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. good evening. on the day the trump administration is trying the to get its message trait on nuclear north korea we've learned the threat of fire and fury and power the likes of which this world has never seen before were delivered off the cuff. now there's a new response from pyongyang. a threatening statement from commander kim jong un speaking to president trump. he said "sound dialogue is not possible with such a guy beresidents of reason. he went on to outline yumg coming military, including days from now targeting guam. whether you small it an aggressive test or a shot across the bow, it is at the least, a new and specific threat a day after the president said a threat would be met with fire and fury. it seems to mock the president.
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>> it really did, anderson. it only took a few hours for the north koreans to respond. they were very floury in their language. the north korean statement saying the u.s. president at the golf links again let out a load of nonsense about fire and fury, failing to grasp the ongoing grave situation. so, you know, we have the north koreans and donald trump exchanging insults as perhaps only they can. anderson. >> the secretary of defense james mattis issued a strong warning to north korea today. >> very serious minded in comparison to what we saw from others. the secretary of defense, let me read some of what he said very, very stern saying "the dprk, north korea, should cease any consideration of actions that would lead to the end of its regime and the destruction of its people. the dprk regime's actions will
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continue to be grossly overmatched by ours and would loose any arms race. the secretary making clear he's not -- the u.s. is not going to tolerate north korea launching an attack. >> secretary of state rex tillerson today seems to be dialing down in the wake of the president's comments yeds. >> everyone is wondering is this the good cop-bad cop routine. listen for a minute what the secretary of state had to say. >> i think what the president was doing was sending a strong message to north korea in language that kim jong un would understand. because he doesn't seem to understand diplomatic language. i think the president wanted to be clear to the north korean regime that the u.s.
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unquestionable able to defend itself, will defend itself and its allies. i think it's important to deliver that message. >> the secretary of state, very calming there. the secretary of defense worried about the pro spektd of war. good cop, bad cop? the white house said everyone is on the same page. anderson? >> barbara, thank you. the fire and fury remarks, the president began the day by tweetling about the american nuclear stockpile saying the nuclear arsenal is "stronger and more powerful than ever before." what he said turns out that it isn't quite true. here's the tweets, the facts and the rest of the statement. jeff, let's talk about this latest threat from north korea. do we expect a response from the white house or the president tonight? >> anderson, so far the white
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house has given no indication that they plan to respond to this as well. the president has not as well. this is something that some advisories to the president are hoping he passes on this opportunity. the way to cool down this escalating back-and-forth series president not to respond. the - we do not know if he will but we're told there isn't any immediate plan. of course, watch your social media feed because that is one place he could respond. the language seemed to me to get under the president's skin. we'll see if it does that or not. they did not respond yesterday, the white house did not, to the guam threat. we do not expect anything at least imminently tonight. >> what about the statements the president made yesterday? >> so interesting. the president was improvising. i was told by three white house officials toads -- initially
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they wouldn't say but timely they said he was speaking extemporaneously. it is also -- the white house was working very hard to explain that, look, no one inside his inner circle, his new chief of staff, john kelly was surprised by this, they say his political advisors wasn't surprised by this because he has used similar language in prooiflt. of course saying its in public is so much different. it's hard to know if the white house is coming up with a strategy to fall in line after the president says something, for them to say he's simply improvising. he is surrounded by national security officials and the vice president is traveling there tomorrow. at least he's scheduled. but no question. this is the biggest foreign policy challenge sitting on the president's desk. we'll see what he does with it.
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>> north korea at least crosses the ra toric red line. joining me is william cohen. he's currently ceo of the cohen group. secretary, first of all, your reaction to this response from north korea simply referencing the president's comments yesterday spell out a strike near guam. >> i think it's an example of ad-lib at your peril. when you talk without going through your team so everyone knows exactly what will be said, then you run the risk like we saw yesterday the president indicating that a mere threat would be moat with a very overa overwhelmi overwhelming response.
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let's see if diplomacy can't work, secretary tillerson said. secretary mad is made the statement i think should have been made by president trump. that is to say that you're playing with fire. you're escalating the danger in the korean peninsula, the entire region and if you take any action, as opposed to threats, if you take any action they'll be met with a response that will probably end your regime. i have made statements to that same effect and that is our policy. when you start issuing statements that if you even threaten us, we're going to destroy you, i think i've got a problem in what theory action will be. i think the north koreans have taken it as a bluff and they're escalating. this is a days of two bullies, shall we say, my gun is bigger than yours.
