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out tonight as trump's two chief strategists, this is cnn tonight. sdw didn't take them long to find now jobs. bannon back to the old job as executive chairman at breitbart news and promising -- more like threatening opposition, whoever that may be in his mind. bannon going so far as to say now i'm free. i've got my hand back on my weapon. i want to get to my panel, cnn political commentator, political
commentator, margaret hoover, contributor, michael deantonio. and matthew whitker. hello to everyone on the panel. david, you first. bannon is fired. fired at the end of a week where the president's terrible response to the events in charlottesville backfired. are we looking at an effort to change the narrative here? >> i think it's an effort to change the narrative. it was as good a time as go to come up with another big story to move on from another big story. but i do think this is more symptomatic of what a bigger failure in this trump white house, which is that they have found outsix/seven months in that presidenting is hard. th are the guys who came to the white house saying they were smarter. they were going to overturn the apple cart, get rid of the establishment and do things for the american people.
and you were talk to our colleague. and he believes he can be more effective being an ally from the outside, which i'm sure is his approach, but what i read into that is it was too hard to actually govern and get things done. they haven't been able to do the it basic blocking and tackling of what it takes to run the country. they didn't know what they were doing. they wound up essentially havish to get rid of an entire staff and now you have someone like bannon who is an interesting guy but he goes backing to breitbart basically saying it's easier to be a bomb thrower. >> margaret, i want to say high water -- low water mark for the presidency this week and i'm going to paraphrase because newt gingrich saying his ability to govern is in jeopardy after his
reaction. what's your reaction? >> i couldn't agree more with newt gingrich. this has been a weeking for many, many republicans where there's been a real line in the sand that you either -- as a republican, i need to see every single republican take a stand. they're either going to be on the side of moral equibbkwivqui and not condemning our politics or on the side of justice and the greatest principals of america. the declaration of aindependence. that we have equal opportunity, that all individuals are created equal and condemning the really terrible things trump said. that's waut i need to see from every single republican this week. i don't buy the rabbal rousing that he's going to be worse inside the white house than
outside. he's going to retreat to an echo chamber and those who read it, are already believers. he has lost his ability outside the white house to be influential, to actually making a difference in policy. and frankly, in his tenure wasn't that effective in national policy anyway. he had a few high marks. the travel ban was a high mark for him, a low point for the country. the carnage, those terrible words also bannon but beyond that, where is the wall? where is the isolationist foreign policy? bannon has been a failure. it's good riddance. but it doesn't at all forbode good news for a trump administration. >> i got to get the other panelists in. but real quickly. doing it on a friday, is this an attempt to change the terrible narrative of the week? >> in the old world we used to
do things oen friday so nobody noticed. but these days breaking news every five minutes, regardless whether it's friday or not. >> i think it draws more intrigue as to why. so in an interview with the weekly standard, bannon is quoted as saying the trump presidency we fought for and won is over. we still have a huge movement and we will make something of this trump presidency but that presidency is over. it will be something else. there will be all kinds of fights, and there will be good days and bad days but that presidency is over. what is it? >> i think it's a message to a lot of folks that supported donald trump and his new republican agenda. things like isolationism, and
more of a global poppialest message. michigan and wisconsin and pennsylvania quite frankly and connected to those voters, i think bannon is saying we're going back to sort of the establishment republican white house that many of us know and some of us love that is kind of -- stays on message. >> it's a rallying cry. it's over and everyone's like no, we don't want it to be over and so they're going to try to pull it back into something else that they want. do you agree with that? because a comment like that won't go over well. >> what i feel, don, is that we're seeing ever expanding circumstantic circle of chaos and the first is in donald trump's head. and it goes out into the oval office and into the country.
so in this case we may have one less character to follow in this narrative. one less subplot. but he's going out into the world to distribute the chaos there, to encourage it in the media and in the streets. the problem here i think is it's not really a base that is representative of an electoral majority. so the republican party is ill served by this and ultimately the country is ill served. the people who energized trump's campaign may have been this breitbart crowd but the voters who put him in includ all of the republican main stays. so the president, who seeks to govern needs them as well. >> go ahead. >> i just wanted to jump in with a quick point. to go back to matt for a second. he used the term neoisolationism, which is a new one on me. but we invented this new
nomenclature. the alt-right, on and on it goes. the one thing -- the one thing we're not seeing from any of these camps is conservatism. there is no calvin coolage, berry goldwater, conservatism going on in the breitbart, alt-right, or whatever. this is divorced from whatever came before. >> i want to put this picture up. i'll describe it to you. this is a picture of the president. by the way he was on the phone with putin. this was back in january. everyone of these people around him is gone except for the vice president. spicer's gone. bannon's gone. this picture tells a thousand words, doesn't it?
