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or unlimited. call or go to xfinity mobile. it's a new kind of network, designed to save you money. breaking news tonight you'll only see here. it takes us inside an fbi counterintelligence war room on lakz night and details the efforts to monitor russia's online really time disinformation campaign against hillary clinton. got the exclusive. she joins us now. pam, you've learned new information about what some members of fbi were actually doing on election day. >> yeah, that's right, around son. we've learned that fbi counter analysts and investigators were mulgded in a room on election day actually monitoring social media and what they were seeing were these streams of fake news, these negative stories being posted about hillary clinton. some having to do with her
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health, according to multiple sources. and they were able to identify suspected russian links to these accounts that appeared to be pushing out these fake stories. >> was is the fbi working with the white house on this. >> well, the fbi was in touch with the white house, so you had teams at the fbi homeland security and the officer of the director of national tell us holding kfrms calls every three hours with a team at the situation room in the white house to discuss any possible problems. and while there were some minor issues that popped up across the country from alaska, georgia, there were no major ijs dents or disruptions of the vote. and that was really the big focus at the time of these conference calls was whether any of the machines could be hacked, if the vote could be tampered with, that kind of thing. >> obviously this raises concerns that the fbi was monitoring what people were reading, but i understand this ended up being important to the investigation that's going on. >> that's right. it's something that they felt was important, but it also was certainly uncomfortable territory for the fbi givenel the first amendments free speech
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preks. even for fake news stories. as one law enforcement official told me, quote, we were right on the edge of constitutional legality. we were monitoring the news. but nonetheless this is still part of the counterintelligence investigation. the fbi has been conducting starting last year, last summer into russian meddling in the election, because there is a need to understand the effect of this kind of fake news campaign on the election and whether anyone in the trump campaign might have been involved in that fake news operation. as we know, that investigation continues today, anderson. >> what was the reaction from officials when donald trump won the election? >> so it's really interesting because as i said before, there was -- there was a lot of concern that somehow the vote could be tampered with or hacked. so at the end of the night there were top officials who were relieved and exchanged congratulations with one another because in their view there were no major problems. but it was interesting, we were told that one official in the obama administration white house had the opposite reaction, sort of saying to everyone, are you
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kidding? what they did worked, meaning what the russians did worked. and from this officials viewpoint the government's response to the russians in the election during the election was a, quote, failure of imagination. now, of course, we don't know if it had any impact on the outcome of the election, and that may be something we might never be able to answer. >> has the fbi made any official statement about this? >> the fbi has not made any official statement. in fact, for the story the fbi declined to comment. >> pamela brown. thanks very much. >> yep. >> let's bring in our panel. i mean, it's one thing not only that this was going on during the election but now there's reporting today that russian backed accounts are going after general mcmaster, the national security advisor. >> yeah. and it speaks to what we found out from former fbi director james comey during his testimony that on election night om one campaign was under investigation by the fbi, and that was not the hillary clinton campaign. that was the trump campaign. so this speaks to what the russians were already doing, whether it's information
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dissemination through facebook ads and what have you or the fact that russia switched from wanting to just under mine hillary clinton to at some point during the campaign last summer wanting to once again back donald trump. >> listen, i think that this is one more step in understanding how handcuffed the government was. we're not prepared for this. that's why the president saying, who cares, it's not real, it's all fake is so dangerous. we weren't prepared then and we're not prepared now. there's a new context now for us to try to figure out policy. what should the fbi be doing. should they be looking at this stuff? if they discover that there is a consequence trade effort on the part of a foreign adversary to knock out one american and put in another, what's their response? what are they supposed nod? congress should be debating this. we should be talking about that. but the president of the united states continues to throw ban an appeals on the sidewalk, not just about his own situation,
