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and live sports on the go. included with xfinity tv. xfinity, the future of awesome. time to hand things over to don lemon. cnn tonight starts right now. see you tomorrow. here's a live look right now. it's trump tower in midtown manhattan. you see the protesters. president trump arriving there a short time ago. protesters greeting him on the streets below. they're ainge tla it took him days to condemn white supremacists and neo-nazis for the deadly violence in charlottesville, virginia. this is cnn tonight. i'm don lemon. the president bowing to growing pressure to speak out. reading a scripted statement at the white house today. here's part of it. >> racism is evil and those who
cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the kkk, neo-nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as americans. >> here's late breaking news. a second ceo resigning from president trump's american manufacturing council. under armour founder kevin plank saying in a statement, love our country and company. i'm stepping down from the council to focus on inspiring and uniting through power of sport. here's my take. i've been thinking about it a lot this weekend. we can't have an honest discussion about what happened without discussing or at least being aware of history. we cannot pretend that these things happened in a vacuum. they say those who don't learn their history are doomed to repeat it. you've heard that before. a lot of people this weekend are forgetting this country's
history, let's take a short walk down memory lane. african-americans got here to america on ships. not by choice. there were no anyoninas, pin at thats or santa marias. they were brought to be slaves, tore toured, beaten, lynched, murdered. they helped build this country, the white house even and could not take part in the country's success. no voting, no education, no ability to accumulate wealth, no freedom. all the while white people all over the world came here for a better life, were allowed to realize the american dream. once slavery was abolished hundreds of years later, it's no surprise that the cue lku klux took root. they wanted it to stay the same, with black people in chains, enslaved. if you haven't seen the images.
here they are. but at least they wore hoods then. the racist white supremacist cowards this weekend evidently feel they have no reason to hide. they boldly showed their faces. perhaps they feel emboldened or legitimized for some reason. the former grand wizard of the kkk is david duke and he says yes. >> we're determined to take our country back. fulfill the promises of donald trump. that's what we believed in. that's why we voted for donald trump because he's going to take our country back. that's what we got to do. >> by the way, i know david duke. he hasn't been hiding behind a hood for a long time. he attended the same university i attended. louisiana state university. he even ran for governor and for the senate. back in february of last year when my colleague jake tapper asked candidate donald trump about david duke, his answer was perplexing. >> will you unequivocally condemn david duke and say you
don't want his vote or that of other white supremacist this is this election? >> just so you understand, i don't know anything about david duke, okay? i don't know what you're talking about with wheat supremacy or white supremacist. >> trump did under duress disavow duke a few days later. but the not knowing duke was a flat-out lie. how do i know? because trump considered a run for president in 2000 as a reform party candidate and he said this. >> what do you see as the biggest problem with the reform party right now? >> well, you've got david duke just joined. a bigot, a racist, a problem. i mean, this is not exactly the people you want in your corner. buchanan is a disaster as we've covered. jesse is a terrific guy who just left the party and it's unfortunate but he just left the party. >> david duke, a bigot, not the kind of guy you want in your party. if he knew him in 2000, he didn't know him in 2016?
saturday in the midst of the violence when trump tweeted we must be united and condemn all the hate stands for, there is no place for this kind of violence in america, let's come together as one. well, david duke responded with this tweet. i would recommend you take a good look in the mirror and remember it was white americans who put you in the presidency, not radical leftists. so the president had a chance to make it crystal clear whose side he was on when he truly believes and once in front of the cameras, the president refused to call out or call by name the racist, bigoted white supremacists at the heart of the charlottesville, story. like in march of 2016, february of 2016 when asked to disavow duke and racists, it took him days to do it and only when he was backed into a corner. i asked donald trump on more than one occasion whether he was racist. >> i asked you last time. i said some people were shocked. if you were racist. you knew why i was asking you that. are you racist?
