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them i've seen before. how are members here of the parole board going to decide whether o.j. simpson should go free? what do they consider? >> a lot like a jury. we don't know how they deliberate, but i can tell you nevada is a very, very well-defined system tore deciding whether or not a parolee could be high risk or low risk. in this case it's true. o.j. simpson scores pretty well in factors like his age. older people it's shown do not commit as many crimes. he's participated in prison, stayed out of trouble. good for him. on the other hand, he still committed what is considered in nevada a high and possibly even the highest level of sfar sfa y severity of crime as considered by the parole board. that is what makes this a 50/50. >> sorry to interrupt. we want to listen in. this is under way.
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>> who do we have here, guys? >> good morning. >> this is -- >> good morning. >> this officer butitta. and case worker le fleur. >> okay, gentlemen. what we're going to be doing this morning is after the two of you leave the area and back to where you're going to be i'm going to have officer batista, have you bring mr. simpson in. and we will go from there. the camera angle that you've got is perfect. if you'll keep your camera late to that will allow us to see the people we're supposed toing seeing, and case worker le fleur, i will refer to you, if you'll have your program up and your computer system up. there are some questions i'm going to be asking you to confirm for us's so if you'll be ready to do that, i would appreciate that. so, gentlemen, if you will go to your spots for me and bring mr. simpson and i believe he has
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representation with him, if you'll bring them to the table, i'd appreciate it. thank you. >> good morning. have a seat, please.
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>> thank you. >> and -- >> you will all -- orenthal james simpson? >> correct. >> and mr. simpson, will you, please, give me your ndoc number for the record? >> 1027-8200. >> thank you. good morning mr. simpson and you're represented by whom this morning? >> mr. malecon lavergne, my attorney. >> okay. and welcome mr. lavergne. mr. simpson, the first thing i'm put on the record the notice of this hearing advise you are rights and ask you if you recognize nor signature for me, please. >> yes. i believe -- yes. >> okay. thank you. having recognized your signature i declare for the record you've been properly noticed and we'll go forward. i am chairman bisbee. with me this morning to the right is commissioner andal. to my left is commissioner jackson and to her left is
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commissioner porta. we're seeing you this morning. >> sorry. >> on an aggravated case sentence and that is cases number c-237890, count 9 assaults with a deadly weapon. c-23780 the 6 use of deadly weapon enhanesment. c-237890 count 10 assault with a deadly weapon. c-237890, count five use of a deadly weapon enhancement. c-237890 count eight use of a deadly weapon enhancement. c-237890 count 7 use of a deadly weapon enhancement and one of the things i want you to make make you aware, those enhancements include both to the kidnapping and the robbery charges. even though they're not necessarily the way i've said it, make that clear. and in a case worker le fleur i have a parole eligibility date
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of october 1, 2017, current expiration september 29, 2222. is that correct? >> that is correct. october 1, 2017. and expiration day of september 29, 2222. >> at this point case worker le fleur is there anything that would change that parole eligibility date? >> that parole eligible date is not going to change. >> thank you very much. mr. simpson, you are getting the same hearing that everyone else gets. i want to make that clear from the get-go. however, since we have a crowd of people here. >> sure. >> that have not taken advantage of our public meetings before in order to attend a hearing, some of the things i'm going to say are going to get a little bit lengthy. you will understand everything, but it will be new information for other folks. just wanted to let you know that from the get-go. >> okay. >> so i will say. >> thank you, ma'am.
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>> i will tell you as appointed members of the nevada board of parole commissioners we have an ethical dult toy consider each inmate for parole in a fair and consistent manner. like other parole boards across country our responsibilities include meeting to balance prisoner rehabilitation with public safety as well as taking action that considers the interests of justice. that's what we're doing here this morning. we have adopted a guideline to assist us in making consistent decisions. we apply the elements and factors of our guideline to each inmate considered for parole. a component of the guideline is our risk assessment. the board uses a scientifically developed validated risk assessment and part of its parole guideline. the rick assessment helps determine which inmates are more or less likely to return to prison if we release them on paro parole. using a rick asmented is not unique to nevada as a number of other state parole boards also use them. we have revalidated our
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assessment three separate times in the past 14 years, and it has consistently shown to the predictive. using this risk assessment has significantly improved our overall performance. i'm going to go over each item of the risk assessment with you at this time and just as an aside, this risk assessment is being revalidated even as we speak by the jfa institute. so it's pretty darn predictive, bottom line here. so my first question for you, mr. simpson, were you arrested for the first time at the age of 24 or older? >> i was arrested for the -- arrested for the first time, i think, at the age of 46 or 47. >> you were over the age of 24? >> yes. yes, i was. >> okay. and am i correct that you have never been on parole or probation before, therefore, you have never had a parole or
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probation revocation? >> that is correct. right. >> okay. and i have that you are, were unemployed at the time of this offense because you were in retirement status? >> that's correct. yes. yes. >> okay. now, this is a property conviction. we're currently hearing you on the robberies and enhancements, and so you have been assessed as a property offender. now, we've also assessed you as having a substance abuse problem. i'll tell you why that is. you have indicated also in the past that alcohol had a big factor in this particular crime and fact you spent the almost last nine years in prison because of an alcohol-related incident would be indicative of having some sort of a, at least temporary substance abuse problem. so we have scored you with having some history there. we have you as male. and we have that you are currently, well, very recently
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turned 90 years old. i'm sorry about that. you look great! how about we take two decades off and call you 70. okay. >> yes. >> we don't have you as having any gang affiliation nor ndoc found you to have any gang involvement. we note you have completed one of the vocational trainings in having completed the computer application course. we note that you have not had any disciplinaries either current or pending. and that you're currently medium level there at, lovelock correction's center. would you say all of those items are correct, sir? >> yes, ma'am. >> okay. you do score out, your rick score score -- risk score scores you in a low risk, however, because of your particular offense that severity is the highest.