>> it's a white house finding its way slowly but surely. >> margaret, these are the biggest jobs they have. these are the people who shaped the presidency and shaped the legislation and the message for this administration. >> yeah, but what we've learned is the only person changing anything is donald trump. first of all the majority of them weren't there anymore. and my co guests were just talking about where is the modern american conservative that's mike pence. health care didn't get through, tax reform is looking terrible. so all we've gotten is chaos in a west wing, no policy proposals. or no policy victories passed with a unified party control in the senate and the house of
representatives. so, yeah. we've looked at probably the least successful eight months of a presidency, certainly in my lifetime, maybe in the last half of this -- second half of the 20th century. it's damming. it's very damming and incredibly disappointing. not just for republicans, but for all americans. >> so much winning that i'm tired of winning. don't go anywhere. we'll be right back. what's going on here? um...i'm babysitting. that'll be $50 bucks.
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president trump and his new chief of staff john kelly firing steve bannon from his key white house. this is -- i want you to take a look at this. this is from the president's twitter page. these are the folks who are around the president. this is the header on his twitter page. these are his key advisors. what doyou make of this? >> well, a couple things. first in that picture the folks who are gone, all the folk whose have been driven out of the white house in the last couple of weeks are not in that picture. it's also not a superdiverse picture. mostly white men -- >> super diverse? >> no, but look. don, you don't -- clearly it's not divrerse. but crow don't have to have diversity to get things done. you should have diversity. let me be clear about that. but if you're a president
actually acting on behalf of the broadest possible constituency, like donald trump said, even though it wasn't always taken as sincere that he wanted to represent everybody, then you should be enacting an agenda for everybody. but what's become clear in the last six/seven months, so far he's enacted an agenda catered to the core 35% of support that he is hanging on to and that's reflected in the fact that their influence is shrinking, people don't feel like they've had success. >> margaret, does this help with this week? >> no, it doesn't help but it is worth mentioning. i mean, look at this white house, this west wing. this is not a diverse group of individuals ethnically or in terms of their backgrounds. but this is also an administration that's advertised
that they would be. they're not trying to grow the tents. this is not a version of the republican party like the part of the party that i claimed the party of lincoln and wishes it was the party of lincoln. rex tillerson made some very interesting and very welcome comments about the need for the state department to reach out to represent the american populous in its work abroad to have new policies that will explicitly court african americans for foreign service positions in the state departments and the state department abroad represents the diversity in the united states and that against a back drop of this conversation is starkly in contrast to the photo you just showed. >> he talked about civil rights today, which was encouraging. but michael, earlier this week the president gave bannon what people call a cis of death like
he has done so many times before. >> michael flynn, general flynn is a wonderful man. i think he's been treated very, very unfairly by the media. >> also with us is a famous local resident. the pride of cunegotiatau. reince priebus, my chooef of staff? where is he? what good man. there he is. >> you know sean spicer. he is a wonderful human being. he's a nice man. >> is he your press secretary today and tomorrow? >> well, he's doing a good job. >> and a o those good and wonderful people gone. he was assembling the best and smartest people to be in the white house. what's going on here? >> well, the truth is, don, that he doesn't actually know that many people. this is why the line up in the photo you just saw was so homogenous. why he's struggled to fill his
administration. he's not broad in his experience. when he praises you, it will be a very generic kind of praise. he's a very nice man, he's a wonderful person. you're in trouble when he says that he likes you like that because you're going to be out of a job very soon. because you and i are secure and that means at least we'll hold on to our jobs. >> sources are telling jim acosta that sebastian gyorka is on thin ice. do you think he survives the weekend? >> he probably will and will look for a strategic time they need to change the narrative and make it about the professor. one thing on bannon. what i saw breitbart, when it was most effective, was in eliminating the 17 competitors
and spreading news articles and the mention that they have the third most likes on facebook, that is a very broad ability to get news out and negative headlines. >> yeah. so listen, with bannon out, gyorka reportedly on thin ice. this is newt gingrich on fox news earlier. here it is. >> i think he's in a position right now where he is much more isolated than he realizes. on the hill he has farore people willing to sit to one sited and not help him right now. and i think that he needs to recognize that he's taking a good first step with bringing in the general kelly. but he needs to think about what has not worked. and you don't get down in the 35% range of approval and have people in your own party shooting at you and conclude
that everything's going fine. >> so you have people that are saying, margaret, that inside the white house, it was dev starting, newt gingrich's comments today. that one and the other one about his presidency or his ability to lead is in real jeopardy. what does he have to do to win over some allies to his administration? >> listen, newt is an ally. let's be clear newt gingrich is an ally. he talks to the president time to time. he said when he really wants the president to hear him, he goes on fox news. so newt gingrich is very clearly communicating that great step with kelly but you need to do more and by the way, he would be happy to be of service in that effort. let's take everything newt says with a grain of salt.