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but about the country's and our ability to discuss this rationally. >> this is also only going to get worse as technology changes. there's already software that you can make somebody look like they're saying something that they're not actually saying. >> that's -- all of this has gotten lost in the bigger spectacle of what's come of this russian investigation. it's hard to remember the day when all this was just about russian interference in the election and possibly influencing the vote. but it's a bigger picture than that. it's them interfering with the american political process, which is a serious, serious allegation, a serious thing to happen. we also have to remember, though, that the obama administration was warned about this early on and did nothing about it with regard to pushing this investigation further during the election process because -- >> that was tricky because if obama did anything he would have been accused of politicizing it. >> i'm curious as a conservative, what would you have been comfortable with the president doing, because our thing was if the president came out and said the russians are messing this up you might have
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thought he was trying to throw the election to hillary. what would you have been comfortable at that time? >> clearly a more thorough investigation at the time. >> it looks like a pretty thorough now. they have their investigation. >> and official media companies were very defense active at the time h. remember, they were crying that they had free right to disseminate any information. people like mark zuckerberg also was very out ranged when people started saying you should be doing more at the time. >> that's right. because at in point about a year ago was really when this russian story started to elevate after the conventions when we found out this was happening and then donald trump went out and said, oh, if anybody can can find the 33,000 missing e-mails, let us know, russia. that's when it started to happen. but clearly our intelligence community was paying attention to what was going on here. it was very early on, january, when the nsa, the cia, the fbi came out with the report that listed clearly, without unequivocally that the russians were trying to meddle and they gave the examples the and they
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said it was with the intent of donald trump winning, and potentially when they saw, to be honest, point when is it changed it was when they saw that hillary clinton looked hike she was going to win, so they were looking to under mine her presidency once she got into office. so this is clearly something the russians like to do. it's called reflexive control theory. i mentioned this before. people in the tegs community know what this is. russian has engaged in this for years and years and years. it's disinformationment it's to manipulate opinion and try to influence. >> the obama administration clearly believed hillary clinton was going to win and i think that was probably part of their calculus as well. thinking well, hillary clinton is going to win and then her administration will deal with this when she's -- >> i think most people thought hillary clinton was going to win for quite sometime and yes it puts them in a difficult situation. but it's difficult at this stage of the game to sit there and say, you know, nothing was done when the administration did know something. i'm not an intelligence expert.
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i'm just saying it was brought to their attention and nothing was done for whatever reason. and now, unfortunately, we're looking at it in the rear view mirror. >> wherever we were then, the reality is now there should be bipartisan support for addressing this problem. it's a national security issue. we're in the digital age. we have a country in russia that is clearly set on penetrating u.s. systems in all shapes and sizes. and we have a president who is politicizing anything associated with this to protect his own hide and it's a very complex -- >> it's also interesting the idea that russia would be going after the national security advisor. that's a very specific targeted attempt to influence, you know, somebody possibly trying to get them fired, which obviously alliance with folks on the alt right who also seem to have it out these days for mcmaster. >> yeah, among some of russians website the hashtag fire mcmaster is i think number five.
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>> if you're a russian and you say, well, we picked the president, why shouldn't we be able to pick the cabinet and everybody else. this is kind of where we are right now. here is the thing. it's just like in sports. you run a play and you're able to score with that play, you're going to run that play until the defenders sfig out a way to stop you. and the reality is we're arguing among ourselves about all kind of nonsense and they're going to keep running the same kind of play. >> what no one expectedel was for the president of the united states to not believe his intelligence agencies, all of them are telling him about russia's involvement. we know that president obama up until donald trump was gnawing rated i'll get a few minutes with him and spend some time with him, explain to him and we'll be on the same page and we know that didn't happen. >> what was the result when donald trump came back from the g 20 summit we were going to have a cybersecurity task force with russia. it was -- our partnership with the cull pritsz with the russians on this. i mean, they have to be sitting