>> i am the least racist person that you have ever met. i am the least racist person. >> are you bigoted in any way? >> i don't think so, no. i don't think so. >> islamaphobic? >> no, not at all. >> i am a person who happens to be very smart and happen to have a street sense and i know where things are going. >> as i sit here with you, you've been very kind to me, right? introduced me to your family. you've been very kind to me. when people say that you're racist or homophobic or islamaphobic or whatever it is, that has to bother you or compare you to hitler. >> you know what bothers me? if things are true, if that were true, it would bother me. if you're a racist, you probably wouldn't care. but if things are true, it's so false. honestly, i don't hear it often. >> if you're a racist, you probably wouldn't care. he said the least racist. i'll let you decide. the one thing i do know, there
were two tragedies this weekend, one in charlottesville, the other at bedminster in new jersey. now this, protesters here in new york city tonight. the president arriving at his apartment one hour ago. it's the first time since his inauguration. i want to bring in analyst ryan and david gergen and haas spencer. he's a long time charlottesville journalist who is currently assisting in p.r. and "the new york times." good evening and thanks for joining us this evening. listen, i want to talk to you guys about what's going on. david, let's turn to the president's response in charlottesville on saturday. here it is. we'll discuss. >> we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides. on many sides. it's been going on for a long
time in our country. not donald trump, not barack obama. it's been going on for a long, long time. there's no place in america. >> david, are president sis built on moments? was it just a missed opportunity? >> presidencies are built on moments, don. you can remember in bill clinton's administration when the bombing occurred in oklahoma city and bill clinton at that time was his -- his popularity had gone way down. he went to oklahoma city. he was a healing force. the country rallied behind hip and turned around his presidency. by contrast, george w. bush didn't respond well to katrina. he flew over for reasons that had more to do with trying not to get in the way. it appeared he was totally indifferent. it terribly wounded him.
this is wounding donald trump despite his statement today. for 48 hours, he's seemed basically indifferent. he had later an argument that both sides are equally responsible for the roar roars and the violence in charlottesville. the country knew that. the country in moments like this, judges, president, by whether he chooses the right or the wrong. the moral right or the easy wrong. in this case, the president chose the easy wrong. he was indifferent to the kind of hatred that's coming out of the kkk and the neo-nazis and the white supremacists. it took him 48 hours to recover from that. so today, his statement, which was much more than we wanted originally. seemed forced. it seemed grudging as if it wasn't something he believed. what he believed were the angry
tweets. >> i thought he made it clear, david, listen i have to say that i'm always honest here. >> yeah. >> sometimes to a fault in front of the tv cameras. as i was watching people on this network and other networks reflexively defending this president and i could not believe it. the president said what he had to say. if he had to say something different, he would say t he's done it many, many times before. >> yeah. >> i don't understand how people can put themselves in a position to say that anything he said initially on saturday was right. it was absolutely wrong. there was no other side to racism or bigotry or any phobia or anything like that. it was just disgusting to watch people do it. >> well, you know, i have some sympathy for the people who vp become his spokes men because they're caught trying to pledge
loyalty to him, trying to put the best face they can and yet knowing deep down what they're defending is indefensible. we've had a number of people on this network, you and i have had friends who have come and gone on this network, wrestling with these issues. i think the problem is donald trump himself. frankly, he keeps talking about love in the country and wants affection in the country. he cannot address the hatred in the country until he addresses the hatred in his own heart. >> very well said. april? this is the president today. 48 hours later. watch this. >> we are renegotiating trade deals and making them good for the american worker. and it's about time. our economy is now strong. the stock market tips to hit record highs.