wall street journal said for all of the people who have real experience, who are patriots, who karb about the country and serving the president in the west wing, despite the moral compromises and moral failings that trump has demonstrated this week, those responsible individuals ought to continue to serve their country and mitigate the damage trump is doing to the country and potentially internationally. so people like newt gingrich who do have real experience in leadership and legislative achievement and victories would be -- wou help trump, frankly, in this white house. >> i've got to run. coming up steve bannon threatening tonight that he is going to crush the opposition now that he is back in charge of breitbart news. s nothing more it to me than my vacation. so when i need to book a hotel room, i want someone that makes it easy. booking.com gets it.
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editor at large tweeted this simply #war. and then "now i'm free. i got my hand back on my weapons." someone said it's bannon the barbarian. i'm going to crush the opposition, there's no doubt. i built a machine at breitbart and now i'm going to go back knowing what i know and we're going to rev that machine up and rev it up is what i'll do. what does that mean fis enemies inside the white house first? >> take cover. they're subtle, if anything. for those remaining in the white house, the so-called west-wing democrats, he likes to call idina and garry cone, they're coming for him and i think it's going to be not really aimed at donald trump specifically but at the people around him. and i think that it also is going to extend to members of
congress and the congressional leadership and house speaker paul ryan and senate majority leader, mitch mcconnell. they are going to go -- >> do you think they're really worried about bannon and breitbart? one of my last guests said those people are already inside the administration and can't do much damage to people in the white house who have bigger influence that know a website. >> i think the lever interesting to watch is if they start steering away from trump and trump's numbers fall. trump can only fight so many fronts of a war. he has been fighting against what he would call the progressive left, the fake news media, the establishments on the hill ubstructing him, the democrats in congress. can he really thatd conservative right to that list too and survive? >> all right. good question. you interviewed bannon at the
congressional -- and you said we are the platform for the alt-right -- what is he going to do for them now. >> he was proud he provided a platform for the alt-right. i think there are many hard core people would consid r breitbart alt-light, not quite white supremacist enough for them. but he's going to continue to stir up a lot of these culture war kinds of issues. a war against the press, a war against what he likes to call globalests, not just in the white house but more generally. he's going to create a lot of ugly scenes in the media, on social media and i think that the main effect of him leaving the white house perhaps won't be on the white house itself and how he might effect trump or the
people within the white house but how he's going to effect conservatism in general and the media coverage. so i think he's going to put the republican party to a test. they've been reluctant to distance themselves from trump, to directly condemn trump over many things but most recently his reaction to charlottesville and i think he's really going to put them to the test. do they want the alt-right to be the mouth of the republican party or do they want movement conservatism as we've known it for the last 30 or so years to be the republican party? >> where might this go with the culture wars? the statues and all that? >> i think we're going to have a very interesting situation coming up as some of these protests are going to continue going on, perhaps this week in boston. i think the thing to watch for
is how donald trump responds to that. if he calibrates it all and gives what people would judge an acceptable response, will breitbart and bannon hit him for giving into the west wing democrats and the establishment media? if trump starts changing his rhetoric and the speed in which he responds to some of these incidents, i expect breitbart and bannon to come down hard on him. >> yes. and i would tie in another segment you had with pastor bernar one thing to keep in mind is that bannon definitely see as coalition with the christian right as a very important key to his movement. he told me that in that interview at the republican convention. he said without conservative evangelicals and catholics, we won't have a big enough movement to push back what he calls the
progressive left. i think he's going to continue to try to do that to cater to the sort of reaction that a lot of the white members of trump's evangelical counsel have had. they've rallied around him in the wake of the charlottesville comments. they've said they're proud of him and they sort of project this well, it's just the media or political correctness that's demanding more of him and we're still debehind him and we're still supporting him. and i would expect that alliance or coalition to harden, particularly if trump is pressured to say something decent. >> you mean away from him? evangelicals will move away from him? >> no, i think they will harden in support of him if he stays with the same sorts of comments he made after charlottesville. if he caves on the -- to the
political correctness in the view of the breitbart world, breitbart, like curt said, i think would go after him. the evangelicals would be more forgiving of that sort of change. >> wouldn't you think it would be opposite for the evangelicals? >> you would hope so but that hasn't been the case. >> bernard was the only evangelical who has spoken out against the president. he said i don't want to beat the president up, but he didn't see a moral compass there. it's interesting not really a word from evangelicals. >> maybe they should have abandoned him when he made those access hollywood comments during the campaign. >> it is mind boggling how that has not happened when you think of the christian right and you think of what the bible teaches, it's the exact opstd posite of
the president said. >> hypocrite. >> they see him as a strong leader who's going to carry out their political agenda and they will say god pick imperfect men to fulfill his purposes and so they make these kinds of excuses for him. >> -- obama was in office. >> right. well, one of the main evangelical supporters of trump tweeted that -- now i can't remember the words. but he was again supportive of trump and what he had said post charlottesville. >> there's something i there about drinking the kool-aide but i'll leave it at that. thank you all. straight ahead the debate of the removal or not of the confederate statues.
