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why don't you sit over here. find your awesome with the xfinity stream app. included with xfinity tv. more to stream to every screen. hi there, i'm brooke baldwin. you're watching cnn. as president trump heads to what is expected to be a campaign-style rally tonight in west virginia, new leaked transcripts show the president getting combative over the optics of one key campaign promise. building that wall. and mexico's paying for it. "washington post" obtained the verbatim of the president's official phone call with mexican president enrique pena nieto.
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let me read for you what president trump said. "the fact is we are both in a little bit of a political bind because i have to have mexico pay for the wall. i have to." later on, president trump says, "you and i are both at a point now where we are both saying we are not to pay for the wall. we cannot say that anymore, because if you are going to say that mexico is not going to pay for the wall, then i do not want to meet with you guys anymore, because i cannot live with that. i am willing to say that we will work it out, but that means it will come out in the wash and that is okay." as to comment on these transcripts, a spokesman for the national security council said that he could not confirm or deny the authenticity of allegedly leaking classified documents. let's go to the white house to kaitlan collins and let's talk a little bit more in that conversation, he's also essentially saying to the mexican president, and by the way, stop saying this so publicly to the press. >> reporter: yeah. he said, basically, we can work
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this out between ourselves, but let's not, like, have it out there. he was pressuring him to not be publicly defiant about paying for this wall. but i'd like to bring your attention to another part of this transcript that is getting a lot of attention today, and that's a comment the president made about the state of new hampshire. he was making an argument for why we need a wall along the southern border to stop drugs from coming in when he called out new hampshire specifically. he said, we have drug lords in mexico that are knocking the hell out of our country. they are sending drugs to chicago, los angeles, and to new york. up in new hampshire, i won new hampshire because new hampshire is a drug-infested den. now, as you can guess, brooke, the governor of new hampshire was not too happy when he heard this comment. he said the president was wrong and that it was a mischaracterization. >> and in addition, we were just checking some of the numbers. i think it was hillary clinton who won in new hampshire by a couple thousand votes.
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>> reporter: yes, it was. >> with regard to that. that fact. in addition, there was the transcript from the call with the pm in australia, malcolm turnbull. tell me about that. >> reporter: that one was an equally contentious call. it started on a good note, they were talking about mutual friends that they had, but as it wore on, we saw them begin to argue over the subject of a deal the obama administration made with australia to take in some of these refugees that are living in australian detention centers. now, trump became increasingly agitated during this call, saying, this is going to kill me. i am the world's greatest person that does not want to let people into the country and now i'm agreeing to take 2,000 people and i agree i can vet them but that puts me in a bad position. it makes me look so bad and i have only been here a week. turnbull then argued that it wasn't 2,000 people, it was a little less that, but trump said, it's close. i've even heard 5,000 as well.
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trump then told one of our closest allies that his conversation with russian president vladimir putin had gone much smoother than that, saying, look, i spoke to putin, merkel, abe of japan, so france today, and this was my most unpleasant call, because i'll be honest with you, i have had it. i've been making these calls all day, and this is the most unpleasant call. putin was a pleasant call. this is ridiculous. but brooke, i'd like to point out that back in february, when details of this conversation that trump had with turnbull first leaked, saying it was a contentious talk, trump got on twitter and said that was fake news and a lie and that they had a very civil discussion. but as and i can both see from this transcript, it certainly was not. >> kaitlan, thank you so much. the leaked transcripts run counter to the president's tweet from february. that is when news of the contentious call between himself and malcolm turnbull first broke. the president said, quote, thank
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you prime minister of australia for telling the truth about our very civil conversation. that fake news media lied about. very nice. not the case. let's talk about all this. sabrina is with us, political reporter for "the guardian." david sanger, also national security correspondent for the "new york times," and cnn military and diplomatic retired rear admiral john kirby, a former spokesman for both the pentagon and the state department. sabrina, let's start with you. the biggest take away with this is that essentially the president is saying to pena nieto, listen, we'll figure out what's going to pay for this thing, it's going to come out in the wash, paraphrasing, but you know, stop saying you're not paying to the press. it's all about optics. >> it is indeed. and i think it's striking that for someone who fashioned himself as a candidate as a great negotiator, who is going to come in and strike deals with foreign leaders in a way that
