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this is cnn breaking news. >> breaking news tonight on two huge stories. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. president trump unloads on his own attorney general, the fbi director he fire and the special counsel investigating it all. i want you to listen to what he tells the "new york times" about senator jeff sessions. >> sessions should have never recused himself. and if he was going to recuse himself, he should have told me before he took the job and i would have picked somebody else. >> he gave you no heads-up at all? >> zero. >> okay. >> so jeff sessions takes the job, gets into the job, recuses himself. i then have -- which frankly, i
think is very unfair to the president. how do you take a job and then recuse yourself? if he would have recused himself before the job, i would have said thanks, jeff, but i'm not going to take you. >> the president also accuses fbi director of james comey of using that infamous dossier as leverage over him, and issues a warning to special counsel robert mueller about delving too far into his family's finances. this comes as we're learning tonight dates are set next week for his son don jr., son-in-law jared kushner and former campaign manager paul manafort to testify under oath in the russia investigation. plus senator john mccain, patriot, presidential candidate, war hero, facing another battle, diagnosed with brain cancer. an outpouring of support tonight pour the senator. we have much more on that throughout this hour. but let's get right to "the new york times." patrick healy, a cnn political analyst also political commentator david swerdlick and
contributor john dean, the former nixon white house counsel. where do we start? why don't we start, patrick, let's start with we have more audio from the president's interview with "the new york times." i want you to listen to what he said about this undisclosed meeting with vladimir putin. here it is. >> she is sitting next to putin and somebody else. and that's the way it is. and toward dessert, i went down just to say hello to melania. and while i was there i said hello to putt tonight. really pleasantries more than anything else. it was not a long conversation, but it could be 15 minutes, just talked about things. actually, it was very interesting. we talked about adoption. >> you did? >> russian adoption, yeah. i always found that interesting. because he ended that years ago. and i actually talked about russian adoption with him, which is interesting because that was a part of the conversation that
don had with his meeting that i think as i said most of the people, you know, when they call up and say by the way, we have information on your opponent, i think most politicians -- i was just with a lot of people. they said who wouldn't have taken a meeting like that? >> okay. so let's just come back. did you hear what he said? >> yeah. >> if you think about the time ing of that, because he mentioned the adoption, you're not actually talking about adoptions. you're talking about sanctions. cnn and others are reporting that the meeting was actually an hour rather than 15 minutes or so, what do you think? >> the times reported the same thing there are so many strange things going on here, don in this conversation. one of the most striking parts, though, is how much don jr. is still at the front of his mind, the fact that he went to adoption. clearly, they talked about many things probably during this -- anywhere from 15 minutes to an hour. but it's don jr. that he brings up. i mean, he is still trying to
kind of frame that or spin that around as if this is something that vladimir putin cares about so much. it's an extraordinary sort of admission that basically he doesn't have a problem with saying, okay, i wasn't meeting with angela merkel. i wasn't meeting with theresa may. i was instead sort of having another sidebar with vladimir putin that no americans were there to give a readout of or any kind of analysis for. >> david, remember the reporting that he crafted don jr.'s first statement to talk about adoption and now he is talking about adoption, but they denied it. listen, again, this interview is jaw-dropping. and all you have to do is sort of thread the needle. you know what i'm talking about. >> yeah, i mean, a couple of things. correct me if i'm wrong, but i believe that that involvement of the president in drafting that initial statement was on his way back from europe, right. >> right. >> so and then as the story
unravelled, even the president and his team trying to sort of craft their narrative about what took place between don jr. and the various russians that were in this meeting at trump tower. they weren't even able the stay ahead of it. but if i can just piggyback on something patrick said a moment ago about that meeting. forget for a minute all of the swirl around the president and potential ties to russia or whatever his ties to russia are. just look at what we absolutely know, that he sort of doted on vladimir putin with a two-hour reported meeting, a one-hour meeting that was only disclosed later while at a dinner, our staunchest ally, chancellor merkel, prime minister may. he did not pay the same level of attention to them. allies that will be crucial if any crises, including crises involving russia accrue down the road. it's really shocking. >> what do you make of this, john? >> well, i make of it that he
