushner. testifying before your committee next week, donald junior and paul manafort, what are you hoping to learn from them, sir? >> well, i think it's important that we begin to get testimony under oath. there has been enormous amount that has been said publicly, but it's not under oath, which means that people are free to omit matters or lie with relative impunity. so, the american public has not been steadily getting the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. and a formal hearing changes that because testimony in a hearing is subject to false statement, prosecution, is subject to perjury charges. and, so, it's about time that we began to get some of these people under oath and i'm very
pleased that chairman grass lee and ranking member feinstein have organized this opening hearing. >> so, what are the key questions that you would like to ask? i mean, for instance, donald junior seemed to have different initial explanations of this meeting at trump tower. are you going to try to square what -- you know, folks behind donald junior say no, he didn't have two different stories but it's clear he did. are those the kind of things you're going to try to square? >> i think there is going to be a lot of interest in a variety of different issues. i will be down the row a little bit in terms of the order of questioning. so, you've got to be flexible and be able to ask meaningful questions that aren't redundant with ones that were just asked by other colleagues. so, we'll be working our way through that, but i think it's important that these people start to be put under oath. because there's been too much said that simply hasn't been
true. >> what was the process of this being a public hearing? was that something that the committee asked for? was that something that donald trump, jr. and paul manafort asked for, do you know? >> i think it's our default proposition in the judiciary committee that these hearings should be public. the only reason not to have them be public is if we are dealing with classified information. here we are not dealing, i don't believe, with classified information. so, the public should see what's going on. the purpose, as our recent bipartisan hearing on how you do a congressional investigation in parallel with a criminal investigation showed, is that the value of a congressional investigation is that the people of our democracy can be kept up to date with what's going on and provided testimony that is under oath and, therefore, under a higher obligation of truthfulness. >> have the e-mails and the information that we have learned about this meeting contradicted
any of the testimony that you've heard so far? >> we have not had them in so far so we don't have testimony yet. so, we don't have contradictions. but the public statements that have been made, particularly about the meeting with the lawyer of veselnitskaya, they have all contradicted each other. just keeps dribbling out with new and different facts, in the same way that we just learned about a new russia meeting between the president and putin over at the g20. so, this will be an opportunity for folks to begin to get their stories straight and to tell, as we like to say, the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. >> the committee has been coordinating with robert mueller, the special counsel -- the default position by congress has been to sort of make sure that everyone is staying in their lane and to defer to robert mueller when it comes to that. >> absolutely. >> so, this is testimony from paul manafort and donald trump, jr. that was okayed by the special counsel. how do you feel about the level
of cooperation that you've been getting from bob mueller's team and from republicans, too? >> i think it's good. we're still in the opening stages, so we'll see how things go. but i do think that bob recognizes that congress has a really important role and wants to see us do it effectively. we want to make sure that we are not inadvertently damaging anything that he is doing. there are all sorts of ways we could inadvertently blunder into something if he had a cooperating witnesses, for instance, if he hadn't disclosed, they may come into a committee, they would have to reveal they are cooperating in order to answer a question truthfully and that might prejudice their investigation. there are things like that we need to work out in advance. but so far it has been a good process, respectful on both sides. >> senator, glenn simpson, one of the people who hired a former british spy to write what is now become an infamous dossier about donald trump, is also going to testify before your committee
next week. we are just learning this. what do you want to hear from him? >> well, i think there will be challenges from the republican side to the dossier and to its veracity. and, so, we'll be interested in seeing how he defends himself. in my view, while there were parts of the dossier that seem to be typographical mistakes and there were assertions, particularly some very salacious assertions that could not be proven, of which there was no further evidence, in all the areas where elements have been checked and double checked there was a lot of truth in that dossier, and more needs to be run down to see whether it's all true. but like a lot of early intelligence dossiers, you're not providing your client the final facts. you're applying what you're hearing out there and you have to go on from there.
