tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN August 16, 2017 10:00pm-11:00pm PDT
>> anderson, an apartheid-style whites only america. that's what he wants. where blacks and hispanics are pushed out of a whites only geographic zone, american borders divided along racial geography. and if that means break up the united states, jared taylor says he is fine with that. >> and he thinks that many americans agree with him? >> secretly, he says. secretly. he told me his movement is growing, but they base that on traffic to a website. there's no real membership he can point to. he also told me, anderson, his convention last year was a sell-out. a sign that strength is growing in the movement. but that they had to actually turn away people. i asked him exactly how many people attended. he said, 300. so not that many. >> where do us gays get to go? >> i don't know. >> do we get our own group or what? >> reporter: well, you would have to work that out amongst yourselves, i guess. anderson, i want to bring in one other note. "the new york times" just published this afternoon and this evening something that relates back to whether or not president trump is getting good
information on this or not. and what "the times" is saying is that president trump's personal attorney on wednesday was forwarding an e-mail to conservative journalists, which basically, according to the times, echoes secessionist civil war propaganda and declared that the group black lives matters has been totally infiltrated by terrorist groups. according to the times, the e-mail's author runs several websites alleging government facilities and argues that the fbi is infiltrated by islamic terrorists. so if this is the kind of information that mr. trump is getting before these briefings, it could explain a lot. >> wow. drew griffin, appreciate that. thanks very much. topping this hour of "360," an evening of healing in charlottesville, and the continuing toxic fallout from the president's remarks about the tragedy there. so severe that one question tonight is existential. namely, is the trump administration politically, effectively, over? we'll tackle that and much more our panel. first, to rosa flores where a vigil and peaceful march are getting underway. so what's happening at this vigil?
>> well, you know, anderson, this is a very organic gathering. if you can take a look around, you'll see that there are hundreds of people here, but hear this. this was an effort from students, faculty, and alumni coming together, feeling that they needed to do something to come together in solidarity, after the atrocious events that happened here this past weekend. so you'll see, if you look closely, people holding candles. they also have a song sheet that they have. and they tell us that they didn't use social media, for one purpose, because they wanted to make sure that everyone here felt safe. they worked with both university police and charlottesville police to make sure that everybody was safe here. but more than anything, they only used word of mouth to make sure that all of these people were here. they only made phone calls and text messages, again, anderson, because they were worried for
their safety. >> so they were concerned if they used social media, that white nationalists, white supremacists, racists would see that and actually come to this candlelight vigil? >> you're absolutely right. and the message here is that those people are not welcome. and that's why they only used their inner circle, the circles of this university, of this community, to make sure that the people that were going to be in attendance were going to be peaceful. and as you can see, you can see a lot of these people know each other. they came together with friends that they know from this university. they're holding up their candles. they're going to be singing here pretty soon. they all received song sheets. and that's the overall message. they all wanted to come together to start the healing process peacefully. >> we'll check in with you, rosa, throughout the evening. thank you. somehow, after all of this turmoil, all of this pain, somehow after the murder of a young and vibrant woman and all the supercharged hatred leading up to it and all of the political recrimination coming out of it, the president, we're
told, has no regrets for salting the wounds yesterday instead of helping to bind them. today he was hit with more condemnation, including unprecedented statements from top military commanders and two former presidents, a former cia director weighed in last night, and gop lawmakers. somehow, the president, we're told, has no regrets. he's at his new jersey golf club tonight. cnn's jim acosta is nearby. he joins us. what's the latest you're hearing from the white house about how all of this is playing out? >> well, anderson, as you said, we are hearing from sources the that the president has no regrets about these comments that he made yesterday. but in addition to that, we're also hearing no resignations. i talked to a senior white house official earlier this evening who said it's, quote, a safe assumption there will not be any major staffer resignations, as a result of the president's comments yesterday. my producer, elizabeth landers talked to a senior administration adviser, who said when it comes to the vice president's staff, there will not be any major resignations on that staff, as well. and that's a pretty good indication that the staff is
very much standing behind this president. that's what vice president pence said earlier today, down in south america. >> is there any reason to think that the president is getting blunt feedback from his team or did they give him some version of what he wants to hear or maybe they agree with him. >> he lives in a bubble for the most part, anderson. you do hear from time to time, there are some pretty bitter fights between the rival factions inside the white house, behind the scenes. but anderson, from what we're hearing, the president has time and again, and it appears he has done that this week, sided with the steve bannon faction of the white house, that is more important to placate this very far right base of the trump republican party than to side, say, his daughter and son-in-law, some of the more moderate members of his administration. and tack to the center. he is just not willing to do that at this point. and perhaps it's because we've been saying over the last 24 to 48 hours, anderson, this is the real trump that we saw yesterday. >> it's so interesting, jim. sometimes you hear leaks and we've heard this just in the