certainly hasn't gotten his new lawyer ty cobb cranked up. but he apparently doesn't come on until the end of the month who was going to try to vet these things and put controls about what they're san diego about all the legal issues swirling around his presidency. kirks i ask you something? since you were the special counsel, right, during negative, correct? house counsel. what would you be thinking right now? what would you be thinking or advise organize trying to sort of strategize about at this moment had this happened when you were doing what you did? >> well, somebody would have tried to get the president to not talk about things that were directly involved in investigations or the investigators who were involved in it. you know, belittling comey, for example. in one of the excerpts i read that wasn't this the main article, he calls comey dumb. now that's just belittling a potential witness against him that isn't smart. those sort of things, as i say,
i think ty cobb or somebody like that is going to vet him. those are the sort of things that will be under control in the future, if that's possible. >> it's just extraordinary. to john's point that here he is sort of sitting in the oval office, and he is -- there is this investigation that robert mueller is undertake, we're still not totally sure whether president trump is under investigation or to what extent it is. and yet he is still talking about based on a lack of faith in jeff sessions. and how if he knew that jeff sessions wasn't going to take the right step under the constitution to recuse himself from an investigation, he never would have appointed him in the first place. it really sort of raises questions about judgment here. i know you're just going to point people who are essentially yes men, whether or not the constitution weighs in on it. >> do we have the part where he talks about don jr.'s e-mails? do we have that yet? about the meeting. let's listen to that.
>> i didn't look at it very closely, to be honest with you. i just heard there was an e-mail requesting a meeting or something requesting a meeting that they have information on hillary clinton. and i said, i mean, that's standard political stuff. >> did you know at the time they had the meeting? >> no, i didn't know anything about the meeting. but it must have been a very unimportant meeting because i never even heard about it. >> nobody told you a word? >> nobody. i didn't know. it's a very unimportant. it sounded like a very unimportant meeting. >> the day you clinched the nomination with new jersey and california, the primaries, you give a speech that night saying you're going to give a speech about hillary clinton's corrupt dealings with russia and other countries. and that comes just three hours after don jr. -- >> i made -- >> the timing. >> okay. so it was so unimportant that there was a translator in there, his son-in-law was in there, his
top adviser, also his campaign manager, the ceo of his campaign. that was an unimportant meeting, patrick? >> the pretext of the entire meeting were that the russians apparently had information that could hurt hillary clinton. we've got some goods that we can come and bring you to talk about to hurt your opponent. this is when donald trump is ramping up before the convention, organizing his general election campaign. he doesn't have much of staff. so much so that one of his sons and his son-in-law are organizing a meeting with the campaign chairman. i mean, this was a very big meeting. and clearly don jr. took it very seriously. looking at the e-mail exchange that don jr. had with the publicist back and forth, he was dying to get this guy in. >> john dean, let's talk about this. he accused robert mueller of running an investigation full of conflict, and he said this. he said, "asked if mr. mueller's investigation would cross a red line if it expanded to look at
his family's finances beyond any relationship to russia, mr. trump said i would say yes. he would not say what he would do about it. i think that's a violation. look, this is about russia. so everyone always says when you're in an investigation, if you're a journalist, whatever, you follow the money. that phrase came famous during the watergate information. what is your read on this? >> well, it's a read of trying -- he is actually responding to a leading question. but he took it farther than the question really needed to go. and he is saying that there is a red line in his mind if it gets into his personal finances. and outside the area of russia, he sort of acknowledged that was a legitimate area. the subtext, don, that runs through this entire interview when it touches russia is that it's everybody else's fault and not his. that he shouldn't be subject and may not even be subject to a russian investigation. he tries to follow that up again. but he doesn't want it clearly to go outside of the boundaries
of where he thinks this special counsel has authority, that he is not apparently challenging at this point. go ahead, david. >> and don, politically, right. there was a point in time however many months ago when it might have been more plausible for the president, for the administration to argue, look, nothing to see here. why is the media looking into the president's finances? but with each sort of billow in this building cloud of smoke around the president and his team and russia, it's harder and harder just politically to make a credible case that looking into the president's finances, whatever is found, is beyond the pale or somehow an overreach by special prosecutor mueller. it's at least something based on what we know should be looked into even if he doesn't find anything. >> let's talk more about because he took on comey, saying comey only brought up the so-called dossier full of salacious material because he wanted to keep his job. that it's sort of leverage. i want you to listen. this is how james comey testified about that moment in his testimony before the senate