unemployment is at a 16-year low and businesses are more optimistic than ever before. companies are moving back to the you state and bringing many thousands of jobs with them. racism is evil. and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the kkk, neo-nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as americans. >> first, april, jeff zeleny said the president insisted on the remarks at the top of the statement because he wanted to give, quote, the full picture. of how he sees things. not wanting to talk about charlottesville in a vacuum. what do you think? >> it kind of goes back to that very poignant statement that
david gergen just made. how can you deal with hatred in the country, when you have to deal with it in your own heart. that was a poignant statement and reflects the question, or the answer to the question. why did the president deal with the economy? he wanted to buffer it. this is what i'm doing in the midst of this ugly piece. this is what's happening and this is what i've done for you. but you know, you have people who you've been questioned about the economy right now. saying he is still coast on an economy that the prior president barack obama left for him. he's dealing with great residue. what you deal with the issue of race, when you deal with the issue of this passion on both sides, it stands on its own. economy is one thing. he's been talking about that. this is an issue where someone died. this is an issue where people have been screaming literally since this president ran for the
oval office. talking about coe verts, how his words have vibration and the sigh bragss entered in charlottesville, virginia around this confederate stt u, they're taking down the statue. this president could have had a moment, he could have had a moment that could have been poignant and could have really sealed the deal for those two days of silence. he could have made it stand alone. but he chose to talk about his economy, what he's doing and then go on to charlottesville like it was a side note. yes, he did call people out. but it did not rank the way i've seen other presidents do it to include george w. bush object katrina. yes, he failed. he kept trying to fix it.
ziemt doing a heck of a job brownie. he tried to correct him, right. >> to say the least, it's a missed opportunity. there's a lot in there. >> missed opportunity. >> one of the worst moments of this presidency so far. hawes you were there on saturday reporting for "the new york times." describe what you saw. >> the streets of charlottesville were transformed from the usual nice little town to really literally a war zone. we've been fearing it for a month because we had the kkk a month ago as sort of a dress rehearsal. but had no idea what would happen. >> you took this picture. i'm going to put it up of james alex fields before the deadly attack with the car. >> yeah. >> what was he saying?
>> yeah. well, that was a moment when dr. cornell west, the harvard scholar was standing out here on market street and he was linked arm in arm with about 20 clergy and they were singing some uplifting and spiritual songs and chants. and it was -- that was a charlottesville moment or what i would call a charlottesville moment. and over my shoulder, i heard very different chants. people were saying build the wall. get off our streets commie scum. i turned around and turned on my tape recorder and had my camera simultaneously. i was recording the chants and taking pictures and i had no idea at the time that i was recording the suspect in the fatal driving incident. that's a strange feeling.
i don't know if you saw me earlier looking over my shoulder again. making hand gestures. i mean we're all on edge. i heard three loud reports while you were talking with the other guests, and my mind went to gunshots. because charlottesville is scared. i'm sort of scared. >> i can only imagine. and the fear is that, what, someone is going to come up and get you or you're just on edge because you don't know? what's the fear? >> you know, there were rumors going around town last night, one of the planned vigils for the victim was canceled out of fears that it was going to turn into violence. luckily, there was an impromptu vigil that took place at the
site of the incident. and hundreds of charlottesvillians turned out. people from different races and different walks of life. it was very grassroots. you know, people brought flowers and drew chalk greetings and statements on the pavement. it was nice but one of my three kids showed up and my first thought was, besides it was beautiful that you're here, are you safe? it's just a scary time. >> it's a scary time for the entire country. i think people this weekend, david, felt fear and more than outrage. i think people were depressed. it was depressing and sad to see what was happening in our country and then to see the president just completely blow an opportunity to bring the
country together with a terrible statement. the fallout is, one ceo dropped out. the only african-american ceo man on his advisory committee and kevin plank. the ceo of newer armour will be dropping out. he's going to resign from the manufacturing council. you know, trump thinks that he's the ultimate businessman. do you think these resignations will start to impact him? >> well in each case -- >> this is for david. sorry. >> go ahead. >> i'm sorry. don, in each case the white house invited the ceos to work with the president and provide counsel to him. in some cases i know there was resistance within the organizations with about doing this. they did it for love of country. now they felt there are four of them who have resigned. i would imagine that is going to
put pressure on others within their own organizations. business communities are much more sensitive to sort of rights and wrongs and morality today than they have been in the past. with gay rights and everything else. they've been more sensitive. i do want to go back to this -- this is not over. fear now stalks a lot of communities. here in boston, don, word has spread that the holocaust memorial has been torn down by a group. who knows exactly. the report are fragmented at this point. we hear about fear stalking the streets of charlottesville. my hometown of north carolina and durham. there's been desecration of a monument. so this is something the country needs to address. we are not just pulverized. we're pulling apart as a people. we have not -- we've had incident of terrorism before.
