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of staff john kelly. interestingly enough, though, those who were not invited, including, as you mentioned, the republican senators from arizona, both john mccain and jeff flake, have been very critical of the president, both with some very harsh words for donald trump after that press conference at trump tower last tuesday where the president talked about the violence in charlottesville. the president has not hesitated in responding specifically to jeff flake, as you said, calling him weak, calling him a non-factor in the senate, and praising a potential gop primary opponent, dr. kelly ward. we don't know if dr. ward is expected to be at the rally tonight or whether or not the president might give her a full endorsement. also not invited, the man known as the toughest sheriff in america, joe arpaio. he was found guilty earlier this year of going against a judge's order to halt a program that was found to be illegal for racially profiling hispanics. the president drew speculation
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that he might pardon joe arpaio at this rally tonight, because he said last week that it was something he was taking very seriously. cnn reached out to the 85-year-old sheriff. he said he was not invited to this rally but if he were, he would be happy to join. before heading to phoenix, the president, as you said, is stopping here at a border patrol center in yuma. he is set to take a tour and take part in a briefing. this is really part of an effort for the president to highlight a part of his agenda where he has had some success. we've heard from officials at border patrol who tell us that they've seen a significant decrease, 46% fewer apprehensions at the border in the first six months of the year compared to last year, in large part because of increased funding from this administration, pam. >> all right, boris sanchez, thanks for breaking it down for us. let's talk more about this with cnn political commentator ben ferguson, also host of the ben ferguson show and rick wilson. he is a republican strategist.
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great to see you both. >> good to be here. >> thank you. >> so, ben, the big question tonight, there are a lot of big questions, one of them being, does he, should he go after senators mccain and flake on their home turf tonight? how worried should they be? >> i don't think they're worried at all, because everybody knows in arizona how they feel about donald trump. and they've gone after donald trump in arizona. they've gone after donald trump in washington, d.c. and they've gone after donald trump everywhere in between. so this -- there's no secret in arizona that the two senators are -- they are very much at odds with donald trump. i would expect donald trump to get in a couple jabs here and there. that's the sport of politics. i also think, though, the president's going to be really trying to refocus on the bigger picture, the bigger issue, which got him elected in arizona, and that's the issue of border security, immigration reform, and so i think the more time he spends on that, maybe the less time on the personal jabs, it's probably going to be better off
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for his policies move fargd. >> what do you think, rick? do you think he can stick to that. >> donald trump is not notoriously well disciplined on the campaign trail and i suspect tonight he's going to go off and do his usual level of personal slights and asides and insults to the incumbent senators from arizona, and i think that's regrettable for trump, because you know, he is a guy who doesn't really have a lot of wiggle room in the senate right now. he's going to need jeff flake and john mccain on key votes coming up in the immediate future. and frankly, if he wants to make an enemy of mitch mcconnell, you know, promoting chem trail kelly ward is not going to do well for comity between the white house and the senate. >> rick, i want you to listen to this from the president last night. >> my original instinct was to pull out, and historically, i like following my instincts.