but i think we understand that that dossier was constructed in good faith by a professional and is not a forgery, and is legitimate insofar as it is the document that it purports to be. >> yeah. >> although some of the allegations obviously are not proven yet. >> yeah. and certainly republicans will certainly challenge, as you said, some of what you just said right there. in advance of donald trump, jr. testifying next week, are you going to ask him to turnover cell phone or other records or e-mails from around the time of this meeting that he had with the russian lawyer and other russians? >> there is a document request that has been prepared at the committee level and it is not clear at this point that all of the documents requested will be provided in time for this hearing. we'll see how that plays out. but do remember that nothing
prevents the committee from resummoning a witness as further evidence develops. >> in light of jared kushner meeting next week behind closed doors with senators and what you have learned about what he omitted from his clearance paperwork, he is the only person who was in this meeting at trump tower who is now serving in the white house. do you think that he should have security clearance to be currently in classified briefings or do you think that his permanent clearance should be revoked when the decision comes time? >> well, i've been part of the request to have his clearance reviewed. i think there is certainly serious cause for concern about the appropriateness of him having those security clearances. but -- and we've had no answer to that, by the way. at least not that i'm aware of. so, it's hard to make a final
conclusion when whoever would be arguing that he should keep his security clearance hasn't had the chance to make that case. but, on the other hand, if they're refusing to make the case and refusing to answer that, then i think the default proposition is that he should lose the security clearance. ielgt either make your case as to why he should keep it or give it up and we've heard neither at this point. >> just a bit of housekeeping to make sure we have this right. knowing that donald trump, jr. and paul manafort have been invited to come before the committee, have they confirmed that? is this perfunctory? >> if something emerges between now and then so they change their minds, that's always a possibility, but i believe it is the committee's expectation that they will attend and that that is based on contacts with their representatives. >> all right, paul manafort's
representative has told cnn no comment, but your expectation, again, is that having the committee spoken with representatives of both men, both manafort and donald trump, jr. are expected to participate? >> we expect them to attend the hearing. >> if you can stay with me. it is a busy day here in the situation room. we'll be right back. hey. pass please. i'm here to fix the elevator. nothing's wrong with the elevator. right. but you want to fix it. right. so who sent you? new guy. what new guy? watson. my analysis of sensor and maintenance data indicates elevator 3 will malfunction in 2 days. there you go. you still need a pass.
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russia investigation. we'll talk about that, and also this. white house senior advisor jared kushner, he's scheduled to appear before the senate intelligence committee now in what's going to be a private session on monday. and donald trump, jr. and former campaign chairman paul manafort, they are scheduled to testify before the senate judiciary committee next wednesday. we are going to talk more with the senator about all of that in just a moment. right now, though, cnn justice correspondent jessica snyder has more on the russia probe. tell us the latest on this. >> reporter: well, brianna, we learned that eighth person in the room at trump tower for that meeting is ike kaveladze. they question why he was in the meeting to begin with, with donald trump, jr. they insist the businessman's presence in the tower in the june 2016 meeting was innocent.
>> he was actually to be a translator, interpreter for the russian lawyer who speaks no english. >> reporter: sources tell cnn he was there to represent his employer, russian billionaire. in a facebook post, former michigan senator carl levin pointed to a congressional prone in 2000 where the government accountability office looked into numerous corporations and bank accounts established by him on behalf of people in russia. levin said kaveladze set up 2000 corporations and bank accounts where the owners of those accounts then moved some $1.4 billion through those accounts. kaveladze was never criminally charged. he denied any wrongdoing and claimed he knew all of the entities who set up the accounts. but levin called him a poster child of this practice and senator mark warner said kaveladze involvement with that 2000 congressional investigation is part of a colorful past that
should raise suspicion about his presence in the meeting. >> i doubt if this individual who had a history of setting up thousands of fake accounts in delaware was really there to talk about russian adoptions. >> he was never implicated in any wrongdoing whatsoever. to say he has a colorful past is quite unfair and dishonest. >> reporter: kaveladze has agreed to cooperate with special counsel robert mueller as parliament of his ongoing probe with the interference in the u.s. election. he specialized in money laundering investigations. >> i think that bob has thought all along there is going to be some need to inquire of this money laundering movement and that's what i think is the beginnings of what we're seeing. >> reporter: meanwhile, the russian lawyer in the room, natalia veselnitskaya, tells kremlin backed news channel russia today she's happy to disclose details about her meeting with donald trump, jr. if she gets a guarantee her family will stay safe.