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i think something has to be calmed down. secretary tillerson has done the right thing. i think we have to go from here and put the pressure on the north koreans by doing what needs to be done and that's squeezing them economically than p far more than we've done before. president trump gets kretd for getting this through the security council last week but don't endanger it by saying things that will underconsult it. >> the president talks about people are laughing at us. he used the term repeatedly. now it seems like north koreans are perhaps mocking the statement, perhaps intentionally. did he speak with you about big picture strategy language in situations like this before actually speaking publicly? >> we always were very careful in what we said. anytime you're dealing at this level with a country like north
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korea or any country, you need to be very precise and very concise and to the point and not leave too much ambiguity. dr. kissinger has been an advisor from time to time to president trump and henry kissinger wrote in his white house years said a bluff taken serio seriously. what we have now is something has been taken as a bluff. when it may in fact be serious. we now have to kind of walk it back and say if you take action, which threatens us or our allies, then you will have a response which will be quiet devastating to your regime. we will start moving in the direction of a regime change. saying we tried to work with you. we're going to look at regime change the at some point in time
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in the not too distant future if you continue along this way. >> you talked about squeezing north korea. you mentioned earlier today squeezing them like a python. what were you talking about? is it just the continuation of sanctions? how do you mean by "squeeze"? >> we've been imposing sanctions on an incremental basis. they've been eroded. we know there is a black market and gray market. we know china is dealing the north koreans and the russians. we have allowed the north koreans to do this. they've been developing the guns or the missiles and others have been provided them with the butter. you need to take the butter away. you need to shut down their economic benefits so there is pain that is suffered, with an indication that it's going to get worse, that coupled with more defensive equipment we need
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to have in south korea. for example, president moon of south korea has put on hold the thad missile. he needs to put that -- it's going to have an impact. we're not going to be as good to you in the future because you're actually aiding an adversary which may become an enemy. >> appreciate your time. coming up next, our panel of national security and political experts weigh in. later, the russia story and the predawn raid on paul manfort's home. experts say it's rattling cages in the president's inner circle. should they be rattled, concerned? jeff toobin says yes. this is a car protected from storms by an insurance company that knows the weather down to the square block.
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. breaking news, noirks crossing the red line president
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trump seemed to draw just yesterday with these off the cuff, ra. >> north korea best not make any threats to the united states. they will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen. he has been very threatening beyond a normal statement. and as i said, they will be met with fire, fury and frankly, power, the likes of which this world has never seen before. >> well, tonight north korea challenged that only in words so far. the question now is what's next. joining us is senior white house security official of the bush administrations and cnn chief political analyst gloria borger and mike rogers. my first order as president was to renovate and modernize our
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nuclear arsenal, the president tweeted this morning. hopefully we'll never have to use this power but there will never be a time when we're not the most powerful nation in the world. how accurate is it for him to suggest that the nuclear arsenal is bigger that were ever before because he ordered it six months ago? >> i think what he was trying to do was at least reiterate that america is a first-rate nuclear power when it comes to nuclear weapons. >> there hasn't been a change -- >> i'd be cautious -- >> there hasn't been a change in the last six months. >> we needed to modernize our nuclear capability for some time, so the fact that the president is going down that road, i think, is very, very important for the nuclear arsenal of the united states. to say that it's more powerful is probably a bit of a stretch. so -- and my point on this, anderson, and i just got back to south korea, talked to a lot of senior officials there -- is
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that the president is probably not the best spokesman for that fiery rhetoric. if you want to deliver that message in a completely and coordinated effort, it's probably not the president that should deliver it. the president should really deliver that i'm steely, i'm for our allies in south korea. we won't tolerate any attack on the united states or any of our allies in the region is probably a better message for the president. one of the things that kept coming out of the meetings i had in south korea was the fact that will they just need a little bit better clarity and a little more certainty about what u.s. policy is. this notion that the president is doing it either by tweet or by off the cuff remarks is a bit concerning, i think, to our south korean allies and the allies in the region. >> it doesn't seem -- it seems to be more concern as the chairman just said to our allies and maybe to american citizens. >> yes, but let's be fair to the
