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but that is bad idea. we will cover all of that first. we want to get to will ripley in china. you are live with us and help us understand what north korea's threat means to the u.s. what are they saying? >> there really has been a lot breaking within the last hour. i want to read you part of this message this warning from north korea just within the last hour. they had the u.s. needs to stop with its delusion of trying to harm us by clearly understanding the strategic status of the dprk which soared up as the world's nuclear and missile power and
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our military and people's strong will to revenge our enemies to instruction. this warning coming after north korea tested an icbn that. you much of the u.s. mainland within striking range and president trump tweeting very angie apparently with china for not doing more to stop and sole the north korea problem and saying i am disappointed in china our foolish past leaders have allowed them to make hundreds of billions a dollar a year in trade and yet they do nothing with us with north korea. just talk. we will no longer allow this to continue. china would easily solve this problem. this is a dramatic shift for president chump who had been praising the president of china with a series of tweets and positive tweets about the chinese president and even these words that he said in france just two weeks ago. listen. >> well, he is a friend of mine. i have great respect for him. we have gotten to know each other very well. a great leader.
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he's a very talented man. i think hee a very good man. he loves china. i can tell you he loves china. he wants to do what is right for china. we have asked him for some assistance with respect to north korea on. probably he could do a little bit more but we will find out. >> reporter: but something is certainly shifted for president trump to icbm launch by north korea within the last month. chinese president xi jinping giving a speech during the overnight hours in the u.s. presiding over a massive military parade in mongolia. china has a policy of not directly responding to president trump's provocative tweet and he has tweeted negative about china ahead of tillerson's visit to beiji beijing. president trump not talking about north korea but china's president said it's important that this tense time the people's liberation army in china continue to strengthen. he rolled out a huge arsenal of
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increasing advanced weaponry of jets designed to challenge the fighters and try to roll out its own nuclear capable icbns. over the weekend north korea testing its latest icbn believed to be the most advanced in the country's history. this weapon, analysts say could hit the west coast of the united states and cities far east as chicago with all of the mainland u.s. probably in striking range by early next year. >> will ripley, thank you for walking us through the developments within the last couple of hours. president trump is slamming china on twitter. i said i am very disappointed in china and foolish past leaders have allowed them to make billion of dollar in trade but they do nothing with north korea on, just talk. we will will no longer allow this to continue.
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let's talk now. with us is errol louis and julian zeleny a professor at princeton university. julian, the president has said many times that president obama's era of strategic patience is over. will this era of strategicic impatience is not working with north korea. what is up next to match the rhetoric we are seeing from the president this weekend? >> we don't know. this has been the strategy for some time, diplomatcy or threat via twitter. what we are seeing is the actual threat keeps increasing, not decreasing. now we are entering a situation where you are military exercises, where the level of the rhetoric is escalating and there is concern that the next step is some kind of military
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response, rather than a diplomatic response. >> so many have said that a military response would be catastrophic especially for south korea with their capital seoul just a few miles away from the dmz. errol, let me come to you. the president in the pair of tweets tied the dissatisfaction with china's reaction on north korea on with trade with the u.s. is there potentially some trade war coming? we know when the latest sanctions against a chinese bank lastwas not against china but banks. >> if it would change not ness change anything with north korea. the reality is this is a campaign line from trump for months and got a big cheer out of his vowed. donald trump's ties are made in china so if he wanted to enact revenge against them as far as trade maybe he could start that
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at home. if you're talking about china being pressured by the united states to do something about a sometime ally that is right on its border and that would present a humanitarian catastrophe if north korea collapse it's a danger situation and much more for china. on the other hand, they want a strong and fully armed north korea on their border. make no mistake about it, it's not as if this happened under china's nose and they didn't want any of this to go on. we are going to have to see something a little more complex from the president and from the white house if they want to back china down. >> there has been this vacillation between conciliatory comments about xi jinping and criticizing him this way on twitter and see if there is a more consistent strategy as we look forward. stick with us. we have a lot more to talk about. nation bringing back its an navy parade and displaying
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hundreds of ship and aircraft in russia. >> vladimir putin says it's not a show of force but instead his country reviving a century's old tradition. this comes as the u.s. asks russia for more details after russia announced plan for diplomats to leave the country. all of this on a bill that is currently on the president's desk. heightened security at australia's airports after police say they have stopped a terrorist plot to bring down a plane. four people were arrested in overnight raids in sydney. investigators say the plan was islamist inspired and including using an improvised device. cnn international correspondent anna kornin is joining us live from the sydney airport. how what are you hearing about how detailed and advanced this plot could have been? >> reporter: certainly this has been described as an elaborate and credible conspiracy to blow