but this kind of with a kkk emboldened once again. i grew up with the kkk in north carolina. as you said earlier and sounded he will kwant, the people had to hide behind sheets. they did not want their identities disclosed. here are people without the sheets on the streets. very emboldened and brazen to say, we're here, we're going to take it back. the rest of you people, you black people, people from mexico and latin america, you brown people. >> and jews. go. we don't want you here. we haven't been here since the days of jim crow have we had open hostility being shown across races and ethnicities. >> it's surprising to me. you said you grew up in the south. david duke was -- you went to lsu. >> the klan used to hand out literature in front of my high school in baker, louisiana, on
weekends. we had a prom in the '80s that was not school sponsored because they didn't want us mixing. it was a religious reason or whatever. one of my friends looked down. his name social security john d dupree. i know the klan. they used to hide behind sheets. then up didn't know who was walking among you, moumts during the day did you come in contact with someone like that. now they just don't care. they're out in the open. we'll discuss that after this break. hold your thoughts. we'll be right back. es? what did you have in mind? i don't know. $4.95 per trade? uhhh and i was wondering if your brokerage offers some sort of guarantee? guarantee? where we can get our fees and commissions back if we're not happy. so can you offer me what schwab is offering? what's with all the questions? ask your broker if they're offering $4.95 online equity trades and a satisfaction guarantee.
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by name have a lot of us questioning his motives and whether or not he's racist. why did it take the president so long to say what any decent person would say about these vile groups in half a second? >> well, he has some deep conflict. i don't know if it's a moral conflict and he may be agrees with these people. if it's a political conflict and feels he has to, part of his base, he wants their support, doesn't want to let them down. there's a deep conflict in him. when he's going after you, don or anybody else. it's worrying. but i think the one thick i want to say very clearly and i don't think we've said it enough. he's the father of a jewish daughter. his daughter is jewish. his son-in-law is jewish. the level of anti-jewish vile and just the vile and the venom that you heard on the streets out there was as bad as the anti-black stuff and sometimes each worse. >> even worse. >> to not even -- supposedly,
donald trump, he doesn't care about anybody else, but he loves his family and he loves his daughter above everybody else. his daughter's faith was being insult insulted. he couldn't even stick up for his own child. there is something deeply wrong here with this president when it comes to anti-jewish, anti-black, bigotry. i don't understand it. >> john, some of the president's supporters believe that the president's mini-sized speech on saturday was enough. many republicans did not -- a lot of republicans denounced the president's comments. when white supremacists used it as ambiguity, isn't that a problem? >> yes. don, look, while many of us appreciated the president's statements today, it was a day late, it was a dollar short and it was woefully inadequate. but this president has to do with -- what president trump has to do is he has to you been ee kwif cli totally ex-communicate
these people from the party. his movement, things he believes in. he should say i don't want you. i don't want your votes at all. he needs to have a president clinton, a bill clinton sister soldier moment. he's not had that. if you go back to the early '60s with the conservative movement was first gaining steam, barry goldwater and bill buckley made a strategic decision to completely ex-communicate the john burke society because they thought they were nuts and they were conspiracy theorists and that they would tarnish the conservative movement in the country. they've got together. you've not heard of the john burke society since. what president trump has to do is tell these people they have no place. these are domestic terrorists, don. we're not talking about removing statues. they were walking around the