>> translator: let's put it this way. i'm ready to clarify the situation behind this mass hysteria, but only through lawyers or testifying before the u.s. senate. today i have to think of my safety first and foremost, about the safety of my family, my four children. >> reporter: and veselnitskaya has confirmed to cnn that she's willing to disclose details about that meeting with donald trump, jr., but she's holding back for now, not confirming what they talked about or if she left behind a document that was a detail first revealed by the russian-american lobbyist who was in the room. but possibly, brianna, she might disclose some of those details if she meets with senate or house investigators. >> it will be fascinating to see if she does that, if she's very genuine about fulfilling the pledge she gave. jessica snyder, thanks so much. we're back now with senator sheldon whitehouse. okay. so, senator, the special counsel investigators have now requested information from this eighth person that you just heard jessica's report about. in this trump tower meeting with donald trump, jr., with paul
manafort and with jared kushner, his name, as you heard has come up in this money laundering investigation. does your committee want to hear from him? >> well, i don't want to get ahead of the chair and the ranking member deciding who to announce we're going to be interested in. but i will make the point that his history with setting up entities that are associated with facilitating money laundering, particularly facilitating russian money laundering is very much at the heart of what everybody is concerned about here because through shell corporation llcs and through other dark money entities, there is a russian record of trying to influence politics in other nations and very likely in america. and also there is a russian record of trying to set up networks of corruption that they can then use to acquire political influence in other countries. and, so, at the very heart of russian election manipulation is
corruption and money laundering and now you have a guy in this meeting who has a history of setting up the kind of entities that are used to facilitate money laundering. so, it's getting interesting. >> so, when he says, or we hear from the lawyer for mr. kaveladze that he thought he was there to perhaps be a translator, although in the end the lawyer, natalia veselnitskaya, she brought her own translator it seems. so, you don't buy that story? >> well, i don't know whether to buy that or not at this point. i mean, you've got a meeting now with the son of the republican candidate, the son-in-law of the republican candidate, and the campaign chairman, manager of the republican candidate. you'd think you'd be prepared for that meeting and that you would know whether you're going in as a translator or whether you're going in for some other reason. it doesn't strike me that this
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we are following breaking news. president trump's son, son-in-law and former campaign manager all now scheduled to testify to congress next week as part of their various russia investigations. jared kushner is going to testify privately before the senate intelligence committee on monday, and then donald trump, jr. and paul manafort have been asked to appear before the senate judiciary committee next wednesday. i want to get more with our experts and with our analysts. okay, gloria, you've been following this. these are big developments here
in the last few minutes. >> right. abby lowell who is jared kushner's attorney put out a statement and said that mr. kushner has been talking to the committee since march when he voluntarily said he would -- when he said he would voluntarily testify. and they say that they are being responsive to congress and what they want to do and so it is going to be on monday. and this is going to be behind closed doors, however. and, so, mr. kushner, who at one point -- i think there was a thought he would testify publicly -- is now going to testify privately. and, of course, later in the week on wednesday, you have judiciary with paul manafort and don junior. >> why privately? if we thought he was going to testify -- >> i don't know whether that was at his request or whether it was at the committee's request. i can tell you, in talking to people who are close to him, i think the preference might have been that it be in a closed
session because i think they didn't want it to turn into some kind of a circus. but i think that it clearly is something the committee is willing to do privately. the question that i have is how much consultation has been done with the special counsel on this, right, dana? >> that's true. >> what are the sort of pros and cons of having it -- for instance, we saw a number of folks testify publicly and then they have a private session after. not even on the same day necessarily. it could be later. what do you make of this, that it would just be private? >> it could be the opposite this time. we don't know. it is the senate intelligence committee. of all the committees, they do tend to have the most private closed door sessions for obvious reasons. they tend to talk about the nation's secrets. in this case, though, you know, if you just kind of think about the pure and raw politics of it, you would think that jared kushner, if he had nothing to
