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when the clashes happened in charlottesville, he condemned the names of protesting there. you've seen they how rendous pictures. the driver basically plowed through this group of people, these counter-protesters ultimately killings heather heyer. the president whether he spoke did, did honor her as he did the two state troopers who were killed when their helicopters crashed as they were patrolling those demonstrations. the tributes happened after he called out the kkk and neonazis
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and called them thugs. >> the department of justice has opened a civil rights investigation into the deadly car attack that killed one innocent american, and wounded 20 others. to anyone who acted criminally in this weekend's racist violen violence, you will be held fully accountable. racism is evil. those who cause violence in its names are criminals and thugs, including the kkk, neonazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we thiol dear as americans we are a nation founded on the truth that all of us are created equal. we are equal in the eyes of our creator, equal under the law, and we are equal under our constitution. those who spread violence in the name of bigotry strike at the
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very core of america. two days ago a young american woman, heather heyer, was tragically killed. her death fills us with grief and we send her family our thoughts, our prayers and our love. we also mourn the two virginia state troopers who died in service to their community, their commonwealth and their country. troopers jay cullen and burke bates exemplify the very best of america and our hearts you go on to their family, members and every -- these three fallen americans embody the goodness and decency of our nation. in times such as those, america has always shown its true character, responding to hate with love, division with unity, and violence with an unwavering resolved for justice.
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so, sarah, we saw the president earlier. he is supposed to speak within this next hour, specifically on china. i'm assuming no mention any longer of -- >> this is supposed to be an event to talk about china, but of course there are reporters going into that room. you never really know at what point whether he -- sorbs stewed to see if he addresses it, brooke. i think it's certainly a possibility, but you saw how uncomfortable the process has been for him. the fact he made that statement a muted disavowal, and it took him days before he came out today and read off a teleprompter to fully say things that he was disavowing the kkk, and those groups are evil ant won't be tolerated. >> sarah, thank you.
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we'll stand -- sara, thank you. so let 'rewind. what brought us to this big statement today because it was a bit of a miss. >> that's exactly right. we can tell this was put together pretty rapidly. this event was not on the president's schedule, or the updated one. we know the without put this together and biczarly spoke about the stock market before he actually got into denouncing kkk members and neonazis and white supremacists. we're told by the white house he was spearheading this, and he was advised to speak out by his chief of staff and other white house officials, but it draws into question, if he didn't want to say it, why didn't he say it in his original statement 48 hours ago? >> in the meantime over the
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weekend you get the statement denouncing the groups on background, well, why does it need to be on background? why don't they use the name? >> the reality is president trump is a politics, like many, he was booked into a corner, the criticism fast and furious, even from his supporters. he had to do this today. the initial instinct was to not do this. he's on a working vacation. he was playing golf, a lot of his advisers weren't there. they were flat-footed on this, no question, but it fits into a pattern of how he responds to hate groups like in. some of them are his supporters, all of his supporters are not racist, of course. here's the president. -- as a conditions of market
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and, thank you. god bless america. thank you all very much. it's a very big move. thank you. this is just the beginning. i want to tell you that. this is just the beginning. raytheon, congratulations. [ applause ] >> reporter: mr. president, can you explain why you did not
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condemn the hate groups over the weekend. >> they have been condemned. >> reporter: why are we not having a press conference today? you said on friday -- >> we had a press conference. we just had a press conference. can we ask more questions. >> it doesn't bote mer at all, but i like -- thank you everyone. >> reporter: mr. president haven't you spread a lot of fake news yourself? all right. so let hayes sponld to all of that. gloria borger, first here. that was the voice of jim acosta shouting questions to the president why didn't you condemn the clashes, and he said they've been condemned, and think i think he was yelling back at jim, you're fake news. >> right. >> how do you respond? >> well, look, i think the president didn't want to talk about it anymore, honestly. >> you think? >> i think -- i think he believes he said what he finally needed to say 48 hours ago, and