intelligence committee. >> i didn't -- i didn't use the term counterintelligence. i was speaking to him and briefing him about some salacious and unverified material. it was in the context of that that he had a strong and defensive reaction about that not being true. and my reading of it was it was important for me to assure him we were not personally investigating him. and so the context then was actually narrower, focused on what i just talked to him about. it was very important because it was, first, true. and second, i was very much about being in kind of a -- kind of a j. edgar hoover type situation. i didn't want him thinking that i was briefing him on this to sort of hang it over him in some way. i was briefing him on it because we had been told by the media it was about to launch. well don't want to be keeping that from him. and he needed to know this was being said. but i was very keen not to leave him with an impression that the
bureau was trying to do something to him. so that's the context in which i said, "sir, we're not personally investigating you." >> just to be clear, here is what the president said in the interview, okay, patrick. the n the interview mr. trump believed about the dossier made implicit he had something to hold over the president. in my opinion he shared it so he would think he had it out there. mr. trump said. as leverage? yeah, i think so, mr. trump said, in retrospect. so my question is, is this sort of a back doorway for him to make the case that comey set him up, and that the mueller investigation is a setup as well? >> yeah, i think that's exactly how he is framing it to his supporters. and that's whoa what he is trying to push out. >> does he actually believe that? >> i think he actually believes it. this is what is so interesting about this, don. this gets exactly to how president trump thinks. during the campaign, he saw staff as staff, and he never liked them bringing him bad news. he didn't want the hear it. he didn't want to hear poll
numbers that conflicted with his reality of the situation. now you him as president of the united states. and in some ways he still sees the fbi director, attorney general sessions, as staff. he expects loyalty above all things. so for the fbi director to come into the oval and say i want to talk to you about this document, this is something that president trump does not respond well to. and he is looking, again, for motives kind of in his own mind to try to make sense of this, that people are sort of either out to get him or trying to put leverage on him. and you can sort of see in comey's testimony, unless he is like the greatest theater actor of all time, he was sort of a little baffled by what was setting trump off, that he was so kind of aggrieved by comey coming in and saying i just want to tell you about some of this information that sought there. >> can i bring up one inconsistency? one inconsistency that is small but i think important in interview.
and hats off to maggie and might bel and peter for getting the interview with the president. look, he said in the interview, and i've got it right here. he said "i don't remember talking to him, comey, about any of this stuff, referring to an investigation. but on may 11th in the interview on tv with lester holt, he said "i actually asked him if i were under investigation." so how can he have asked comey if he were under investigation but then not remember talking to him about any of this stuff? >> he misremembered. >> just asking. just asking the question. you know, he misremembered. >> don? >> go ahead, john. >> another sub part of this conversation is that comey i have read that was a collective decision by the bureau. as well as talking to the white house about whether to give this information to trump or not. >> you're right. he said he sought the advice of different people. >> exactly. and i think that's important that certainly -- >> can i ask you something real
quick, john? >> sure. >> i want to ask you about sessions and then we have to go. for him saying that sessions, if he had known he was going to recuse himself, he would not have asked him for the job. and then saying that he gave some really bad answers to simple questions. what do you think sessions should do or will do? >> that's a good question, because he is in essence saying i have no confidence in my attorney general. i haven't ever since he recused himself. to the question is can the attorney general operate in that atmosphere. i think if i were sessions, i would go over to the white house and sit down and say do you want me to leave? and have it out. and you realize the implications of my leaving at this time. so i think that would clear the air, and i think that's probably what he needs to do. >> that's probably maybe what he wanted from this interview. who knows, the president meaning. thank you, gentlemen. when we come right back, our breaking news. president trump takes on his own attorney general. issues a warning to the special counsel and washington holds its breath. what will all this mean for the russia investigation?