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but all my life, i've heard that decisions are much different when you sit behind the desk in the oval office. >> now, rick, you're clearly not a trump fan. but do you give him any credit for admitting that he was wrong about afghanistan? >> look, you know, welcome, donald trump, to the broad movement of consensus in the national security community in washington, d.c. welcome to the club. we're going send over his embroidered globalist neocon jacket a little later today. and you know, this is a guy who clearly had to bow to jim mattis, john kelly, and henry mcmaster. this is the consensus belief in washington. trump is not a student of afghanistan or anything, really, and so this decision has enraged his base, enraged a lot of people on the alt-right, out to the breitbart and elsewhere, which is unsurprising, but it is -- this was the mature sort of paced and appropriate
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decision. >> let me jump in here real quick. one, it did not enrage his base. i did literally three-hour radio show talking about this yesterday and the majority of americans believe they do need to take the battle to isis and al qaeda and i think many people agree that it's smart when any president, even if it's barack obama, who i did not agree with on my issues, i never want a president to fail on foreign policy and national security issues, specifically. this idea that people are still trying to score, you know, cheap shots at the president, saying he doesn't know anything about anything, at some point, rick, you just got to give somebody credit for actually being the commander in chief and not bowing down. i mean, that's just the cheap attack. >> ben, ben, wait a second. >> he didn't bow down to anybody. >> donald trump is notoriously unable. >> hey, hey rick, let's let ben finish his thought. >> the president of the united states of america sat down with his general and listened to them and dinesh d'souzaed th
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and decided we needed to do something in afghanistan. he also put pakistan on notice and said you're not going to have a free check anymore. this is what many people just like you -- we were talking a week and a half ago and you said the president's got to learn to be presidential. he's acting presidential by your terminology and you're still ripping on him for it. >> ben, i'm noting that donald trump has taken advice and counsel, finally. >> you said bowing down, though. that's a cheap shot. >> the fact that he fired steve bannon and got rid of a lot of the voices around him who were in the crazy zone is probably good for our country. i will note, however, there's been a lot of dissension on the right today and in trump's base today -- >> there just hasn't. >> suddenly he's a neocon and a warmonger. he promised america first. and frankly, ben, you've got to recognize that donald trump's record for years and years has been, for a precipitous
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withdrawal from afghanistan. >> agree. >> this was not a guy who did more than study this in a reflexive way and i'm glad he took advice from mature adults. >> let me ask you, ben. >> it takes maturity for a president to come out there and to actually say, i listened to my generals, i learned something from them, i've decided to go in a different direction. when you sit behind the oval office, things do change. the intelligence change. what people tell you changes your mindset and all i'm saying is, i understand you don't like the president. i understand you're ripping on him but let's not make up a fake story here. the majority of conservatives are behind going after isis and al qaeda. they were reminded about how deadly they are just last week in spain, and to somehow say that a bunch of people are revolting on the president. >> just to catch you up for one second. >> it is true some in his base, breitbart, we know steve bannon was not for this. >> breitbart's not his base. breitbart is not his base. the average person that calls into my show, this is a
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conservative talk show, overwhelmingly, probably 10 to 1 were in favor of the president and this is before he'd announced it when i said if the president says we're going to go into afghanistan, and if he says we're going to maybe have to use more troops, would you support him in that to attack isis and al qaeda. overwhelmingly, americans that voted for the president and some that didn't vote for him said they would support him in this because they understand the real threat to this country from isis. >> listen, afghanistan is not exactly a hot bed of isis and al qaeda is a remnant of what it was. the complexities of afghanistan are a lot more beyond the easy enemies that we can identify from either the past or that are currently active in iraq or the middle east. so, you know, this is -- no one opposes going after isis and al qaeda, and the previous two presidents went after isis and al qaeda with a great deal of vigor, not always perfectly in either case, and -- >> the rules of engagement could
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disagree with that. >> the experience of our generals now in afghanistan is rechl reflected in this policy to some degree. it's not just because i dislike the president, ben. it is because this is a man that had to be brought to heel by mature adults. he is not mentally capable of understanding complexities of these kind of things. >> let me butt in here because i want to get to this sound that we have from speaker paul ryan, and he was responding to the president's charlottesville remarks during this town hall at cnn last night. let's take a listen to what he said. >> in answer to a question, i think he made comments that were much more morally ambiguous, much more confusing, and i do think he could have done better. i think he needed to do better. so i do believe that he messed up in his comments on tuesday when it sounded like a moral ekw equivocation or at the very least moral ambiguity when we need extreme moral clarity.