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back and laughing at us. thank god that that went away rather quickly. but that was his response to this after everything that's going on. so it's very frustrating for our folks in the intelligence community who understand the significance of this to see that the president continues to call it fake news, continues to undermine what our intelligence community is trying to explain is an exist ten shall threat to our uncountry and it's the mo of the russians. australians they also did a security analysis on what happened with russia and fake news and fox, and days before on facebook there were actually more engage wants with fake news than there was real news. just days beforehand. so this was really pen tlating our system with people being inundated with this disinformation campaign by the russians and a third of it was pro donald trump only 20% was pro hillary clinton. >> one of the big challenges we have is that free speech is supposed to be for people, not for bots and i just don't think we know how to dolly with it. >> we have a lot of that also in the primary process as well, but
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certainly this is much more serious. we also have to keep in mind, it's not just virtually the entire intel community that's saying russia interfered in our election, but many republicans in washington are saying the same thing. we have house and senate panels investigating this and committees investigating this. >> and the fbi. >> and the fbi. and that's where i think at some point sooner rather than later let's hope that the president does embrace this idea and let this investigation -- >> it's so wrapped up for him, though, in the idea that he's being did he ledge mitt eyesed in some way. john kelly's -- imposing some kind of order on a turn blent white house. we'll be joined by one of the reporters behind a great profile of the new chief of staff's early days and programs the most interesting job in waushlt. later, why former special counsel ken starr has a warning for current special counsel robert mueller and why his particular concern might surprise you. pots and kettle gs, black ones. we'll be right back. r-cool note. done. that's mom taking care of business. but who takes care of mom?
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there's breaking news in the russia investigation. "the new york times" is just reporting that investigators working for special counsel robert mueller have asked the white house for documents related to former national security advisor michael flynn. according to the times reporting this is the fist known instance of the mueller team asking the white house to hand over such documents. back now with the panel. it also is a clear example that mueller is looking beyond just the scope of flynn not registering as a representative -- as a foreign agent and also beyond just flynn's dealings with russia. >> well, and flynn is now exposed to possible felony and fraud charges. if he doesn't disclose it, it's a felony. if he used a middle man to hide the payments, it's a fraud. and mueller and his team clearly think something of that nature occurred otherwise they wouldn't be inquiring about it.
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and i think it's yet another example of how every turn -- at every turn, every stone that gets overturned in this investigation can lead to something else, particularly financial relationships that are going to be problematic for everybody circled around this thing. >> what's unfortunate about this is lieutenant general flynn is a patriot and he has served this country with distinction, and it looks as though he's got his political ambitions and the desire to get involved in this area has really -- he's had a laps in judgment here and it's going to get him in some serious trouble. last summer i was at the convention sitting in that arena listening to a lieutenant general lead a chanlt of lock her up. and i thought to myself what are you doing? this is going to sully your reputation as an american hero here -- >> and loi lot of the people he sefbld with in the past -- >> what is he doing, right. so he kind of got sungd into that vortex of prosecutedel
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power potentially -- zbloor aid by -- tur kish -- >> close with the government perhaps. he was also paid by russians and you can't overstate how dependent donald trump was on michael flynn at one point considering him as pay running mate as well. i remember being stunned back in november when flynn wrote a very sympathetic on the part odd about how he should be more closely aliepd with turningy. and now we know that he feels paid and didn't register as such the. >> and to that point, it's not the fact that he got paid. it was that he didn't register and he didn't disclose it and as we found out or investigators members of the media find of found out more, then we found out more and more, oh, yes, i actually had that client. and you also have to remember in terms of his political ambition and his desire to succeed in this administration, his doing in was when he gave inaccurate information to mike pence about his meetings with foreign
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leaders, and that was his doing in -- >> well, his doing in was actually reporters discovering that. it was only when reporters were going to go with that story that the white house -- sally yates sometime before and, you know, and sally yates was the one that got nierd. >> and the president had warned him what a loose cannon he feels and that they shouldn't bring him on the administration. >> well accident president obama had tried to warn president trump. but this is part of what makes this entire thing so difficult and important. you know, we're used to everything moving at twrir speed. investigations done thoroughly take time. we're getting a few little leaks here, but what you're seeing with mueller -- if it turns out that this piece of evidence leads to another one, he's going to go there.