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administration. president trump didn't create this problem. in fact, clinton's national security team when they were planning on taking office had predicted that north korea would be their first crisis. this is a crisis that's can been a lock timing coming. secondly, it's fair to acknowledge that the team did develop a coherent diplomatic strategy of maximum pressure on north korea by trying to work with china to ratchet up china's pressure on north korea. the problem is that the message of yesterday which was off the cuff was not coordinated and integrated to that larger strategy very well. that's where i think the conchi. >> the comments from the president seemed at odds with comments of rex tillerson had made before. in very crucial ways that mattis
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made today. >> sure. i think what you saw was mattis and tillerson kind of being the shovel brigade here and cleaning up the bit of a mess that the president made with his rhetoric. you saw tillerson trying to tamp down everyone saying everyone ought to salim well at night. you saw mattis -- it was quite a muscular statement from mattis about america's military power. but it didn't draw any kind of a red line or say if you threaten us again, watch out. it was kind of more generalized. there was clearly a recognition here that something had to be said after the president. if the president had not spoken, i don't think you'd see those two statements from these two men today. >> what precedence, if any, do you see. someone compared what's happening now to the cuban missile crisis in an interview this morning. >> it does ring a cuban missile
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crisis bell. we're talking about the potential of nuclear weapons being used against hawaii or guam. it's frightening. john f. kennedy's way he handled it is instructive. there was an embargo. we did back channel negotiations request robert kennedy. we were able to become stronger than ever. i would also remind viewers, in 1949 when the soviet union got the atomic bomb, we were startled. we didn't know how they did it. then china got it, then pakistan. we never like it when an adversary gets a nuclear capability but alas it seems that north korea has one. we've got to make sure we don't ratchet this thing up by reckless language or, you know, just being irresponsible and kind of back ourselves into a war we don't want. i think history will show, anderson, this is really serious when we start ordering
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evacuations of american civilians from guam, from japan, and from south korea. then you'll know this is becoming a t ho war. >> let's take a break. when we return, president trump's words about power. if that phrase sounds fam, it should. the president uses the stock phrase a lot. we'll show you just how common ahead. but at night it's the last thing on my mind. for ten years my tempur-pedic has adapted to my weight and shape... relieving pressure points from head to toe. so i sleep deeply, but feel light... and wake up ready to perform. even with the weight of history on my shoulders. only exclusive retailers carry tempur-pedic. find yours at it survived 4 food fights,ew but old, home: a one-coat wonder named "grams", and rolled with multiple personalities. number one rated marquee interior.
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. we now know prumpl's threat against the north koreans was improvised. if we know anything about president trump, it's that he repeats phrases a lot. his interface, the likes the of which the world has never seen. it's something he likes to say. >> being very, very strong on the southern border, the likes of something this country has never seen that strength. >> grass roots movement the likes of which the world has never seen before. a historic movement, the likes of which the world has never steen before. the movement, the likes of which actually, the world has never
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seen before. a movement like the world has never seen before, actually. business enthusiasm is about as high as they've ever seen it. we're unleashing a new era of american prosperity prachgs like we've never seen before. >> perhaps we've never seen before a president this fond of hyperbole. it's now up to the dictator of north korea to intercept them. do you believe at this point, what is the best stroimg for the u.s.? because as you talked about in the last break, rex tillerson made a statement which seemed to be trying to deescalate the rhetoric. mattis talked about the military response if north korea was to attack the u.s. or attack allies. which is the right tone? >> well, calibration matters. i reject this notion. this was like the cuban missile
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crisis. the vast majority of the communications in the cuban missile crisis were not public. they were strategic military moves that we knew that the soviet union at the time would recognize as serious efforts. so a lot of that has been happening, that's correct. i think the professor talked about a lot of great things happening. that's true. the mattis doctrine of them understanding we had the right not only personnel but capability in the region to do bad things that oh, by the way, kim jong un if you try anything your regime comes to an end. you're gone. that's the right message but that is a calibrated message delivered in a day that doesn't escalate and it gives kim jong un a way out. my concern, the way they're talking now is that the president says this and then his senior cabinet officials have to go off, including tillerson, by
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the way, flying to guam and saying, everybody calm down here. you have to have a whole effort cal bratd message you're going to send kim jong un. it's sensitive. you have the south koreans certainly on edge. the american forces are on edge. they'll do what they're asked to do, but having the president step out a little beyond that calibration, i just don't think is helpful. the biggest concern i have, again i just got back to south korea, is miss calculation, that the north miscalculates something and it escalates into a full-blown shooting war. we need to be tough and strong but we need to be with whole government calibrated message so we can extract this thing to the right outcome for the american people.