streets of charlottesville with swastikas. with riot gear. >> listen, i have to remind people and you're saying this, a day late and a dollar short -- >> this is domestic violence, don. you got to call it out for what it is and you have to say these people have no place in this movement. >> john, i appreciate your honesty. the only reason i stopped you. for the sake of time and i want to get other people in. i have to remind people you were the co-chair of his virginia campaign. you have been a staunch trump spo supporter. on this one, you say he's a daylight and dollar short. >> i think he had you until the sister soldier moment. >> oh, yeah, don. >> yeah, no, you read me right on the sister soldier. there's absolutely no comparison to sister soldier and president clinton and what's going on in in country right now. i do applaud you, don, for going
back down memory lane. it's easy for us and people should have righteous indignati indignation. >> you know how people are reacting. the only reason it was that short, i glossed over slavery, it's only for time purposes. i was trying to show people and give people a short history less sob. you can't do it in a matter of two hours on a show. >> maybe we do a whole series. it is important to know from whence we came as was once said so we know where we have to car. listen, what happened to virginia is despicable in every single way and every american of good consciousness should not stand this. lynching took place in in country in the late 1800s. all the way to the late 1960s. this is not a lifetime ago. i can hear nina simone singing
mississippi got dam right now and singing strange fruit right now. people need to understand there's real flesh and blood and new trauma behind what happened in charlottesville, in the area. that we cannot tolerate it. we need the president, not just in his words today. because his words were better than 48 hours ago. but he still has a real opportunity to push policy. don, he took an oath to protect this country from all enemies, foreign and domestic. >> domestic terrorism, white supremacy is real, it's painful. it's in the consciousness and the dna of this country. we collectively have to do something about it, starting with the president of the united states of america. >> joseph, you have been sitting here patiently as a republican. young republican. what message is the president sending to the country on race when it takes a president multiple takes to speak out
against white supremacists and neo-nazis and doesn't get it right. he bragged about the economy first. took a black ceo on, on twitter this morning. what message does that send? >> more realisticl i told one of mour producers. some of you who habitually speak in overspeak. someone who is chronically exaggerating. when you contrast that with the type of comments that were made on this past weekend and saying why is it that this president who is rarely circumspect all of a sudden when it comes to issues pertaining to people's color in this country, some they can not articulate a coherent statement that condemns evil by its name. when there's an issue where some are in lock step and you're not with them. you're probably on the wrong side of history. it's unfortunate that wee find ourselves in this situation where something as clear as the individual who drove hundreds and thousands of miles to maim
and kill people in the name of an ideology that 400,000 americans died for, died trying to condemn, push out, it's a difficult thing. >> i don't want to put you on the spot, but as a conservative, do you support the president? >> i support -- i'm not going to sit here and give a sol so little kwi on tax reform. we're talking about a nation's grief. we have to understand there's a difference in this nation about having a sense of accountability, a sense of purpose and also being able to say when people are wrong. >> okay. but my question is for a republican, when is enough, enough? is this a bridge too far for you? >> i think, again, there's a bridge too far on the issue of race was passed a long time ago. for many people of color whether conservative or not. that issue came with the central park five. that came from myself, listening to a president on a victory tour.
thanking the many, many black people who were there. more importantly the black people stayed home and voted. my father was born in this country and so was his father. i'm the first person born with all these rights. i'm not a 50-year-old, or 40-year-old. >> i'm a 30-year-old. >> and the birtherism. >> that and they're inherent. you know the saying, i didn't vote for him. i hope he does a good job. we're supposed to hold that president stoppable. remember that they're going to work toed the interests of the people and an entire nation feel they're embraced. >> van jones? >> well, first of all, i think that the comments that are just made by our young republican were just extraordinary.
