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counterintelligence analysts and investigators were lhuddled in room at fbi headquarters monitoring social media and what they were seeing were these streams of fake news, these negative stories being posted about hillary clinton, some having to do with her health according to multiple sources and they were able to identify suspected russian links to these accounts that appeared to be pushing out these fake stories, anderson. >> was the fbi working with the white house on this? >> the fbi was in touch with the white house. so you had teams at the fbi, homeland security and the office of the director of national intelligence holding conference calls every three hours with the team in the situation room and the white house to discuss any possible problems and while there were some minor issues that popped up across the country from alaska to georgia, there were no major incidents or disruptions of the vote and that was really the big focus at the time of the conference calls was whether the machines could be hacked and the vote could be tampered with and that kind of thing, anderson. >> this raises concerns that the
fbi was monitoring what people were reading and this ended up being important to the investigation that's going on. >> that's right. it's something that they felt was important, but it also was certainly uncomfortable territory for the fbi given the first amendments free speech protections and even for fake news stories. as one law enforcement official told me, quote, we were right on the edge of constitutional legality. we were monitoring the news, but nonetheless, this is still part of the counter intelligence investigation the fbi has been conducting starting last year, last summer into russian meddling in the election because there is a need to understand the effective of this kind of fake news campaign on the election and whether anyone in the trump campaign might have been involved in the fake news operation. as we know, that investigation continues today, anderson. >> what was reaction from officials when donald trump won the election? >> it's really interesting because, as i said before, was there a lot of concern that somehow the vote could be tampered with or could be
hacked. so at the end of the night there were top officials who were relieved and exchanged congratulations with one another because in their view there were no major problem, but it was interesting. we are told that one official in the obama white house had the opposite reaction sort of saying to everyone, are you kidding? what they did worked. meaning what the russians did worked and from this official's viewpoint, the government's response to the russians in the election during the election was a, quote, failure of imagination. of course, we don't know, anderson, if it had any impact on the outcome of the election and that may be something that we might not be able to answer. >> has the fbi made any official statement about this? >> the fbi has not made any official statement and the fbi declined to comment. >> pamela brown, thank you very much. >> let's bring in diana gold, rodriguez, and van. >> and now there's reporting today that russian-backed accounts are going after general mcmaster, the national security
adviser. >> and it speaks to what we found out from former fbi director james comb they on election night only one campaign was under investigation by the fbi and that was not the hillary clinton campaign. that was the trump campaign. so this speaks to what the russians were already doing whether it's information dissemination through facebook ads and what have you, or the fact that russia switched from wanting to just undermine hillary clinton to at some point during the campaign last summer wanting to once again back donald trump. >> listen, i think that this is one more step in understanding how handcuffed the government was. we're not prepared for this. that's yet president is saying, who cares? it's not real. it's all falk. it's so dangerous. we were aren't prepared then and we're not prepared now. there's a new context now for us to try to figure out policy. what should the fbi be doing? should the fbi be looking at this stuff? if they discover that there is a concentrated effort on the part
of a foreign adversary to knock out one american and put in another, what's their response? what are they supposed to do? congress should be debating this and we should be talking about that, but the president of the united states continues to throw banana peels on the sidewalk and not just about his own situation, but about the country's and our ability to discuss this rationally. >> this is also only going to worse as technology changes. there is already software that you can make someone say something that they're not actually saying. >> all of this has gotten lost in the bigger spectacle of what's come from this russian investigation. it's hard to remember the day when all of this was just about russian interference in the election and possibly influencing the vote. it's them interfering with the american political process which is a serious, serious allegation and a serious thing to happen. we also have to remember, though, that the obama administration was warned about this early on and did nothing about it with regard to pushing this investigation further