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combining rick score along with offense severity, our guideline recommendations are that we consider factors. now, what consider factors means is we consider everything. in terms of whether or not you're a risk to re-offend and return to our criminal justice system. and so what we do at this point, when we're looking at the risk score we also look at what are called aggravating and mitigating factors. now, aggravatingened mitigating factors don't include enk in the world. they're very specific as to what we consider under those items also. so under the aggravating and mitigating factors in your particular case, mitigating or positive things for considering you for parole the fact you've been disciplinary-free throughout your entire period of incarceration. don't have prior conviction history you have community and family support. you have what appears to be stable release plans. you have participated in programming, some rather
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significant programming, on the aggravating factors, the only thing that fits under our aggravating characteristics in terms of risk in your situation is that at the time of this offense your victims indicated they in fear for their safety having been threatened with a gun during the commission of a crime. so those are the risk, aggravating, mitigating things we are considering. your overall risk score. right now i'm going to stop talking for a whilened ask the members of the panel if they might have any questions of you. >> yeah. mr. simpson, you've lived most of your life in the public spotlight. yet you go into a hotel room in las vegas, bring along four other men with you. two of them are armed. and robbed two victims of property. what were you thinking? >> well, i'm -- this might be a
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little long. i don't -- i'll try to be brief with it. i had been contacted by a man named reesio. he had contacted me over a period of time, told me that there was some guys tr s tries t him to fence my property, and he thought i should come and get it. well, i kind of blew him off, because i'm really not interested in football property. i don't collect memorabilia, only my own personal items. he was pretty persistent in calling me and finally i told him, see if you can get pictures of what they have. he sent me some pictures. and what i saw was my family, my mother's albums. pictures of my kids growing up. certificates of accomplishments of mine. pictures of what i call significant famous people.
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letters of myself. i told him i would really like to get this stuff. so after -- after a period of time through what he described in court as -- as a perfect storm we all ended up in las vegas. you know? i was there for a wedding and he told me that the property was there. and would i like to try to get the property? i said, of course, i would like to get the property. he told me the names of what he thought were the people in the room, and i realized these are friends of mine. you know? actually guys who helped me move. helped me move and store some of this stuff. right? so on the day of this incident, he came to my hotel. to talk about how this would take place. i told him i met with a lawyer last night, and my sister and my daughter and some other friends, and discussed it. i pointed out another lawyer that was at the pool side as a part of this -- wedding party
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that was going on. i so i discussed with him and they told me i can't do this. if we're going to their home or even to their storage. o.j., you cannot go in there, because if they ask you to leave, you got to leave. i said, reesio, you got to get them to bring it to a public place. he said, well, let me see what i can do. all of this has been testified to, so i'm not just going. you know? he called me and told me he told them to bring it to his room and he's going to have it brought to his hotel and would i come and get it? i said, of course i'll come and get it. he says a lot of stuff, o.j. you better bring some friends. well, i had a couple of friends there at the wedding that was going to go with me. he also said you should bring security. i said, well, i know these guys. i don't think i need any security. i mean, it turns out that one of the guys, bruce here, i didn't
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know it was him. i thought it was another guy named mike, a friend of his, and ex-partner of his, but i said, i don't need any security. well, later that day, when they arrived at his hotel, and spread out my property, he called and he said, they're here. you come here, i'll meet you in the lobby. and you need security, o.j. this guy -- beardsley. big guy, and a little -- a little weird. you know? i think anybody that knows him knows he's a little different. i still told him this guy's not dangerous, man, but he says, man, bring some security. during the day when he was there he met people from the wedding and one guy, mcclinton, said he did security in las vegas. and it would help his business if he could have me as a client. i told him i didn't need him but after he insited i bring security i said i could use your help. i went to the hotel.