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everything that we are speculating about, every night, it is all going to come to light and all of these dots, there is either some machine that makes smoke and has no fire or with this much smoke, there's a fire somewhere. and this is just one more thing. my concern about the american people is that we just aren't getting used to all these weird disclosures. and any other administration -- in any other administration, just one, just one flynn would be enough -- >> fatigue over the president not being accurate or saying things which are not true. >> right, right. >> time after time and after a while it just sort of -- it gets numb to it it gets normalized. what i am encouraging especially democrats and progress sifs to do is to hold fire, be patient, don't go screaming and unaring at every tweet. something really bad could have happened or if it's not as bad as people think, full on collusion, a lowering of the standard for what we expect from people running for office could
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have almost slipped through. let's give this process a minute. give mueller a minute. when he starts to come forward where the real stuff here, i think we need to be in a position where we can honestly say this is not acceptable. >> now we know there are at least two grand juries -- >> this is real stuff. up until now it's been a lot of tweets and a lot of speculation. you talk about grand juries. grand juries is real stuff. >> that's right. the first grand jury was focused on flynn as well. >> right. it's been around for a little while, the first grand jury. yesterday i tweeted i'm like this just got real -- but, you know, the issue here also is the president's disposition. a lot of his surrogates are going out there and trying to just say this is nothing, this is nothing. my friend kellyanne conway, last night she was on with chris comow trying to get really annoyed about how we're making a big deal out of nothing. if that's the case, then just be transparent and let the investigation move forward and nothing will come of it. this is not the disposition of people who are completely
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innocent. if you have nothing to hide, if the president's finances are on the up and up, then here you go. here is everything and clear me. but this is not the behavior of someone who has nothing to hide. >> michael flynn is not the only one who has had to update documents. jared kushner has. his dealings on six six six fifth avenue is a vulnerable. we know that mueller subpoenaed records of the families recently in china to raise funds over there. this is touching everybody in this administration now. >> and quite frankly, the best way -- the administration constantly talks about how this is -- the media's obsession with this, but the best way to direct the media in another direction or the public in another direction is to stop talking about it yourself. en don't call it a witch hupt, don't call it fake news. and do like -- thankfully his attorney ty cobb is saying, look, we're fully comply. we'll give them all the information. we want this to come to a quick resolution so we can put in behind us. and if the administration, as they say, has done nothing wrong, there's no collusion, no
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coordination, great. god bless america. but let's get this information out there and let's get this investigation behind us. >> you know, in the hood, as they say, if you have a guy like donald trump on your team, you are in deep trouble, because you shut up, man. >> lawyer up. >> lawyer up and shut up. ike like if you've got somebody in your crew like this, everybody is going down. so i'm just saying, he's not even a good crook. if you're going to be a crook, be a good hulk crook. >> his lawyers have to be pulling his hair out. >> well, how many sets of lawyers is he on now? they can't control his mouth and that is -- >> i mean, it's not clear how much -- how honest he is being with his lawyers or i mean, you've got jay sekulow coming out saying donald trump had nothing to do with that statement that donald trump jr. put out. then lo and behold the story goes away and then it reers up again -- >> in that situation did sekulow
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get, was he misguided by trump. >> we have no idea. >> we have no idea. again, more stuff for mueller to look at. >> the thing is, when you lie about little stuff, then when the big stuff comes along, you don't have the credibility. who cares. your kid is in trouble. you give him advice. nobody is going to be mad at you about that, but you say oh, i have nothing to do with it. well, it turns out i wrote the statement. >> the person kbho splag the ultimate sacrifice right now is mcmaster because you remember when how angry -- less with mcmaster and more with flynn not being there. >> to van's p point lawyers might not be the only ones with headaches. the challenge that everything else presents for the white house chief of staff. fascinating look at john kelly's first week on the job when we come back.