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up an australian plane, killing innocent civilians. this plot was foiled by australian police which led to raids across the city involving heavily armed counterterrorism officers. they raided five reports and arresting four men. those men have not been charged as yet under australian terrorism laws they can be arrested. police are working hard to gather information and make that case concrete. we are learning that suspicious devices have been found at some of those properties and certainly this will be an ongoing operation. could potentially last for days. now, obviously, airport security has been significantly increased. we have seen please here you don't see in these sorts of numbers and additional baggage security is now in place. we possess to some of the passengers traveling and while they are not deterred from traveling they say they are on
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heightened alert. let's take a listen. >> i've got confidence in the spro superior system and the staff and we have watched tv quite a lot today and quite confident they are doing everything they need to do to make sure everybody is safe. >> obviously, a bit nervous but at the end of the day you trust the people doing their jobs. we don't mind coming a bit early to get the right scans done and that sort of stuff doesn't happen. >> some other passengers we spoke to are used to seeing this play out overseas and not on australian home soil. this is the 15th foiled terror plot in the country. there has been a sharp increase in the number of terror cells and home-grown terrorists since 2014. isis-inspired. you have to say there is significant concern that because this involves planes and
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airports that this plot is far more elaborate and far more sophisticated which then could have ties to overseas networks. obviously, something police are investigating. >> anna coren, thank you. still to come, general john kelly in as the new white house chief of staff, to attorney general jeff sessions be moved over to the homeland security department? we will talk about that possibility. >> as students start to go back to school this week a battle over future public education. at the center of it? education secretary betsy devos. >> outrage over the president's speech to the scouts still creating some reaction including an apology to the national scout leader. why some scouts say it was not enough and why it was so offensive by the president. >> as the scout law says, a scout is trustworthy. loyal. we could use some more loyalty,
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fir day of work tomorrow at the white house talk about john kelly. the general starts his new position there as chief of staff tomorrow which leaves that vacancy over at the department of homeland security. but now there is a report that attorney general jeff sessions could be moved over to fill that vied at dhs. a move some republicans is saying is a bad idea. here is cnn correspondent diane gallagher. >> reporter: this is a wild theory being tossed around by poe politicos and talking heads. there is no evidence to suggest this is anything more than that right now. but it is something that senator
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lin lindy graham first talked about. he wrote dhs secretary jeff session doesn't sound right, doesn't feel right, bad idea. graham is trying to get out ahead of this here so essentially some people believe that president trump could slide attorney general jeff sessions over to homeland security to replace new chief of staff john kelly. now trump has made it no secret he is not exactly happen with the attorney general for recusing himself from the russian investigation amongst other things. it has angered conservatives who like the former alabama senator and think he is doing a good job. this theory contends if trump moves session to homeland security either immediately as the acting secretary or officially nominated him for the job that the president could satisfy republicans and he could pick a new attorney general who would then be able to fire
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special counsel robert mueller. now the man that trump, of course, has repeatedly said is on a witch hunt against him. so, yes, we are talking long game here but, look. this could all be legal if the president actually wanted to make sessions the permanent secretary of homeland security, he would have to either do a recess appointment or he would have to nominate him so session could be nominated by the senate again. under the vacancy act, since sessions is already a confirmed preside -- session could serve as the acting secretary up to ten days while the president was searching for a permanent placement and all sorts of circumstances that could extend and double that time period. if trump were to officially nominate sessions he couldn't be the acting secretary because he comes from a different department but remember all of this right now is just a theory. diane gallagher, cnn, washington. errol louis and julian
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zeleny back with us here. errol, go to you first. it's a theory but it's a strong enough theory that senator graham is talking about it. how plausible is it that something like this could happen? >> that is very plausible from the point of view clearly what the president want is to get sessions out of the justice department. i think we have all sorted of seen every sign from the president personally that what he wants is for somebody to step in and fire robert mueller and halt the investigation. if this is the easiest way to do it, it seems a little bit crazy in a way to sort of play with the lives of americans to have americans's security subject to these political winds blowing through the white house but that is where we are. >> you say it's an easy way to do it. julian, it wouldn't necessarily be that easy. i mean, would it? in fact, let's get to what senator graham said about this effort. i think we have some sound here.