hide, would want to come out in public. but, again, this is not negating the idea of doing it later. i think that it's interesting that after all of these months that all of a sudden next week you're going to have three of the main players testifying within 24, 48 hours, which is pretty remarkable now in the case of kushner, and gloria has been doing a lot of reporting on this, this is a long time coming. this is something that has been negotiated and has been going back and forth between jared's lawyers and the intelligence committee for months. >> and don't forget, he has had to update his security clearance form numerous times. and, so, i'm sure that will be part of their questioning, which is why did you leave some of these russia meetings off of your initial form, the subsequent form, and then now the updated form. >> bianna, gloria was getting to this point before where she said, what does this mean about the coordination with the
special counsel robert mueller. essentially, congress and all of these committees have allowed him to take the lead. they are not trying to step on his toes. they're trying to stay in their lane and defer to him. so, what does this tell you about the special counsel investigation that now you have paul manafort and donald trump, jr. testifying publicly? >> well, it does appear that mueller had been investigating manafort, maybe a bit longer than donald trump, jr. but obviously since word came out about that meeting last june, you have both of them now testifying. also interesting about the timing of it as i heard you say earlier, we didn't get a clear confirmation that manafort would indeed be testifying, but it has been presented that he is. and these two gentlemen don't necessarily have mutually aligned interests now. i mean, they're both private citizens. they're not in the administration, which is maybe one reason why they are agreeing to an open hearing. but you have manafort with years of history with the ukrainian
government and advocating as a lobbyist for them as well. don junior really entering the picture now for questioning given that meeting and of course the background we're hearing about his affiliation with the people who did come to this meeting. also interesting, who else is going to be at that hearing, bill broader from hermitage fund and he is the one behind the magnitsky act which was the call, the reason don junior initially said this meeting was set up and that she was talking about orphans, the orphans obviously a result of vladimir putin retaliating against the u.s., not allowing the adoption of russian orphans for the magnitsky act. so, it will be interesting to see this cross-section of these four gentlemen coming together. >> the magnitsky act, which is sanctions against certain folks in russia for human rights abuses -- >> 44 men, yes. >> very important vladimir putin
connected people in russia. ron, this is huge there are going to be these hearings next week. >> yeah. >> donald trump, jr., paul manafort, jared kushner. what does this tell you about perhaps a change in this investigation or where we are seeing it in terms of timing of this investigation? >> well, i think it's going to be a very long investigation. and in particular, you know, robert mueller has more capacity than the senate intelligence committee as they will tell you, particularly to follow the money, to follow the financial side. that has never been there expertise on the intelligence committee. but, brianna, i think bianna made a very important point there which is that the interests of these individuals may start to difficult verge, and that has been the case in other, as gloria knows and dana knows, in other washington scandals. when you start getting people under oath and in particular when there starts to be the possibility of criminal prosecution surrounding what they are saying under oath, that is when you often find cracks in whatever facade has been
constructed. and historically we have seen kind of that is where kind of the water seeps in and different people make different calculations. whether michael flynn or paul manafort or any of them. ultimately make a different calculation, whether they ultimately have anything different to say. historically i think we are now at that cruisable moment where the pressure on the united front becomes significantly greater. >> all of you on this panel, stick around for me. we have so much to talk about, a lot of breaking news tonight. next, a new estimate of the impact of repealing obamacare, a price tag. that's what we now have. what the numbers mean for senate republicans. ♪ buried just under the surface, the answer to it all. ♪ we want to need each other. ♪