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i think the questions all to be asked about, quite frankly why he didn't say it 48 hours ago. and, you know, i think if you sort of want to take a step back here. i this is this is a president we've seen over the last six months lacks a sense of history and a sense of the gravity of the job of the presidency. and lacks a sense of understanding of the leadership that's needed from the bully pulpit at moments like we just saw over the weekend? charlottesville. and at a time when he needs to start building credibility instead, he sort of squanders it. and so i think that everybody's been grappling with what occurred on saturday, and condemning nazis and kkk members ought to be one of the easiest things that anyone can possibly
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do from the bully pulpit, yet it took a long time. >> david chalian, what do you think. his statement was quite trong today. he came out and hit the notes that i think the country was eager to hear from him on saturday. so i do think it begs the question, why was that not his initial instinct? what have we learned now fundamentally about the way that donald trump's world view is put into action as a part of the presidency of the united states of america? what did we see on saturday that this was not part of his initial instincts of how to respond, and that this only came after 48 hours of pressure from his fellow republicans, from the press, from critics, wherever he couldn't find comfort anywhere in what he had said saturday. he realized he needed to fix the problem, but fixing the immediate pr problem isn't
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answering the fundamental question about where his initial instincts were on saturday. >> nia, you heard the president say he addressed it. i want a supporter saying why is the media so fixated about this? and basically this and one woman has been killed, but, you know, that's just how one perspective. what did you -- how did the president do today? >> you know, i think that's right. it's not just the media. i have a woman who you mentor, who's actually going to the university of virginia in charlottesville, and lots of people around the country are going to charlottesville and perhaps going to the university of virginia. people are afraid form the images we saw on our television screens on saturday, i think we are frightening to many, many americans. i don't think the president as of yet has addressed that real fear that a lot of americans have that this is something that has happened on american soil.
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people shouting against jews, shouting against african-americans, raising nazi salutes. i think he came up short again today in addressing that fear. he typically identifies threats, some of those threats are imagined, right? this idea that all of these people voted illegally, for instance, and he addresses those, right? the whole idea that illegal immigrants have committed crimes. he's talked about that. he sought to address them in real ways. i think here, people who -- might still be waiting on the policy prescriptions that might come out of this. how big of a threat are these groups? those were big crowds we saw there. they themselves have said that they feel emboldened. is this something that the federal government is going to treat as a real kind of broad scourge? or will they treat it as a
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one-off, a one investigation that obviously of a justice department is looking into, so i think he's got a ways to go. i talked to one republican, asked him, do you think the president can come back from this? and one of the things he said, he asked me, did president bush come back from katrina? that was a real watershed moment. he wasn't able to come back from that. of course he was in his second term, but it left a lot of doubts about his president. his empathy, his empathy for certain groups of americans. i think this president has a long way to go in terms of closing that gap for many americans who still doubt how he feels about these groups. >> that's a great group. cornel brooks, people, of course, have been wondering, testing the mettle of a man in the face of crisis, and one young woman was killed and separately the two state troopers. but imagine a pulse nightclub shooting or something of that magnitude, and you have to
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wonder how he would respond based on the course of the last 72 hours. >> i'm afraid of how he would respond. let us know this -- this moment was not a failure of message in terms of the white house office of communications, but it was a fa failius of morality in the heart of our president, donald j. trump. his response today followed an anonymously sourced white house statement that clarified what the president most obviously failed to say, and it followed an initial statement that did not call out the nazis, did knotts call out white supremacist and the klan. it gave the impression that the president was trying to have his hate cake and eat it, too, in terms of having the white house disavow and condemn these white