last day or so, leaks from friends of people who work in the white house who say, oh, this person is really upset by it. and it seems like they're leaking that out, so they let people know that they're upset. but they're not doing anything about it. >> they're not doing anything about it. and i did talk to sources earlier today who said, yes, there are people inside the white house who are upset about what the president had to say yesterday. but at the same time, in the words of one staffer, quote, nothing surprises me. this is a staffer who worked on the trump campaign during the last election cycle. they saw what happened when the "access hollywood" video scandal played out last october. donald trump survived that scandal. and so the feeling inside this white house is that he'll survive this one too, anderson. >> jim acosta, thanks. i want to talk about all of this more with kirsten power, scott jennings, joseph pinion, and paul begala.
david, from the reporting, the president has no regrets with regards to the presser. does that surprise you at all? >> yes, i would be surprised if he had regrets. i think he closed the door on what he said about this issue yesterday. i don't think there was much more he could have add to it. and i think he's the type of guy who refuses to admit mistakes. and i think his ego is so large that the negativity of that is translated in his mind to unfairness on our part. >> so does this all just blow over? >> no, it doesn't. that's very important. this is, i think, a signal event. you know, a lot of the things that have happened before, were happening in the midst of sort of just chaos and everyday part of a new headline. this stands out like a katrina. one of these moments in a presidency when people take their cues from that. bill clinton turned his presidency around with oklahoma city. when we had the bombing out there and the way he handled that. this president has turned the oklahoma city example and turned it upside down and grievously wounded himself and i think left us with a more dangerous situation for the republic than we've had before. >> tara, do you agree?
>> yeah. we talked about this a lot during the campaign, donald trump's temperament, what motivates him, what inspires him. people need to remember that roy cohn was donald trump's mentor. roy cohn was one of the most notorious lawyers, mafia lawyers in new york city. he also worked for mccarthy. and it was roy cohn who instilled in donald trump during the housing discrimination lawsuit against him in the '70s, when there was a discrimination lawsuit brought because they weren't renting to black renters, roy cohn told him, double down. don't apologize and you sue the department of justice. this fits the exact pattern of donald trump's entire life. this is who he is. any sign of weakness, forget about it. doesn't matter how wrong he is. that is part of the narcissism, to the point where it's pathological. so we have now put someone in a position in the office of the
presidency that requires someone to be bigger -- the office is bigger than an individual. and donald trump is morally bankrupt and incapable of the empathy required to be in a position that is bigger than himself. we saw that. people are crying on air. we had anchors today that were in tears watching the memorial. we had a friend of mine, who was a black republican, was on another network, in tears over donald trump's inability to connect with the american people and be honest about how disgusting the display because on saturday and his reaction was just so self-centered. people are really wounded. and the president has no ability to empathize or take up the leadership role that the office of the presidency requires. >> scott, just in terms of the president's agenda, which obviously a lot of republicans want the see things move forward, does this hurt his agenda moving forward? does this hurt support on
capitol hill? because there are folks criticizing him on capitol hill, republicans, often not by name, though. >> well, i mean, i think it probably affects the inner personal relationships that he has with some republicans. but what are they going to do? they're going to come back to work in september and they're going to go back to work on the things that they've already said they were going to do. they're going to work on tax reform. they're going to try to do health care again. they may try to write an infrastructure bill, although i'm dubious now that democrats will want to work with the trump administration on that, to give them a victory on that. but what choice do they have? to come back to washington and do nothing? that's, frankly, i think what republican voters expect them to do. they want them to achieve results and they don't really have an alternative. i think the more immediate short-term issue for the trump administration is, what are they going to do when the next rally happens? i'm looking at news reports out of my home state tonight, there's a white supremacist there who says that taking down the confederate statues in lexington, kentucky, is an act of genocide against white people. and he wants to have a rally. now, this same guy is already on probation for causing violence at a trump campaign rally last
year. now, if they have a rally and draw a few thousand people and we have violence, god forbid, that's the next set of tests domestically for the trump administration. so there's the agenda, but then there's this white supremacy issue is not going away. >> they're emboldened. he emboldened them. just the example that drew griffin talked about. i just read "the new york times" story. you have the personal attorney, the lead attorney for donald trump sending -- disseminating civil war propaganda -- confederate propaganda to journalists, to people inside homeland security. this is donald trump's personal attorney! it's so irresponsible, comparing robert e. lee and george washington. there's no difference between. i mean, it's insane. so donald trump has obviously surrounded himself with people who are enablers. and this kind of stuff, and he seems to think that it's just okay, which is why we see what we see. it's not tamped down. white supremacists are emboldened today.
