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we're going to start with breaking news. a major american business executive slamming president trump for his response to the deadly violence in charlottesville, virginia. this is cnn tonight. i'm don lemon. james murdock, the ceo of 21st century fox saying the events in charlottesville and the president's reaction should concern all americans and he's backing up his words with strong action. i want to go right away to jonathan green, a ceo and ambassador nicolas burns. a former undersecretary of state for political affairs. i'm so happy that you're here, both of you. jonathan, i'm glad that you're
here tonight because rupert murdock, who is the ceo -- james murdock, i should say is the ceo of fox, the son of conservative rupert murdock is pledging to donate $1 million to your organization, the antidefamation league. you spoke to him. what's your reaction? >> i'm certainly humbled by james's generosity. it's an the n credibly bold thing to do. when he has a particular set of corporate interests to play. he's an american and what we saw in charlottesville and the reaction of the past week has been in contrast to our core american values. >> so when you get james murdock on the phone, what did you think? >> well, i've gotten a lot of these calls over the past week, to be honest, don. we got calls in advance of the
march. we got calls literally over the weekend with people saying how is this happening in my country that there's a debate over nazis marching in the streets? >> and it was somehow leaked, right? >> james stepped forward and said we want to do something, he and his wife, catherine. he not only extepded to me he would be making a contribution, he made a personal private note to his friends that basically said how upset that they were and encouraging people to take action. >> and it's been reported and cnn obtained murdock's email. it says we watched this last week -- "we watched this last week in charlottesville and the reaction by the president of the united states concerns all of us as americans and free people. i can't even believe i have to write this. standing up to nazis is essential. there are no good nazis or
klansman or terrorists. democrats, republicans and others must all agree on this and it compromises nothing for them to do so. ambassador, what do you make of this alignment of business and political leaders on this president's response? coming from the ceo of 21st century fox, which is a conservative leaning news organization and him writing that saying no good nazis. i think that's in direct response to saying there were fine people in the crowd. >> well, i think this is an extraordinary moment in american politics. i can't remember a time -- my first time was the it jimmy carter administration. i can't remember a time when a president in one week has lost the support of his own political party and been repudiated by that party and now the most important business leaders of the country to have three of his
business counsels disbanded and it's because he's lost his bearings and shown incredible moral weakness. on the central issue that we're built around this noble idea of human equality and he's rewriting the history of our country. he doesn't know the history of the civil war. he is confusing things and showing moral cowardess and paying the consequences for it. >> explain to me when you say he's lost his bearings, what do you mean? >> imagine an american president in the 21st century trying to drag us back into the conflict over the civil war of what it meant, of why the war was fought, of why we should not have memorials to confederate generals because they tried to disband the country, they rebelled against the union and obviously people thought the conflict ended in 1865 and donald trump now brings us back
to the central issues of that war and doesn't speak against neo-nazis and white supremacy after everything martin luther king did and the civil rights act. he's dragging us back on the central issues of the country's history. of a bitter time. >> and we won that one. >> and we won that too. >> i want both of you to listen to this. i don't think this is played enough. i know you see it but every time i'm struck like it's the first time. here they are. jews will not replace us. jews will not replace us. jews will not replace us. >> you know what -- 2017 i can't believe this is happening in the united states and talk to me about the kind of anti-semitism we're seeing in this country.