i almost wish we could have a moment. that's real leadership. there's a moral clarity that she just heard that's sophisticated, nuanc nuanced. listen, there is a time to talk about tax policy. that's probably not today. i think frankly, this is bringing out a lot of good in people. you know, often when there's tragedies, whether it's 9/11 or something like this, pls a mixed response and all the comes out. >> that's when they returned to their roots of being honest and frankly, nuance sophisticated. smart about things sometimes and get away from the nonsense would be good for the country. i want republicans and democrats to get better. we've been in a race to the bottom because of president trump's attitude. i'm beginning to see people break away from it. you don't have to denounce the president. but to keek the way she just
heard, there are things two cake red. there was a healthy response to a fraj di. i'm glad to be on the show tonight. >> i have a question. i thad it at the beginning of the show. you can put everybody back up. all weekend, i've been depressed about this and i needed to clear my head. i listened to one of dr. king's speeches or as many as i could on my run. one said don't let anyone steal your manhood. my question was, when is the republican party going to get its manhood back? has donald trump stolen the manhood? has the republican party gotten back to its core values? >> i'm going to ask john fredericks on the other side of the break when is enough, enough as well. we're going to talk about the people around the president, like chief strategist, steve bannon, like steve miller who may be advising this president
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so back now with my panel. before the break, john fredericks, this is for you. i said when is enough enough? when i said, don't let anyone steal your manhood. by that i meant humanity. when is enough, enough? what is the breaking point for all these histrionics with this president for the republican party? >> well, it's not here, john. it's not because of this issue. the other thing i'm going to say is this. this is now the party of donald trump and he leads a movement and that movement is based on jobs, economic equality and
getting out of these wars. but for the president as the leader of a movement and the transformation of the republican party in america, words matter. this is what this white house has got to grasp. this just isn't about poll numbers or saying something or who got what. this president is leading a movement in america that's not going away. now, what happened this weekend, despicable and the president needs to completely disassociate from these people. you got to draw a line, don, in the sand. the line in the sand is human decency. if they're concerned about a 10,000 people in america that might not back them, you got to be kidding me? get them out of there now and you can't wait another day. not another moment can go by, don. >> are you okay with what trump is doing to the party and how
he's dealing with these issues? >> i think when you talk about the issue of race particularly, there is no question that this is not necessarily acceptable of what i think many people of my generation expect of the republican party. you know, i think many people who are older than me talk about we're the party of lincoln kind of until we're blue in the face. i remark, my grandfather told me the power of your legacy depends on the work you do in the present. we're at this crossroads right now where it's important for us to be able to articulate the fact that these individuals do not speak for us. that these individuals are not -- >> this president? >> you said these individuals do not speak for us. >> i think, again, the reality is donald trump is the president. i think we do ourselves a disservice when we sit here and act as if somehow he's not our president. not you -- >> not what i'm saying. i want you to understand the question.
like what is the -- what is the breaking -- because someone can hand me a million dollars, but if they don't give opportunities or they don't think the people i love should deserve to be married or should have the same rights as anybody else or whatever, i don't want the million dollars. i don't want the small amount of tax cut or i don't want what other rhetoric they're going to -- i don't want a wall if you don't love my daughter or mother. if you don't love the people i love, if you don't think they should exist. >> correct. >> so what is it? money is money. it's not human. >> i think the reality is that for some people there will be no wall. i think that's the reality of america and i think that's the danger of us forgetting history and looking at the issue of race through a partisan prism. often we can look at the history, the totality of history and say there's a revolving door. the reality is that right now, unfortunately, that oxygen is found on the right.