and there's something seriously wrong with that. >> white supremacists are emboldened and congressional republicans are emasculated. emasculated, david. i wish you were right. and you usually are. not this time. they are so cowed by that base, you can hear them moo. they are -- the 2018 campaign was about politicizing the alt-right. >> paul, just hold on. i want to tell people, we're showing on the other side of the screen this candlelight march in charlottesville that a lot of people said, they didn't want to put it on social media. they didn't want it widely disseminated, because they were afraid the neo-nazis or white supremacists or others would show up and try to cause violence or mar it. but this is really kind of an impromptu gathering that we got word of earlier today, through sources. and so we want to just show you that as paul continues to speak. and we'll drop into it from time to time. >> i should have said, and i'm sure everybody says, our hearts go out to the heyer family.
and their loss and the dignity with which they conducted themselves today. and it stands in stark protest. and our president did not go. he did not play that healing role that was so prominent for reagan after the challenger crash. with president bush after 9/11, with president clinton after oklahoma city. because when you do those things, president bush, six days after that terrorist attack by muslim terrorists, he went to the mosque in washington and said islam is a religion of peace. we don't know how many acts of the domestic terrorism that prevented, right? we didn't round up the muslims like we did in the '40s with japanese americans. it did a ton of good in ways that we will never know. because it prevented evil acts. this president doesn't seem to get that. and the check on him should be the congressional republicans, but they have not shown the slightest inclination to stand up to him or check him. what they ought to consider doing is a sense of the house and a sense of the senate resolution, that the president is wrong. not just that white supremacy is wrong, but that the president is wrong. they ought to be holding hearings into the very real threat we face by this emboldened and empowered white nationalist alt-right
movement. there are things they can do to check him, but they will not. >> joseph, i'm wondering, you spoke very powerfully last night on this program, and i'm glad you're back as a trump supporter. as you see these images tonight from this gathering, it looks like hundreds of people, what -- where's your head tonight? >> i think the reality is for many americans, if you were somehow holding out hope that we were going to get some form of top-down leadership, you must put that away now. we must put away childish things. the reality we face now in this moment is that there is no agenda. there is no agenda, because an agenda is dependent on truth. and truth only happens when you actually have the trust of the people and the trust of the people is not going to be there when you have advocated the moral standard that we have here in this country. so i need individuals in congress to top acting as if they are witnessing this as we are witnessing this. to act as if they are the dually elected members of co-equal branchs of government. to go out there and say that we can reprimand this president.
to say that we have reprimanded, you know -- we reprimanded everyone barney frank for helping out with parking tickets for a friend. parking tickets. we reprimanded newt gingrich for doing things such as making a mistake with filings with regard to using a nonprofit for political stuff. we reprimanded joe wilson for screaming out "you lie." if you can't reprimand the president of the united states for giving aid and comfort to nazis, at a time when they have literally killed somebody, then i don't need you to tweet. i don't need you to speak. i need you to exit stage right, so that we, at least, as a nation, those of us of conscience who care about this issue, can have conversations rooted in solutions about how do we move forward? >> kirsten, as i see this, i mean, i just think it says so much that they didn't want to post this on social media, because they were afraid of other people showing up.