>> today is the 122nd anniversary of the lynching of leo frank, this hateful anti-semitic murder after this man was falsely accused of killing a young girl. but here's the thing. we will replace those people. we will replace their inhumanity with humanity. wewill replace their indecency with decency. jews, african american, latino, white folks, people across all races, all faiths, all sexual orientations. that kind of prejudice, not only has no place in our politics. it has no place in the public. >> as i was watching the coverage over the weekend and it was just disgusting to me and i threat be known people were reflectively making excuses for this president. and what i thought was sadly lacking in a lot of the coverage was the anti-semitic stuff, there was no one standing up for
my jewish brothers and sisters because this was more than just black and white. people in this election and now days don't tend to prioritize or put in a high enough priority, racism or bigotry of any kind. money and economics seem to mean more than those issues. what's going on? >> it's funny. as a jewish community we've achieved in so many ways. we've exceeded the expectation of our parents and grandparents. but when you hear that kind of rhetoric which is lifted right out of the pages of nazi germany, it's a reminder that our position is precarious and ewoo can't take it for granted. >> he mentioned the monuments and him not understanding the history of the country. we talked about how germany has wrestled with this issue and doing a better job at it than us here in the united states. >> it would appear that way. my friend has talked a great deal about how germany has
wrestled to the ground the ghosts of its nazi past. we have failed to do that, particularly in the south with our confederate past. the time to do so is now. >> because people are afraid to dus cusit and if you talk about, you're a race baiter. unless you teach people history -- it talks about how elementary school children have to go visit the holocaust. should we do that where you have to go to a plantation, you have to visit slave cabins, you have to go to a cotton field to understand the history of this country? >> he said those who don't understand history are doomed to repeat it. there's no doubt we have to have this. >> ambassador. >> we've got to learn the history, we got to teach the kids the history. in england where i live, if aio look at many of the graves of the soldiers who fought in the
civil war and they say he fought in the war of the rebellion. it was a rebellion against our union. it's the central event in the history of the united states. every child in this country has to learn that history to be a citizen and to understand the moral weakness, the depravity of what president trump is trying to do in his idiotic statements this week. >> and pun intended. we cannot white wash history. we cannot teach people things about robert e. lee or confederacy or southern pride that aren't true because then you continue to perpetuate a lie and then you have these racists marching in cities like they are now. >> and president trump tweeted out this morning if we take down the statues of lee and stonewall jackson, who's next, he said? washington and jefferson? washington and jefferson, the first and third presidents preserved the union. they didn't try to take the
union down and divide it and end it. and that's exactly what the confederacy tried to do to the union over four years. it was the most horrible war we've ever fought in. more americans died in that war than all the others fought together. if you look at the films of ken burns, ken says for the great majority of all the films he's made, race is at the center of it. so for the president not to show moral leadership, he's abdicating the clear responsibility he has to all of us to lead us to a better place and he's leading us to a worse place this week. >> i think ken is right. he's abdicated his moral leadership but he can't wait. i can tell you we are not going to wait. we're working with business executives. we're working now with mayors and have big news coming out on that front. interfaith clergy, other nonprofits, the country can't wait for a president who just
doesn't seem to get it. >> i want to play this. this is also from vice and this is specifically about the president's jewish son in law, daughter and grandchildren. watch this. >> i'm here to spread ideas, talk in the hopes that somebody more capable will come along and do that, somebody like donald trump who does not give his daughter to a jew. >> so donald trump but like more racist. >> a lot more racist than donald trump. i don't think you could feel about race the way i do and watch that kushner bastard walk around with that beautiful girl. >> look, it is inexplicable we're talking about this in the year 2016. i cannot believe nazis have exceeded the table of national conversation. so to the question of jews will not replace us, we will replace them. >> this is aimed specifically at the president's family. so his response is inexplicable.
except for one tweet, right, jared and ivanka have said nothing. i think the week before they may have been in croatia and the week after i know for a fact they were in vermont. they're senior advisors, what's going on with them? >> i worked -- i've worked in the west wing. i don't really know how you get that -- i never had that leisure schedule myself. >> silence speaks volumes. thanks, appreciate it. when we come back, president trump's remarks about charlottesville are starkly similar from different eras like the jim crowe era. when i needed to create a better visitor experience. improve our workflow. attract new customers. that's when fastsigns recommended fleet graphics. yeah! now business is rolling in. get started at fastsigns.com.