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supremacists by name while he failed to do so. this was a moment where he did the rhetorical minimum, but his sincerity and stature as a president will be measured as how he sponges as a manner of policy. number one making thursday the resources are devoted to going after the criminals, or as he put it, thugs. he can fire steve bannon. let us know that steve bannon was the architect of the breitbart platform for the alt-right aka white supremacists. his smear presence perpetuates a de facto office of legitimacy of the alt-right. he can fire steve bannon, make sure that the attorney general goes after these criminals or this criminal, and any others who are posing a violent threat to the u.s., and he can use his office as both a moral bully
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pulpit, but more than that an office that takes a clear stand against bigotry, anti-semitism, and lets not forget misogyny. when they decent crate thes memory of a woman heather heyer, he speaks stott ugliness of this. all at once and certainly hanging over a cloud over charlottesville, virginia. the president needs to step up in words and deeds. >> jeff zeleny, turning to you. michael eric dyson said the same thing. he said bannon and also stephon miller needs to go. what's the latest? >> steve bannon, is on some thin
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ice. this is not a new situation. over the last six or seven months, he's been at the front and then reteethed a bit. there are some who below he is a -- in fact the "wall street journal" editorial page, a friend to the president basically called him out and said, cut it out, stop fighting with us. the reality is steven bannon, there were some who wanted to -- he hung on because there's a lot of allies, and the base likes him, so we'll see how long he stays, but i think the reality is the staff aside -- this has been a revealing 340789 of what we learned about from this president himself, his own instincts, and in his response there, they have been condemned. it almost sounds like, okay, i've done it, i can economic it
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out of. the reality is if you listen to the words that someone else wrote, we need to rediscover the bonds of loyalty and love that bring us together. speaking in the past tense, they have been condemned. we'll see how much of a teachable moment this becomes. i think the president could benefit in a great way. he could bring people together, people who liked him and wanted him to succeed. i think this was a revealing exchange with ow jim acosta saying it's a done deal, and i sort of heard like your fake news. >> he likes to say that to jim a lot. >> it's a reflex i think at this point. jim followed up with what about your press conference. last friday he said he would have a pretty big press conference at the white house today. we know the one this morning was hastily arranged, and he said we just had one. it's not a press conference if you don't take questions from
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the reporters. >> does the president think it's a press conference when he's just delivering a message? >> i've heard rumbling of that from without staffers, but that is not a press conference. it clearly shows what his instincts were on saturday with that very vague statement about many sides. also today the reticence has been criticized, but then he too to -- we no the ceo has quit now the president's manufacturing council over this response and minutes later the president lashed out on him a successful african-american c oeismt, lashes out on him on twitter. was that a revealing moment for you? >> sure. it took him less than an hour to respond to frazier leaving
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council that -- was it a manufacturing council or business counsl council with th president, but took him more than 48 hours to deal with this. this is a president who is never slow to criticize for people who thinking are doing him wrong, whether it was during the campaign, or ted cruz's names, or calling ken frazier out this morning. which is it tells you a lot about the president.
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what you look to a president foris someone that can speak to everyone and saying this unacceptable, we will bring these people to justice. this is wrong, this is who they are, and this is not what we stand for. but his instinct which went unchecked over the weekend, was to do something very different. so it's not a staff problem. it really isn't. it's a leadership problem. >> how does he then -- just listening to you -- david, let me go to you. not that just the ceos are coming occupy, but members of his own party coming out. talking to carl bernstein, he's been talking to republicans and they feel like you can't turn back from this moment. how does he move forward and unite this country. >> i think we saw a pretty significant break of his fellow part sans this weekend.
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i think you will see, or are already starting to see some praise for his remarks from those folks to try to turn the page on this moment a bit political for him, but you don't see some groundswell right now of statement after statement coming out praising what he did this morning. usee some kind words from him, but i don't see those critics from saturday now just completely dropping their criticism. it was a bit of an earthquake of a moment in terms of until, but i do think there's an important political point here for the president, which is he's already at a huge deficit on these issues, on the stature of the presidency, on hi -- 2-1, americans are against him, so this is already a leadership deficit, and he dug his hole a little deeper this weekend.