>> yeah, just listening to you say that. they're afraid of neo-nazis showing up and interrupting their peaceful vigil. i just do keep feeling like, is this happening? is this actually the world that we live in? and i -- i just think that, you know, with president trump, i mean, i just totally agree, he's not going to step up or change in any way possible. and for republicans to say, you know, at least it's been reported, well, we want tax cuts and we need him to get tax cuts so we'll kind of go along with this it's not morally acceptable. when you look at the pictures of those people, the first thing, with the tiki torches, chanting anti-semitic and racist things, that literally is the face of evil. you know, that's what you should see when you look at that. you should see evil. like pure evil. and the president defended evil. and he didn't -- not only did he not reprimand it, he defended it and acted almost outraged on their behalf. so i think we have asked all
along, like, why doesn't donald trump stand up against the so-called alt-right, which are just white supremacists. because this has happened during the campaign, and i think we now know the answer. he identifies with them. >> we've got to take a quick break. we'll have more from the panel. we'll continue to follow the vigil and we'll take you back there so you can hear the sounds, the songs, the sentiment that is being expressed tonight in charlottesville. we'll be right back. your big idea... will people know it means they'll get the lowest price guaranteed on our rooms by booking direct on choicehotels.com? hey! badda book. badda boom! mr. badda book. badda boom! book now at choicehotels.com
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there is goodwill on the part of a huge number of whites now. i don't care what this president does. he's not going to be able to turn back that tide. and thank god for it. i thought paul begala had an excellent idea, that republicans really ought to have hearings up there and figure out how big the threat is. but, the scarier part right now is the state of the presidency and the man who's in it. i just -- it echoes some of what you've been saying. leadership starts from within. from within a person. that's sort of what's deep, are you anchored? are you sound? are you of good mind? and i think there are increasing questions tonight about whether this president, about his temperament, about his emotional and mental stability. these issues are now rising among psychiatrists in the cub. how do we come to grips with the anger that's in this man, the narcissism, the impulsivity.
there's a goal that says psychiatrists can't comment really or can't offer diagnosis of a public figure without having a personal evaluation. that rule is under challenge tonight by a lot of psychiatrists, who think they need to speak out. they need to put this on the record. and we have never experienced this before and i think it's why the military has spoken up today. i think the military has seen, they have four generals in this administration. >> i thought that was an extraordinary thing to have happen, that you have the heads of the branches of service, you know, they didn't criticize the president or they're not going to go that far, but feeling the need to come out and reaffirm the values of the u.s. military is an extraordinary thing. >> they have four of
their own. four generals now in this administration whose job it is to try to keep this president contained and move on and bring the pest out of him. and all four now, certainly, a chief of staff who had his head in his hands yesterday on that terrible press conference. he has a national security adviser who's being chased out by the alt-right. he's having to defend his flank. and you have the other two
generals ahead of the joint chiefs and also general mattis over at the defense department. what are they doing? they're having to go around the world cleaning up after this president in north korea. i think there's a reason the military rallied today. they have genuine fears about the emotional and mental stability of the man in the oval
office. >> and what a contrast to the gutless wonders on the domestic side. >> yes. ceos. >> the ceos. i just mean the senior white house staff and the domestic cabinet. we know this, anything you see coming out of the president in public, it is an iceberg thing. scott knows this, he worked in the white house. it's ten times worse behind the scenes. so the senior staff, they know if the president is, in fact, unhinged. they know better than we do. and yet they are silent and complicit. there ought to be -- on the national security team, we need them. they're able people and the president should get credit for putting together such an excellent national security team. but on the domestic side, how