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two key republican senators calling output's response to the deadly violence in charlottesville, virginia and calling him out by name, questioning his abilities to lead the nation, due the president's insistence that both sides, the white supremacists and counterprotesters are to blame for the violence. >> the president has not yet -- has not yet been able to demonstrate the stability, confidence that he needs to demonstrate in order to be successful. >> what we want to see from our president is clarity and moral authority and that moral authority is compromised when
tuesday happens. there's no question about that. >> joining me now professor of linguistics and author of "words on the move." a lot of words moving around, john. especially lately. the president's comments on charlottesville really evolved since it happened. let's look and then we'll discuss it. >> we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides. racism is evil and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs. including the kkk, neo-nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that are repuginant to everything we hold dear as americans. i think there's blame on both sides. you look at both sides, i think
there's blame on both sides and i don't have any doubt about it and you don't have any doubt about it either. >> what do you think, john? >> i think what we're dealing with is something weevl rr talked about before. the way to understand the man is to the understand him as a gum popping 12-year-old. not even 14. 12. that's how much context he has. he understands racism is bad. a 12-year-old understands that. but he also doesn't like this thing he's calling the alt-left because they don't like him and so when he thinks about the people that are really egregious, he thinks people who are racist and want to hurt people, of course that's not good, just like i shouldn't punch one of my friends but on the other hand he doesn't like the leftd because they don't like him and he finds them shrill so it has to be both sides. i'm suppose tod say that he is a racist to himself and he's dog
whistling to a certain element of the electorate, etc. i think that it gives him more credit as a thinking being than is necessary. steve bannon has told him to watch out and he's probably got that in his ear and so he thinks well, my job is to not step on those people and he wouldn't want to anyway because the people who want to do evil things such as take confederate statues down or combat racists, they're mean too because they're mean to him. >> you don't think his world view has pushed us in that direction when you look at the birther thing and -- he was kind of prone to it anyway? >> sure. in a very ordinary way. i mean this is -- people of a certain age will recognize archie bunker, that racist uncle. he has certain unreconstructed
primitive views and he doesn't even bother to hide them. >> riltit's different when this the president of the united states. >> yes. and for the president to not understand that is an abalmination. >> so let's talk about these monuments because he tweeted this morning "sad to see the history of our great culture being torn apart with the removal of our great statues. robert e. lee, stonewall jar jackson. who's next? so foolish and the beauty is being taken out of towns and parks will be greatly missed and never able be to comparably replaced. why do you think he chose these words? our history and saying you're changing the culture. remember his response? >> uh-huh. i think what this is all about is he doesn't like the idea that
some people keep dwelling on the past. once again that bar stool unsophisticated person. let the past go. he doesn't understand how the past extends into the present. he doesn't understand what an unpleasant symbol might mean because he is not a victim to one of them being of the ethnicity that he is. and so for him he sees that statues are pretty and i suppose in the aesthetic sense you could say that they are. he doesn't understand that they stand for people who fought to keep black people in chains. that just means let's not go back the past. but for most of us it means a great deal more and for him, he simply doesn't understand significance. here's what it comes down to. where's it going to go? where's it going to stop? this is such an ordinary thing? george washington and thomas
jefferson did some pretty great things other than being slave holders in a time when no one was questioning it. robert e. lee, what did he get us? i hear he was nice. what he did was he fought to keep you and mes ancestors in slavery and really that's it. i can'tbate for the historians to come up with all of this trivia. and it would never occur to donald trump that's the difference between george washington and robert e. lee. >> robert e. lee's a loser. so i'm surprised he likes him. a noble loser. he keeps talking about the idea of removing confederate statues will lead to the removal of statues of some of america's most cherished founding fathers and that's a slippery slope that he seems to believe because what he doesn't understand and what many americans don't understand if you look at the history of
naziism in germany, in germany every elementary school kid has to visit a place where the holocaust took place, right? it's a culture of remembrance, rather than memorials of people who were the opresser. >> and let's say we're going to have a statue of jefferson davis and robert e. lee and we're supposed to walk by these statues. they were created to be beautiful and uplifting. the idea is small people in particular are supposed to think that's what we should have done. those things were built not to make people feel bad, they were built to make people feel good. of course trump doesn't understand there's a such thing as a moral trajectory that a nation makes and that this one, despite people who pretend it doesn't happen, has made quite a moral trajectory in many ways. he is the most morally backwards