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it is interesting to see the number of ceos coming out against the president of the united states against racism and his response today. >> absolutely. the reality is the moral reality is this is not about democrats or republican, about blue collar or white collar. this is profoundly about american values. where you have neonazis, klansmen descenting on the university of virginia, and literally discrating that campus and community with violent extremism, and where you have the president who is slow on the trigger. he responds in a nanosecond with respect to ken frazier acting as a matter of conviction and conscience to his moral failure, but he takes a political eternity to respond to a young woman being killed on the campus
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of -- being killed inshalt charlottesville, virginia, and -- so this is a serious moment. it's a serious moment, and it goes beyond anything his advisers can tell him. this is not a public relations problem. this is not a matter of polls, this is a matter of conviction. the fact of the matter is people want to look into the eyes of the president and see character, a soul, see somebody who cares about them, cares about all of them. whoever you are and wherever you come from, you want a president who literally cares about people. what we saw over the last couple days is a heartlessness that is frankly very disturbing. >> it's also a matter of safety and security, right? >> that's right. >> the nazis and white supremacists after this incident, they essentially said
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we're coming back. you can expect more of this. we'll see what the white house -- what donald trump's response is. i think those folks, if you listen to what they say, they see in donald trump an ally in the white house, right? so i think many people think it's incumbent upon this president not only to denounce them, but say to those folks you don't represent me, donald trump. because they certainly feel like when they make those make america great hats -- david duke has said white supremacists put donald trump in the white house, because they feel like his vision of america comports with their vision of america. this isn't just a moment. this is likely unfortunately going to happen again. we'll see what we hear out of this white house. >> you know, he could have said -- what i was thinking about what nia is saying, david duke tweeted over the weekends, remember we voted for you, and all of that, the president who personalizes everything, could have personalized this and said
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if you are supporting me, i don't want your support, period. i disavow you, period, because david duke said that. why not respond to that and say i don't -- i don't want you to support me? go away. >> well, he still has time. he still has time to come down on them, and nia is right, these folks are saying we're coming back, here's hoping that they won't, and what happened in charlottesville was tragic, but just a sole incidents. we'll see, we'll be watching. i appreciate all of you. as we're watching the investigation unfold, the suspect was in court for the first time. we'll tell you what happened, and also what investigators have found inside his apartment and art the police department was criticized for a slow response over the weekends, the governor of virginia is raising eye browse for saying it was difficult for them, because the
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>> reporter: mr. president can you explain why you didn't condemn the groups over the weekend this. >> heave condemned. >> reporter: you said on friday we had a press conference. >> we just had a press conference. >> reporter: can we ask more questions. >> it doesn't bother me, but we like real news. you're fake news. >> reporter: haven't you spread a lot of fake news yourself? >> that was the voice of jim acosta there shouting questions at the president in the white house on the across legitimate. i have paris denard. keith boiks is a democratic strategy gist. and sara sidner is with us. she's are reporting on hate and
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heat groups. just now saying i've condemned it, i've condemp it. your thoughts? >> it sounds like he doesn't take this issue seriousry. this just a few moments away, by jim acosta he dismisses it. this is a time and opportunity for the president to speak with moral clarity. it took him just -- from ken frazier to condemn him, but it took him two days to responsibility to the raci --
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that's unacceptable. and it's a fate yurt on the part of the entire republican party to allow this to happen. >> paris, how do you see it? >> i 100% disagree with everything he says, but that's no surprise. i was proud to see him disavow. why he does not associate himself with these hate groups. he did this with respect to david duke. he said it's a bad person, i disavow, and disavow from the kkk. he game a statement this weekend that wasn't strong in you have for a lot of people. he democrat name specifically. >> was it strong enough for you?
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>> yes. he says -- and that was true. when president obama after charleston same out and gave his wracks, it was a very tempered response, and he did not go into details. he did not name all of those people by name, all those hate groups by name, and democrat caught that person -- and we knew he was a white supremacist and neonazi. but president trump did do that today. he did it, and afterwards, when jill accost that came and asked him about it again, he said they have been disavowed. >> can i say something -- >> and the last point -- keith, i didn't interrupt you. i'm surprised that all of a
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sudden we said the president to be beneficiary shopped, priest, pastor. you go back to past presidents, bill clinton or even back to jfk, there have been huge examples of moral failure. so the president of so the understand has never been someone that we looked to to be our moral leader. >> you can't e -- >> paris, paris i have to -- >> i just have to say something about this. we have a president of the united states who started his political career by attacks the first african-american president, which he continued for five years. he started his political campaign by attacks mexicans, and he started his ascendensy by attacks muslims. he has a history of racism and failed to repudiate this.