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i met themr. riccio in the lobb. the two guys also met us there. a big mistake, obviously. i realize that. quite soon afterwards. and mr. riccio led us to his room. put the key in the door and let us in. i know i've seen the last two or three days the media reporting we broke into the room but we didn't break into any room. mr. riccio brought us into that room. when i came into the room i noticed spread out everywhere was my personal property. you know? the only thing i saw that was on display that wasn't mine was some baseballs, and i made it clear to everybody those are not mine. all i want is my property, and i think there was a tape of it, you hear me on at least three or four cases say i just want my property. go forward, try to make this a little quicker -- at some point, we started -- when we were leaving the room, actually, i was being pushed out of the room by the security
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guys, because while i was in there and i recognized bruce was there, i was surprised to see him. as he testified, i was shocked, really, to see him. bruce has been a friend of mine. he's traveled with me. we've done a lot of business together over the years and he and i said, man, what are you doing here? you know? he explained to me why he was there and why he had my property there and i told him, but, geez, you should have told me. i accepted -- i understood why. it was an '06, '07, people losing their homes. a guy owed him money, couldn't pay him the money. gave him my property to sell. i told. i understood that, but you still should have told me. we had a chance to talk about this at a later date, and i, he apologized. i accepted his apology. i apologized for the two guys that got pointed a gun at. he's traveled with me, known me when i've had security.
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he's known me when the venue has supplied security and there were times he even had to act as security for me and knows i would never, ever, direct anybody to point a gun at him or even threaten him. i've never done this in my life and i want to point out you mentioned all the gun charges. bruce and alfred, they made it clear during the trial that i had no weapon. they didn't feel threatened by me and from what you said, and that i didn't threaten them. it was the other two security guys that did that. i'm not -- i haven't made any excuses in the nine years i've been here and not trying to make an ex-cruise now. they were there because of me. you know? but in no way, shape or form did i wish them any harm. as i was leaving the room and this is on the tape, too, bruce said, o.j., hey, man, there's a box that's with that stuff that montana prints, those don't belong to you. those are mine, man. y
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he told me that because he recognized everything else i took out of that room was mine. you know? and he also ogzed i wasn't there to steal the stuff, that he knew it was returning whatever was his, which i attempted to do. leave it at the desk. i'll send your stuff to the desk. we didn't know at the time this security officer stole his blackberry, and the minute i saw that, i made him sent it back and he gave cockamamie story and -- in the trial that, why he didn't take it back. and in any event, i am no danger, pulled a gun on anybody. i never have in my life. never been accused of it in my life. nobody's ever accused me of pulling any weapon on them and bruce knows that i would never do that. i never have. i want to also, as a postscript add that, you know when i got to lovelock, the state of california took up the issue of who's property it was.
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they did an investigation. and they came to the conclusion that it was my property. they turned it over to me. i have it now. you know? so i mean, it's -- kind of mind-boggling that they turned over to me property that i'm in jail for for trying to retrieve. you know? it's -- it was my property. i wasn't there to steal from anybody. and i would never, ever pull a weapon, ever pull a weapon on everybody. >> i believe that the -- you believed that the property was yours? >> it's been ruled legally by the state of california that it was my property and they've given it to me. >> my question was, that's why you went into the, the hotel room? >> yes, sir. >> you believed the property was yours? >> yes. you know, i -- whenever he was just telling, the re -- calling me telling me this i wasn't interested. it wasn't until he got actual pictures of what they -- supposedly had. and because it was family photos and stuff.
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that's when i got interested in going there and i only went there to retrieve my own property. >> so what were you thinking when guns were brandished? >> i didn't see the guns. brandished. you say, "guns." as i understand it, one guy who was behind me somewhere point add gun at hill. i never saw him brandish a gun. when i left there, i called back to the room to ask bruce, you said that there was some pictures. what do you have? and asked, did this walter alexander return his cell phone? he told me, no. he says, o.j., wasn't cool that guy pointed a gun at me. i said, who point add gun at you? he said that, described who it was. to be honest, i didn't really believe him at the time. i asked the three guys i was with. they all said they didn't see him do it. i got back to my hotel. we waited for these two security guys to show up. and the minute they drove up, the first thing i said, man, did you pull a gun in that room?