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our breaking news tonight, president trump venting in the new york times, lashing out at attorney general, jeff sessions, former fbi director james comey, special counsel mueller and others. here to discuss is daniel dressner, and scott jennings, a former special assistant to president george w. bush. gentlemen, good evening to you. dan, i want to get your reaction
to president trump warning special counsel mueller not to investigate his family finances as part of the russia probe. we put the quote up here and let others see it. he is saying basically, no, this is about russia and not to go too far afield. why does he feel he can tell the special counsel the parameters of his investigation? >> because donald trump looks at anyone employed by the federal government as part of his personal staff, basically. and so as a result, he thinks there is no wall between him and special or between him and mueller. so therefore it's not surprising he thinks he can lay out what the contours are. and there are two ways you can interpret this. one way is to believe trump does believe he's innocent and therefore he thinks it's completely outrageous that mueller would investigate anything beyond russia. or that donald trump has really got something serious to hide and is sort of saying don't go to that thing that i don't want you to know about.
>> interesting. scott, cnn reported last week that the fbi as part of his counterintelligence probe and its investigation into russia's meddling has scrutinized some of donald trump jr.'s business dealings even before the latest meeting. do you think the president is reacting to how this russia probe is quickly growing now? >> absolutely. we talked about this before and for the last several months. these probes start out looking at one thing, and then other things pop up. this becomes somehow within the purview of these investigators. that can happen with the special counsel and also happen with congressional committees. they look at one thing and find something else. it happened in some of the clinton investigations in the '90s. people got pinched for things that had nothing to do with the underlying issue. it happened to scooter libby. he was investigated on an intelligence leak issue, be he ended up getting convicted eon n strokz. these investigations grow and they're like spider webs.
it must be extremely frustrating for the people in the middle. >> two things. i'm sure i can hear people saying at home what's good for the goose is good for the gander. if it happens the way you said it happens, wouldn't you be advising the president and the people around him to zip it up? not to do interviews like tonight? >> sure. and i wouldn't be giving president legal advice, but yes. this interview seems a little ill timed to me, particularly when you consider you've got donald trump jr., jared kushner and paul manafort and others going to testify in front of congress next week, in just a few days. so i imagine now some of the president's statements in this interview could come up in the context of those investigations as well. so it seems a little strange to have it out there tonight. but then again, the president has extreme confidence in his ability to communicate to his people about how he feels what is going on in the world. and i think if he wakes up on any given day and decides i've got something to say, he is going to stay no matter what advice he gives.
>> dan, your facial expressions are speaking volumes. i'd like to hear what you're actually thinking. >> don, i'm just too overwhelmed by the outrageous success of made in america week by the trump administration. i think they've been so successful a at that that i really haven't paid any attention to this kind of interview or trump's new york with "the new york times." this is part and parcel -- i'm sorry to be that sarcastic. but this is part and parcel of trump's m.o. as president of the united states is that he constantly steps on whatever message his white house is actually trying to get out there. this week was supposed to be made in america week. and then with the failure of health care was potentially about reviving health care. but instead somehow donald trump decides i'm going to speak for 90 minutes about russia, as if somehow that's not going to attract everyone's attention. and as we said before, as you said in the program in the past hour, part of the problem here is maybe a couple of months ago, they had a case to make that people were being paranoid about
this. but the problem is there is now actual evidence that there was at least some degree of contact between the trump campaign and the russians. and so any time he brings this up as an issue, it's simply going to cause more people to pay more attention to it. >> so listen, let me ask you about this, scott. jared kushner, paul manafort, donald trump jr. all scheduled to testify next week this the russia probe. what do you think we're going to learn about the june 2016 meeting they all had with this russian lawyer? >> well, i think whatever we learn, we're going learn it in full. we're not going to learn it piecemeal. that's been one of the issues with this story so far is that they've been answering questions on daily basis about it. new things come out 24 hours later. they have to answer more questions. this is actually what we've been talking about for several days. this is probably the best opportunity for them to tell their full side of the story under oath, in public, all at one time. not piecemealed out. i actually think this is the right way for this conclude for them as a pr issue instead of discussing it day to day, get it
all out there. answer every single question. i think i might open up with my opening statement and say i will sit here as long as you want, and i will not leave until the last question is answered. that would be a great gesture and a great sign of confidence that you feel you didn't do anything wrong. >> thank you, all. thank you, both. just ahead, more on our breaking news. president trump warning special prosecutor robert mueller not to cross a red line in investigating the trump family. that as investigators may be following the money. we check our phones 85 times a day.