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his predecessors were unable, trump was so quickly willing to concede that one of his primary campaign promises was, in fact, bluster, that it doesn't really matter who pays for the wall. he's much more focused on the perception and on a political win versus a loss and how it would be received if he was unable to meet a campaign promise and also this assumption that the president of mexico is going to adopt one of trump's most controversial campaign positions, which he had repeatedly criticized all along. i think it's also striking that trump, you know, we know how he speaks publicly, but even in private, he was aggressive, if not disrespectful toward two close u.s. allies and clearly even in private, he didn't really show a respect for the diplomatic relations and norms with which you would expect these conversations to transpire. >> david sanger, let me ask you. i actually spent my evening and sat down a number of trump
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supporters and we went around the table and one of my last questions to them was, all right, if he has four years, what's the one promise he can't afford to break? and i heard, build the wall and mexico's going to pay for it. so if trump supporters are reading the transcript, how are they feeling today? >> well, we now know what we've all known, which is that this is going to be a bit of a problem all the way through and -- completely self-inflicted, that he made this promise that they would pay for it, even though the wall's on the u.s. side. when you talk to people who have -- about the wall, what they tell you is even if they present to him other options of what this wall looks like, places where you couldn't have a physical wall, you'd have electronic monitoring or some other kind of barrier, he agrees with it, and then at the end, he says, listen, when you talk about this publicly, it's a wall. and that's because to his
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supporters, the two important things, as you pointed out, brooke, are that they talk about a wall, even if it really isn't one, and they find a way for mexico to pay for it, even if they don't. >> let me move on, admiral kirby to, you on this call with the australian prime minister. again, just for people understanding, this is early on in his presidency, this is a week after the inauguration, these are diplomatic calls, hello, how are you, exchanging pleasantries and so he says to malcolm turnbull how unpleasant his call has been with him and says putin was more pleasant. your response to that and also how does that play with people saying, why does he never speak an ill word about our enemy over in russia? >> yeah, well, this was, again, early on, as you know, just about a week into his presidency. so we have to keep that in mind. but yeah, he continues to be reluctant to criticize putin, and here he is in a very contentious call with one of our most closest allies, certainly in the asia pacific region if
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not in the world, australia. it's also important to remember that this deal -- i get the political reasons why he didn't like it, but i was working for john kerry when we agreed to this and it didn't tie the united states' hands at all. it said that we would agree to vet these individuals and it wasn't 2,000. it was 1,250, we would agree to vet them and make the final decision about whether they could come into the united states and president obama deferred that to president trump. it wasn't just being thrust upon him. >> but in addition to that, sabrina, you know, the examples apparently he brought into the conversation, terror attacks, the boston bombers, san bernardino and one other that's escaping me, but the point is, you know, those, you know, terrorists were not refugees. to me, it just underscores the point, did he even have an entire understanding of what the policy with australia was to begin with. >> no. not particularly. and i think that one thing that's notable here is that when
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this conversation was reported on why we, at the time, trump had, in fact, as was mentioned, called it fake news and in fact the characterizations we read in the press were accurate, he's someone who has not shown himself to particularly interested in the policy nuances. again, it goes a lot more back to perception. so, he is more concerned with this idea that he vowed to bar refugees from coming into the united states and he doesn't really take the time to examine what the implications of such a proposal would be and how the policies have manifested themselves in other countries. he also similarly has been critical of other u.s. allies such as germany, angela merkel in particular, and france and canada for having accepted mills of refugees so i think that he doesn't really take the time to understand what the specifics are of the threats that we face from a national security perspective. it has more to do with appeasing that base and that -- those people who did propel him into office in part because they do
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have hostile attitudes towards immigrants and that, again, goes back to the way that he is communicating about both the wall as well as refugees in these two conversations. >> i think you hit on the word, it's perception. it's not just, you know, the people's perception of him and promises, but it's also the press's perception and he can continue to call -- what did he call us? the enemy of the american people, being we, the media, but he sure seems to care how the media is covering him based upon both of these conversations with world leaders. admiral kirby, sabrina, and david, thank you so much. we're going to move on. coming up next, is the u.s. closing in on a new military strategy in afghanistan. sources telling cnn that the president is growing frustrated about how the situation is th e there. and today, sharp words from senator john mccain on his first week getting cancer treatment, he is speaking up. he is blaming the failures in afghanistan on a particular group of people. we'll take you live to the
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pentagon for that. also just in, he wanted to address the american people directly but we just learned moments ago anthony scaramucci, the man who sat in that top spot of the communications shop at the white house for 11 days, is canceling his live event suddenly. we're going tell you what he planned to do and we're wondering why. this as we also have audio of scaramucci's profanity-laced conversation with ryan lizza. ryan lizza joining us live. lot to talk about on this thursday. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. hi.