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and he swore, no didn't. and i asked walter alexander, for the cell phone, and he kind of threw the cell phone to me. but -- well, i wasn't aware until, until i was in the car driving back to our hotel that this guy had actually point add gun at him. now, earlier in the day when he had -- when he was talking to me trying to get me to let him come, i didn't hire him. he said it was for free and all of that, he did show me -- i didn't know this guy. you know? i knew the alexander guy but not this guy. he showed me hit his license, his ccr. i assume a guy gives him a ccr and stuff, they vetted him. i should have vetted him. i didn't need him. i knew these guys weren't dangerous. >> you know, your version of the offense is different, a little bit, about the official records, mr. simpson, but moving forward
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here -- considering the fact that what we have on record, weapons brandished, you were there, property was taken. >> oh, i was there. >> so the next question is for you, what do you think was the impact on your vek tims? victims? >> well, i know what the impact was. we've talked about it. i mean, mr. beardsley we had long talks back then. he -- he told me that he had tried to call my lawyer. he testified in court he had called my lawyers and tried to tell them in the months previous that guys had my property and they were trying to sell it but my lawyer never call canned him back. he actually testified for me, i'm sure you know, during the trial. bruce and i talked, and bruce was traumatized by it. fortunately, as i said, we talked it out. he knew that i would have never
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condoned what happened. he accepted my apology, and i told him that these guys should be put in jail, if they did that. you know? i wasn't going to defend them. unfortunately, they got a get out of jail free card when they said o.j. told me. nothing i could do about that. about that. but -- i want to point out that, you know, bruce -- i knew his family. i mean, his mother was terminally ill, she was a fan. i'd call her, sing to her. the night before, or the night of, my -- the jury's verdict, his son actually called me, and tried to give me a heads up on something to do with memorabilia and told me that he and his mother was cheering for me. you know? this family knows that i wouldn't wish any harm on these guys. ever. these guys are friends of mine and i like to think we're friends again. >> thank you.
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>> good morning, mr. simpson. >> good morning, ma'am. >> i conducted your last hearing in 2013 with hearing representative mr. robin bates. do you recall that hearing? >> yes, i do. >> all right. at the time, we asked you what your plan would be if we to grant you to your consecutive sentence you told us you were going to complete commitment to change. have you done that? >> no, i haven't. at one point i couldn't take the course. you know, i took -- i took two courses that i guess you guys don't give much credit to. called "alternative to violence." i think it's the most important course anybody in this prison can take, because it teaches you how to deal with conflict, through conversation. i have been asked many, many times here to mediate conflicts between individuals and groups. and it gave me so many tools on
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how to use it, that, you know, to try to walk these guys through. you know? not throwing punches at one another. also, at one point a couple of guys came to me and they said, o.j., i understand you're a baptist. we're baptist and have no baptist service here. can you help us get a baptist service here? i worked with them. we now have an ongoing baptist service that i as well attended, i attend it religious and pun is intenned and i realized in my nine years here i was a good guy. i'm sure when bruce -- i was always a good guy but could have been a better christian and my commitment to change is to be a better christian. >> all right. thank you. we do know that you've programmed over your term of ip carseration, you completed victim empathy, alternative to violence, basic and advanced and computer application. i'd like you to tell us a little bit more about victim empathy and alternative to violence and
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how it will benefit you in the future? >> well, as i said, the alternative -- to violence course is i've always thought i'd been pretty good with people and i've basically have spent a conflict-free life. you know? i'm not a guy that ever got in a fight on the street and with the public and everybody, but as i said, they give you a bunch of tools how to talk to people. instead of fighting. instead of throwing punches. tools i've used here. it's how you talk to people. the tone you use. the victim empathy was once again it i -- i didn't really see that, in this case. i didn't really see that alfred beardsley was -- ah, really affected by it all, but bruce was affected. you know? bruce was, i saw that he was affected and as i said, i would have done anything, anything, no to the have that happen.