does elaine chao, a distinguished, competent person long before trump got into politics, how does she take that? how does steve mnuchin and gary cohn who helped run goldman sachs, they are all known to be strong and smart. now they look weak and stupid. that's what i'm looking for, for some moral leadership from the domestic -- >> you're going to keep looking. they've had opportunities. there's no resignation letters that i've heard of yet. the night's still young, i guess. no one has resigned over this. and they should have. people should have. i said last night on the show, shame on the enablers. there have been so many of them and the conservative -- looking at the conservative media and my friends that i've known for so long and it's so dismaying, but where are the conservative thought leaders? where are my fellow conservatives that believed in bill buckley's conservatism. ronald reagan's conservatism. and when we were supposed to yell stop, when we saw things that were not right, where are those people? they are too busy arguing now over whether, you know, the fact that antifa and black lives matter were there and they acted poorly, also, and that shouldn't
be ignored. we can't have that conversation now. yeah, that's a valid point, but that point's out the window when you the president of the united states' credibility is completely shot because of the way he handled white supremacy. that is not where the focus should be. >> steve bannon, the white house chief strategist gave an interview to the american prospect posted today. it was apparently done yesterday. he said, quote, the democrats, the longer they talk about identity politics, i got them. i want them to talk about racism every day. if the left is focused on race and identity, and we go with economic nationalism, we can crush the democrats. >> because they polled that and they said, steve bannon said that before, we polled racism during the election and it didn't move the needle. so they don't care. and they should, because it's hurting the emotional fabric of this country. >> i'll offer one political strategy caveat to that. i do think it's smart to focus on the economy, when you're running campaigns. but americans, i think, seek more than just financial fulfillment out of being american. we seek the fulfillment in our spirits and in our guts, you know, the moral fulfillment that
it means to be an american and the pride that comes with having the rest of the world look to us for moral leadership on all kinds of issues. and so, being an american and focusing on how we are doing with our pocketbooks is part of how you win in politics, but it's not everything. and it's certainly not everything when it comes to the presidency. and i think that's one of the things we've seen in the polling. people feel good about the economy or better about the economy, but they're not feeling as good about the job approval of the president. it's extremely rare. extremely rare for those two numbers to be divergent. but i think it's explained, because we're not feeling fulfilled spiritually and morally right now, the way we have been under past presidents of both parties. that's the missing element. >> i think it's important, also -- i think that realistically, this is what happens when you put a saddle on the back of nationalism. i think the reality is that as republicans, we sat there for the last -- a 12-month period
over the election, screaming about the fact that there is no such thing as democratic socialism. it's just socialism. you can't put a word in front of it and dress it up. you know, you can't have anything called economic nationalism. nationalism is a failed ideology. nationalism has a track record of failure longer than socialism. and on many -- on many levels, it has nothing to do with the core tenants of what we called the party of lincoln. so, again, when you start having these divergent threads of intellectual thought, that are not rooted in the fundamental principles of what we are supposed to stand for as a party, you end up with this, you know, mixed bag of disaster, where you have these individuals saying, i can glean a little bit of what i'm saying over here. and i can glean a little bit of what we're trying to accomplish over there. and then you end up in this situation where there is an infestation of disaster. so, i would encourage, again, individuals who are in positions of power to look at themselves
and say, we have dragged barry bonds, we have dragged sammy sosa. we have dragged all these individuals in front of congress to talk about things like steroids. you don't think that we cannot sit here and convene individuals in an emergency session to talk about the fact that nazis are back? that the right is back? in america? when people are home and they're scared? i mean, i'm sorry. i understand that people feel as if they can't do anything. and i think it's difficult in these times when particularly, even when you're not a person of color, to be able to know exactly what to say, as a person who is a conservative. but sometimes, what's right is right, what's wrong is wrong. there is no lose/lose situation in doing what is morally right. >> and there's a dhs report to back that up that came out in may on this administration about the rise of white supremacy and acts of domestic terrorism. it's not as though they don't -- they're not aware of what's going on.