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bannon to be removed from the white house. is this enough? >> no, it's not enough. first, president trump should not have hired him to be the chief strategist. also there's sebastian gorkau, steven miller, there are many in the white house that reflect this alt-right white supremacy neo-nazi agenda. what's important is that the policy agenda of these individuals, which is we've seen being so prominent in this trump administration, that's the important part we have to make sure is dismantled and destroyed. the removal of steve bannon. yes, first good step. when you look at a tax on inclusion and diversity for african american and young stud och ants of color. when you look at the immigrant ban, the muslim ban, the
deportation i.c.e. raids, when you look at the transgender issue rolling back, not allowing transgender individuals to serve in the military, when you look at these very horrible backwards policies, they reflect the trump agenda and that's what has to be stopped so we can move forward and create good paying jobs and address neo-naziism in our country. >> you mentioned steve miller. you want them to be remove flumd white house as well. >> absolutely. well, the president's agenda is an agenda, first of all that he has embraced. but he's got advisors who advise him on certain policies. these individuals are advising him on counterterrorism, domestic policy and when you look at this trump agenda, it reflects their views and this very erican agenda and that is why we have to address the individuals, first all of. but this is about the trump
administration and who he is and what he believes. he never would have hired these people and put them in such strategic spots? >> let me ask you this. some people say this is going to be cover your rear moment. but according to cnn's reporting, this was in the works two weeks ago. this was before charlotte. so he's not firing him or getting rid of him because of his racist attitudes or because he gave him some -- a bad spin on charlottesville. this has nothing to do with charlottesville. >> heicide have never hired steve bannon. steve bannon comes from the right-wing neo-nazi racist breitbart news. okay. he should have never hired individuals who reflect this agenda. and so whether he fired him or whether steve bannon resigned today, what is important is that we recognize this agenda that is
being promulgated and put together at the white house with donald trump as the head of this very unamerican agenda and i think that's what we have to focus on so we can move forward. >> how should the president respond? should we take another crack at trying to explain what he meant about charlottesville in. >> people know what he meant. remember maya angelou's quote? >> tell you who they are -- yeah. >> and so please. we know who donald trump is. i mean remember, he campaigned based on the birther movement. he's the head of the birther movement. he started the effort to try to delegitimize our first african american president. and ran on a platform we see being executed by his staff at the white house and some federal agencies. we know who he is and what he needs to do is you know help us move forward to address systemic
racism, condemn the alt-right agenda, condemn the white supremacists and their agenda. >> do you have any hope that if bannon is gone and steve miller is gone, that you may be able to work with the president or have you given up hope? >> this president has believes that i cannot accept when you look at what he has done and said. the dengration of women, immigrants. how he has just demonized immigrants, his muslim ban. >> do you think by removing these people you can work with him or do you think it's a fate complete? >> he hasn't shown me he's going to support equal opportunity for all americans. he has to be the one to show me he is going to stop this voter suppression and tell attorney general jeff sessions stop
rolling the clock back on criminal justice. and he has to show he believes this is an america for all americans -- >> not to step on you, i just have a short time with you. but i don't get to have you on often so i want as many question and answer as we can. you said serving in congress i walked past a dozen statues of men who wanted to keep my ancestors in chains. so you grew up in a segregated south. explain what you see and feel when you walk by these monuments. >> i feel pain, i feel anger, i feel suffering. i feel disappointment that our country has not -- is lifteding up these individuals who were really individuals who wanted to keep african americans in slavery and chains and who were bigoted, who were racist and
they were not patriots. theyere -- they committed acts of treason if you ask me and we still feel the pain of bigotry and racism in our country. what do african american and other children think when they see these statues? and so i'm pleased to work with senator booker. we will be in september introducing a house bill, calling for the removal of these statues in the u.s. capitol and senator booker is working on the senate bill and we're going to ask everyone to come together to finally, once and for all say that these individuals should not be in public spaces where children and where african americans and where people who feel this pain each and every day have to really feel it every time they walk through capital and see it and it's despicable and they need to go. >> what would you like the see your republican colleagues doing right now? >> they need join us, first in