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albreakthrough withyou back. non-drowsy allegra® for fast 5-in-1 multi-symptom relief. breakthrough allergies with allegra®. welcome back. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. a reportedly frustrated president trump has just held this closed door meeting with his national security adviser, general h.r. mcmaster as the white house is facing some tough questions about its promised new strategy in afghanistan. got barbara starr live for us at the pentagon and retired brigadier general anthony tate. barbara starr, just reminding everyone, there are nearly 9,000 u.s. troops in afghanistan. what kind of indication are you getting as far as policy moving forward? >> reporter: well, at the moment, it's not moving and by
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all accounts, that is what is frustrating the president. in fact, later dtoday, yet another meeting scheduled at the white house, the president not expected to attend, but his top advisers, once again, sitting down, trying to hammer out a way ahead. the big problem they're facing with a way ahead in afghanistan right now is they can't agree on what to do. all of the options are there, and they range from complete withdrawal, pulling all u.s. troops out of afghanistan, all the way to adding additional troops to help train afghan forces so they can buy enough time for the afghan forces to be able to be better trained and look after their own security. but there is a contingent in the white house that is asking the key question, why after all these years if the taliban are still fighting there, if isis is still fighting there, why is the u.s. still there. is it a war that's winnable and defense secretary james mattis has said, we are not winning this war, referring to u.s.
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military, and not winning is not something that president trump wants to hear. so, he is very frustrated and looking for a way ahead, we're told. >> all right, barbara, thank you. so, general tate, you are the perfect person to talk to. you know the lay of the land. clearly we hear from barbara, the president's frustrated. general mcmaster has been at odds with him over committing more troops to the mission, a plan that he supports, but the whole bannon wing in the white house is against. how do you think the concerns should be addressed here? >> well, brooke, i can tell you that the person that is most frustrated would be general mcnicholson, and if we back up a little bit, mick has been the -- a commander there in one way, shape, or form since 2006. he was a colonel in afghanistan when he worked for me. he was a brigadier general there, major general, lieutenant general, now four star general, last 1 1 years, his life has
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been dedicated to afghanistan and improving the lives of afghan folks and to improving the security of afghanistan so that terrorists can't have sanctuary there. that's the real mission is to prevent sanctuary because that's where 9/11 was planned, that's where al qaeda crossed with the taliban and the goal so to prevent that from happening again so i think the first thing that the president and his national security team should do is express great confidence in general mcnicholson, because he has been a true public servant. nobody knows that land, that terrain, that army, that enemy, better than mcnicholson and relationships are everything in this part of the world. and mick would be the first to tell you that. general mattis would. h.r. mcmaster would, even kelly, the new chief of staff, they all know mick and they know that he's the right guy, whether it's the relationship with pakistan or any of the stans surrounding
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afghanistan, and the people of afghanistan, mick nicholson is the right guy. so the first -- you start this conversation by saying, we've got the right guy there. and then you start talking about -- >> so, just, if i may, sir, just jump in, on your exact point, you would agree, then, with what john mccain, you know, tweeted today, defending precisely the person you're talking about. this is what he said. if you haven't seen it. "our commanders in chief not our commanders in the field are responsible for the failure in afghanistan." so, what about the commanders in chief piece? what do you make of the senator's very sharp message on specifically the commanders in chief? >> senator mccain is right on point. you and i have talked before, brooke, this dates back to the bush administration where you had cheney and rumsfeld all not knowing what they were doing, and they pulled -- the one time our nation asked for a head on a platter, osama bin laden, and we pull out of afghanistan, all the communications, all the