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i'm offended that you continue to go there, paris, but the reality is president trump has not done enough. i'm ashamed that you will not say that. >> i am well aware of my blackness and don't need you to classify me as being one. >> are you? >> i understand what -- >> keith, do not go there. i know what it means to be a black man in this country. i know and i experience racism on a regular basis by being a trump supporter and a proud american who happens to be a republican -- >> so that's the racism you experience, being a trump supporter? >> i get ra issist comments about my family, about my mother, about my gerald friend, about my character every single day from -- mostly coming from black people, keith. >> it's -- >> keith, let me finish! my family is from georgia. we have members missing because of the kkk taking them up. don't come to mel and tell me
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what it means. i fought every day inned george w. bush white house -- >> i asked you a question. calm down. >> i won't calm down. i will not be attacked about my blackness because i happen to be a republican -- >> i didn't -- paris, you are going off the rails here. >> gentlemen -- >> you're obviously very sensitive and defensive. >> keith, you better watch your mouth. >> keith and paris, please, please, come -- >> i will not be disrespected. >> you can disrespect the african-americans. >> hang on, hang on, hang on, please. >> give me a minute. guy irs you don't represent them at all. >> you're their spokes american. >> i want to bring joe in. paris, please, sir. >> good for you, paris. >> denouncing david duke like he did in march. >> after he was forced to do it.
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>> he want forced to do it. >> it took him two days -- >> take that conversation, have it off camera. i would like a substantive conversation -- >> he better watch about how he talk about mess. >> paris, shut been, please. for god's sake -- >> you're going to tell mess to shut up. >> no, i'm not. i'm not. >> don't tell me to shut up on this show. this is prepouts truss. >> guys, please, respect, give me a minute. joe, i know you've been listening to this. how do you view how -- as a conservative, as a beloved member of the republican party, listening to the president, listens to this conversation, this is where we are now in this sun? >> i think that the reality is this is where we've been at as a nation for a very long time. >> i don't think this is necessarily something that's new. for a lot of americans they're
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just finally realizing the fissures. i listened to what just occurred, it's hardbreaking. you both are my brothers. regardless of what's happens right now in this country, we have to find a way to fix these issues as brothers. now tearing each other down, not engaging in, i i get ridiculous things on twitter the same way you do, but you cannot drive out hate with rage. as a nations a empeople as a community of people of color, as a nation of people that's a tapestry, figure out how we can do things differently. the reality is we need to confront on the republican side. i think when you have a president that habitually communicates in the language of hyperbole. when you contrast that with the
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statement that he made over the weekend, it makes it very difficult for people who have been marginalized, for people who do not necessarily feel like they have felt the warm embrace from this president to believe he is being sincere. that is the outcome of what haz transpired, for better and for worse. uly inthose of us blessed with the opportunity to have impact on issues, to sit down and say what is our objectives, but then multiple forces can work together to get us to where we're trying to be as a society. >> i want to add this. >> please, sara. >> it's important to know, this fight we're just having, we haven't even mentioned the victim's name, heather heyer, who died as a result of hatred. i think it's important to remind everyone. if people thought they were
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lives in a post-racial world because we have a black president, welcome to reality. now, look, we have a black president, look how great america is coming together. we are divided, and it's getting worse. the words he did not use, and how that affected neonazis. one of the most prolific, i want to read you what he said after the initial statement. he said, trump's comments were good. nothing specific against us, when asked to condemn, he just walked out of the room. really, really good. god bless him. those words are coming from a person who using the most vial
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disgusting hateful anti-semitic, antiblack, misogynistic. he's gone after the victim in this case and these are the records from him. that's how president trump came off to those who believe in white supremacy. words matter. they matter to everyone who was listening, and the fact he waited a couple days to name these groups and say, look, no to the kkk, no to neonazis. we have to look at this. they are taking it as a signal that trump is giving them a thumbs up. that's a problem. >> the question to paris, how can the president -- shouldn't the president, given that disgusting response say, if you were my supporters, i do not want your support. call them out by name, do not support me. >> he's done that. when he said i disavowed -- >> it's not march, we're in
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august. someone is dead. why can't he just go after the people who were perpetrating some of this. >> yes, actually that's what he did -- >> why not mention it immediately? >> that's what he did today. and there's three people that are dead. >> that's true. >> it's a very serious issue, but the person hit and killed by someone who had these views is dead and you had two sheriff's deputies dead trying to help deal with the situation that got out of control. >> right. no matter what the president says, these idiots who you just gave a wonderful platform to will continue to use his name -- >> they have a platform. david duke is the most irrelevant person. >> this isn't david duke. >> david duke keeps coming around because he wants to be in the media. this website, these neonazis, kkk members, they want the media
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platform, they said to have the microphone. keep mentioning their website. congratulations. i won't go visit their website. >> paris, this is about the president. >> and he disavowed it back in march. he did it a couple days ago and did it again today. >> paris -- >> i distance myself. he keeps doing it, and it's fine. >> why is it that white republican senators and members of congress have been disagreeing with president trump's state on saturday, saying he didn't go far enough? >> because if -- if the president had read the statement as written and not ad-libbed, which he normally does, and not says those two or three words that he ad-libbed on. >> many sides? >> many sides, everybody would have said this is an appropriate response, but the media and everyone else fanned the flames saying this president is racist.