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leaders. so spew all this comes the replacement for chief of staff reince priebus, former secretary of homeland security john kelly. >> i want to congratulate john kelly, who has done an incredible of secretary of homeland security. incredible. one of our real stars. truly one of our stars. john kelly is one of our great stars. >> and he said that before it was publicly known that he was taking over as chief of staf. "the new york times" colleagues have just written a story about how he's troo i had to -- military discipline on the white house. michael sheer joins us now. military discipline in this white house are two things that you don't normally hear in the same sentence. just explain what kind of changes general kelly is bringing to the white house, because the details in your piece are fascinating. >> yeah. no. they really are. i mean, so generally there -- for months in this administration there's been kind
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of chaos in and out of the oval office, people putting information in front of the president, kind of willy nilly. he's basically in the space of a few days put a stop to that. he's closed the door to the oval office. he said staff members, even senior staff members can't linger outside and just kind of slip in whenever they want. they have to essentially make appointments. they have to schedule their visits with him. they've said -- he said that they have to -- information has to flow through him in meetings. there's no more sort of rambling on forever. he cuts -- he's been known to cut aides off and say that's enough, you know, let's get to the point. and, you know, the striking thing is all of this applies not only to junior staff members but to the president's most senior people, including ivanka trump and jared kushner, which is interesting. >> i also found it interesting that kelly has made it clear to his new employees that he was hired to manage the staff, not the president. he's not talking about trying to take twitter away there the president or change the
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president's tv viewing habits. >> right. i mean, look, i think, you know, chief of staff kelly is a realist the way -- he's seen the thing that we've all seen which is you don't take president trump's twitter away from him. at least not for long. there's been periods where he's sort of restrained himself. so i think they're sort rf resigned and kelly is resigned to the idea that that's not going to work, but what you have to do is to kind of build some sense of order and zis palestinian and really a process around him. i mean, i'm reminded of a story lean pan he had at that who was a former chief of staff to bill clinton who came in in kind of a similar period at the beginning of clinton's first term. it had been about a year, year and a half. clinton brought pen et at that in to bring similar order. he told me the other day that he would go into the oval office and there would be 25 people talking at president clinton. and he stopped it. he said this can't happen. and it's that kind of -- you
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have to have an orderly process by which a president makes a decision. and that's what they're trying to do for president trump. >> so even ivanka trump, even jared kushner, they go now through kelly? >> i mean, look, take all of this with a grain of assault, right. so first of all, i think there's -- you know, there's the short term. there's what you do in the first few days, make a couple of weeks here of a honeymoon. you know, i am highly skeptical that this is all going to work out exactly like general kelly wants it to work out in the long run. but at least for the moment is that there seems to be a p kind of jelg around the idea that let's all give this a try and see how it works. and the big question is will it break down, can it last? >> right. and also just the various factions in the white house, whether it's kushner and ivanka trump or steve bannon. that's always been an issue because it seemed like, i remember talking to the secretary pan et at that a
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number of times it seems like they all had their own direct avenues to the president's ear. >> well, and here is part of the problem, right. i don't know that there's ever white housest that don't have those kinds of factions. i'm certain that there were factions in the obama white house. we know there were factions in the bush white house who didn't get along, thought differently about policies or billion procedures or ploechs that they thought the president should take. but it's the chief's job to both attach down the leaking about all of that so that you keep it inside so it's not playing out on our front pages or on your broadcast and as best they can to say, look, if you've got a problem, if one farther part of a faction has a problem with another, jared with steve bannon or vice versa, come to me and we can battle it out internally. because the thing that's been so devastating for this white house is seeing it all over the news. >> yeah. if you can just stay with us.