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intelligence, all of the combat enablers necessary to provide osama bin laden to the american people, and cut the head off of that al qaeda snake and we go over to iraq to do what we did there, that was a strategic error, in my opinion. i said it back then, and i'll say it again. i was a commander in the 101st airborne at the time. told i was going to afghanistan and then got told i was going to iraq and i said, what for? and so this dates, mccain is right, this dates all the way back to the '01, '02 time frame where we made some very bad strategic assumptions and it continued through the obama administration and i think what president trump is trying to do is hopefully get it right, and we either need, as barbara said, either fully get out or fully get in, but right now, we're at the, you know, 9,000 or 10,000 troops and if we get out, we have to understand that sort of the law of unintended
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consequences, so like when we pulled out of iraq, you see what happened with isis, and they took years, we turned our backs on iraq, isis grew and then we had this, you know, pan national threat, this transnational threat that really spans all across africa and the arabian peninsula and so if we get out of afghanistan without having properly built the capacity to defend that country and prefven terrorists from taking hosts in there, we could very well have a replay of that and now that isis has moved to partly in afghanistan and partly in libya, why libya? because it's ungoverned space. so we have to understand that if we get out, this is what we're going to have to deal with. >> no, i'm hanging on your every word, general, and i think my biggest takeaway, listen to mick nicholson. hopefully that is exactly what the commander in chief is doing. you're exactly right. hopefully iraq is a lesson
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learned. general tata, thank you so much. coming up, anthony scaramucci planning his next move after that explosive profanity-laced interview with the new yorker led him to parting ways after 11 days with the white house, so we now have audio of that call and the man on the other end of the phone, the eother end of that intervie, the new yorker's ryan lizza, we've got him. the woman who was convicted of manslaughter for texting her boyfriend, trying to convince him to kmcommit suicide. she learns her fate today. could get as many as 20 years in prison. we'll have that. stay with me. hey joanne, want to trade the all day relief of 2 aleve with 6 tylenol? give up my 2 aleve for 6 tylenol? no thanks. for me... it's aleve. won't replace the full value of your totaled new car. the guy says you picked the wrong insurance plan.
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well, he said he was going dark, and now that appears to be the case, at least for the moment. anthony scaramucci just yanked his plans to reveal his side of the story publicly tomorrow. the man who calls himself mooch was set to discuss his dramatic white house exit as in his 11 days as communications chief in a live event online. scaramucci announcing his quick change of heart just recently on twitter, writing, no press event tomorrow, focusing on family. my work in the private sector, #movingforward, stay tuned. we we have this audio of scaramucci's shocking late-fliglate-night phone call with "new yorker" journalist ryan lizza, when scaramucci unleashed this blistering and bleep-filled rant launching attacks on key members of trump world, a la reince
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priebus and steve bannon. >> who leaked that to you. >> oh, man, i can't tell you that. i can't tell you that. >> okay i'm just going to -- what i'm going to do is i will eliminate everybody in the coms team and we'll start over. it's no problem. that's all. so, i asked these guys not to leak anything and they can't help themselves so we'll eliminate everybody. so somebody in the coms team leaked that to you? okay, but you're an american citizen. this is a major catastrophe for the american country, so i'm asking you as an american patriot to give me a sense of the leak. >> the one thing i can tell you is it's two people in the white house who i know wouldn't lie to me, you know what i mean? >> who? >> i can't tell you, buddy. you know i can't do that. >> so you can give me -- is it an assistant to the -- >> if you told me something -- >> is it assistant to the president? reince is [ bleep ] paranoid schizophrenic, let me leak
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[ bleep ] thing and see if i can [ bleep ] block these people the way i [ bleep ] wlblocked scaramucci for months. you know my financial disclosure's been leaked to politico, which is a felony. >> when i wanted to ask you if you wanted to be profiled, what you're trying to do. >> i'm not steve bannon. i'm not trying to suck my own [ bleep ]. i'm not trying to build my own brand off the [ bleep ] strength of the president. okay. the mooch showed up a week ago, this is going to get cleaned up very shortly, okay, because i nail these guys. i got digital fingerprints on everything they've done through the fbi and the [ bleep ] department of justice. the felony, they're going to get prosecuted for the felony, they'll probably get prosecuted. >> would ywser, ryan lizza good enough to join me from vacation on the phone. it was one thing to read your interview with him in print, it is quite another to hear the