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>> you have to understand, paris, had he wasn't spvk on the groups. would you tell not be specific on the groups, call them thugs and be done with it at the get-go. it was that nebulous nature of the comments led to the criticism. the genesis of the criticism was the president. >> i don't think naming the groups then would have done nick different than it did day. it pacified a lot of people who came to him to do that. listen, i go back to president obama. you don't like me to do it, but i do, it gives us context to what people do on the session ways, when it happens unexpected like charleston. president obama did not name him and call him a domestic terrorist. he did not called him a white supremacist. and president trump did -- >> paris -- let's just -- >> i don't believe those
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statements. >> he wasn't talking about the christians in church-gog people. he wasn't talking about the people who were there peacefully. he was talking about those who hate, bits and exercising violence. >> let me say this, paris, because president trump spent his entire political campaign attacking president obama. >> you've already making that talking point. move on. >> this is a different point. >> go ahead. >> don't let me finish my point. thank you. president trump made this whole political career talking about president obama's failure to call out radical islamic terrorism unless you call it by name. here we have white supremacist terrorism, and president trump won't call it by name. >> actually he did that today. that's what he did today. >> it took him two days. >> be accurate. either he said it or didn't. >> paris, let me finish. >> he said it today.
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>> we understand. >> but he said it after a lot of pressure from other republicans. >> even today he said "and other hate groups." he left that wiggle room so people could interpret to whether it's black lives matter or people supporting black lives matter. >> this is what i'm talking about. you never will be satisfied. you can't list every hate group in america. >> he doesn't have to. all he does is have to say the specific groups. >> and he did. >> he didn't have to say "other hate groups." he doesn't speak with moral clarity when he talks about ken frazier or black lives matter. anybody he dislikes, he's very clear. when he talks about white supremacist or vladimir putin, he's not clear. >> he's clear to me. >> joe, joe. >> the message is clear to the kkk and knee on nazis as well. >> this is ridiculous. >> where do we go from here? >> we have a president that does not always speak with nuance, often does not speak with
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nuance, so i think it becomes frustrating for people when we act as if somehow this president is going to somehow be held to a different standard when it comes to issues of people with color, when it comes to russia issues, but everything else he's given carte blanche to speak off the cuff. i think that's dang are you. when we go from here, we need to sit down as a nation and say these of the thing we value. be true to what he say on paper, yes incumbent in that is an understanding that some of the things on paper did not always apply to people of color in this country. so when we talk about these issues of race, we can have honest and open discourse, but that has to be rooted in truth and demonstrated love. that's where i think we do a better job. not just a a party and political figures, but as a nation. we're going to leave it
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there. we'll be right back.