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if for no other reason, i regret this, because he had to have this guy point a gun at him and he told me. he said, man, the guy put a gun in my face. you know? and i said, i didn't -- as i said in the beginning i didn't believe it, but i know it to be a fact now. so -- you know, and that empathy course, it pretty much tells the guys who's all there, have you talk to your victim and what would you say to him? you know? if you were to see it now. and what would you, take responsibility for can and recognize how it affected their lives, as i said. bruce expressed to me how it affected him, and as i told him i couldn't be more apologetic for him going through that. >> thank you. i know that alcohol was a factor in the instant offense. have you addressed this issue as you stated you would? >> well, you know, it's -- i
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think i made it clear back then. i've never had an alcohol problem, and if i took that alcohol course it would have been more, you know, for my children. in case they ended up having a problem. well, my kids don't have a problem. i don't think anybody's ever accused me of having an alcohol problem or any kind of substance problem. of course, on that day, i had drinks. on that day, but it was a wedding celebration. but i never had a substance problem at all. so i didn't. >> okay. well you told us in our last hearing you were going to attend aa. that's the reason for my question. was it a factor, hadn't you been drinking that day? >> yes. yes, as i said. we were celebrating a wedding thing. i felt that the alternative to violence course and my involvement with the church, i also as recently became a, the commissioner of the softball
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league. 18-team league. my primary -- my primary responsibility was rules enforcement and, you know, player -- appointment. you know? guys is hot. they argue. my job is that they get surely with one another to remove them from the game and if it goes beyond that, go to the coach and have them suspended. i never got any blowback from the guys because they know how to act. i've done the best i can and just trying to keep them out of trouble. so my -- my -- my agenda was full here. i've been active totally active for as long years i've been here. i don't have much time to sit around and do anything. i don't know if that answered your question, but -- >> so of all of the programs you had an opportunity to complete, what do you believe is the most
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significant, for you personally? >> for me personally, alternative violence. as i said, i think that should be mandatory for every inmate hee. you know? once again, guys get hot here and we've had our share of fights here. and as i said, i've been called in, sometimes to try to keep guys from fighting and you have groups. you know? it's the north town boys, i mean it's crazy and most of the time over something really, really stupid. you know? in a basketball game, somebody says something to somebody, or somebody will go to somebody and complain to them about it, and it's how they complain to them about it that actually initiated the -- the conflict. you know? the fights. so i -- for the life of me, i don't understand why that is not a mandatory course for everybody here. excuse me.
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my mind is -- trying to think of other things, but that's the course that i would recommend to everybody. i mean, i took -- i took a computer course here not because i -- i was computer illiterate, but i took the computer course because i -- i sometimes i could never get my kids on the phone but if you text them or send something to them on the computer you can get them. so i actually took that course so i could better communicate with my children. >> all right. and had these programs prepared you to return to the community setting? >> i believe so. you know, i -- look, i -- i've missed a lot of time. like 36 birthday with my children, and, you know, i spent the 12 years leading up to this incident in vegas raising two kids, and in l.a. i mean, i'm sorry. in miami. and, you know, with all the media stuff, you know. we got guys like jeffrey felix making up stories and stuff.
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that was happening out on the street also, but i wasible to keep their eye on the ball. brave. went to the college 6 their choice and ended up missing their graduation because of it. trust me. i wish it would have never happened but as i said, the courses that i've taken, it -- i hope it helps me more if i run into those conflicts with my kids. i'm not a guy that has conflicts on the street. i don't expect to have any when i -- when i leave here, but i feel that i'm much better prepared, but more so -- from i think my commitment to being a better christian. because i thought i was good guy. i had some problems with fidelity in my life, but i've always been a guy that pretty much got along with everybody. >> are you humbled by this incarceration? >> oh, yes. for sure. as i said, i wish it would have never happened.
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i was going to start -- i didn't know how we were going to do this, by apologizing to the people of nevada, because -- i wish this would have never happened. i apologized to them at my sentencing. there was nothing i could do about this kind of media circus that's going on right now but i could do something about the whole thing in the beginning. if i would have made a -- a better judgment back then. none of this would have happened, and i -- i take full responsibility because i should have never -- you know, i haven't made any excuses in nine years here, but i should have never allowed these -- alleged security guys to help me, because it turned out they were only trying to help themselves. if they weren't there, bruce and i, we tried to do this. we tried to sit down in the room and call this guy, mike gilbert and discuss it all, but these guys took over and we were unable to do that. if we were able to do that, you
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would have never heard about this. none of us would be here today. >> okay. and lastly, i'd like you to know we receive hundreds of letters of support, and opposition. and wild we always encourage public input, the majority of opposition letters are asking us to consider your 1995 acquittal and sub scent judgment, however these items will not be considered in this case. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> all right. mr. simpson, i -- when we grant a parole, one of the additions, court ordered restitution to the victims of the crime. according to the judgment conviction in this case you and your co-defendants were ordered to pay $3,560 in restitution and return 12 montana liyn oh graph to the victims. can you tell us be status of the property taken during the robbery? >> one, i was unaware of the
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restitution. i do know about the, the prints. when i was talking to bruce on the phone and asking him was there anything else that should be yours? he said, a cell phone. right? so i said, do you want to come and meet us with that? or do you -- or how do you want to do it? a mr. cashmore -- now, the guy didn't know him. mr. cashmore said, hey, i got to go by that hotel. i'll drop it off. right? he testified to this, too. this is not -- an allegation from me. mr. cashmore testified to it. so i say, hey, this guy's going to come back, he's going to drop it off at the hotel. his testimony later was that he didn't remember the name of who he was supposed to drop it off to, and that they had decided to
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screw o.j. we're going to keep this stuff. i mean, this is his testimony, in court. the last thing i heard is that he actually tried to use those prints as -- as, you know -- the word. i can't find the word. to get his bail. his bail bonds. he was trying to use -- can't remember the word. >> i think i'm kind of -- >> restitution for his bail bond. i know about the lithograph. cashmore, he had them and testified to the fact in court that he had them. >> and let me ask you this. >> the restitution was made, by my lawyer. >> okay. so the final restitution has been paid, and there is no pending -- >> yes. >> the property returned to the lithographs as well? >> i have no idea what this guy's -- oh, yeah.