saving you money wherever you check your phone. yeah, even there. see how much you can save when you choose by the gig or unlimited. call, or go to xfinitymobile.com. xfinity mobile. it's a new kind of network designed to save you money. here is our breaking news tonight. president trump in an interview tonight slamming attorney general jeff session, former fbi director james comey and special counsel robert mueller. joining me now to discuss this is matthew murray, the deputy assistant commerce secretary for europe, the middle east and africa during the obama administration. and cnn legal analyst michael zelden, former special assistant to robert muler at the justice department. gentlemen, i'm glad to have you on. thank you so much. i want to ask you, matthew, about president trump's interview with this "new york times" interview. and he says it would be a violation if special counsel mueller looked into his family finances as part of any
investigation, saying that it would cross a red line if the investigation went beyond russia. what is your reaction to that? >> well, of course mueller has the discretion to do that. and we expect him to do that. because we want him to follow the facts and the money if that's where it leads him. and it's also important to note that given that the record will show that according to don jr., anyway, in 2008, there is a disproportionate amount of russian money, russian asset in the trump portfolio. it's hard to see how if he went into the finances generally, he wouldn't discover russian assets. and so it's increasingly clear that the history of doing business with russians by working with them to sell them apartments, even if it's just that simple and that innocent could very much come into play during the mueller
investigation. and then for him to make that kind of threat. it's ironic, don, isn't it? because "the wall street journal" did the president a great service on monday night on making a very powerful argument to him. >> about transparence it is. he needs to be transparent. >> yeah. >> and i think in the first paragraph they said that he was doing exactly what he criticized the clintons for doing. >> exactly. and they made a call for him to be preemptively disclosing all the information that he could. >> yeah. >> that it's not too late to get out in front of this investigation. and, you know, that would logically include him, for example, releasing his tax returns at this point. >> yeah. >> so they got trump's response tonight, which was unfortunate. he basically said to "the new york times" in answer to a question from "the new york times" that i'm drawing a red line here. >> okay. i want to bring michael in. let's talk a little bit more about that. we had this warning, michael,
from the president, though he would not say what he would do about it. but this comes as we're getting more details about the don jr. meeting, other russia connections. and you said early on, investigators will follow the money. >> that's right. i think there is no question but that we are in the midst of a moneylaundering investigation. we are in the midst of moneylaundering investigation with respect to manafort and the purchases of properties in new york for cash in violation of perhaps the geographic targeting order rules. we see articles in "the new york times" today about indebtedness to cypress and the use of limited liability corporations to make them less transparent perhaps violation of the facts, the foreign tax accountability act. we know that don jr., as matthew just said, has mentioned in 2008 that they are russianed up with their money. they don't need u.s. banks, except the u.s. bank that they used is deutsche bank which is
caught in the middle of a russian moneylaundering inquiry of its own. so there is no question but we've crossed the red line that president trump has drawn today. and so the question then becomes when he realizes that, that we've gone beyond that is he gl going to do? and own thing he can do is direct rosenstein to fire mueller. i think rosenstein will quit before he does that and i think the associate general will quit before he does that. and then he has to change the regulations that allow only them to fire them so that he can fire them. it's a gigantic mess that he is in. and i don't think he realizes the thickness of the soup that he is in. and maybe when ty cobb gets there, he'll be able to set him straight. but right now he is just sort of like wandering in the desert. >> yeah. these were michael's words. michael said he thinks that we're in the middle of a moneylaundering investigation, michael.