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>> this effort to basically marginalize and humiliate the attorney general is not going over well in the senate. i don't think is going over well in the conservative world if jeff session is fired. there will be holy hell to pay. any effort to go after mueller could be the beginning of the end of the trump presidency. >> errol, on paper it looks like an easy shift, so to speak. julian, not so much so. people are already paying attention and they do not like it. >> right. senator grassley has also warned he is not in favor of confirmation hearings if it does. everyone in washington understands if this is what he does, the reason is to try to go after mueller and people have very little appetite for this. so the politics is much harder
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than the actual process which might give the president some leeway. >> what is the status of mueller's investigation? do we have a good grasp on that? >> on no, we don't. in a town, in an administration where leaking is sort of a daily hindrance to what it is they want to do, mueller is showing how it should be done which is that you hire professional staff, you support them, you make sure that your morale is at a level that people are focused on a mission and not on back stabbing each other. very little has come out about this investigation. most of what we hear, in fact, seem to be coming from the white house, from the reflected impact of the investigation which is that the president seems to be getting very nervous, has been attacking the attorney general, has been attacking the investigation, the democrats, and everybody involved which suggests that as the team starts making its probe, its initial
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investigation, as it starts gathering documents and so forth, there is something here that the white house does not like very much at all. >> julian, we have been seeing this white house in crisis internally so to speak this week. i shouldn't say everything but many things are somewhat calm despite what we are seeing from north korea this morning. how does a white house in crisis react to a true crisis, if it happens? >> well, that is the big question. we have seen how the white house reacts to a domestic crisis in terms of policy. we have just watched this unfold with the health care bill. and it didn't go very well. in the end, the white house wasn't able to do what it needed to do to get this legislation through and that kind of crisis, the president failed in term of leadership. and so now we see what is brewing potentially the first major international crisis and we don't know how this kind of
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chaos in the oval office, this kind of unpredictability in the oval office translates into handling a very real military threat overseas. this is not the atmosphere that we had in the white house during the cuban missile crisis in 1962 so i think everybody is watching. >> always appreciate both of your insights. thank you. make sure to tune in for "state of the union" with jake tapper today as well. republican senator susan collins who voted against the health repeal is on his show. talk will also talk with senator bernie sanders. that is today at 9:00 a.m. eastern on cnn. the trump administration wants to cut billions from the department of education and give more than a billion dollars to school choice programs. next, we will take about the plan and the controversial education sector charged with making it happen. some are still reeling from the president's speech in front
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trump's tweet, china's president xi jinping was over a massive military display. russian president vladimir putin watching over the annual navy day show earlier today. students across the country are starting to go back to class this week. it feels like this gets earlier and earlier every year! it's just the beginning of august soon. well, this will be the start of the year for the first school year of the trump administration. now, the president has promised major changes. changes his secretary of education has pushed for decade. >> reporter: she is loved by some. and loathed by others. education secretary bet di devos is one of president trump's more controversial cabinet secretaries. she was confirmed by a slimmest margin possible. a vote by the vice president mike pence. >> the nomination is confirmed. >> reporter: since then she has
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pushed to expand school choice and voucher programs. critics say at the expense of traditional public schools. >> i believe we must change the way we think about funding education and invest in children, not in buildings. >> reporter: in addition to his proposed 9.2 billion dollar cut to the education department, president trump wants to shift an additional 1.4 billion dollars to school choice programs in his budget, limits on that money have become a sticking point. at a congressional hearing in may, secretary devos refused to say federal funds would be blocked from schools that discriminated against students like race or gender identity. >> there is no situation of discrimination or exclusion, that if a state approved it for its voucher program, that you would step in and say that is not how we are going to use our federal dollars. >> the bottom line is we believe that parents are the best