during the election process. >> that was tricky because if obama did anything he would have been accused of politicizing it. >> i'm curious as a conservative. what would you have been comfortable with the president doing? if the president came out and said the russians are messing this up, you might have thought he was trying to throw the election to hillary. what would you have been comfortable with at that time? >> clearly, a more thorough investigation. they're pretty thorough the day of. >> the social media companies were defensive at the time. they were crying that they had free right for people to disseminate whatever information and no such thing as fake news and people like mark zuckerberg was outraged when people were saying you should do more. >> that's right. because a year ago is when the russia story start todded to el after donald trump went out and said if anybody can find the 33,000 missing e-mail, let us know, russia. that's when it started to happen, but clearly our intelligence community was
paying attention to what was going on here. it was very early on, january, when the nsa, the cia, the fbi came out with the report that listed clearly without unequivocally that the russians were trying to meddle and they gave the examples. and they said it was with the intent of donald trump winning and potentially when they saw to the honest point when they changed it was when they saw that hillary clinton looked like she was going to win so they were looking to undermine her presidency once she got into office. so this is clearly something the russians like to do and it's called reflexive control theory. i have mentioned this before and people in the intelligence community, say russia has engaged with this for years and years and years, which is to manipulate opinion and try to influence. what's what they did. >> they clearly believed hillary clinton was going to win and that was part of their calculous as well, and thinking hillary clinton is going to win and then her administration will deal
with this. >> i think most people thought hillary clinton would win for quite some time, and yes, it puts them in a difficult situation. what do they do? it's difficult at this stage of the game to sit there and say, you know, nothing was done when the administration did know something. i'm not an intelligence expert, i'm just saying it was brought to their attention and nothing was done for whatever reason and now, unfortunately, we're looking at it in the rear-view mirror. >> whatever we were then, the reality is now there should be bipartisan support for addressing this problem. it's a national security issue. we're in a digital age. we have a country in russia that clearly set on penetrating u.s. systems in all shapes and sizes and we have a president who is politicizing anything associated with this to protect his own hide and it's a very complex situation. >> it's interesting that russia would be going after the national security adviser. that's a very specific, targeted attempt to influence somebody
possibly trying to get them fired which aligns with folks on the alt-right who also seemed to have it out these days for mcmaster. >> among some of russia's websites the #firemcmaster is number five. >> if you're a russian and you say we picked the president, why should we be able to pick the cabinet and everybody else. this is kind of where we are right now. >> here's the thing. it's just like in sports. you run a play and you're able to score with the play, you'll be able to run that play until your defenders figure out a way to stop you. the reality is we're arguing about all kind of nonsense and they'll keep running the same kind of play. >> we can rehash the past. what no one expected was that the president of the united states to not believe his intelligence agencies and all of them are telling them about russia's involvement. we know that president trump up until donald trump was inaugurated thought, you know what? i'll get a few minutes with him and get some time with him and explain to him what we were told
and be on the same page and what we know now from reporting is that didn't happen. >> as a result, when donald trump came back from the g-20 summit we were going to have a cybersecurity task force with russia. it was an asinine response, with the culprits on this? they have to be sitting back and laughing with us and thank god that went away rather quickly and that was his response to this after everything that was going on. it's frustrating for our folks in the intelligence community who understand the significance of this to see that the president continues to call it fake news, and continues to undermine what our intill jens community is trying to explain is an exist earn contract of the country. they also did a security analysis with what happened with russia and fake news. days before on facebook, there were more engagements with fake news than there was real news. just days beforehand so this was really penetrating our system with people being inundated with
this campaign by the russians and a third of it was pro-donald trump. only 20% was pro-hillary clinton. >> one of the big challenges that we have is free speech is supposed to be for people, not for bots, and i don't think we know how to deal with it. >> we have a lot of that also in the primary process as well, but certainly this is much more serious. we also have to keep in mind, it's not just virtually the entire intel community that's saying russia interfered in our election, but many republicans in washington are saying the same thing. we have house and senate panels investigating this and committees investigating -- >> and the fbi. >> and the fbi. and that's where i think at some point, sooner rather than later, let's hope the president does embrace this idea and let this investigation -- >> it's so wrapped up in that he's being delegitimized. when we come back, general john kelly's battle imposing some ord or the white house. we'll be joined by one of the reporters behind the profile of