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♪ i do believe ♪ that we'll walk hand in hand ♪ some day ♪ my nights have seen the glory ♪ ♪ of the coming of the lord ♪ he has trampled out the vintage where the grapes are of wrath are stored ♪ ♪ he has loosed the lightning of his terrible swift sword ♪ ♪ his truth is marching on ♪ glory, glory, hallelujah ♪ glory, glory hallelujah
♪ glory, glory hallelujah ♪ his truth is marching on ♪ this little light of mine ♪ i'm gonna let it shine ♪ this little light of mine ♪ i'm gonna let it shine ♪ this little light of mine ♪ i'm gonna let it shine ♪ let it shine ♪ let it shine ♪ let it shine >> next verse! ♪ i'm gonna let it shine ♪ i'm gonna let it shine
♪ hide it under a bushel, no ♪ i'm gonna let it shine ♪ let it shine ♪ let it shine ♪ let it shine ♪ all around upa ♪ i'm gonna let it shine ♪ all around uva ♪ i'm gonna let it shine ♪ all around uva ♪ i'm gonna let it shine ♪ let it shine ♪ let it shine ♪ let it shine ♪ all around charlottesville ♪ i'm gonna let it shine ♪ all around charlottesville ♪ i'm gonna let it shine ♪ all around charlottesville ♪ i'm gonna let it shine ♪ let it shine ♪ let it shine ♪ let it shine ♪ i'm gonna let it shine
♪ from my heart to yours ♪ i'm gonna let it shine ♪ from my heart to yours ♪ i'm gonna let it shine ♪ from my heart to yours ♪ i'm gonna let it shine ♪ let it shine ♪ let it shine ♪ let it shine ♪ this land is your land ♪ this land is my land ♪ from california to the new york island ♪ ♪ from the redwood forests to the gulf stream waters ♪ ♪ this land was made for you and me ♪ ♪ yes, i was walking ♪ through the highway, i saw a above me an endless skyway ♪ ♪ i saw below me that northern valley ♪
♪ this land was made for you and me ♪ ♪ this land is your land ♪ this land is my land ♪ from california to the new york island ♪ ♪ from the redwood forests ♪ to the gulf stream waters ♪ this land was made for you and me ♪ ♪ i've broke and rambled and followed my footsteps ♪ ♪ to the sparkling sands of diamond rivers ♪ ♪ and all around me, this land a voice was sounding, this land was made for you and me ♪ ♪ this land is your land ♪ this land is my land ♪ from california to the new york islands ♪ ♪ from the redwood forests
♪ to the gulf stream waters ♪ this land was made for you and me ♪ >> few have felt sadness and loneliness over the last several days, these images and these sounds certainly, i hope, tonight give you some hope, as they give certainly me hope for the future of all of us in this extraordinary country of ours. hundreds, perhaps more than a thousand or so people gathered in charlottesville. we're told this rally wasn't announced on social media. it was simply done by word of mouth, because of fear of who might show up, what white nationalists or neo-nazis, people with hate in their hearts, might show up. clearly, tonight, there are hundreds, if not, as i said, more than a thousand or so, it's hard to tell, people there with very little if any hate in their hearts.
this is a rally to replace love with hate and they are certainly doing that tonight. replace hate with love, i should say. it's an extraordinary scene, and it's certainly, given the images we've seen over the last call of days, it's certainly a sign of hope. >> to me, this is the real america. >> yes. >> i think these people speak for far more. these neo-nazis are a fringe group. they hate, but we far outnumber them. the people that are in that crowd far outnumber. that's why ultimately, this is going to come out okay. >> we were talking before the break, though, talking about steve bannon, talking about as long as the democrats are talking about racial issues, that he'll be winning. i think we like to think this is what everybody is like, but one of the things we are learning with donald trump, that he has a lot of followers who are willing to at least stand by him while he does these kinds of things. and to me, that's what's been
most alarming about this. you think it's 2017 and you think we're past this. and yet, i won't be at all surprised if the next approval rating comes out and he still has a lot approval among republicans. and look, he was sending messages to alt-right, you know, the white supremacists during the election, and people still stood by him. you know, so i think we've seen sort of the best of us and the worst of us, in the last couple of days. and we want to think that this is it. that there still seems to be -- where are the evangelical leaders condemning -- >> that is an extraordinary thing. not one of them has resigned -- >> jerry falwell jr. actually defended him. he tweeted out a tweet defending him. this is a significant part of our population -- >> there have been some, dr. russell moore who has been very vocal -- >> but he was very anti-trump from the beginning. where are the ones that supported donald trump coming out and condemning this? >> remember the letter from the birmingham jail from dr. martin luther king talking about the pastors who refused to come over for so long.
they're not necessarily on the cutting edge on issues like this. >> they have a higher power to answer to for their hypocrisy on this than any poll number or electorate. but, you know, ronald reagan said that all great change in america starts at the dinner table. and i think what we're seeing, what he means by that is that we as individuals are -- we are really in control of where our country goes. we elect our leaders. we hold them accountable. we stand up. and we -- at times like this, we come together and the best of us comes out. and i think it's so important for people to see this. because, there is so much despair. so much despair going on in this country, that people need to see that we are capable of being civilized, of being good people. and that despite what's going on in washington, despite what's going on with donald trump, and his inability to lead, that we as the american people, it starts with us. ultimately, it begins and ends with us as americans. so i'm happy to see that.