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equipped to make choices for their children's schooling and education decisions. >> reporter: devos says she does not support discrimination and that schools receiving federal money must adhere to federal law but federal law does not explicitly protect the rights of all blbt studenlgbt students. >> reporter: the devos hire who heads that says changes are coming. colleges and universities were released for their handling of sexual violence and harassment complaints. jackson calls it a list of shame adding that our job isn't to threaten or punish or draw media or public attention. so let's talk more about school choice. there is a 2015 stanford study that looked at charter school performance and found that in 41
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urban regions, here are the numbers. more than half the students in charter schools had math scores that were the same or worse than students in traditional public schools. 62% scored the same or worse in reading. i spoke with lily, national education association president and richard zimmerman, a former congressman from new jersey, school choice advocate. just a few days ago. i started by asking does that performance justify the proposed investment? >> i wouldn't look just at the stanford study. the best charter schools provide measurably better education than the traditional public schools in their area. >> lily, let me come to you. overall, across all grade, we found that implementing any of the school improvement grand funded models had no significant impacts on math or reading test scores, high school graduation,
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or college enrollment. so just injecting money into failing schools doesn't seem to be the answer. >> it's very simple. anybody could do this without a federal grant. go into the best public schools in your state. anybody can do that. go in and walk around and see what they have got there to help tho those kids it. they have they have a library. that is like find be a unicorn in some schools. kids have access and opportunity. >> secretary devos has been advocating for school choice for a very long time now, especially in her home state of michigan. she and her husband during their philanthropic work. something she had in the last couple of months and it her comparison here with school choice and ride sharing. watch this. >> just like the traditional taxi system revolted against ride sharing, so, too, does the
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education establishment feel threatened by the rise of school choice. nobody mandates that you take an uber or lyft over a taxi, nor should they. but if you think ride sharing is the best option for you, the government shouldn't get in your way. >> what did she mean by that from your perspective, congressman. state constitutions don't guarantee a cheap and comfortable ride to a restaurant but they do guarantee free public education. >> yes, they do. the best way to promote a free education is to have competition. and the problem is that in our intercities particularly, we have very low graduation rates for blacks and for hispanics. those parents deserve a choice. i understand why lily wants more money spent but the fact is that we have got -- we have tripled
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our expenditures on an after inflation base the last 40 yors and we haven't seen comparable results. >> i want to talk about discrimination specifically and why secretary devos, not during her confirmation or months later during discussions with members of congress, testimony over the proposed budget, has not said specifically that no federal money will go to charter schools as part of any voucher program or any scholarships funded by the federal government, any school that discriminates on an admission rates on race or lgbt status or special need. why hasn't she said that explicitly? >> she should say that but she is a strong proponent of devolving education responsibility to local school districts and to states. what she didn't want ferguson to be dictating the policy but i
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think that in those respects she is wrong. >> lilly, you sent a letter to devos a couple of months ago and given her until september to respond and if she doesn't respond you said she should respond. president obama first secretary of education resigned and president bush's first secretary of education resigned. how can you get anything to come to fruition if you don't work with the secretary? >> we care about doing the right things for students. as we have a secretary of education who you just said who won't clearly state she will not support federal funding for schools that discriminate, when she says she won't support making sure that you don't privatize things like special education and after-school programs that are being cut.