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white house to hand over such documents. back now with the panel. it also according to the times is a clear example that mueller is looking beyond just the scope of flynn not registering as a representative as a foreign a agent and also beyond just flynn's dealings with russia. >> flynn is exposed to possible felony and fraud charges. if he didn't disclose it, it's a felony. if he used a middleman to hide the payments it's a fraud and muller and his team think something of that nature occurred otherwise he wouldn't be inquiring about it. it's another example how at every turn, every stone that gets turned in this investigation can lead to something else particularly financial relationships that will be problematic for everyone in this thing. >> lieutenant general flynn is a patriot and he has served this country with distinction, and it looks as though he's gotten his political ambitions and the desire to get involved in this
jir has really -- he's had a lapse in judgment here and it will get him in serious trouble, i was at the convention in the arena singing to the general lead a chant of "lock her up" which i thought was so inappropriate. i thought, no, what are you doing in this will sully your reputation as an american hero here. >> and a lot of the people he served with, frankly, in the past during that time were saying -- >> what is he doing? right. he got sucked into the vortex of presidential power potentially, and it will cost him significantly. >> it was aided by turkish -- >> and close with the government. perhaps he was also paid by russians and you can't overstate how dependent donald trump was on michael flynn at one point considering him as a running mate. i remember being stunned back in november when flynn wrote a very sympathetic op ed about how we should be more closely aligned with turkey and this was as he became more dikt torial after
that failed coup and now we know subsequently that he was paid and didn't register as such. >> to that point, it's not the fact that he got paid. it was that he didn't register and he didn't disclose it, and as we found out more or investigators -- or members of the media found out more, then we find out more and more, yes, i actually had that client, and you also have to remember in terms of his political ambition and his desire to succeed in this administration, his doing in was when he gave inaccurate information to mike pence about his meetings with foreign leaders and that was his doing in. >> his doing in was actually reporters discovering that reporters were going to go with that story. the white house had sally yates some time before and you know, sale yates had gotten fired. >> the president had warned him on multiple occasions what a loose canon he was and that they
shouldn't bring him on to the administration and it obviously fell to deaf ears. >> president trump had tried to warn president trump, but this is part of what makes this entire thing so difficult and important. you know, we are so used to everything moving at twitter speed and investigations done thoroughly take time. we're getting leaks here and what you're seeing with muller is a completely professional job. if it turns out that this piece of evidence leads to another one he's going to go there. everything that we are speculating about every night, it is all going to come to light and all of these dots, there is either some machine that makes smoke and has no fire or with this much smoke there is a fire somewhere and this is just one more thing. my concern with the american people is that we start getting used to all these weird
disclosures. >> and scandal fatigue. >> in any other administration, just one -- just one flynn would be enough --? it's also fatigue over the president not being accurate or saying things which are not true. >> right. >> -- time after time and after a while it just sort of you get numb to it. >> what i am encouraging democrats and progressive to do is to hold our fire. be patient and let's not go screaming and writing after every tweet. something bad could have happened and if it's not a full-on collusion, a lowering of the standard for what we expect from people running for office could have slipped through. let's give mueller a minute. when he starts to come forward with the real stuff here, i think we need to be in a position where we can honestly say this is not acceptable. >> now we know there are at least two grand juries. >> this is real stuff. >> up until now it's been a lot of tweets and a lot of speculation. you're talking about grand juries? grand juries are real stuff. >> it was focused on flynn, as
well. >> it's been around for a little while. the first grand jury. now yesterday i tweeted and i'm, like, this just got real-er. but the issue here is the president's disposition. a lot of the surrogates are going out there and trying to just say this is not -- this is nothing. this is nothing. kellyanne conway, last night she was on with chris cuomo trying to get annoyed how we're making a big deal out of nothing. if that's the case, just be transparent and let the investigation move forward and nothing will come of it. this is not the disposition of people who are completely innocent. if you have nothing to hide, if the president's finances are on the up and up, then here you go. >> release them. >> and clear me, but this is want the behavior of something with nothing to hide. >> michael flynn is not the only one that's had updated documents. kushner has had his dealings on 666 fifth avenue is a vulnerability. we know mueller subpoenaed records of the family's dealings