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>> rick, i want to bring you in on this. he's getting some heat for not being stronger, for making it almost sound like trump's words were an accident. what do you think? >> i think that what we've had here is a lot of agony on the part of republicans in congress who took the president's initial remarks and thought, okay, this is going to be okay. then the second set of remarks, and said, oh my god, you know, this is a disaster. the third set, oh, he's trying to recover. this is a guy who put them in that position where they're in so much pain over the fact that the president didn't intuit the right thing to say right off the bat and stick with it. so paul ryan has had to go and walk this very thin line because he's got, on the one hand, the crazy people who support donald trump in this fanatic, he can do no wrong mindset. and on the other hand, paul ryan knows both in his heart as a good person and as a political figure that a lot of the terrain donald trump ended up dragging the gop into on this thing is
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incredibly politically damaging, and incredibly -- it's a huge moral hazard as well. >> ben? >> look, i said this early on. i think the president has to learn from this, and there's certain issues that you don't get redos on and you have to be very clear and very concise when it deals with certain issues. race is a perfect example of this. i think the president has to learn from this. i think he has to do a better job, if there is a -- a, quotes, next time, and let's be honest, we all hope there isn't another innocent person that's killed in this scenario or this type of way, but the president has to make it very clear, moving forward, you always have to get these types of issues right, and i think the president is learning from that. i mean, i will say this. the president is a guy that likes to have a blunt conversation, and he's not always scripted like a politician. he's not a politician until recently. and so when you mess up like this, you got to fix it quickly, and you got to learn from it and you got to make sure it never happens again and i think that's one of the things that paul ryan was alluding to last night.
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>> we'll leave it on that note since you guys aren't yelling at each other at the moment. ben ferguson, rick wilson, thank you very much. >> thanks for having us. >> thanks. well, a new president, the same war. i'll speak live with the man who presented president trump a plan to pull all troops out of afghanistan and replace them with private contractors. hear what he says. plus, chelsea clinton coming to the defense of barron trump after a conservative website targets his clothes. hear what happened. and the instagram post has been deleted, but the backlash lives on. what happened when the wife of the treasury secretary got into a social media battle with a mother of three over wealth, designer clothes, and "game of thrones." that mother joins me to tell her side of the story. back in just a moment. has never been more valuable. it's our back to school one cent event at office depot office max. 10 pack pens, one cent. composition notebooks,scissors, and plastic folders all one cent each! hurry to office depot office max.
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over wealth, it all started with an instagram post from steve mnuchin's wife, louise linton, an actress who recently married the millionaire. she posted a picture stepping off a government plan. she added the hashtag, great day trip to kentucky, and then followed that up with five more hashtags, all related to the high-end designer clothing she was wearing. jennifer miller from oregon responded to that post by saying, "glad we could pay for your little get away. #deplorable". >> linton lashed back at that comment, touting her wealth, personal sacrifice, and belittling the oregon mother of three for having less money than her. linton writing, "have you given more to the economy than me and my husband? either as individual earner in taxes or in self-sacrifice to your country. i'm pretty sure we paid more taxes toward our day trip than you did. pretty sure the amount we
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sacrifice per year is a lot more than you'd be willing to sacrifice if the choice was yours." linton goes on to say, "you're adorably out of touch." joining us now to discuss is jennifer miller, the woman who was on the receiving end of linton's rant. also with us, cnn white house reporter kate bennett. thank you both for coming. i want to start with you, jennifer. what prompted you to reply to linton's instagram post? let's start there. >> honestly, it was probably just a weak moment for me. it was the first time i had ever posted on someone's instagram if i didn't know them. this is not something i make a habit of. but i was frustrated already by some stories i had just read about the secret service running out of overtime money because of the excesses of the administration's travel schedule, and then saw this woman who i didn't know who she
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was. i knew who the treasure secretary was, so i assumed it was his wife, getting off of a government plane for what i assumed was a government trip and basically advertising for all of these european, you know, high-end brands that your average person couldn't afford, especially anyone in kentucky where they were visiting, one of the poorest states in our country. >> so, you post. you make this post as something that you don't normally do, and you probably go about your day. then she responds in this long rant. what is your reaction to her response and the backlash she's getting? >> well, once i found out about the response, i was a little bit amused and a little bit horrified, but mostly just confused as to why she would take the time or effort or energy to put together such a response and, you know, if i had any respect for her, it probably would have been hurtful, because
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she was very condescending and very -- she made a lot of assumptions about me and my husband and my life and my family. but all of that didn't matter, really, to me so much until it blew up and the whole world started texting me. so i finally had to go and look at the whole thing. >> so, that's how you found out that she had responded, because people started letting you know? >> yes. yeah. >> wow. >> i don't sit on twitter or instagram all day. i have a full-time job and three children. >> yeah. >> and things to do. >> so, it really struck me that clearly she took the time to look at your profile because she said, you know, you have three cute kids. she's looking at your profile and yet making these assumptions that clearly she's wealthier than you and that you have not given back to the economy as much as she had and so forth. and she even called you, quote, adorably out of touch.