we have to do a much better job. that starts with the president and ultimately, it also begins with people like myself. people in the party. people that i work with every day saying that you know what, we're going to demand more of this president. >> van, i want to talk about steve bannon. but do you understand that just of my question is how do i tell my nephew or explain to my niece that, well, it's okay that someone can grab your genitals. but i'm going to get some -- i'm going to make more money because i'm going to get lower taxes. what's what he promised. i'm going to get a wall to stop immigrants, but it's okay. you can grab your genitals or -- how do i -- how do you reconcile that? i don't understand that. >> i think there's a moral challenge now and i think actually both political parties
are being forced to look in the mirror. i think both parties have drawn our circles too small. i think it's obvious on the right that under trump's leadership, it is true, there are a lot of parts of his program, if you didn't look at who was saying it, it sounds like bernie sanders. he is talking about making america strong and the jobs and things men'sed. he mixes it in with a lot of toxic crap against muslims, transgender people. >> against women. >> against women. so what happens is that circle winds up being too small. that's were 3 million more people voted against him than voted for him. the democrats can draw our circle too small and not understand there's real pain in red states and red counties and cities with the opioid epidemic. both parties got caught drawing the circles too small. now the challenge is, to
democrats sit back and talk about how trump is terrible or do we draw our circle bigger. >> i'm talking about a human. i'm not going after you. don't think that. one is a moral example, right? moral clarity. the other one is maybe politically our tent wasn't big enough. i understand that. morally, i'm saying. for the person -- >> on that -- >> on that one, brother, let me tell you, you cannot justify any of it. >> the duration, the homophobia, the bigotry, the anti-semitism. >> there's no amount of money that anybody can offer me you or anybody to say, here, take this money. now batch me brutalize this person. take this money and watch me hurt this person. that's what the process was allowed you to do. you can vote for somebody to put up a wall or chase somebody down
the street because they don't have a good job. that's not a partisan question. that's an american human sex. >> nina, let me bring you around. the people around the president, he's a grown man. innocence i pe rosie and other drafts files for sebastian gorka to go. steven miller to go. is the company the president keeps in the white house a problem? >> it is. incompetent mean, the president has to make a choice. eefrt steve bannon or the american people. steve bannon should never rb there in the first place. my grandmother would say you can put truth in the river after five days. the truth catch up and it's caught up with the president and america. this is a day reckoning for -- this is a moment of reckoning for us. we always have these moments that remind us generation after generation that we're not quite
there yet. i would argue we need a truth and reconciliation to go on in this country, the same way they did in south africa. we've never really done that. don, that's why i commend you for going back to understand what is happening in the present. none of this stuff is disconnected from who we are. our dna. we always talk about this is not a country that stands for this. oh, no it is a country that stands for this. it was founded on racism and sexism. this country was. the one thing we can't say about the united states of america is that we are a nation of progress. so in the 21st century, what rubs us this way, what causes us to shake is that now we're at a moment where oh, my god, that progress, that forming of a more perfect union is being attacked right now. but we have the collective power to turn this thing around. it is bigger than this president. it is bigger than this president. this is about all of us. but he has an obligation as long as he's in that seat to defend
this country from all of its enemies and we're dealing with a very vile domestic enemy right now. >> we're all americans sitting here right now. we want our country to be better. thank you all. appreciate it. when we come back, two eyewitness, a politician and his chief of staff to saturday's assault, they'll tell us what they saw and what they think should happen, next. live pictures of trump tower. protests because the president is there tonight in new york city. knowing where you stand has never been easier. except when it comes to retirement. at fidelity, you get a retirement score in just 60 seconds. and we'll help you make decisions for your plan... to keep you on track. it's your retirement. know where you stand. to keep you on track. which saves money. insurance a smarter way. they offer paperless billing and automatic payments. which saves paper. which saves money. they offer home and auto coverage, so you can bundle your policies. which saves hassle. which saves money.