with china over there, this is touching everyone in the administration. >> quite frankly, the best way the administration constantly talks about how the media's obsession with this, but the best way to direct the media in another direction or the public in another direction is to stop talking about it yourself. don't call it a witch hunt. don't call it fake news and do it -- thankfully his attorney ty cobb is saying we'll fully comply and we'll give all of the information and we want this to come to a quick resolution so we can put this behind us, and if the administration, as they say has done nothing wrong, there's no collusion and no coordination, great. god bless america, but let's get this information out there and let's get this investigation behind us. >> you know, in the hood, as they say, if you have a guy like donald trump on your team you are in deep trouble because you -- shut up, man! >> lawyer up! lawyer up and shut up! if you have somebody in your crew like this, everybody's
going down. so i'm just saying. he's not even a good crook. if you're going to be a crook, be a good crook. >> they have to be pulling their hair. >> how many sets of lawyers is he on now? he's cycled through a couple and he's had heavy hitters in washington and they can't control his mouth and that will be the death of him. >> it's not clear how honest he is being with his lawyers. you have jay sekulow coming out saying donald trump had nothing to do with that statement that donald trump jr. put out, then lo and behold the story goes away and then it rears up -- >> in that situation, did sekulow get -- was he misguided by trump? >> right. we don't know. we have no idea. >> you have no idea. more stuff for mueller to look at. >> the thing is when you lie about little stuff then when the big stuff comes along you don't have the credibility, who cares? your kid's in trouble. you give them advice. nobody will be mad at you about that. and then oh, i had nothing to do with it and i wrote the statement. okay, dude.
>> flynn shows you that the person playing the ultimate sacrifice is mcmaster because you're reminded how angry the president was when michael flynn had to be let go and mcmaster came in to replace him and it lies more with mcmaster than flynn not being there. >> the lawyers might not be the only ones with headaches and coming up, the challenge the investigation and everything else presents and a fascinating look at his first week on the job when we come back. it's balanced...
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truly one of our stars. >> john kelly is one of our great stars. >> and he said that before it was publicly known before he was taking over as chief of staff. micha michael schear. john kelly quickly moves to impose military discipline on white house. michael schear joins us now. military discipline in the white house are two things you don't normally hear in the same sentence. just explain what kind of changes general kelly is bringing to the white house because the details are fascinating. >> they really are. so generally, for, you know, months in this administration there's been chaos in and out of the oval office and people putting information in front of the president willy-nilly. he's basically in the space of a few days put stock to that and he said staff members, senior staff members can't linger outside and just kind of slip in whenever they want. they have to essentially make appointments and they have to
schedule their have saivisits w and information has to flow through him with meetings and there's no more rambling on forever. he's been known to cut aides off and say that's enough, you know -- you know, let's get to the point. and, you know, the striking thing is all of this applies not only to junior staff member, but to the president's most senior people including ivanka trump and jared kushner which is interesting. >> i found it interesting that kelly has made it clear to his new employees that he was hired to manage the staff, not the president. he's not hired to take twitter away from the president trump or change his tv viewing habits. >> think chief of staff kelly is a realist. he's seen the same thing that we've all seen is that you don't take president trump's twitter away from him, at least not for long. there have been very short periods of a few days where he's sort of restrained himself, so i think they're sort of resigned and kelly is resigned to the idea that that's not going to
work, but what you have to do is to kind of build some sense of order and discipline and really a process around him. i'm reminded of a story of leon panetta, former chief of staff to bill clinton who came in right after in a similar period at the beginning of clinton's first term and it had been a year, year and a half and clinton brought panetta in and when i was reporting this story that he would go into the oval office and there would be 25 people talking at president clinton, and he stopped it. he said this can't happen and it's that kind of -- you have to have an orderly process by which a president makes a decision and that's what they're trying to do for president trump. >> even ivanka trump and jared kushner they go now through kelly? >> ien mo mean, take all of thih a grain of salt. >> right. >> there's the short term and what you do in the first few days and maybe a couple of weeks. you have a honeymoon. you know, i am highly skeptical