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your reaction. >> isn't that ironic? yeah. i find that to be probably the most out-of-touch statement of her whole response because i certainly am not the type of person who would try to display my wealth or brag about it in any way. it is -- it was deplorable, what she wrote in the first place, and then her response was even worse because if anyone's out of touch, it's certainly the person using taxpayer money to go on day trips to visit fort knox. apparently, they were going to stare at the gold bouillon. i don't know what the deal was. >> well, even if the trip was legitimate to kiecentucky, she go to fort knox with her husband. what you really took issue with is she was posting about the designer clothes she was wearing, particularly in a state with a high poverty rate.
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i understand linton has deleted her post and made her instagram post private. is mnuchin saying anything about this? >> so, so far, no comment. the post was deleted shortly after it started to make the rounds on twitter last night and go viral. she took her account private shortly thereafter, probably why ms. miller didn't quite see the response and wasn't up for so long. the white house has not commented on this today. ms. linton hasn't apologized. the only thing a spokesperson from the treasury department did say that the mnuchins will be reimbursing the government for the cost of ms. linton's travel to kentucky and that she was not compensated in any way by those high-end luxury fashion brands that she tagged. she did remove those tags, but she initially tagged there on that instagram post, valentino and tom ford, they wanted to make clear she wasn't being compensated but in terms of taste, the damage was done. >> i want to go to you lastly, jenny. you know you had said you posted
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on her account in a moment of weakness. what do you think now? do you have any regrets about doing that? or are you glad you did considering what kind of a spotlight this might have shed on the situation? >> i'm actually glad. i'm glad that, you know, they are reimbursing all of us, the government, the taxpayers for this trip that she used to advertise for brands that, i don't know, if her friends own them or what. but i think that that's a good outcome. and also, it's given me a chance to have a lot of followers on instagram who i've shared a fund-raiser with for a friend of mine who recently had a stroke and a lot of people are donating to that. and so i'm trying to make some good out of this situation. >> all right. jenny miller, best of luck to your friend, by the way. i saw that link on your profile. thank you very much for coming on. >> thank you. and thank you so much to kate bennett as well. up next, a last-minute stay for a man just hours away from execution. i'll talk live to the man who
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examined the murder weapon and a man who had his own death row conviction overturned. plus, a cleveland browns player becomes the first white nfl player to kneel during the national anthem. my panel weighs in just ahead.