that's what you said, right? >> yeah. that's what i think, yeah. >> there is also "the new york times" reporting that former trump campaign manager paul manafort was in debt by as much as $17 million to pro-russia interests before he joined president trump's campaign, money that appears to have been owned by oreoed owed by busines activities in ukraine in the tax haven of cypress. what do you make of this? >> this makes mr. manafort extremely vulnerable, doesn't it, to the types of pressure that we see russia was prepared to put on the trump campaign. and the june 9, 2016 meeting now helps us connect dots on the question of follow the money in a way that was not plausible before because of who was in the room. and now particularly that we know who the eighth party was,
the lawyer who represents the agalarov family, they are business partners of the trump family. they were in business with the trump family during the miss universe pageant in 2013. and they've also been trying to develop a hotel with the trump family. so the fact he was there corroborates that the russians were approaching the trump organization with an offer of official information about hillary clinton and that they were prepared to perhaps trade that information in exchange for an end to sanctions. and then in exchange for the ability to work with the trump administration on a host of economic issues. how does that connect to manafort? manafort is in the room. manafort was in a discussion in a room where he could have seen
the possibility that if he wasn't dead at that time, and it's questionable whether he really was in debt. any debt he had eradicated by the end of 2015. but let's assume he was still in debt to the ukraine parliamentarian who is discussed in the article that in fact he would have been very interested in knowing what was on the table many that room. you know, you asked your earlier guests this evening as to what we'll find out next week from the witnesses that will appear on the hill. i'm not sure we'll find out exactly what happened in that meeting. >> i'm running out of time. i'm rung out of time. okay, thank you. >> what we will find out next week in those hearings is whether any of these people can tell a coherent truthful story. >> yeah. >> and that's going to be their biggest point of jeopardy moving forward. even the president today in "the new york times" article said that he did not tell comey
anything about the flynn firing that comey testified to. a one on within setup. >> but that's not what he said in introduce. he said he didn't recall having that conversation. >> i understand that. but comey has said he flat-out said it. so now you've got the issue joined. and someone is going to be telling the truth and someone is not going to be telling the truth. >> thank you, michael. thank you, matthew. i appreciate it. when we come back, a senator stands up in defense of a senator running against him. she was under attack for being muslim there she is. i'm going to speak with her live. what if we could bring you better value by having better values? at blue apron, we work directly with more than a hundred family farms. so instead of spending on costly middlemen and supermarkets, we can invest in the things that matter most: making farmland healthier. cutting down on food waste. and bringing you higher quality, fresher ingredients for less than you pay at the store. because food is better when you start from scratch.
a muslim american woman, a democrat running for u.s. senate in arizona barraged with hate-filled comments on facebook because of her religion. but none of that could stop deedra abboud. >> the journey that i have decided to take on today is not just for the people who look like me or sound like me, but for all arizonans. >> well, the candidate defended by someone that i don't might not expect, her opponent. joining me now is candidate deedra abboud. how are you? >> i'm doing excellent.
how are you? >> i'm great. and i'm so happy that you came on. i want to read part of your facebook post. and you write in part this. the founding fathers decreed that this nation would separate church and state. and in doing so protect both institutions. the government would be free from religious overreach and religion would be free from government interference. can you tell us a little bit about these online attacks that you have received since posting that? >> it actually started before i posted that. it started on a video similar to the one that you showed. and not sure why it suddenly ramped up. but two days ago it really started becoming one comment a minute. >> and before we move on and talk about it, i thought it was extraordinary. i shouldn't say extraordinary, because it's the right thing to do. maybe in this environment it's extraordinary. but senator jeff flake, the man you're running against him, he said hang in there, deedra, sorry you have to put up with
this. lots of wonderful people across arizona. you'll find them. what is your reaction to his support? >> i appreciate any elected leader, and flake also for calling out this kind of rhetoric and these attacks on constituents, our fellow americans. appreciate that he did that, and we need to see more of that from our elected leaders. we're in the place that we're in today because a lot of our elected leaders make the same comments. the rest of our elected leaders are not calling them out, and the rest of society isn't making a decision. is this us or is it not us? >> the alt-right has shown up at some of your campaign eefts. talk about that. did you expect it? >> i came in this with full eyes. i knew that this is exactly what i was going to pull out of the woodwork. and i want to pull it out of the woodwork. because we need to have a conversation about whether or not those people represent america. i don't believe they do. and i believe the majority of americans don't believe they do either. when the alt-right decided to
come to our event, we asked the police to let them stay and have their hour of freedom of speech, and also to show them that they're not going to intimidate us. after an hour, the police told them they needed to go to public space. that's how we deal with bullies. that's how we show them they're not going to make us put our head down. >> i also want to ask you about reports that president trump has been speaking to and recruiting perspective republican candidates to challenge jeff flake in the primary. what do you think about that? >> i think that the administration needs to worry about what's going on with the administration and let arizona decide who their next senator needs to be. >> what would you tell others who are thinking of running for office, or maybe just exercising their civic rights, but they may be afraid of facing this type of abuse online, and even in person? because it could translate into a real life incident. >> muslims may be the flavor of the day, but we're not the only flavor on the menu. every community that can be marginalized or chose as an
other gets these same attacks. if you're going to run for a political office, you better have a thick skin. you better be willing to deal with bullies. if you're not wanting to run for office you still need to deal with bullies because they're in the grocery store. it's time americans stood up and say that's not up. >> deedra abboud, thank you again. best of luck to you. sorry again this happened to you. >> thank you. >> thank you. i want to bring in dean obeidallah, an opinion contributor to cnn who posted a commentary today about this incident. and cnn political commentator andre bauer. good evening, gentlemen. she was very well spoken. >> hello, don. >> very smart lady there. dean, i know you feel strongly about this. >> sure. >> what is your reaction to what you just heard? >> i thought she was great. and i must say i have never praised a republican before ever on cnn. so wake up with wolf blitzer, this is breaking news, i did. jeff flake did the right thing. jeff flake what everyone should do as a profile in leadership.