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because it is just about the repeal. it's not the repeal and replace bill. and, so, the hope is that it will help show particularly the moderate republicans who are very concerned about people in their states, many of them have medicaid expansion, losing coverage to say, well, if it's just to repeal that my colleagues pass, my constituents are really in bad shape. let's come to the table and try to figure out a better replacement plan than what we have now. >> what did you think when you saw these numbers come out, gloria? >> they're not good and it does make the case for having a plan to go forward with. you know, the president has been all over the lot on this. first he was for the bill and then he was for repeal and he was for repeal and replace, he was for let the democrats take the blame. now i think he's back to repeal and replace. and i don't think you can get rid of a program and take dead s
the collision between less government is always better and the changing nature of their coalition, the fact that the republicans are heavily dependent on a lot of lower income blue col ar older and non-urban white voters, who need and have benefits, when you look at the model that would lose coverage, 80% didn't have a college degree, 70% were in a house somebody is working full time. 60% is white. you would not draw abell look a front line of the opioid crisis, which become heavily relied on medicaid to respond to that. all of those are places where donald trump dominated. all are big losers under the bill. and that i think is just, you
know, they never has been quite able to get around that big rock in the road. >> you look at these numbers, and i mean, gosh, they might make repeal and replace look good, but that's not saying a whole lot. >> well now it makes sense as to why the administration had been trying to shun the cbo and dismiss its reports now for the last few months, but at the end of the day, take a look at these bullets, these bills are extremely impossible. there is a reason why they cannot get enough support. with the president helping back and forth. he's not helping either. talking about the bills being mean, on the one hand say let's repeal, fought worry about replace, the next day publicly pressuring and callinging out republicans, not the smartest tactic for this president and also i think it says something in that he came out today and said he is going to continue with a cost sharing rebate. so that necessarily even though he talk about obama care blowing up will cope it going for the
next few months, at least. it will definitely cause more chaos. >> panel, thank you so much. we have much more breaking news ahead. ominous new signs of north korea, we are learning new details of what u.s. intelligence is detecting tonight. customer: thanks for coming, it's right over here. tech: giving you a few more minutes for what matters most. take care. kids singing: safelite® repair, safelite® replace.
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trouble. u.s. officials tell cnn that u.s. spy satellites are picking up indicators north korea is getting ready for another ballistic missile test. just two weeks after it stunned the world, launching its first intercontinental range missile, capable of hitting the united states. >> the north koreans are moving quickly to develop an intercan'tal ballistic missile capability. >> reporter: they say the latest satellite intelligence shows kim jong-un's regime is testing radars that would use launchs that could occur if two weeks. japan again showing the world its patriot missiles to defend against a north 83 attack. >> we are the lost bastion of our missile defense system. >> reporter: it's too soon to say whether it would be another icbm or an intermediate range missile capable of hitting somewhere in the pacific. the second highest ranking u.s.
military officer warning about a key north korean advantage. >> i'm reasonably confident in the aability of our spell jens committee to monitor the testing but not the deployment of these missile systems. kim john soviet union and his forces are very good at deception. >> reporter: the pentagon cautioning the july 4th icbm launch had its limitations on being able to hit a precise target in the u.s. >> what the experts tell me is that north koreans have yet to demonstrate the capacity to do the guidance and control that we would be required. >> reporter: but skeptics say north korea's missiles must remain a top priority. >> reporter: the u.s. has frequently underestimated north korea's capabilities when they have done some of their previous intermediate range missiles and some of their other, people were surprise thad they landed where north korea said they would land. >> reporter: and tonight, the u.s. also is keeping a sharp eye on a north korean submarine
about 66 miles off shore of the peninsula, not sure whether it may plan to do next. >> barbara at the pentagon, thank you, thank you so much for watching, erin burnett "out front" starts right now. >> "out front" next, breaking news, donald trump jr., jared kushner, palm manafor the scheduled to testify. what will they reveal about the meeting with russians. plus the white house refusing to give details about the second hour-long meeting between trump and putin, grand master gary kasparov is out front. devastating numberen on the republican's plan to repeal obamacare. trump changes his tune at least twice in two days. let's go "out front." good evening, i'm erin burnett. we begin "out front" with the breaking news -- we are learning donald trump jr.,al