that this is all going to work out exactly like general kelly wants it to work out in the long run, but at least for the moment, and i think one of the moments that has struck everybody in the white house is that there seems to be a kind of gelling around the idea that let's all give this a try and see how it works and the big question is will it break down? can it last? >> and also just the various factions in the white house. whether it's kushner and ivanka trump or steve bannon. that's always been an issue and i remember talking to secretary panetta a number of times and it seems like they all had their own direct avenues to the president's ears. >> well, here's part of the problem, right? >> i don't know that there's ever white houses that don't have those kinds of factions. i'm factions in the obama white house and we know there were factions in the bush white house that didn't get
along about policies or procedures or approaches that they thought the president should take, but it's the chief's job to both tamp down the leaking about all of that so that you keep it inside so it's not playing out on our front pages or on your broadcast and as best they can, to say, look, if you have a problem if one faction has a problem with another, if jared has a problem with steve bannon, come to me and let's figure this out and battle this out internally because the thing that's been so devastating with this white house is seeing it all over the news. >> if you can, just stay with us. i want to bring back in the panel. >> sure. >> it's so interesting the white house is saying there is no chaos here and everybody is running incredibly smoothly. this is obviously an acknowledgement that this has not been the case. that's not truthful. do you think this is going to last? >> there's clearly a new sheriff in town and the details that michael pointed out that, yes, kelly is coming in to restore
discipline and order. just moving the senior staff meeting from 8:45 to 8:00, that shows who is in charge and who is running the ship and putting it in a room where there's not a television so the staff is not distracted. the focus should be on the chief and not the chief, because the president's going to do what he wants to do, but another key point is also limiting the flow of information into the president's office and into the oval office and his desk. that's where he gets his ideas with his tweets and things that he speaks off-the-cuff at these events that get him into trouble and these are phenomenal first steps and hopefully it will last and stick, but we've got to start somewhere. i am cautiously optimistic. >> two things that aren't going to control jared and ivanka's access to the president. she tweeted i look forward to working alongside him and secondly, he might be able to trying to lasso a tornado if he's going to get donald trump to stay off of twitter, stay on message and act rationally day
to day. that's not who he is and that's still going to be one of the main achilles heels. >> a source close to the president told "the wall street journal" that he gives him four months in the job. he doesn't need this job. one time the president lies to him or he sees that he's not listened to or respected appropriately, i think he would leave. >> john kelly has the -- probably second worst job in washington next to sarah huckabee sanders who has to actually stand up in front of the public and defend this administration, but i don't envy his job at all. i think a lot of people are hoping for the best and seeing these changes with just the fact that we're talking six months in, seven months in about basic operational procedure in the white house is really remarkable. we're talking about just staff meetings and we're talking about just the flow of information and basically how to keep the president's attention and have no televisions in there. >> that's extraordinarily undisciplined and why we have
chaos. >> if you're running a basic sandwich shop. >> high school. >> this is how you would do it. >> for us to say it was phenomenal. >> like those cnbc shows where someone comes in and redoes your business and reorganizes with the very basic things. >> general kelly is listening in on phone calls, i believe, at times. >> listening in on phone calls and part of what is so important for the chief of staff is to know what's going on and the worst thing that you could have possibly happen and the sense that this happened to reince priebus a lot and he didn't quite know what was happening around him. look, the other thing that i was struck by in my reporting over the last couple of days is that general kelly had been in this administration for six months as secretary of homeland security, but he reportedly clasheded with his white house and part of the changes that he's making right now is born out of his personal frustration because he saw up front, close and personal how the chaos was affecting his own
department and the travel ban is a perfect example where it was announced and it impacted the entire department that he led and so, i think, i share all of the skepticism that your panel has. i don't know that this is going to work, but they have to try. >> you have one interesting detail among many in your story from panetta saying that panetta picked kelly to be the head of his, i guess, military liaison when running the department of defense. >> chief military aid and kelly and panetta would give an idea and kelly would say something like, you couldn't do it that way and panetta realized that's kelly's way of saying that's a terrible idea if there's a better way to do it. >> that was actually gates. he worked for both pan ate and gates at different times and that was gates who essentially said, yeah, you could do it that way. that was what kelly said to gates and i said to gates, what