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>> he said the president should be careful. does the president have support on capitol hill for this kind of hard line, if not a red line we've talked about? >> as you pointed out, mccain is a hawk but he's not particularly supportive of this president on a number of issues. but he made the point that i'm sure lots of people are thinking, if they're not saying it now because they're on recess, happily and they don't have to comment on it every minute. but he said you have to make sure you can do what you say you can do. walk softly and carry a big stick. i think he's made it clear that he thought the president got out ahead of himself. he said today i think this is very, very, very -- three verys -- serious and i think he was talking about kim jong un. he said he's not crazy by he is certainly readied to go to the brink. so this is a very different kind of adversary you're facing here.
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>> peter, how much of the u.s. rhetoric right now and u.s. policy is geared toward china and trying to get china to influence north korea more? >> i think there's three possible rationals that might have been in the back of president trump's mind. the first one is, we've tried 30 years of moderate rhetoric and it hasn't worked, let's try something else. secondly he might have been saying sauce for the goose. talk to north korea the way they've talked to us. but third he might be doing the nixon mad man theory where kissinger would present the argument, i can't be sure what nixon would do, you better make concessions. that would be directed to china which could do more to pressure north korea. they might do more if they feel the alternative is war. >> what do you think about that comparison of nixon to
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kissinger? >> yes rvelgs but nixon did go mad by 73 and 74. by the end of his administration kissinger would go in and hear nixon say bomb whoever to bejesus and kissinger would just walk out and go on. he's been deeply erratic this year. suddenly the public's going to have confident that donald trump is sly and is playing a madman game seems to me being reckless, the american public would be reckless if that was our national policy. i think we've got to calm down. north korea has been a problem for 70 years. they're always saying idiotic things. we need to stay calm and work with china. all roads lead to beijing. >> coming up, we'll talk to general spider marks in south
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. the kind of rhetoric that's been flying around from the
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north korean regime and the president it's hard to imagine scenarios. we want to do that in a responsible way, obviously, so we brought in general spider marks. general marks, let's look at the map here. the distances are so close. >> they really are. the capital of south korea, seoul, that distance is about 30 miles. >> from the border. >> from the dmz in red. the capital is pyongyang, a little more distance. this is compact mountainous terrain. >> if there was a conflict, what are we looking at? >> let me go to this map. first of all, for orientation, seoul and its relationship to the demille tarrized zone. this is where the missile development and nuke development is taking place. if we were going to have -- if the north koreans were going to invade, there are two essential
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corridors. one goes through the south korean town of musan. these two corridors vector right into seoul. what you see today is a heck of a lot of urbanized glass buildings, business parks that exist. all these invasion corridors are what we call urbanized very compartmentalized. you can see the mountain ranges in the north, north-northwest to northeast like this. on the north slope of these mountain ranges is where the artillery pieces are located in caves. the worse thing that could happen is the zero warning scenario where these artillery pieces are brought out and they start to launch into seoul. >> launching, we're talking about conventional weapons. >> dumb weapons, yes. >> you're talking about how many missiles going towards seoul, how many rockets and the effect
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and how quick -- we're talking seconds? >> seconds. flight time is probably 45 seconds to a minute. >> that's how long it would take a rocket going into seoul. >> that's correct. and rockets and missiles are kind of co-located here as well. the only thing we can do initially is we're -- there's going to be a blow in seoul. it's going to be hit. there will be test and destruction that occurs. our air force is so capable. what will happen is our air force will make this kind of a motion to come down flight path to go after this. you can only -- after these artillery pieces. you can only attack those from the north to the south. >> a lot of these are in caves, you're saying? >> they're in caves. they have to pull them out to fire them. then they become very vulnerable. >> 20 seconds launch to hitting seoul. we're talking about skyscrapers full of glass. >> exactly. let me go to the south korea map. absolutely correct.