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i want to bring back in the panel. it is interesting for months the white house has been saying everything is running incredibly smoothel. general kelly is an acknowledgment that that has not been the case. that's not truthful. do you think this is going to last? >> there's clearly a new cher rif in town and all of those details that michael pointed out go to show that, yes, kelly is coming in and restoring discipline and order there. and other little things we're hearing about, is just moving the senior staff meeting from 845 to 800. and putting in a room where there's not television so the staff is not getting distract. these kind of things, the phoning us should be on the staff and not the chief because the chief is the -- the president is going to the what he wants to do. another key point also is limiting the flow of information into the oval office and his desk. that's where he gets these ideas for these tweets or things that he speaks off-the-cuff at these events that gets him into trouble t. these are phenomenal
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first steps. >> he's not going to control ivanka and jared's skak ses to the president. the day she pointed i look forward to working alongside him. and secondly, that he might as well be trying to has sew a tornado if he's going to get donald trump to stay off of twitter, stay on message and actually act rationally day to day. that's not who he is, and that's still going to be i think one of the main akill lease heals of this -- >> and a source close to the president told the wall street jurm that he gives him four months in job. he doesn't need this job. i think one time that the president lies to him or he says that he is not listened to or rpd appropriately, i think he would leave. >> john kelly has probably the second worst job in washington next to sarah huckabee sanders who has to actually stand up in front of the public and defend this administration. but i don't envy this hobl job at all and i think a lot of people are hoping for the best
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and sealing these changes but just the fact that we're talking six months in, seven months in about basic operational procedure in the white house is really remarkable. i mean, we're talking about just staff meetings. we're talking about just flow of information, basically how to keep the president's attention, have no televisions there. i meechb, that is extraordinarily -- >> this is stuff that you would say if you're running a basic sandwich shop. >> a high school -- >> this is how you would do it. >> right. >> it's phenomenal that we're doing -- >> cnbc shows where somebody comes in and does your business, reorgz it with very basic things. and general kelly is even listening in on phone calls,ible, at times. >> yeah. listening in on phone calls. part of what's so important for the chief of staff is to know what's going on. the worst thing that can possibly happen is the sense is that this happened to reince priebus a lot that he was off in his office and didn't quite know what was happening around him. the other thing that i was
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struck by in my reporting over the last couple of days is that, you know, general kelly had been in this administration for six months as secretary of homeland security, but he repeatedly clashd with this white house. i mean, paft of what he's doing now and the changes that he's making right now are born of his own personal frustration because he saw up front and close and personal how the chaos was affecting his own department and the travel ban is a perfect example where it was announced and really impacted, you know, the entire department that he led. and so i think, you know, look, i share all of the skepticism that your panel has. i don't know that this is going to work, but they have to try. >> one really interesting detail among many your story that i think was from pan et at that saying when he picked kelly to be the head of his, i guess, military liaison or when he was running the department of defense. >> his chief military aid. >> his chief military aid. and pan et at that would give an idea and kelly would say
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something to him, like, well, you could do it that way and pan et at that realized that's kelly's way of saying that it is a terrible idea and there's a better way to do it. >> that was actually galts. that was actually gates. he worked for both pan et at that and gates at different times and that was gates who essentially said, you know, when he said yeah, you could do it that way. that was what kelly said to gates. and i said to gates what did you think that really meant and he said well, i think it really meant that's the stupidest idea i've ever heard in my life when seems relevant in the current situation. >> it also is so fascinating this white house just all these people who you're not sure what their portfolio really is gloo can i speak to that? >> yeah. >> i had the opportunity to work in the white house briefly. it's very, very important for the trains to run on time in that building. the white house isn't an ordinary work environment. after about ten or 11 o'clock, often your day isn't even scheduled because you have to leave enough time to be
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responsive to things that are happening. and so you're looking up that chain of command for direction. all of your work product has to flow p and flow down. if there's chaos above you, and there's often, you know, conflicts or confusion or drama, intrigue. it's a human institution. it hurts the entire operation. i can't imagine this level of chaos or uncertainty, because literally your entire job as you're feeding things up is to help one person be excellent, to help one person solve the country and if if that's a moving target, you've got some of the smartest and committed people in the country specially wasting their time all day. >> you know what else he would have experienced this behavior is at the trump organization because this is exactly how he ran his busy for 30 years. it was centered around him. it was willy nilly. it wasn't traenl. he didn't build a strong team. it was this cult of personality that at times was so radioactive -- >> so all that talk during the campaign of hiring the best
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people, running a huge organization -- >> the work resume is coming in over the transom. so much winning, always the best people. >> just look at the disaster he made of atlantic city and those dealings there, and you know, someone who runs things so well doesn't file for bankruptcy four times. >> and where else did we see this kind of activity? we saw it on the campaign trail. it was a limited staff, small scale staff. there was a lot of, i don't know, the chaos is the word, but there's a lot of similar activity. i think what they're learning is that gorng is different than campaigning, and i'm encouraged by the fact, whether it took six months or a year, they have realized that and they're trying to rein in the troops. >> thank you so much. great reporting. great article. more to talk about tonight. new job numbers are out what they could mean tonight for president trump and his job approval numbers when we come right back. ....there was a single site...