>> i say it's extraordinary, it really shouldn't be extraordinary. >> but in today's climate it actually. you know what? there are parts of the republican base that are going to be upset that jeff flake spoke out about against anti-muslim bigotry. my tale of two republicans. flake stands up against bigotry. donald trump spewed against bigotry. islam hates us. a thousand muslims cheered in new jersey on 9/11 which is a lie. what jeff flake did was such a great thing. i think democrats and republicans should applaud each other. when you do objectively good like this and objectively bad like spewing hate. >> andre, hate crimes against the muslim community has increased 91% in the first six months of this year compared to the same time period last year. what does that tell you? >> well, you know, again, i look for the shining part of this. this is what america is about, respect and decency.
you know bakari sellers, you have on your show a lot. he and i are great friends. we duked it out when we were in the legislature. we had different views, but at the end of the day, we were still friends and still respected each other. i admire the senator for standing up for what could potentially be his opponent. and try to find the good that not everybody is bad. she is right. you've got to get some thick skin when you're in politics. many times when i do your shows, immediately after i look at my twitter, my instagram, and people are beating me up left and right. it does come with politics. it's not always about just religion. they always are going to find something to come at you negative. fortunately we have folks like deedra. >> you have people saying you're not an american or you don't belong or -- >> don, they don't say that but they say things that are hate-filled. they say things about killing me or i don't belong here. >> specifically, andre, let's be real. the first six months of this year compared to the same time
period last year that hate crimes against the muslim community has increased 91%. what do you say to those people? what do you say to the people who maybe knowingly or inadvertently fueling some of this hate against muslims? >> the good thing is that we have a process whereby that people that do these hate crimes are prosecuted. and so it's good that they're now keeping tabulations on these. and i hope that law enforcement will go forward with prosecuting folks that are committing these crimes. >> what do you say? >> first of all, there has been a horrible spike. thing has been four or five mosques burned down since january or at least the victims of arson. you've had women in hijabs punched. and let's be honest, it wasn't like this all happened in the trump administration. a man was sentenced last month for 19 years in prison for going to plot to kill muslim in new york. and that happened under obama. thanks to trump we've seen a spike of people emboldened to
spew hate. i've never seen the level. >> you think you can directly, this directly connects you can connect that directly? >> i think when the gop nominee and now the president of the united states, when that person becomes president, who said literally said thousands of muslims cheered on 9/11, who said i want to total shutdown on muslims, what message does that send to his followers? every president since the noon 90s had a ramadan event at the white house. trump is the first one not to have one. that's a deliberate message to his supporters that muslims are not part of the fabric of this nation, that this nation is not including us. that's a dangerous message. and drained is right there. is a silver lining here. jeff flake was really great in here. and i wish other republicans, especially donald trump would speak out and say stuff. >> maybe he will tweet about this, the injustice that she faced as a muslim american. >> that's not the first republican you said something nice about. you said something nice about me this past weekend. >> i did, andre. true. >> all right, get a room, you guys.