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bleeps out loud. i mean, you labeled this interview in your computer as "insane scaramucci interview." was that the craziest phone call you've ever had with a high government official? >> yeah, i mean, i have to say, when i got off the phone, i thought that was just the most unusual conversation because just to summarize what he was saying there, i mean, he said he threatened to fire the entire communications staff if i wouldn't reveal sources, which i thought was a very strange threat to offer a journalist. it's not like that would be an incentive for me to change my mind about that. he launched those pretty serious attacks on his colleagues, and probably the most newsworthy thing is he said he called the fbi on the chief of staff at the white house. just consider that for a moment. we're talking like a watergate-level, you know, news there, like i've never heard of a high government official telling a journalist that they've called the fbi to investigate a colleague at the white house. >> yeah. >> so, yeah, i got off the phone
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and immediately thought, all right, this is extremely newsworthy, we got to figure out what to do with it. >> so, looking back on his 11-day tenure, this was the, let trump be trump guy, right? we heard that through the campaign and kind of became cliche but this is how -- what was he, you know, in terms of being the head of the communications shop, he was -- this is how he was trying to convince people to go, right? which obviously something changed once reince priebus was out and general kelly was in. >> if you read the communications memo that he wrote that leaked out yesterday, a lot of communications professionals in politics and a lot of journalists who were reading it yesterday said, he had some good ideas there and on the plus side of the ledger, he was trying to open the white house up a little bit more, get the cameras back on in the briefing room. he was really emphasizing having a better relationship with the press, so those were all positive things. i think on the side of the ledger that if he had stayed,
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not so sure how it would have went, is that he believed that the real problem in the white house was that the public just didn't see the side of trump that he saw. he had this very -- has this very worshipful view of trump and just believes that all the problems could be solved if the, you know, if the world saw trump the way he saw, and i think a lot of people in politics think that everything's just a communications problem, that all the politicians' issues with the public could be solved with slightly better communication, when usually it's a lot deeper than that. >> yeah. >> it's a mixed bag. i think he's got a, you know, i think he's getting hammered a little unfairly on some of these things, but you have to understand why the new chief of staff would say it's just intolerable to have someone who is sort of super empowered by the president reporting to the president rather than the chief of staff. i think you can understand why john kelly wanted to have a fresh start. >> yep. within the first six hours of
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his first day there at the white house. ryan lizza, thank you so much. go back to your vacation. i would have asked you, you know, what do you think is going on with this public address tomorrow, but he scrapped it. so wish him well, obviously, in his personal life. ryan lizza, thank you for calling in. coming up next, this young woman who was convicted for involuntary manslaughter for texting her boyfriend to commit suicide, she learns her fate today. she could face up to 20 years in prison. we're watching the courtroom there. there she is in the white shirt. we'll bring that to you. also, where is sean spicer? he has a few more days in the west wing, what's he up to, and what are the plans for spicy when he's out of the white house? that's coming up. zed for her compassion and care. ey when he's out of the white house? that's coming up. but to help others, they first had to protect themselves. i have afib. even for a nurse, it's complicated... and it puts me at higher risk of stroke. that would be devastating. i had to learn all i could to help protect myself.
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any moment now this massachusetts woman will learn her fate for pushing her boyfriend to commit suicide. the judge is now taking just a short recess before sentencing michelle carter for involuntary manslaughter. she faces up to 20 years in prison for the 2014 death of conrad roy. the judge ruled carter repeatedly pressured roy through text messages and phone calls to kill himself. he said carter knew the danger that awaited roy. >> ms. carter, please stand. this court, having reviewed the evidence and applied the law thereto now finds you guilty on the indictment charging you with the involuntary manslaughter of the person conrad roy iii. carter realizes that mr. roy has exited the truck.