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the energy conscious whopeople among usle? say small actions can add up to something... humongous. a little thing here. a little thing there. starts to feel like a badge maybe millions can wear. who are all these caretakers, advocates too? turns out, it's californians it's me and it's you. don't stop now, it's easy to add to the routine. join energy upgrade california and do your thing. new job numbers are out today and the president is already taking credit. under president trump 209,000 jobs were added in july, bringing the total since trump took officials to more than a million. the unemployment rate fell from
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4.7% in february to 4.3% in july. the president tweeted early this morning, excellent job numbers just released and i've only just gun. is many job stifling regulations continue to fall. moving pack to u.s. sa. new polling out this week from quinn peak showed president trump's approval rating at a new low, 33%. back now with the panel. van, let me look at the numbers, they're good knobs. >> they are good numbers and they continue a trend. a pretty remarkable trend at that started under obama. people forget president obama became captain of the titanic after the iceberg. it was under george w. bush u this massive recession. obama comes in and gets us out of that and you have a historic job creation, unbroken record throughout almost his whole presidency and that has tnld. what you would want to see from a president trump and the huge tragedy of the trump administration is that if he had come out and said what we're now
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going to do to accelerate this trend is we're going to do a big infrastructure plan. we're going to fix american roads and bridges and put people back to work. you would have actually seen those numbers go up. >> it would also be tougher for democrats. >> but then he could claim credit. all you're doing now is seeing a president trump claim credit for obama's policy. he hasn't accelerated that trend. he's just main tanld it. >> 22,000 which is a new high and obviously there's been a lot of new highs, even under president obama, but all analysts on wall street all say that at least some of is this belief that the president is going to be taking away regulations -- >> but that hasn't happened yet. >> i mean, there's encouragement to know 16 years unemployment is at an all time low for 16 years. consumer was can the aa 16 year high. those are great numbers. is it a large part due to the obama years, yes, it is.
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but, look, to your point with regard to killing the federal job killing regulation, those are a good start and that will help job creation down the road. >> i don't think i called them federal job killing regulations. >> thatting said as well as unleashing american energy and improving the keystone pipeline. this will go a long way to creating jobs. and the other proposals down the road with regard to repealing ask replacing obamacare if we ever get that done, tax reform, but also infrastructure project would be a phenomenal way to help boost the dmee as well as get bipartisanen put. >> to get infrastructure through he has to work hard. he can't be out golfing. what we've seen so far in this administration is that he lacks the discipline and the political savvy to get this kind of stuff done, whether it's a tax cut, repealing obamacare, getting an infrastructure plan through. again, this is where west wing chaos comes home to roos.
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>> and wall street and the economy are basically just ignoring the chaos in washington at this point. we've seen 17 million jobs created since the recession, which is very impressive. 180,000 jobs on average added each month. again, very impressive, but we have this president who during the campaign was calling this a bubble and calling this a run up to the stock, ma a bubble too that was going to explode at any time. sew you can't have it both ways. >> and he was saying the whole time that these very same employment numbers under obama were fake numbers that the day et cetera gets in -- >> sean spicer joked about it. >> now they're real. >> i just want to say one thing, though, which is that there are things that the president is proposing that would be helpful and there are some things that are just hype. the idea that the keystone pipeline is going to be some big job create or. the reality is that whole thing turns out is going to create 50 permanent jobs in the country. so, you know, some of the stuff i think the country can come together on, like infrastructure. there is some things with regard to taxes wektd come together on.