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he said they have been returned to him. i'm sorry. bruce just signalled to me they have been returned to him. >> thank you. >> all right. >> thank you. >> and so if granted parole as opposed to completing your sentence in prison you are will under supervision in the community. why is it better to be in the community than in the prison? you know, i do have four kids. i've missed a lot of time with those kids. i think i am a guy who has always been a giving guy. i've -- even on the street, people have always come to me. you know, i -- my reputation has always been that i'm open to the public. i'm open to everybody. you know? you know, right now i'm at a point in my life where all i want to do is spend time, as much time as i can with my children and my friends, and -- and i'm not looking to be involved with the media.
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i've had so many offers for interviews when i've been here and in lovelock and turned them all down. i'm not interested in any of that. i've done my time. you know? i've done it as well and as respectfully as i think anybody can. i think if you talk to the wardens they'll tell you i've been -- i gave them my word. i believe in the jury system. i've honored their verdict. i've not complained for nine years. all i've done is try to be helpful and encourage the guys around there, hey, man. do your time. fight in court. and don't do anything that's going to extend your time. that's the life i've tried to live because ewant to get back to my kids and my family. >> all right. do you realize that if you're granted parole you could be returned to prison for any violation or conditions of parole? do you understand that? >> yes, sir. i do. >> those conditions could be easily as not drinking alcohol to excess, associating with e
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ex-felons. leaving state without permission. being subject to search and seizure. a whole slew of conditions you're going to have to follow. and do you think you can be successful meeting the terms of parole? >> beyound a doubt. i haven't drank in nine years and haven't missed it. you know, most of my life, i could be stop and searched whenever they -- i'm not a guy who lived a criminal life. you know, i'm a pretty straight shooter. i've always tried to be a good soldier, and -- i -- i have no problem. none whatsoever, in living with those conditions. >> so here's the other side of that. as in easily recognized person in the community, if you're granted parole, how will you handle public scrutiny in the community? >> well, i've been recognized ever since i was 19 years old. you know? i'm sure bruce will tell you. wherever we've been, it's always
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a crowd. this is not new to me. rarely have i even -- even in the last 20 years, rarely have i even had any person give me any knelltive stuff negative stuff in the street. people give you looks and everything, but i'm pretty easily approachable. i've dealt with it all my life and i really don't see any problem dealing with the public now, at all. >> okay. and mr. simpson, we've been, since we've been made aware that you're requesting to live in florida, i've asked captain shawna ruby to come to today's hearing and explain the pre-release and interstate compact process for us. the captain is an officer within the nevada rule of probation and interstate compact commissioner for the state of nevada. i ask him to come forward and
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these happen behind the scenes of any hearing but because you have a crowd of people asking questions, we thought it would be best to have the captain present to explain to everyone. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> stay in nevada? i don't think you guys want me here. [ laughter ] >> [ inaudible ]. >> good morning, captain from the department of public safety from home probation. as chairman bisbee shared with you, i serve two roles. i'm a captain with the division of probation for headquarters and i also serve as the commissioner for the, for nevada for interstate compact. when it comes to the interstate compact, the things that are looked at is, what is your support system in that other state? are you a resident of the other
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state as defined by the compact, meaning that you were living there for at least a year prior to the date that you committed the offense. or do you have resident family there that can serve as your support system? and resident family is fairly specific, but adults, siblings and adult children can serve as your resident family responsibler to provide you with that tie to the other state that would allow you to qualify for a transfer. but that's just the first part of it. first we have to establish what your support system is and whether or not you qualify for that transfer, and then we make the determination if it's in your best interests to request that transfer for us. -- for you. once we make that decision, there is an offender application for transfer including a waiver of extradition which is required to be signed before anyone is allowed to submit a request for transfer to another state. what that does is it outlines to
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you what the requirements of the compact are that you're subject to terms and conditions gnome by the sending state which in this case would be nevada, but also by the receiving state. if you were looking to join your family in florida, that -- that florida would be able to impose conditions on you that would be consistent in the same manner they would treat one of their ono fender own snow offenders. and waiver of extradition, serves the purpose, if you violate terms and conditions of your supervision you understand that nevada has the authority to come and return you to nevada to answer for those violations. once we obtain that signed defender application, we will process that along with the other paperwork and documents that we need to submit to the other state, and they will then have up to 45 days to conduct
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their investigation on whether or not -- whether or not you qualify for the transfer and whether or not you have a valid plan of supervision. once they determine that, their caseworkers will forward that through their compact office back to the nevada compact office, and once we have a decision by that other state, then that would be provided to you through the, through your case manager at the department of corrections. that's how the interstate compact part works. on the prerelease side, the prerelease we have prerelease specialists who work closely with the caseworkers at the nevada department of corrections. and they develop -- they help to develop a valid plan of supervision we were talking about. what is your plan of release? where do you want to go to? who's your support system? once they make that determination they process the information that's necessary and in this case if you were to apply for an interstate compact,
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our prerelease specialist would be the ones to forward those documents to the other state for their consideration. once the determination was made and once a valid plan was developed, then they would work with your case worker to set up your release and your case worker would then manage the release through the nevada department of corrections. >> does the panel have any questions of the captain? okay. thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> now, mr. lavergne, i'm going to defer to the two of you, you and mr. simpson. we'd like mr. simpson to be able to tell us anything else he'd like to tell us and also like to hear from one of the supporters, if one wishes to make a brief statement to the board and we would also like to hear your statement, mr. lavergne. so i'm going to put that back to you as to what order you want toes three things to happen. >> we're going to hear -- mr.