it was a crime that became a worldwide obsession in the '90s. o.j. simpson was found not guilty of the murders of his ex-wife and her friend. but after spending the last 8 1/2 years behind bars for another crime, armed robbery, he could be on the verge of being a free man. his parole hearing set for tomorrow. joining me now is the acclaimed filmmaker, john singleton, a director of "the people versus o.j. simpson", great minute series as well as the
groundbreaking "boys in the hood." and your new one on fx is? >> snowfall. >> we'll talk about that. let's talk about "the people versus o.j. simpson". >> the ongoing. >> and the miniseries. let's watch a clip, and then we'll talk about it. >> we have 62 instances of simpson beating and stalking nicole. >> we find blood where there should be no blood. >> this is a murder case, not a domestic violence case. >> people do admire me, johnny. >> it's my hope we can treat each other with respect. >> i ain't trying to be respectful. i'm trying to win. >> what do you think will happen tomorrow? what do you think should happen? >> they should let him go. they said he hadn't done anything in the nine years he has been there. he has been a model prisoner. ironically, he hasn't taken extra ketchup or mayo pack in jail. they have an actual quote of something like that.
hey, he is not doing anybody harm, you know. >> can you believe the fascination around this still? >> it's drama. it's soap opera. it's real soap opera. and it is very fascinating. you think about where he started and what he transformed himself to. and then what happened in the '90s, the tragic deaths of nicole. >> the thing about the '90s, and listen, you're part of this new series that we have called "the nineties." and there was a lot of racial tension around this. rodney king had happened just before this. >> yes. >> and then around this o.j. simpson trial. i remember where i was. i remember people screaming. i remember black people and white people in the newsroom where i worked like all looking at each other like what the heck is going on here? >> it was a powder keg. l.a. was like -- it was interesting because we're coming off of like two years just riots that happened. >> right. >> half of l.a. was willing
ironically to toss up for o.j. you never would have thought black people were willing to do anything for o.j. because we had given upper on him. but that time was wait a minute. are they going to send this guy, you know to the electric chair over this? half the town was he did it and the other half was he didn't do it. >> he didn't do it. you knew rodney king, right? >> yes. >> i met him. i did a long interview with him. and the series "the nineties" this weekend is titled "can we all get along." that's his famous words. let's watch it and we'll talk about it. >> i remember the power of stepping out of the d.c. metro and seeing this sea of faces of color on the national mall. >> the million man march was called for by louis farrakhan who is head of the nation of islam. >> the basic reason that this was called for atonement. and reconciliation. >> he has always been a controversial figure because of
his anti-semitic utterances. but the march becomes bigger than louis farrakhan. >> why do we march? because we're trapped in second class schools and first class jails. >> we've been locked up. we've been brutalized. >> and this became the first mass expression we can make together that we need to be regarded, respected. and heal this racial breach. >> we aren't all drug dealers. we're not shooting each other and stuff like that. we can come together and have a positive message. when you stop standing with your mother, when you start mentoring our young, then we can build a new nation of strong people. >> i had to get out of that time bomb mentality that growing up in south central l.a. gives you. i think that the march gave me a sense of hope that things could get better.
>>. >> what did you think? that moved you. >> i'm looking at this right now. you know, it's beautiful and it's just so elegant. it's ironic that it was a recent part of our past, but thinking in contemporary times, it makes me very sad because there is no solidarity like that amongst black men or black people at all. >> not even with black lives matter you think? >> no. look what happened last year. they've squashed that. this is not an ongoing thing. there is not ongoing thing about all the different injustices that are going on, all the things that even mr. jeff sessions is trying to roll back all the gains that happened in the last eight years. i believe that without -- it should be a methodical thing amongst people to really achieve their liberation. and it's not -- we're not asking for anything other than what all americans are for it. >> in the moments left tell me
about "snowfall" on fx." >> it's a show set in 1938. it's in south central los angeles, east l.a. and the west side. and it's about how cocaine changed l.a. >> he had three things in life. >> yes. >> and crack epidemic? >> transcending from cocaine to the crack epidemic. if we didn't have the cia trying to fight this covert war in central america, we wouldn't have the crack in los angeles. and we show that in the show. >> i can't wait to see it. all your stuff is amazing. >> thank you so much. >> thanks for coming on. >> good to see you, man. >> "snowfall" 10:00 p.m. on fx. don't miss "the nineties sunday at 9:00 p.m. right here on cnn. that's it. thanks for watching. we'll see you back here tomorrow. we can invest in the things that matter most: making farmland healthier.
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