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williams was set to die at 7:00 p.m. eastern for the stabbing death of a former st. louis post dispatch reporter. i want to turn now to greg. he's a forensic expert hired by williams' defense team to look at the dna evidence and he joins us now from idaho where he is a biology and criminal justice professor at boise state. thank you so much for coming on. first, your reaction to this stay. >> well, i was actually on the phone with obi anthony, an exonoree who was reaching out to the press through organizations and he told me that a news show that was interviewing him told him there was a stay and so i just started screaming, actually. and he did as well. we were very happy. this has been a very tense, very difficult process. i never expected it to go like -- to be so difficult. we had clear dna evidence. i thought we would get a hearing right away. this, for us, has been a
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nightmare. i can't imagine what it's like for marcellus, his family, the victim's family. it's really been chaotic. but thank god we've got some breathing time and i hope the board of inquiry will look very seriously at the new evidence. >> so, he was set to be executed tonight, and then this new evidence is brought to light by his defense team. you were waiting for the supreme court to weigh in. then the state weighs in and issues a stay during the final hours as the clock is ticking. why do you believe it is so telling in terms of his innocence. >> sure, we got a stay in early 2015, january 22 of 2015. the court ordered the missouri supreme court ordered dna testing on several items, including a kitchen knife from the victim's kitchen that was left in her body. she was stabbed many times, i think 27 times, 7 of those were lethal wounds. and so the idea was that if
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you're -- if a knife has been handled like that and it was clear that she fought valiantly for her life. there are defensive wounds on her hands, that that weapon would have some dna from the friction of gripping it and the struggle. and in fact, when it was tested, male dna was detected. there was enough male dna that nora ruden, who wrote the original report, the dna report, was able to exclude marcellus williams. i also did a report. i had originally been on the case to get the motion for testing, then they brought me back on to look at the evidence, and i also skexcluded him and prepared a report and the we've thought that would just go to a hearing as they normally do in these cases. it was very good evidence. it excludes marcellus williams. it's a male's dna. there is enough dna there to compare to others, to compare to a similar crime, a woman about the same age, this victim was
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42, the other one 40, white female, long brown hair, both of them stabbed with their own kitchen knives, both of them, the knife is left in the body. it's obviously potentially related. the medical examiner thought so in 1998. that second crime is unsolved. we certainly want the dna compared from both knife handles and from all the other evidence. but all the forensic evidence from the scene, including hairs, including footprint, all of it excludes marcellus williams. >> okay. greg, thank you very much. as we reported, the governor in missouri has issued a stay in his execution for tonight. thanks again, greg. i want to turn now to a former death row inmate. he joins me now with a personal side of this story. joe sat on ohio's death row for more than 20 years. his murder conviction eventually tossed out after federal courts found the state of ohio had withheld key evidence from the
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defense that he says pointed to his innocence. the u.s. supreme court would later deny ohio's attempts to keep prosecuting him. joe, welcome to the show. >> thank you very much for having me. >> first, just tell us, what is marcellus williams going through right now? just hours before he is set to die, the gofrp issuvernor issue. >> well, in my case, you go through so many appeals over and over, and you just get used to getting turned down that you can't actually allow yourself to ride that roller coaster because it will drive you absolutely mad. so, he's very elated right now that he got the stay, but you know, how long is this stay -- is there going to be a hearing that's going to be held? there's so many more questions now that are open, but at least now he has the stay in place, and that's the main thing. >> right. because the governor issued the stay in lieu of a gubernatorial
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board that will look at this case. as you point out, this is far from over. you have been a free man for over five years. what has life been like for you after being behind bars for 20 years for a crime you say you did not commit. >> it was very difficult. when i went in, the worldwide web didn't exist. cell phones were the size of car batteries. there's so much that -- everything changed so much. prices doubled in the amount of time i was gone. it was hard to acclimate myself back into society, because when you get exonerated, all they do is open the door and kick you out. there's nothing in place -- if you do a crime and then get out, there's all kinds of programs in place for people like that. but when you're exonerated, we're the dirty little secret that nobody wants to know about. so, all they do is open the door, kick you out, and if you
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don't have anything to fall back on, you're in trouble. and that's a lot of exonerees are in that same position. i was lucky enough and fortunate enough to have a parish, the priest that helped free me, his parish opened their hearts and minds to me, and i felt more unconditional love from them, but if it wasn't for them, i would have absolutely nothing. and luckily for me, to have a support system like that is amazing, and a lot of the exonerees don't have that. >> all right, joe, thank you for coming on, sharing your perspective, your story. >> thank you very much for having me. and coming up, the strategy for america's longest war. i'll speak live with the man who presented president trump a plan to pull out all troops out of afghanistan and replace them with private contractors. hear what he says about the president's course of action up next.