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simpson -- we're going to hear from mr. simpson's daughter arnelle simpson first and then i'll make some closing remarks. >> okay. and officer batista, if you will make that switch for us, please. >> thank you. >> good morning. if you will give us your name and for the record your relationship to mr. simpson? >> yes. i am arnelle simpson. my dad's oldest child of four. >> ms. simpson, welcome and feel free to speak. >> thank you. i'm a little nervous association bear with me. um -- i know.
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as you know i'm here on behalf of my family. for the purpose of expressing what we believe is the true character of my father. no one really knows how much we have been through. this ordeal in the last nine years. excuse me. my experience is that he's like my best friend and my rock. and as a family, we recognize that he is not the perfect man but he's clearly a man and a father that has done his best to
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behave the way that speaks to his overall nature and character. which is always to be positive no matter what. he has spent the last nine years in lovelock as we all know and has been a perfect inmate following all the rules and making the best of the situation. which is truly amazing to me under the circumstances. the choice that he made nine years ago, that resulted in this sentencing were clearly inappropriate and wrong and counterproductive to what he was trying to achieve. as a family, we were all there to celebrate a wedding of a very good friend. as his daughter, i can honestly say my dad recognizes that he took the wrong approach and could not handle the situation -- he could have handled the situation
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differently. my siblings and i and family know that he didn't make the right decision on that day, but we know that his intentions were not to go in and to just make the wrong decision at the wrong time. throughout this ordeal, we have remained close. we have stayed strong and i, for myself, am grateful to god for giving us the strength to get through this last nine years and to stay positive always, no matter what. and a lot of that is because of him. so, on pbehalf of my family, my brother, my sister, an aunt, an uncle, his friends, we just want
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him to come home. we really do. we want him to come home, and i know in my heart that he is very humbled throughout the situation. this has been hard. i'm going to be honest. this has been really, truly hard. and there's no right or wrong way to explain how to handle this. but we do know that -- i know that he is remorseful. he truly is remorseful, and we just want him to come home so that we can move forward for us, quietly, but to move forward. so i thank you for allowing me to be here this morning. i thank you. >> thank you, ms. simpson. we appreciate you being present and we appreciate your comments
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officer, please bring mr. simpson back to the table. >> yes, ma'am. >> and mr. laverne, this would be the time for you and mr. simpson to make any closing remarks that you'd like to make. >> well, thank you, commissioner. i have a letter i provided through your liaison. it's an undated letter from mr. simpson to assembly man oswaldo fumo. that should have been provided to you. >> we do have that as part of the record. >> give me two seconds to get set up here, because that's where i'm going to start. did you take the letter? i can't find it now.