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rally and row tests in charlottesville turned into carnage that claim one life. i have to warn you this video is very graphic. it is the car that is plowing into the crowd killing one woman and injuring others. unbelievable. then it backs up down the street. and you can see it as people run away. let's take a look. there it is. want to talk about that with two then who saw the violence unfold, tom a former democratic congressman everybody virginia
and brennan gilmore a former chief of staff for a congressman. glad you're doing okay. tom, you were an eyewitness to the awful violence. tell me what it was like. what did you see? >> brendon was the one that shot the video and shot that piece. it was preceded by two and a half hours of violent skirmishes. people came here with a white ratist ideology hell bent on causing trouble, part of a deliberate three-month strategy that started with a tiki torch rally a few months ago and to see people's tactics on the police side and the nonviolent protest side and have this as their coming out party which he were explicit about wanting to be seen, but i know charlottesville will be stronger and how we push back. >> brennan, you captured that
sickening moment, the driver slammed into the crowd on saturday. i want to play it again. but should warn viewers again it is graphic. what was going through your mind when this happened? >> i mean, it was a very chaotic scene as we've all seen. i was there actually filming a group of anti-racist marchers who were coming up the street in somewhat of a celebratory mood thinking it after the state of emergency was applied these racist nazis would be banished from charlottesville. they were coming up the street and heard the car careening down an empty narrow street from almost two blocks away, just slow down slightly and accelerate into the crowd, sending bodies flying everywhere and resulting of course, in the tragic loss of heather heyer. >> after the car hit the crowd and again, we have a shorter clip of -- that's a closer up
than the other video, again very graphic. there it is right there. after the car hit the crowd of protesters, describe what you saw and heard, brennan? >> well, in the immediate aftermath and while the car was still in the crowd, people started streaming towards the site of the attack. and then people started coming out from the scene. there were police on the scene nearly immediately. emts shortly thereafter. people were falling, bleeding, collapsing left and right. i gave first aid to a woman who collapsed in front of me and realizing just how tense and vi leapt the atmosphere in charlottesville had become, i left the scene to go home. >> yeah. so before this all happened, how was the crowd behaving? what was this protest like, brennan? >> i only got to see the protest for a little bit as it came up the street. but like i said, they were in somewhat of a celebratory mood. they were as far as i could tell a collection of anti-racist
who's had come here to counterprotest against this vial ideology that was on display in charlottesville this weekend. >> yeah, i had been. this park for about two hours before that. you saw groups of 30 to 40 of white supremacists who would circle around and go through the crowd and provoke. i had relatives thrown to the ground, friends punched in the face. they were carrying water bottles that looked like water but it was laced with pepper spray and mace, so many of us including myself were hit multiple times with pepper spray. this was in conjunction with a set of militia addressed to look like national guard operatives with full ar-15s open carry, earpieces in, doing military formations to make it look like they were in fact the state officials. whether that was their intent or not. all of that created an intense scene that led to at least a dozen fistfights with punches thrown by the white supremacists as well as carrying wooden swords and shields for some
reason i'm not sure about. it was two hours of escalation at that point before the police stepped in and called the state of emergency. >> tom, the president receive aid lot of criticism from people on both sides of the aisle for how he responded to the violence. you tweeted this today. you said are we open to the possibility that the president is a white supremacist and authortarian, not that he failed to get the statement right? that's a very strong statement. do you really believe the president could be a white supremacist? >> well, you know, it's okay couple's razor. at some point you look at this pattern of behavior and say why is he so hesitant. it could be hubris or ignorance. it's one area he's not willing to push back. he got pushed around by david duke this weekend. he put out a neutral tweet. david duke said you're not going to sell out your white tribalist base and trump backed off and then gave the statement that he did. he still has not issued in my
mind a real statement. he has issued words but a statement would be to be fire steve bannon, gorka afternoon miller and say i'm so incensed about nazis that claim to be my allies i'm going to send a signal. that would be more leadership. i believe it's incumbent on moral leaders like mike pence to say hey, it's their jobs or mine on the line here. this is an absolute moment in our country that calls for that kind of moral leadership. that would be what a statement looks like. >> tom perriello, brendon gilmore, thank you. strong criticism from all sides towards the president. the long-term impact that could plague his presidency because of his long delay in addressing the racism and violence in charlottesville. ...200 sites to find you the... ...hotel you want at the lowest price. grazi, gino! find a price that fits. tripadvisor.
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