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but some of this stuff is just hype. >> i'm going to push back a little bit on how great the economy has been under obama, because if that had been the case then hillary clinton would have won and people would not have been looking to donald trump to be their economic save yor. it is true that jobs were created, yes, but a lot of those jobs were part-time jobs because a lot of businesses were very upset about the obamacare regulations and they didn'tment to expand because of all of the mandates with obamacare coming down the peak and not knowing how that would affect their businesses. the millions and millions of dollars worth of regulations that were imposed on businesses under obama hurt small businesses who are the job creators. economic growth, we didn't have one quarter during the entire obamacare presidency where we hit 3% growth. that hasn't happened in 50 years. so these are issues that -- i'm gist saying lease not paint such a rosy picture that barak obama brought us out of something -- >> this president to say if he's folk ugsd on economic growth.
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>> we're going to cut legal immigration in half. >> that's another discussion. that's another discussion. >> brought us out of the worst financial crisis since the depression. that was a -- >> ronald reagan was faced with an unbelievable economic situation too, and you had over 4% rate of growth in a short amountedful time than anything obama did and we still were spurting along at 1% 2%. >> i want to say one thing. when you come out of ai financial crash when reagan never had to face you're going to have slower odds. i want to thank everybody. i switched to t-mobile, kept my phone-everything on it- -oh, they even paid it off! wow! yeah. it's nice that every bad decision doesn't have to be permenant! ditch verizon. keep your phone. we'll even pay it off when you switch to america's best
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a look at a notorious case dubbed after a fatal attraction. in the late 80s a teacher was having an affair with a man. his wife was found murdered. decades later she is hoping dna evidence can overturn that conviction. ? tonight's cnn special report, she'll join me in a momentum. here is a clip. >> carolyn warmus, did you murder betty jean sullivan? >> of course not. of course not. >> since 1989, warmus has never
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wavered from her story. she has researched and filed for documents and evidence she says would clear her name. >> it is nothing more difficult than being able to show that you're innocent after you've been convicted by a jury. all you can do is try to show that there was serious errors in the trial or you can show maybe that there is new evidence and that new evidence is so important that it might be able to show that you were wrongfully convicted. >> as for parole, she had her shot for the first time earlier this year. she didn't get far with that either. >> why not go before the board and say i'm sorry, i show remorse? >> well, i mean, i just feel so strongly that i want my name back as much as i can get it back. i mean, i was an elementary school teacher. i was a good person. i would at least like to go
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forward with some sort of a life. and at least hopefully not have a murder conviction on my record. for a murder that i didn't commit. >> kyra joins me now. it's a fascinating case. i understand that carolyn warmus says she has something that will clear her name. >> okay, anderson, i think we ewere talking about this just a couple of weeks ago. a bloody glove. but the bloody glove we were talking about a couple of weeks ago was around o.j. simpson and the fact that that helped acquit him. but in her case, a bloody glove she says if it is tested she believes that will exonerate her. and that was a big piece of evidence that helped convict her originally in the case. >> the original evidence that was used to convict her, the other evidence, is it still as convincing now as it was back then? >> here is what is interesting. dna testing is so different now than it was back then. and so this could make a huge difference if that glove is tested. she has also spent 25 years in
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prison collecting documents, 600 pages she has now that she says will prove her innocence. and also, we discovered there were sketchy characters in this scenario in this investigation. also, no crime weapon was ever found, no eyewitnesses. it was all based on circumstantial evidence. also, a questionable crime lab was involved in this case as well. so it will be interesting to see what happens, and if a judge will listen to her appeal. >> kyra phillips, thank you very much. we'll be right back. day 13. if only this were as easy as saving $600 when you switch to progressive. winds stirring. too treacherous for a selfie. [ camera shutter clicks ] sure, i've taken discounts to new heights with safe driver and paperless billing. but the prize at the top is worth every last breath. here we go. [ grunts ] got 'em. ahh. wait a minute. whole wheat waffles? [ crying ] why!
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