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she instructs him to get back into the truck, which she has reason to know is or is becoming a toxic environment inconsistent with human life. >> carter's family wants probation but roy's family is asking for at least seven years so let's go to bren who is there covering this case and danny, our cnn legal analyst and criminal defense attorney. bryn, you're here. so they just took a quick recess. you know, tell us what's gone on at least today and do they anticipate that she will be speaking at all? >> reporter: well, that's the thing. we don't think she is at this point, brooke, because we think that would have already happened. what happened right now is the judge is taking that recess for about another 20 minutes or so and that's when we do expect the sentencing. he's got a lot in front of his plate right now. he has the sentencing recommendations from both the defense and the commonwealth and, it got pretty emotional
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when the commonwealth and the family of conrad roy got to speak. as far as the defense, like you said, though, i want to start there. the defense asked for five years supervised probation for michelle carter, basically saying she was 17 when this crime was committed, that she does show regret in her actions, that she has aspirations for her future but pretty emotional when it was the commonwealth's turn to speak. we heard from conrad roy's younger sister. we also heard from his father, who said, quote, imagine the worst emotional pain and then multiply that to infinity, and that's how he feels with the loss of his son. but also hear from his sixster. take a listen. >> he gave me an amazing 13 years being my best friend and the best role model any little sister could ask for. not a day goes by without him being my first thought waking up
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and my last thought going to bed. throughout those 13 years with him, i have countless amazing memories that will always be with me. >> reporter: and again, she could face, michelle carter, up to 20 years but the commonwealth recommending anywhere from 7 to 12 years. during this entire time through those emotional comments made by the family members, michelle carter was sort of sitting back in her chair, wiping her nose, her eyes were certainly teary listening to this emotional testimony, brooke. >> so the max is 20 years. danny, we are talking ahead of time and i was asking, would she really get 20 and you were saying, no, that's just the max until t in the situation. >> in a case like this, because michelle carter is a youthful offender under massachusetts law, a judge has so many options, but as with any sentencing, a judge will consider all kinds of factors, her history, all kinds of things that may either mitigate or
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aggravate the situation. will she get 20 years? you're hearing it from me here. she will not get 20 years. even the highest end of the sentencing guidelines call for 60 months, that's five years, and i think the massachusetts -- the state of massachusetts is being a little greedy when they ask for seven years because that's even beyond the guideline sentence and the guideline is a range that the judge has to consider based on a number of different factors, including her prior history, that's assuming she has no prior history. even if she does, even if she has the worst kind of prior history in massachusetts, then her sentence guideline would only be, at the most, ten years. so that will give you an idea. the statutory max is 20 years in this case. it is not going to happen. >> okay. stick around. don't go too far. we're waiting for the sentencing to happen this afternoon. again, brief recess there in the courtroom and then it will continue and if that happens, we'll get you back in that seat. danny and bryn, thank you so much. coming up here, this stunning leak, transcripts of
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president trump's phone calls with world leaders, what he says about the wall and who's really going to pay for it, and so much more. also, how is sean spicer spending the last couple days in the white house? we have updates on that and what might be in store for his future. that's ahead.
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it is summertime, and up on capitol hill, senators are wrapping up business and heading out on their august recess, but returning home may not exactly feel like a vacation for a lot of these members of congress. in fact, in his home state of wisconsin just yesterday, the speaker of the house, paul ryan, was asked why when republicans control both the house and the senate and the white house, why wasn't more being accomplished. here's the response. >> there's no plan for anything right now, and when stuff comes up to vote, it always gets voted down, well, we'll table it and come back. it's very dysfunctional. what are you doing right now to take and make it more cohesive in the house, senate, and presidency? >> so the house is the functional body in government in congress, i say that tongue in cheek, joking, but believe me, i understand your frustration. i feel it right now. so what am i doing about this and what can i do as speaker of the house. i can make sure that the house
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delivers. i don't run the senate. i run the house. >> let's go to ryan nobles there live on capitol hill and ryan, so that's maybe a preview of what these members of congress will be listening to when they head home for august, but my first question is, do we know what will be item number one on the agenda when they return? >> well, if you can read the tea leaves, brooke, it seems like right now, both the senate and the house seem pretty focused on at a ti tax reform. paul ryan has been talking about that a lot not only in his speeches to the public but also on his twitter feed and through press releases and that's what mitch mcconnell signalled on the senate floor this week as well so while health care remains one of these big issues that's lingering, that they certainly did not accomplish during their time here over the summer, it seems as though they're ready to kind of put that in the background for now and focus on tax reform next, but brooke, we should also point out that tax reform is not going to be easy either, even though there's kind of broad agreement among republicans that the tax code needs to be reformed in some way, shape, or form, there