president in that sense since andrew johnson in terms of who's in the white house and who understands where the country needs to go or at least knows to pretend. linden johnson was not mr. racial sensitivity, but when the chips came down, he at least pretended and evolved. trump's knuckles are dragging on the peanut shells of the floor. >> watch this. >> what about the altleft that came charging at the, as you say, the alt-right? do they have any semblance of guilt? let me ask you this, what about the fact they came charging with clubs in their hands, swinging clubs, do they have any problem? i think they do. >> the alt-right and the -- what is the alt-left? >> for one thing i learned alt-left is a term older than
about 15 minutes ago but i doubt if he knew. he's just thinking there's an alt-right and alt means annoying. so alt-left is annoying left. he's the slopiest public speaker in the history of homo sapiens. the idea that these alt-lefties trying to resist, even with their bodies, what these alt-right thugs were doing. the idea that he doesn't see the difference is really rather tragic. he simply doesn't think that the black thing or the jewish thing is important at all. and that's fine. neither does archie bunker, neither does the crazy uncle. but this is the president -- this is the sad thing, don. i always said nobody was listening to me but i always said about a year ago the one thing trump can't do is really screw up with black people. if he uses the "n" word or says
something nakedly racist during the campaign that would take care of him in a way that even the grabbing the who who about the women didn't. but at this point he's done it but we can't get rid of him. nobody's going to impeach this man because they don't have hearts either. it's a really nasty week. >> do you think the people who can keep him in check, do you think they're complicit in his believes as well? complicit in racism? >> yeah, they are because they don't prioritize it. and as far as i'm often concerned, i don't require all white people to prioritize black issues as much as we're often told but when someone's stepping over this particular line in such a vulgar, egregious way, i would think we needed to become one country and acknowledge there is something america has
been about and learned. and any republican who thinks a few mealy-mouthed tweets is doing their job on that is showing that republican parody has become a nonparty. but i think we've known that for a while. >> how do you think they compare to terms used during the civil rights era? >> which terms? >> like the aullt-right, alt-le, on both sides? >> things were not as black and white, so to speak, as we seem to think. we tend to forget middle class white people often thought of martin luther king as a rabl rouser. but in general, you said what you meant. we're at the point where we have to do these careful etmaulgs of the terms we use because things have gotten both more complicated and meaner. we're hiding behind the fact that a lot of us haven't changed
as much as we'd like. it's a scary time. . >> if one of your students at columbia came in and said some of things he said about the lack of knowledge of historical, the history of this country and historical references and so on and so forth, what would you say to them? >> they have books to read. frankly the world book inpsycholopedia or wikipedia. and if you wanted to become an alt-rightest, i wouldn't enjoy you doing it, but i want you to be able to defend it with careful argumentation such that you would make the liberal quake in their boots for a minute. if you can't do that, then unfortunately you are a ring around the bath tub. i would tell them that straight to their face. >> john mcwhorter, thank you. >> don lemon, thank you. >> and when we come back, this
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>> with that moment being led, the guy, he actually pointed a gun at us while we were standing. and the elderly white guy was actually scared and when he actually shot the gun, that's when i used the spray paint and a lighter to actually make the flames. >> so he shot the gun or he just brandished the gun? >> he shot the gun. first he pointed it at my head. >> go ahead. >> first he pointed at my head. then he shot it at the ground. and so there's a guy, there's an elderly gentleman there and he was afraid, right? what was happening? >> yes, sir. he was just standing behind us and he was just scared and so i
just took the initiative to do the best that i could. >> what were they saying when you were doing this? >> just to get him out the way. they were like we're going to get y'all. they were pretty much talking to the white guy at first and that's when i intervened. >> here it is. >> i think there's blame on both sides and i have no doubt about it and you don't have any doubt about it either. and if you reported it accurately, you would say. i'm not utputting anybody on a moral plain. i'm saying you had a group on one side and a group on the other and they came at each other with clubs and it was a horrible thing to watch but there is another side. there is a group on this side, you can call them the left that came violently attacking the other group. so you can say what you want but that's the way it is.
>> cory, i know you have very strong feelings about this, about the president's response. >> yes. yes, sir. i believe that is just truly outrages the way he said that. i actually came down there to be a peaceful protester and the only reason i got the spray paint is because the white supremacists actually threw it at me and that's how i became, had the flames as well. but that's outrages and the guy is taking shots again at me and they stood there and did nothing. they just was holding their own. >> the president has said -- talking about that rally and the night before -- talking bot there were fine people there. were there any fine people in the group that you could see? >> what was that, sir. >> was there any fine people? he said there were fine people among the white supremacist protesters. did you see any fine people?