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the two invasion core course are here into seoul and here into seoul. that is completely industrialized right now. what would happen is what you see -- let me also indicate here, that total population is about 20 million people in this area from camp humphries, which is a u.s. location the town of pyong tech in seoul. this is where the logistics flow into the country and casualties and civilian personnel will be evacuated out. >> in terms of warning, if this is no warning from the north koreans and it's launched, people have 45 seconds -- >> exactly correct. >> before -- >> exactly correct. seoul is within that umbrella. the artillery laing range is about like that. seoul is in the range or these artillery pieces in the north. >> when u.s. personnel go
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into -- i don't know if you can say that -- actually, a better question is in terms of casualties you're going to have people trying to flee south. >> you are. let me do this. if i go back to this map, if what we just described occurred, those invasion corridors are both ways. when you look at the mountains that exist up here in north korea, all these mountains have a bunch of bridges across them that we can use to our advantage, the united states and south korea can use to our advantage or the north would want to use in order to go this way towards seoul. these are invasion corridors that we would use as well. we would have to protect those bridges if we thought we were going to use them. if we saw the north korean's coming, we would destroy them to get them bottled up again so we could get our air force capability that would then go after these very likely targets. >> the deprivations we've seen
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in north korea, how efficient is the military? >> the military has improved their capability over the years. there is a real quality to quantity. this is over a one million men military, arguely one of the largest militaries in the world, again, this close to seoul. they are not highly trained. they are very structured, if you will, in terms of their command and control. the ability of the south korean and u.s. forces to go north, the outcome of that would be devastating to north korea. that will military would be crushed. that regime would be gone. >> general marks, i want to bring in mark hurt ling, also wesley clark. can you explain the difficulty of the terrain in this area in north korea, what it looks like exactly, how tough it is to operate? ? >> a couple of things. first of all, what spider was just talking about is a war plan with multiple contingencies that the u.s. military along with the
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republic of korea practice every year. my bringigade was reinforcing. our job was to come to pusan, the small city on the bottom of the south korean maps. unload our tanks and bradlies and travel to the dmz as spider was just showing. we were planning exercises where we were going up with all our logistics and tanks and artillery while south koreans were withdrawing and medical evacuation was occurring. it was an skper size but we practiced that. then, the first time i went to korea as a brigade commander, i just looked out at the terrain having spent most of my time in europe and some time in the middle east and i said my lord, how do we fight in this? because of what spider just described in terms of the spined-backed mountains, the
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deep aisles. there's no planes you can roll tanks across and shoot artillery. you have to get on the back side of pieces of equipment, as spider said. i don't know where the enemy is. they're having challenges unlike in the desert environment. it was a tough fight in the 50s. it would be a tougher fight today because of the amount of artillery and the systems thats the north korea yangs have. >> the latest threat from north korea, they're seriously examining a strike against guam. if that were to happen -- that's a big if, what resources does the u.s. have in place there? >> we'd have to put in terminal defense resources. we'd be bringing in the standard missiles. navy ships would be the fastest thing to deploy and put a picket fence around guam. we could also try to deploy thad there but there's not enough
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thads and it's not like a 24-hour process to send a thad in. can we do it? yes. but the real issue is if they were to do that how would we know that it's only going at guam? how do we know it doesn't have a nuclear war head on it and why wouldn't we then, if that scenario es lacalates why would we try to stop that mechanism before it's launched. this is a scenario we don't want to see unfold. we don't want to be in the position waiting for the north koreans to take the initiative. we don't know whether it will be one or three missiles. we don't know if they're going to guam until they're launched and we track the trojectory. we don't know if it's got a nuclear war head or not. why would we want to wait for that? this is what has to be conveyed to north korea in a diplomatic measure. you've got to talk person to person in a daeptdic way, not
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tweeting, not bellicose rhetoric to the public and you've got to explain no further. you can't do this. you do this, all bets are off and your country, your regime is totally exposed and at risk. >> it was essentially what doug brinkley was talking about before, unintended consequences or interceptions of actions the north koreans doing one thing, we intercept it one way because we're not sure what their true intentions are. >> exactly. that's exactly right. that's why the rhetoric is so dangerous, because when you start this ladder of escalation up and it starts with rhetoric and the rhetoric leads to something more specific, which is the way the north koreans responded to president trump's generalized rhetoric becausewith something more specific and again even more specific in the last few hours, then that changes the character of the discussion. now it's no longer a generalized
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bombastic threats. now it's very pointed and very specific and it demands counteraction. that starts the action-reaction cycling. this is a dangerous development. >> general clark, general hurt ling, general marks, thank you. next, the impact this is having on the trump team next. ck be nib u jack knocked over a candlestick onto the shag carpeting... ...and his pants ignited into flames, causing him to stop, drop and roll. luckily jack recently had geico help him with renters insurance. because all his belongings went up in flames. jack got full replacement and now has new pants he ordered from banana republic. visit and see how affordable renters insurance can be. dj: hey siri, remind me to csiri: okay, i'll remind you.