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and the letter, as you can see, is very short, i think it would be appropriate just to read it into the record if the commissioners would allow me to. >> that would be fine. >> okay. but the first i think i have to do is find it. here it is. by way of setting this letter up, by the way, the most important part about this letter is that this was not a letter that mr. simpson provided to me, okay? what happened is mr. simpson, at some point, wanted me to communicate with an individual by the name of oswaldo fumo. he's an assemblyman and prior to that time and still now he's an attorney and full disclosure, he was one of mr. simpson's attorneys during the habeas proceedings related to this case. but since that time, ozzie, as i call him, he's a friend of mine too, he became an assemblyman
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with the nevada legislature and after that, mr. simpson sent mr. fumo a letter and i found out about that letter not through mr. simpson. i found out about this letter through mr. fumo when i was advised to thank ozzie fumo for providing some -- was it books and educational equipment to the prison here at lovelock, nevada, and so here -- i'm going to read that letter. and by the way, mr. simpson did authenticate this letter this morning. i only produced this to him this morning when i got to see him prior to this hearing. he did indicate that he was the one who wrote this letter and even though it's not dated, he indicated it was probably sent to ozzie within the last nine months or so. dear legislator fumo, first of all allow me to say how happy i was to hear about your new position as a state legislator although i was not surprised to hear about your interest in furthering the education and helping of prison inmates. i've always taken my exposure to
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education for granted partly due to my prowess as an athlete, i have always been afforded opportunities for higher education. it wasn't until i got to prison that i realized just how many people did not have the exposure to said education, in part because of their circumstances, i.e. gangs, bad neighborhoods, lack of parental supervision, poverty, et cetera, but ozzie, i can't tell you how inspiring it is to see how said inmates have taken advantage of the educational department and the advantages that it offers. i have seen a change in some inmates as far as their self-esteem goes that is amazing. they come to know talk about subjects that they would never -- would have never even thought about before their exposure to education. they talk to me about things they want to do when they are released, things they never would have thought about they were capable of before. they say, quote, you can't teach an old dog new tricks, end quote, and as a quote, old dog,
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end quote, my friend, i can tell you that is not true. i am currently taking a computer science course or just a computer course that is showing me that even i am capable of learning new skills. these new skills, at the very minimum, will help me better communicate with my children. who knows, you may even see a web cast or blog in my future. i work in the athletic department here at lovelock and i fully enjoy what i do and can tell you that this is very important for the inmates to have a release for their energy and for recreation, but i can think of no better place to use state funds than to educate, add to their self-esteem, and to prepare these guys for their eventual release. in closing, i want to tell you how much i look forward to the following -- to following your political career and your participation in what i know will be a very successful prison educational program. gratefully yours, and it's signed by mr. simpson. and the reason i wanted to read
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this to you is because -- and just kind of surprise mr. simpson with it is because obviously, this is mr. simpson's, what i would consider one of mr. simpson's first opportunities to have clout in the political system of the state of nevada. he pretty much has an in at that point. he has ozzie fumo, who they had an attorney-client relationship with, a very good relationship, and now ozzie is in the assembly. he's in a position of power. and what does mr. simpson do? does he say, ozzie, can i have a better bed? or does he say, ozzie, can you get me -- can you pull some strings, get me out of here earlier? no. he doesn't do any of that. he uses that clout, the one time he has some clout in the state of nevada, he uses that clout to obtain funding for books and education in this prison. you know, and some of those men, as mr. simpson said, they really
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are going to get out and have a decent and a better life for themselves as a result of mr. simpson's efforts through mr. fumo. i think that's the definition of character. and frankly, i think if it was me personally who had been in prison for nine years and frankly, forget nine years, nine days, if i had that opportunity and a position of someone in a position of power who could do something for me like this, i would be saying, get me out of jail, okay? but he doesn't do that. it is very, very, very selfless. he's thinking about the people here and it's also the definition, someone had asked earlier about being humble and some humility. it also shows a genuine form of humility that he has the capabilities to think of people here who are not as empowered and as privileged as he had been and when he gets out, probably will continue to be in society. so that's the first part of my closing remarks. the second part of my closing
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remarks is to deal with the other individual in this case that was a victim. he's not here, and that's mr. beardsley. mr. beardsley, as you, i'm sure, are aware, is no longer with us. he passed away in about november of 2015. however, mr. beardsley and mr. furmong have made calls to my office and i've spoken to both of them and the last time i recall speaking to mr. beardsley was in september of 2011. this is not that long after i had maybe been representing mr. simpson for a couple years at that point. i was a little uncomfortable that mr. beardsley, who is a victim in a case and my client is considered the person who victimized him so i did explain to him that i wanted to record the conversation, and he consented and i asked him if he wanted an attorney before he talked to me and he said he was fine. i bring up this recorded conversation because i reviewed it in anticipation of this hearing and that was from 2011, as i stated before, and since he's no longer here, i think i
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could just speak from the dead -- speak from, you know, someone who's speaking from the dead. he indicated in no uncertain terms in that conversation that he had cleared up this matter with mr. simpson. he was trying his hardest to do whatever you want to get mr. simpson out of prison, and he had just -- they had just made right. mr. simpson had apologized to him. and they had just basically made it right and he was very, very -- and he had sent letters to mr. simpson. mr. simpson hadn't responded and that was probably on the advice of counsel at the time and then also there was another issue of -- and mr. simpson has raised this issue and i want to emphasize this again, that mr. beardsley had a set of photos, and these are not memorabilia. mr. simpson, if he didn't make his point already, he could care less about some signed football or some signed photos. he could care less about it. he could rip them up and burn them up. i kn