>> no, sir. all i seen was hate and that's all they shown was hate. there was no equality there. it was purely hate. >> you say what happened in charlottesville wasn't about the removal of the confederate statues, it was about hatred and terror? >> yes, sir. >> explain that. >> they didn't even understand why the statue was there. they wasn't even yelling about the statue or anything like that. all they wanted to do was attack, attack, attack. and they were just outrages the way that they was allowed to do that. it was like an untold story. i can't even explain. it was just terrifying. >> yeah. you were at the rally with friends and one of your friends is deandre harris who ended up
being badly beaten in a parking garage and just like your photo, this is video of what happened to deandre. it captured the core of what went down in charlottesville. tell me about that. did you see the footage? >> yes, sir, i seen the footage. it was just outrages about that footage. i'm not going to get too much into that but it was just outrages. >> how is deandre doing? >> he doing pretty good. >> and how are you doing after all of this? >> just trying to heal. i'm healing but with everything going on, i've been receiving a whole lot of death threats and a whole bunch of hate as well. >> what would you like to hear from the president if anything? >> if anything i would like to hear an apology for allowing them to come down here and allowing -- and for not allowing the cops to intervene on what
was going on down there. >> did you attend the memorial last night? >> yes, sir. >> for heather heyey? >> i was only there for briefly, yes, sir. i had other things to do as well. >> thank you so much, cory. i'm so happy you got to come on and give our regards to deandre and anybody else who was injured you might know. when we come back here's a message for the president. three important national magazines showing what they think. we have a question about your brokerage fees. fees? what did you have in mind? i don't know. $4.95 per trade? uhhh and i was wondering if your brokerage offers some sort of guarantee? guarantee? where we can get our fees and commissions back if we're not happy. so can you offer me what schwab is offering? what's with all the questions? ask your broker if they're offering $4.95 online
and editor and chief of the daily wire and former editor of breitbart. i'm so glad to have all of you on tonight. today the president tweeted about removing the confederate statues from the u.s. saying it is sad to see the history and culture of our great country ripped apart. are you with the president on this? >> look, don, the statues represent a history in america that you can't white wash? he said he wanted to transform america. by changing its history you can't do that. but the real issue is not the statues, the real issue with people that want the statues because they see their jobs going away. they see that urban america has basically taken them for granted and they're taking away their jobs, they're taking away their culture, their sons and daughters staying. i just got back -- >> wait, wait, hold on.
what you're describing now is racism. >> this is not race -- >> is that -- >> it's economics. it's got nothing -- >> you said urban people are taking away their jobs. >> urban people are taking -- the elites in washington do not represent rural america. >> what does that have to do with the statue? >> because the statues are a symbol of something they're clinging to because they're tired of the political correctness and the washington elites. i just took amtrak here from new york, don. i passed in four blocks, don, i passed 27 shuttered factories. these are the real statues of america that have gone away. >> i have no idea. >> change the debate to some kind of confederacy. people want their jobs back.
>> so why isn't the president talking about that instead of statues? >> the president understands that rural americans have been sold out but -- >> oh, my gosh. >> part of rural america is in the north, the west, has nothing to do with the confederate statues. >> statues are a symbol for people that want economic justice back and they want their jobs back. >> that's a stretch. was that a talking point? i'm trying to follow and i don't get it. >> i talked to real americans. >> that statue -- >> it's got nothing to do with robert e. lee. >> they don't know the history of the statue and why it's there. maybe you, as a radio host, should teach them that, rather than listening to a white wash history of what those statues
represent. >> but those statues represent right now to people -- >> that doesn't make it right. >> i'm not saying it does. >> well, then educate and tell them. >> why are so many people in new york and new jersey concerned about these statues? they have nothing to do with the confederacy? it's not just new york and new jersey. ben, go ahead, please. >> first of all, i'm confused at this moment. i really don't understand what this has to do with economics, per se because it does cross economics line. there have been decent arguments expressed for people like condoleezza rice who have said it's an opportunity to teach people when you walk by about the darkness of some of our history. and i've heard the argument that's partially correct that if you remove some statues and there was a commentator on cnn that said we should pull down
statues of washington and jefferson. people on the left are actually suggesting that. but i think there are great arguments for taking the statues down. i think a lot of these towns are looking into taking down these statues and a lot of people on all sides of the political aisle basically grabbing hold of this issue. so i think you have folks on the left suggesting everyone who pruports retaining the statues is a racist and everyone who says they should come down is a nut job and i think you have president trump who's taking advantage of the situation to misdirect away from the press conferences. >> listen to condoleezza reeice point. there is some truth to that but the problem is they revere and are taught a false history of the statues mean. the best way to do that is go to a museum, you can have anstructer say this is robert e.