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sources telling sara murray that news warning took trump's team by surprise and some by some accounts, rattled a few cages in the inner circle. should it? >> you bet it should, i am someone who tends to be cautious and developments day to day are a big deal. this is a big deal. to get a warrant to search someone's home, you need to go to a magistrate and say we have probable cause to believe that this is evidence of a crime in that home. that's what the mueller people did. that's what the magistrate judge agreed to, and that's what happened on july 26. this means that mueller's team believes that crimes took place, they believe that evidence of it has not been produced, even though manafort has said he's cooperating. this is a big shot across the bow, not just of manafort, but everyone involved in this investigation. >> phil, i mean manafort's spokesman put out this statement that he has, quote, consistently cooperated with law enforcement. they wouldn't have done a raid
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like this if manafort had in fact been consistently cooperating or they believed he had been. >> that's right. there's a couple of facts you have to be aware of here. picking up on what jeff said, you have to go to a judge, they're not just here on a fishing expedition, they have to tell the judge something more than we think there's something in this house. you have to prove to a judge that it's appropriate that this move to search someone's house is appropriate. the other thing you have to understand, that i've seen mischaracterized in the press when people talk about possibly messaging from director mueller. i spent thousands of hours with with that guy. he doesn't message and he doesn't signal. if he went to a judge and said i want to search this house, that means he believes it's a critical part of the investigation, and if i were manafort i would think that means i'm in trouble. >> why would people who have been under investigation so long keep documents lying around their house? >> well, you would think that they wouldn't. but here's where the
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presentation to the judge matters. a judge might well ask that same question. why am i going to give you a search warrant if he's had the opportunity to get rid of it for all this time. mueller's people must have some evidence that says the evidence is still there. i mean, this is why this is so unusual. because you have a situation where, you know, someone who says they're cooperating, who's a major public figure, who's under great scrutiny, apparently, at least according to mueller, is still hiding important information and material from prosecutors, and they persuaded a judge to go inside his home. also it's worth pointing out that judges understand the difference between someone's home and somewhere else. they don't give search warrants to homes willy-nilly. the idea that a home is someone's castle, judges believe that. so the fact that they gave a search warrant, that some judge,
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we don't know who it was, gave the okay to search this house really indicates that this affidavit which is under seal, we haven't seen it, that mueller presented to the judge was a powerful document. >> phil, would they have to have specified exactly what they were looking for in order to threat gte this search warrant? could they say they are looking for someone thing and come across something else and can they take computers? or does that depend on what they've already agreed in advance? >> absolutely. if they find something of interest, they're going to take it. we keep talking about documents. if i were looking at this and looking at what the mueller people might be looking for, i'm not just thinking documents. i'm thinking lap tops and cell phones. they're looking for devices that he never declared. maybe he had emails or addresses that he didn't turn over. don't look at this looking about documents he could have burned this the chimney. think about the digital trail he
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carries with him every day. i think that's substantial in this. >> jeff, do you expect there to be more of this? >> i don't know, i was surprised to see this one, especially since manafort's people said he was cooperating. it certainly shows that mueller's team is not afraid to make a big statement, is not afraid to confront the people they are investigating, and if they did one, certainly my expectation would be that they do more. >> jeff toobin, phil mudd, thanks. >> thank you. >> coming up next, a new response from north korea to president trump's threat of fire and fury like the world has never seen, a message containing a very specific threat to guam. also a live update from guam, ahead. there's nothing more important to me than my vacation. so when i need to book a hotel room, i want someone that makes it easy to find what i want. gets it. and with their price match, i know i'm getting the best price every time. now i can start relaxing even before the vacation begins. your vacation is very important.
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