saying that the agenda of the alt-right movement, white supremacist, neo-nazis is not an agenda and work with us on an agenda that addresses systemic and institutional racism, work with us to get rid of this bogus voter whatever the president has in terms of his voter suppression efforts. they need work with us to create good paying jobs for everyone, work force training. help us with our education, public education. stop mounting efforts to prives it our public schools. i'm on the appropriations committee, don. i see this each and every day in terms of the budget cuts and how they're severely impacting african americans and low income. they need to work with us to create an america that everyone can uphold as their america. but when you look at a legislation-based support,
they're giving tacid endorsement to this agenda that's unacceptable. >> we got it all in, in the time allotted. i thank you for your patience and thank you for coming on. >> glad to be with you, don. >> and coming up heather heyer's mother speaks out on donald trump and the reaction to her daughter's. no splashing! wait so you got rid of verizon, just like that?
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the first call looked like it came during the funeral. i did not see that message. there were three more messages from press second tear througho secretary throughout the day. i was home recovering from the exhaustion of the funeral and i thought well, i will get to them later and i had more meetings. i have not watch ed the news until last night and i am not talking to the president now. i am sorry after what he said about my child. it is not that i saw somebody else's tweet about him. i saw an actual clip and equating to protesters and like with the kkk and white supremacis supremacis supremacists. >> is there something that you
would like to say to the president? >> think before you speak. >> what a great advise that donald trump needs to stop speaking so often. he should have made a phone call to her after the tragedy. it was aparticipaparent to reac. he missed the window. he's giving the equal billing and peaceful protesters and n neo nazi. it is sad, when president obama was president, he went to all the school killings and consul the family. donald trump seems to be dark hearted and he's interested of rushing to the mic and making his political points than worrying about the pain. he still has not talked to the mayor of the city yet. >> the mayor is asking h i im t
call him. >> his initial statement was that he wanted to wait for all the facts. >> the protest started over a confederate monument. that's what organizers have said. that was the original plan when they get the permit to march. >> do you think this is a strategic move by the president to play to his base and cover up and distract on what's happening this week. >> honestly, i think that this move by the white nationalist groups, the nazi, it is frankly outside from the purview of the president. these groups that are so outside the mainstream of american politics. they are extremist groups. i don't think the president, specifically to chin up support. i think these groups frankly get
so little support from this country. certainly, i was there this weekend and i thinkhe geral feeling is these groups do not represent the community there or the american people at large. >> what do you think should happen with these confederate statues. >> i think it is a complex debate. groups like the one that showed up this weekend in charlottesville. i don't think they represent the general opinions of the american people. the issue over the monuments is a larger one than, of course, the white nationals wanting to drag in a racial debate. that's a nasty and ugly thing. that's a horrible thing for this country. there was a larger debate over monuments and over the widespread attack, against the country. that's a larger debate that i think a lot more reasonable americans have a right to have. i don't think these extremist
groups have the right to take these debates away fr. abraham lincoln straightly said, be warned of the danger of mob rules and attacking monoquadrupmon monoquadruplmonumentmonuments. >> can you put this debate into some perspective of the final moments that we have here. >> well, i agree of what happened in durham ripping down these statues where these have to go. cory booker is onto something and the time to come to get rid of confederate statues out of the u.s. capitol. i'm siting here in austin, texas, the capitol is just right
off. it has a plaque, one of the most important laws, the war between the states was not a rebellion nor was it under lining the cause of sustained slavery a plaque right now where slavery is not apart of the civil war. it is a giant memorial in the texas capitol. those things have to go. that same up in 1959. it is the jim crow plaque that put up because the south did not like the brown decision. >> totally writing history. it is called the creed of the children of the confederacy and school kids come and look at that garbage >> thank you, gentlemen. we'll be right back. well, what are you doing tomorrow -10am? staff meeting. 3:45? tai chi. 6:30? sam's baseball practice. you are busy. wouldn't it be great if you had investments that worked as hard as you do? yeah. introducing essential portfolios
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