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in the latest power struggle inside the white house, cnn learned the knives are out for steve bannon, he is seen as pursuing his own agenda which apparently doesn't mesh with the power structure new chief of staff john kelly has put in place. bannon who is former executive from breitbart news reportedly has been on thin ice for weeks. listen to trump's former communications director, anthony
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scaramucci. >> been tough on steve bannon, does he have to go? >> i think the president knows what he's going to do. >> which is what? >> let's leave it up to the president, it is his decision. at the end of the day, i think the president has a very good idea who the leakers are inside the white house, the president has a very good idea of the people that are undermining his agenda that are serving their own interests. >> do they include steve bannon? >> yeah, i mean, look, we're not on a phone call, a taped phone call, we're on live television. i would prefer to let the president make the deegtcisions needs to make. >> can you and steve bannon still work together? >> i work with a broad range of talented people. it is a privilege every day to enable the national security team. >> you didn't answer. can you and steve bannon work in that same house? >> i am ready to work with anyone who will help advance the president's agenda and advance the security, prosperity of the american people. >> do you believe steve bannon does that? >> i believe that everyone who works in the white house who has the privilege, the great
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privilege every day of serving their nation should be motivated by that goal. >> with me now, cnn senior media correspondent brian seltzer and jam jamie gangel. you have been talking to your people, what's the real deal on his status? >> what have we known about steve bannon for a long time, he doesn't play well with others, and that has not changed and it's not going to change. are the knives out for him? yes. are they sharp? yes. we know that the president's son-in-law, jared kushner, has wanted him out. his daughter ivanka, chief of staff general kelly is not a fan. that said, he's a survivor and someone said to me he has nine lives and he has a couple more left. don't count him out yet. >> what about general kelly, how does he feel about him?
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>> i am told that general kelly would like him gone, so who wants steve bannon there, the one person, the obvious person, president trump. and what i'm told is that first of all, in every white house presidents pick people for different reasons and they appeal to different parts of their personality. there is clearly something about steve bannon that appeals to donald trump, but in addition to that he has caused a lot of trouble inside the white house. the concern is if you let him go outside the bubble, he could cause even more trouble and the president believes that steve bannon is a connection with the base that still supports him. >> and this is a base presidency, bannon is the one with the white board listing all the promises. >> to you, sir, pivoting back to
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charlottesville, the photo, this extraordinary tragic photo that was caught by the photographer at the daily progress here, look at this. you could look at so much video, but the feet flying in the air, the mayhem, the chaos, you know, this is ryan m. kelly, "the washington post" calls it the photo from charlottesville that will define this moment in american history, and it was this photographer's last day on the job. >> he is off taking a job at a brewery. >> at a brewery. >> he was out taking photos of the protest and counter protest, he had been in the street a few seconds before. he feels that he very well could have been hit by this car if he hadn't stepped on the sidewalk and turned around to see this. jimmy, don't you think this could be a pulitzer prize contender for photography, for spot photography. it captures the terror of that moment as well as that man in the foreground rushing to help. >> that deserves to be in the series of award winning pictures. other pictures through the
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weekend. >> one from july that i want to show. this was around on social, not from saturday, but was very popular on social media. if you see it in your feed, i think we can show this from july from a different racist rally. you see this black police officer protecting these kkk members that are out there protesting, so it is not from this weekend. if you saw it on social media, might have thought it was from charlottesville, it was from july. i share it to let you know it is from july, nevertheless makes a broader point about the people there trying to protect even the white nationalist protesters. and this is two men facing off, one with fire, another with the flag. i think confederate flag. if you crop it, might take a perspective away from the story. you see two sides wanting to fight in charlottesville on saturday, and we've seen the aftermath ever since. >> brian and jamie, thank you so much. can't believe this. i started my career in
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charlottesville, virginia. quintessential college town. to think it all descended on charlottesville makes me sick. anyway, thank you both so much. quick break, we're back in a moment.
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get symbicort free for up to one year. visit saveonsymbicort.com today to learn more. we're back. any moment we will be briefed by charlottesville police on all of the atrocities that happened over the weekend, stay tuned. the lead with jake tapper starts now. welcome to the lead, i am jake tapper. we have breaking news now. charlottesville police will be taking questions and holding a press conference any second after the deadly rallies and racist rallies over the weekend. we're going to bring you the moment that arrives. cnn's brian todd is in charlottesville. we expect to hear from the chief of police, al thomas. any idea what this press conference is about? >> we don't know what the news conference is about,