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we don't see where we can work with someone who cannot clearly say i will protect all students. for us, that is job one. all students, all children deserve a safe place to go to school and we believe that they deserve to go to a school that is well resourced and has everything they need. access and opportunity. >> thank you both for being part of the conversation. >> my pleasure. >> a pleasure. outrage is coming from a lot of boy scouts regarding the president's words at a recent national event. look at how many folks were there to listen to him. the question this morning, should scout leaders have known what fs coming? there is one eagle scout who has a lot to say about this and we are going to talk to him in a moment. stay close. as master sergeant.to me they really appreciate the military family, and it really shows. we've got auto insurance, homeowners insurance. had an accident with a vehicle,
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many scouts and their families are furious over what they call political comments from the president this week. i want to give awe sampling here in case you missed it. >> you want to achieve your dreams. i said, who the hell wants to speak about politic when i'm in front of the boy scouts, right? as the scout law says, a scout is trustworthy, loyal. we could use some more loyalty, i will tell you that. did president obama ever come to a jamboree? >> i want to quote an eagle scout in his opinion piece here. profound disappointment barely seemed to scratch the surface of my feelings after the president's speech at the boy scouts a monday evening. he is with us now. thank you for tag the time to be
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with us. ben ponse of troop 56 in strasburg, pennsylvania. at what point during this speech did you watch that you became uncomfortable? >> i think the president had, obviously, prepared notes and i think much of his message was something that is very appropriate, something that, you know, we hoped that the president is telling the boy scouts. but, you know, in the middle of the speech, he started talking about how the former president had not made it to a jamboree how, you know, we better make sure that obamacare gets pass. just sorts of things i don't really think are appropriate to be talking to a group of 12 to 18-year-olds, most of them who aren't old enough to vote. >> you wrote something else. i'm going to quote it here. and but i would say, too, john rau,
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a former boy scout interviewed by the star tribune, said he was as disappointed by the lack of respect from the scout leader. he wrote it didn't matter what the speaker said. i identify it as an enormous failure of the leadership of the adults who were there. do you share that sentiment? do you believe the scout leaders failed in some way? >> i don't know about that, nel. necessarily. i do think from the perspective of the national organization, the president of the united states is always the honorary president of the boy scouts of america, so i don't fault anyone for inviting him to speak. i've spoken to a friend of mine who is still in scouting and he was there and he said that the leaders, you know, were talking before and after about what would be appropriate. and, you know, in an organization, as geographically and cultural diverse as the boy scouts, you're going to have some differences and political
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opinion, but i think everyone there would have been bound by the tenants of the scout law and the outdoors and hope the president would stick to those topics. >> what do you think was missed if the president was able to speak and reach this group of people? what was missing most to you? >> well, i mean, i think in a time when i don't think anyone would disagree that our politics is a pretty divisive, that the president, you know, could look to the tennants of the boy scouts about trust worthiness and loyalty and courtesy and friendly and all ideals i think we all can aspire. in this time of rancor, i think those are things that could bind us together and, you know, those are some things i think the president could have focused on. >> you're a sophomore at
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gettysburg college. double major in political sentence and public policy. you sound a little bit like a politician yourself. is that where you plan to go? do you have political aspirations? >> i don't know about that. right now, i'm just focused on school and all that goes along with that. we will see what the future hold. >> ben pontz, thank you for sharing your thoughts on this. i know certainly a lot of people paid attention and had their own thoughts but we appreciate what you're saying to us here. take good care. >> my pleasure. thanks for having me. >> thank you. the nfl is just getting into training camp and there is already a controversy. andy scholes will explain next. and i'm randy. we sell socks. why socks? we found out that socks are the number one most requested clothing item at homeless shelters. so for every pair we sell, we donate a pair to someone in need. but first we had to fix this. socks shouldn't fall down. fixed. lack of arch support? fixed.
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