>> i am, but what a tragic commentary that what, almost 60 years after john lewis put his life on the line on the independence bridge and so many others, murdered in mississippi. so many people, when we were babies, or not even born in your case, tara, put their bodies and lives on the line. and i have to say, until this week, i thought that time was in our past. and, you know, what a thrill for me to be able to introduce my children to john lewis, explain to them what mr. lewis represents. now i see this as, father, i'm loading my son in a car friday and driving him to charlottesville to go to the university of virginia for his second year. i have friends who teach there. he texted me and saying, they did in fact text all the students and said, don't talk about this on social media, but come out. we're now back to putting our bodies on the line. that's what heather heyer did. she put her body on the line in front of a white supremacist and gave her life for the values that we all hold as americans. and i have to say, it's humbling
to see the heyer family at that service and the sacrifice they've laid on the altar of liberty. but it's also depressing to realize that in the 21st century, there are still heather heyers who have to do that. and these young people, they know what they're doing. they know that there is a risk, a real risk to their physical person, as young people. and they're going out there, anyway. and it's real courage. >> they have more courage than the president of the united states or the members of the republican party that are not coming out and they should, you know, participating in these. republican members of congress should be taking a stand like this. >> joseph, when you were watching this, what'd you think? >> i mean, it's -- it's completely demoralizing, as an american. you know, steve bannon wants to talk about identity politics. we have one identity right now as americans. race has always been a real thing.
but to think that anybody really, truly thought that you'd be sitting here listening to spirituals in 2017, i think that, you know, the most overused dr. king quote is that the arc of the universe is long, but it bends towards justice. the hidden subtext for that is only if we make it so. and so, it is incumbent on all of us to remember and honor heather. to honor what she has done. to honor the sacrifice that her family has made. but also to -- what you were saying, to connect that to, you know, to andrew goodman. to connect that to michael swerdlick, to commit that those were two jewish individuals in 1964 that were buried in the mud just next to james carney. >> the anniversary was just last week or two weeks ago. >> so all of us need to take a step back. i don't care if you're a
republican, a democrat, i don't care if you're an individual who believes in #blacklivesmatter. to understand that the blood that pays for liberty comes from people of all ethnicities. and it is incumbent on all of us to understand that we have a shared responsibility to speak truth to power. we have a shared responsibility to say, as one nation, that this is unacceptable. i don't care if i voted for you. i don't care if i didn't vote for you. but we are not going to tolerate people who give aid and comfort to the banality of evil. >> let's listen in.