do you think that really meant? he said i think that really meant that's the stupidest idea i've ever heard in my life which seems relevant in the current situation. >> it is so fascinating this white house just all these people who you're not sure what their portfolio really is. >> can i speak to that? >> yeah. >> i had the opportunity to work in the white house briefly. it's very, very important for the trains to run on time in that building. the white house isn't an ordinary work environment. after about 10:00 or 11:00, often your day isn't scheduled because you need to leave enough time to be responsive to things that are happening. so you're looking up that chain of command for direction. all of your work product has to flow up and flow down. if there's chaos above you, and it hurts the entire operation. i can't imagine this level of chaos or uncertainty because
literally, your entire job as you're feeding things up is to help one person be excellent, to help one person serve the country and if that's a moving target, you've got some of the smartest people and most committed people in the country essentially wasting their time all day. >> it was at the trump organization. because this is exactly how he ran his business for 30 years. it was centered around him. it was willy nilly and it wasn't strategic and he didn't build a strong team. it was this cult of personality that at times was so radioactive it singed everyone around him. >> so all of that talk during the campaign of hiring the best people. >> there weren't resumes coming in over it -- and so much winning and always the best people. >> look at atlantic city and the disaster he made of atlantic city and the dealings there. someone who runs things so well doesn't file for bankruptcy four times. >> where else did we see this kind of activity? we saw it on the campaign trail.
it was a limited staff, small-scale staff. there was a lot of -- there was a lot of chaos was the word, but there was a lot of similar activity. i think what they're learning is that governing is different than campaigning, and i'm encouraged by the fact whether it took six months or a year, they have realized that and they're trying to rein in the troops. >> great reporting and great article. more to talk about tonight. new job numbers are out and what it could mean for president trump and his job approval numbers when we come back. maria is confident. but when it comes to mortgages, she's less confident. fortunately, there's rocket mortgage by quicken loans. apply simply. understand fully. mortgage confidently.
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now job numbers are out today and the president is taking credit under president trump. 209,000 jobs were added in july bringing the total since trump took office to 9 million. the unemployment rate fell from 4.7% in january to 4.3% in july. the president tweeted early this morning excellent job numbers just released and many job-stifling regulations continue to fall and moving back to usa. other numbers were not such good news for the president and new polling numbers from quinnipiac shows president trump's approval rating at 33%.
looking back at the numbers they're good numbers. >> they are good numbers and they continue a trend and it's a pretty remarkable trend that started under obama. people forget, president obama became the captain of the titanic after it hit the iceberg. it was under george w. bush that he had this massive recession and obama comes in and gets us out of that and you have a historic job creation, unbroken record throughout this whole presidency and that has continued. what you would want to see from a president trump and the huge tragedy of the trump administration that he's come out and said we're not going to do to accelerate this trend is we're going to do a big infrastructure plan. we're going to fix american roads and bridges and put people back to work. you have seen those numbers go up. >> it had been tough for democrats and it had been painful for us to vote for that kind of package and then he could claim credit and all you're doing now is seeing president trump claim credit for obama's policy. he hasn't accelerateded that
trend. he's just maintained it. >> clearly -- >> and 22,000 which is a new high and there have been a lot of new highs even under president trump and all analysts on wall street all say that at least some of it is this belief that the president's going to be taking away regulations. >> but that hasn't happened yet. there's encouragement to know 16 years unemployment is at an all-time low for 16 years and consumer confidence at a 16-year high and those are great numbers. is it a large part due to the obama years? yes, it is, but look, to your point with regard to killing the federal job killing regulations that is a good start -- >> i didn't call them federal job killing regulations. >> that being said, as well as unleashing american energy and approving the keystone pipeline and this will go a long way toward creating jobs and other proposals down the road with regard to repealing and