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aren't too many people that have exact ideas as to how to make that happen and we could see another battle as big as the health care one when they come back and talk about tax reform. >> what do you anticipate in the meantime, you know, as they're home and hearing from their constituents as far as, you know, i was sitting around this round table last night with some trump supporters, referring to some of these republicans as fake republican. they feel like it's the congress to blame for not getting anything done and not really placing the onus on the president. what do you think that these folks will be hearing? >> reporter: well, it certainly depends on which state you're talking about, which congressional district you're talking about, brooke, but i don't think there's any doubt that one of the reasons you're seeing such dysfunction here in washington is because these members are so scared of what greets them when they return home and they're such, you know, a huge divide between what republicans want and what democrats want, and everyone for the most part is frustrated that nothing is getting done. so, whether you're talking about health care, whether you're talking about taxes, whether
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you're talking about how you interact with the trump administration, and that is both good and bad for these members of congress, you should expect them to hear an earful from their constituents when they head back to their home districts. not all of these members are going to hold town halls. some of them will not have that opportunity to meet face to face with their constituents, but those who do should expect to have some kind of rowdy interactions with some folks because it's clear, not just from the polling, but from the anecdotal evidence that a lot of americans are frustrated with what's happening here on capitol hill. >> we'll get an earful a month's worth, ryan nobles, thank you so much back in september. thank you up on capitol hill. thank you up on capitol hill. hour two, let's continue. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >> we begin with leaked transcripts. these transcripts show exactly how testy the president got with leaders of two of the nation's closest allies, both australia
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and mexico. and in the case of our neighbor to the south, the transcripts also reveal that while president trump repeatedly tweets disdain for the media, he cares what the press thinks. "the washington post" obtained the transcript to the president's phone call with mexican president enrique pena nieto in january a week after the inauguration and so let me read part of how this transcript goes with that conversation. president trump says, "the only thing i will ask you, though, is on the wall, you and i both have a political problem. my people stand up and say, mexico will pay for the wall, and your people probably say something in a similar but slightly different language. but the fact is, we are both in a little bit of a political bind because i have to have mexico pay for the wall. i have to. i've been talking about it for a two-year period." let's begin there with kaitlan collins at the white house. the president repeatedly urged the mexican president to stop saying, publicly, that he's not paying for it. >> reporter: yeah, we learned a
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lot from this transcript, brooke, and essentially the president was saying, hey, we'll figure out a way to pay for this wall, but stop saying publicly that mexico is not going to be paying for the wall. trump told him, hey, i've been saying this for two years now on the campaign trail, so you have to stop saying that. and he even said, you cannot say that to the press. the press is going to go with that and i cannot live with that. you cannot say that to the press, because i cannot negotiate under those circumstances. now, this is a pretty startling admission, brooke, for the president whose biggest campaign applause line was a chant about building the wall and making mexico pay for it. but here, during this conversation, during his first conversation with the mexican president, since trump had taken office, he called the wall the least important thing, brooke. >> so, there's that piece and of course we're wondering how that sits with, obviously, trump supporters, who want the wall and want mexico to pay for it. number two is the piece, the transcript of the conversation
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with our friends to the south, way south in australia, with the pm, malcolm turnbull. what was said there? >> reporter: that one started out on a good note. the president and the prime minister were discussing how they both have similar backgrounds in business, they were talking about mutual friends, but it became increasingly contentious as the subject of a deal that the obama administration had made with australia to take in these few hundred refugees that were living in australia in detention centers came up. the president trump became increasingly agitated when he realized it was a deal he would have to make good on. he was saying, i have had it. i've been making these calls all day, and this is the most unpleasant call all day. putin was a pleasant call. this is ridiculous. now we have to point out here, brooke, that in february, when details of this call got leaked saying that it was a little agitated between the two leaders, president trump got on twitter and said that it was the fake news that that was happening and that they had a very