lee. here's his history. this is what has been said and written about him, rather than having a whole group of racist people revere a figure and a history of a figure that's not necessarily true. >> a perfect point here is this is a local issue. i grew up in the south. i view historical issues much differently than those in the north. growing up in atlanta, i'm very familiar with the racial issue and the slaves and that part of our history. but it is a part of our history and there needs to be a way we can preserve our history without hurting people or without people feeling uncomfortable. i saw you raise the confederate flag at the beginning of the show. now we understand how that is harmful to people and hurtful to people and we need to take that into consideration. but at the same time this is not something for the president to do a full swoop across the
board. >> let me give you -- this is a stark example and pardon me for my clumsiness here. imagine if someone wanted the osama bin laden learning schooling for whatever. >> but that's not a part of american history. >> but that represents robert e. lee. that was our holocaust, right? this is what happened to us. we would rather not go to schools -- we're not saying people shouldn't learn about robert e. lee. we're not saying statues should not exist in some form some wear but it should not be part of a public building, especially something that is paid for with federal tax dollars. if you want to have it in the privacy of your home, have as many statues as you want -- >> is the implication here that everyone who opposes taking down
the statues is a racist? >> i'm not saying that at all. i'm saying we should have a conversation just like we do now. i'm trying to get you and others to understand how people of color feel about those statues. >> if i were a black taxpayer i wouldn't want to pay for the upkeep on these statues either. i get it. >> the only person on the so-called left who hasn't spoken about this. with respect to alice and john and everyone, this is not a local issue. this is a issue about america pfsz history, national history that effected millions of americans, 600,000 people died in the civil war. it was the bloodiest war in american history. 50,000 people died add geties burg, we can't celebrate the history of aman named robert e. lee or jefferson davis who took up arms against the united states of america. i don't know where anyone else
draw as line. but that's where i draw a line. george washington and thomas jefferson, though they were slave owners, never took up arms against the united states of america and for a president -- it is treason. and for a president of the united states in 2017 to endorse treasonest traitors, racist and to celebrate that is unacceptable and anyone who stands up in favor of that is, in >> all right, i got to get to the break. but, also, we're going to talk about this missouri lawmaker hoping donald trump is assassinated. that story when we come right back.
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back with our panel, and, yes, we talked about this during the break, all of us here, but moving on now to talk about a democratic missouri state senator from the university city posted this is in st. louis, posted and quickly deleted this facebook thing saying she hoped that president trump would be assassinated. she came to prominence in the ferguson and michael brown situation. quickly took it down. the u.s. secret service and st. louis office investigating the chairman and democratic party called on her to resign. >> there's no excuse for that. no reason for that. clearly, an emotional issue, clearly, when this started over the weekend, we could see things bubbling over.
unfortunately, i think the president from the get-go didn't handle this correctly with regard to not coming out completely unequivocally denouncing hay dread, bigotry, and racism, and that was -- he dropped the ball, but what that has done, that's created a ripple effect of emotions and conversations and discussions and this is where we are today. >> yeah. look, the president has to own his words, responsible for his words, and she said the way i responded this morning was wrong. did i mean the statement in no. i'm frustrated? absolutely. the president is causing damage. she's responsible for her words like the president's responsible for his. >> at least -- i don't think what she said was right, but had the courage to say she was wrong. this president never says he was wrong. this is a president who got up there last year in the campaign -- >> making excuses for her? >> i'm not. he spoke about second amendment remedies in case hillary clinton was elected, which was a clear threat of assassination.
>> i understand that, but this is, yea, yes, you're right, but, still -- >> right, it's wrong. you can't say anything. it's wrong, but the point is, donald trump is the president of the united states. he's supposed to be, not only the political leader, but moral leader of the country. he cannot do that condemn other people when he's creating culture of violence himself. >> what do you say, ben? >> when it comes to the culture of violation, we have to be careful. we should agree on this. this is obvious stuff. you don't call for people's assassination. there are groups out there that are violent. forget char loathesville, but they are violent elsewhere. it's not a thing that should be happening nor incited or forwarded. we have to be careful distinguishing between actual insightful language like what we talk about here. secret service is now investigating this, and just nasty language. president trump said nasty terrible things to the point where he calls for violence, i condemn him and will again.
i think that in this case, what we're talking about is something much more explicit than what trump said so far obviously. >> i have to run, but you talked a lot less. >> i sure did. >> thank you, all. >> got the job back. >> love having you on, i love having a longer further discussion with you about free speech, it's an important topic and issue that i'd like to unpack with you longer. >> looking forward to. >> thank you, that's all for us. thank you everyone for watching, we'll see you right back here tomorrow. these days families want to be connected 24/7.
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zblrvelg good evening, we are getting late information on the barcelona terrorist attack and police operations going on with four fatalities 75 miles south of barcelona. this is different than what happened earlier today. we'll bring that throughout the next two hours as we learn new information, but we begin with president trump who, tonight, has members of his party questioning moral authority, his competence and stability. those are not our words. as you see, they are the words of gop lawmakers. last night o