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charlottesville tonight, they are observing a moment of silence for the three lives lost on saturday. let's listen. >> thank you. i have been asked to share a poem with all of you tonight that will allow us -- >> we're continuing the conversation that the tragedy there has brought to the forefront and this is another aspect of it. more and more cities are grappling with the question, do confederate monuments enshrine hate or preserve heritage. last night the mayor of baltimore went ahead with plans to, quote, quickly and quietly remove four confederate statues in the city. cranes and trucks were used to haul away the monuments. katherine pew, the mayor of baltimore, joins us now. mayor pugh, first of all, as we continue to watch the candlelight vigil in charlottesville, i know you were listening to the sounds of people singing earlier. what goes through your mind when you hear that? >> well, my heart and my soul goes out to the lives that were lost, and lost because of the hatred that exists in this nation. and when i think about having to remove the statues, you know, we
removed them because it was necessary, but because the violence that's occurring in this country and the discussions over why they should exist and why they shouldn't are discussions that we should not really be having and certainly should not include the loss of life. and so i had conversations with mayor landrieu of new orleans back in june at the u.s. conference of mayors. and i said to people, if you have not heard a speech more riveting that gives us real reasons to look at why we should remove those statues. and i felt that we didn't need to hear anymore speeches. that it was time for action. and so, i had laid out a plan before the city council on monday, because i had discussions with contractors and so forth to help me to remove these statues from the eyesight of the people of baltimore city, because we, too, are a city in need of much healing, going through a consent decree at our last stage, where we will be
selecting our monitor. we've got a lot of work to do in baltimore. and this distraction for us was certainly not something we wanted to see. this is a very painful situation that we're all seeing now on our screens. what happened in charlottesville. >> the idea of doing it in the night, was that for -- just to avoid any potential incident? >> well, not just that. i just thought it would be, you know, for me, it was not about pomp and circumstance. one of the statues took 45 minutes to unhitch by one took nearly 2.5 hours to unhitch. so to be able to do that at that time of the evening, i think almost morning, because i've
been up since 5:00 a.m. on yesterday morning was definitely, in my opinion the right thing to do. as a mayor i think you have the respond to protect the citizens of your city and at the same time not to invite negativity into your communities. it was my opinion we were doing the right thing at the right time. >> mayor i appreciate your time tonight. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> i want to go back to the rally right now and listen in. >> thank you for bringing peace back. and as we -- >> in a moment we'll hear from two young women that were in the car that the attacker smashed his own car into killing heather heyer and injuring 19 other people. we'll continue bringing images from the candle light vigil and speak to the two women, ahead. day 13. if only this were as easy as saving $600
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t tai, you were both in the car that was struck by the car you seen in the video. can you just walk me through what happened? pause you only happened to be in the area by chance, i understand? >> yes, i remember we were surrounded by people, it was people all around us and we were just amazed looking at all these people. and i remember a guy coming to my window telling me thank you for your patience. and i'd say two minutes, not even two minutes later my head was in my steering wheel. my vision had kind of wen out. i was seeing circles in my eyes. i saw a woman tumbling down on my windshield and just laying there. i kind of like, closed my eyes because i didn't know what i was seeing was real because i just trying to -- [no audio].
>> -- you who had been injured. >> oh my gosh, yes. there were people in every direction of me injured. in particularly, i remember heather heyer being on the ground near the back of my sister's car. >> you actually saw her? >> and i just remember -- i actually saw her, plrp emtings all around her but i remember particularly the emt that was giving her cpr at the time. he was using all of his might, all of his force to try and revive her. i could tell they were really
really struggling in that moment. i could see her body moving from, you know lifting off of the ground because he's putting all of his strength to the cpr, you know trying to revive here. >> tai, i understand looking back on this you actually thought there may have been a reason you were there. >> i do because, of me trying to get home, you know, i could have chose to go all way around to get home but i was just trying to take the shortcut back so i won't have to go all way around and every shortcut i had to take it was a detour, a detour that led us right to that spot. and i truly believe that god put us there to not only to -- put us there because he knew he would save our life but to put us there because he had to save a whole bunch of other people's life. i strongly believe if my car didn't stop most of that impact
it would have been way more people injured or killed. >> had that driver not plowed into your car you think he would have plowed more into the crowd and injured more people? >> absolutely. >> i actually do. because if you see the video the people are coming to the size of the car and on the sides of car and sides of the sidewalk because you have a van and my car there. if my car wasn't there, the people would have been in the middle of the road and the driver who plowed into the crowd would have had way more space and opportunity to hit way more people. >> when you wen home obviously you saw what happened on the news and you actually saw the video of your car being rammed. what was that like to actually see it from that perspective? >> i think when i saw the video, it was so real, and it
actually -- it actually made me see -- feel -- it actually made me feel even more afraid to know -- to see someone going so fast and hit my car and just people flying out the way, scattering trying to get out the way and how the car just kept going. it's very frightening to know something like this is going on in our society. it's very frightening to know you can be sitting at a stop sign and your life is in danger. it just made me feel very afraid, it made me feel racism is still here. it made me feel i'm alive and i survived. >> tai and micah i appreciate your strength and words and thank you so much for talking with us. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> before we go tonight, i want to show you one more moment from the march and vigil tonight in