replacing obamacare if and when we ever get that done. the tax reform and also infrastructure project would be a phenomenal way to help boost the economy as well as get bipartisan input. >> to get infrastructure through, he has to work hard. he can't be out golfing and he's got to go to the congress and work with the congress to get a legislative package pusheded through and what we've seen from this administration is he lacks the discipline and the political savvy to get this kind of stuff done whether it's a tax cut, repealing obamacare, getting an infrastructure spending plan through and this is where west wing chaos comes home to roost. >> wail wall and the economy are basically just ignoring the chaos in washington at this point. we've seen 17 million jobs created since the recession which is very impressive. 180,000 jobs on average added each month. again, very impressive and we have a president who during the campaign was calling this a bubble and calling it the run-up to the stock market, a bubble that was going to explode at any time so you can't have it both
ways. >> and he was saying the whole time that these very same employment numbers under obama were fake numbers and the day he gets in. >> sean spicer joked about it. >> now they're real numbers. >> i just want to say one thing, that there are things that the president's proposing that would be helpful and some things that are just hype and the idea that the keystone pipeline is a big job creator. the reality is it turns out it will create 50 permanent jobs in the country. some of the stuff i think the country can come together on like infrastructure and there are some things with regard to taxes that we come together on and some of the stuff is just hype. >> i'll push back on how great the economy has been under obama because if that had been the case then hillary clinton would have won and people in places like pennsylvania and the rust belt would not have looked to donald trump to be their economic savior. it is true that jobs were created, yes, and a lot of the jobs were part-time jobs because a lot of businesses were upset
about the obamacare regulations and they didn't want to expand because of the mandates with boomcare coming down the pike and not quite knowing how that would affect their businesses and the millions and millions of dollars worth of regulations imposed on businesses hurt small businesses who were the job creators and growth. economic growth. we didn't have one quarter during the entire obama presidency when we hit 3% growth. that hasn't happened in 50 years. so these are issues that -- >> no, but i'm saying let's not paint such a rosy picture that barack obama brought us out of something. >> if he's focused on economic growth we'll cut legal immigration in half. >> that's another discussion. >> obama did bring us out of something. >> obama brought us out -- >> no. no. >> he brought us out of the worst financial crisis since the depression. >> ronald reagan was faced with an unbelievable economic situation, too, and you had over 4% rate of growth in a short amount of time than anything that obama did, and we still were sputter along at 1.2%, 3%.
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>> it is nothing more difficult than being able to show that you're innocent after you've been convicted by a jury. all you can do is try to show that there was serious errors in the trial or you can show maybe that there's new evidence and that new evidence is so important that it might be able to show that you were wrongfully convicted. >> as for parol, she had her shot for the first time earlier this year. she didn't get far with that either. >> why not go before the board and say i'm sorry, i show remorse? >> well, i mean, i just feel so strongly that i want my name back as much as i can get it back. i mean, i was an elementary schoolteacher. i was a good person. i would at least like to go forward with some sort of a life, and at least hopefully not have a murder conviction on my record. for a murder that i didn't
commit. >> it's a fascinating case. i understand that carolyn warmus says she has something that will clear her name. >> okay. anderson, i think we were talking about this a couple weeks ago, a bloody glove. but the glove a couple weeks ago was around o.j. simpson and the fact that that helped acquit him. in her case a bloody glove, she says, if it is tested, she believes that will exonerate her. and that was a big piece of evidence that helped convict her originally in the case. >> the original evidence used to convict here, the other evidence, is it as convincing now as it was back there. >> dna testing is so different now than back then. this could make a huge difference if the glove is tested. she's also spent 25 years in prison collecting documents. 60 0 pages she has that she says will prove her innocence and also we discovered there were
sketchy characters in this investigation also. no crime weapon was ever found. no eyewitnesss. it was all based on circumstantial evidence. also a questionable crime lab was involved in this case as well. so it will be interesting to see what happens and if a jung will listen to her appeal. >> stay tuned for that special report. fatal attraction or fatal mistake? it starts in just a few minutes. we'll be right back. a. the stage is yours. step two: choose la quinta. the only hotel where you can redeem loyalty points for a free night-instantly and win at business. on a perfect car, then smash it into a tree.
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>> that's all the time we have. the cnn special attraction or fatal mistake starts now, the carolyn warmus story. >> the following is a cnn special report. tonight -- a young schoolteacher, her married lover. >> i'm in prison for 25 years to life for dating a married man. >> his wife shot nine times. she was called the fatal attraction killer. >> if you don't get what you want, does it drive you crazy? >> carolyn warmus maintains she's innocent. >> are you a violent person?