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president trump reversing his stance on afghanistan and recommitting to the war there. last night, the president spoke in very broad strokes, saying he didn't want to give specifics to the enemy. well, here's what we do know is that trump plans to increase troop numbers. he did not give specific numbers, though, but we hear from congressional sources that it will be about 4,000 more. and he also spoke of targeting terror networks going after isis and reducing the influence to the taliban. trump also called on pakistan to step up, calling pakistan a safe haven for terror. and we just heard from secretary of state rex tillerson who says there will be an announcement coming soon on the exact troop numbers and he also sent a clear signal that the u.s. does, in fact, want peace talks with the taliban. >> the effort is, again, a regional effort. put pressure on the parties to understand that this fieging ghs
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going to take everyone nowhere and it's time to begin a process, it may very well be a lengthy process, of reconciliation and a peace accord and afghanistan, as the president said, can choose its form of government that best suits the needs of it people, as long as it rejects terrorism, never provides territory in afghanistan to provide safe haven for terrorists, and accommodates all of the groups represented inside of afghanistan, ethnic groups and others. >> and joining me now, black water founder eric prince, a former navy s.e.a.l. prince now runs a company called frontier services group and was recruited by steve bannon to weigh in on the president's afghanistan war plan. eric, thank you for coming on. you say pulling out of afghanistan is a bad idea, but sticking with the same formula is, quote, insanity. so what do you make of what you heard from the president last night. >> well, the definition of doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is
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insapty. i think einstein said that. sadly, the president was backed into a bad decision last night. the pentagon never gave him any other realistic options other than more troops and more money and after 16 years, close to $1 trillion, next year alone we're spending more than $50 billion, more than the entire uk defense budget just in afghanistan and as secretary mattis said, we're not winning. i wrote an op-ed in the "wall street journal" back in june. the president read it. it sparked some conversation and some questions, they're looking for a different path. the sad thing is the president's, you know, the presidency itself is in a bubble. and there's a lot of generals that can very conventional generals in that bubble and they really prevented any other serious consideration of anything other than a pentagon approach of more troops and more money. >> i mean, so clearly, you were brought in to weigh in on this. were any of your ideas accept
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bed by the president last night, did any of them make the cut. >> look, i know in the presentations i made, i made a a big deal about the problems of the r.o.e., about needing the decision making to be in afghanistan not back in washington. i mean, sadly, there's been a number of open-air taliban victory parades just in may, june, and in july in afghanistan of hundreds of taliban fighters in dozens of captured vehicles in a brazen, open air victory parade, thumbing their nose at the united states and the afghan government. that's an enemy that's not afraid. because the targeting cycle and the bureaucracy of the pentagon, they were unable to strike them. hopefully w that clear direction, very clear direction from the president last night, that can at least be prevented. >> and part of what you have proposed, if i'm not mistaken, was a private military force proposing to send private contractors to afghanistan instead of u.s. troops. why would that be a good idea? >> well, look, already, before this troop announcement, there
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is already almost 9,000 u.s. troops in 26,000 contractors. i'm not advocating any more than contractors at all but rather a real rationalization, embedding contractors at the battalion level, which is kind of the smallest unit of maneuver there in afghanistan, providing them long-term training and support that live with, train with, and patrol with, attaching to the afghan army, and some air support and some governance support. it takes away the irritant that the afghans see of the foreign force, an invading force in their country. contractors that can go back to the same unit long-term, attach to the afghan army, does not even meet the definition of mercenary. they can be held accountable, back through the ucmj, through the uniform code of military justice, back through the u.s. justice system, and this all can be done for, really, 8% of what the spending is there now. so we tried to give the president an option of a cheaper, smaller, long-term and sustainable option. look, right now, with the navy having real problems navigating,
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four serious collisions in the last year, with loss of life, you have air force with 1,500 pilots short, with severe readiness issues of their aircraft and sadly an army that can't seem to end an insurgency, there is a better place to be spending $50 billion than afghanistan. so far, that hasn't been accepted, but i think in six months, even three months, the president's going to see the conventional approach that's already been tried and failed for 16 years, there's got to be some other things considered. >> critics of your plan cite costs as one reason why it wouldn't be a good idea. also, there was concern expressed that allies would ditch once u.s. troops pulled out. what do you have to say to those critics. >> you know what? critics on the cost, i challenge them, come out and debate me. i know what these things cost. i know exactly how to do this. i used to have 26 of our own aircraft in country doing this exactly for the u.s. military so people that want to shoot holes at costs, let them come and debate. glad to have that. as for allies, look, the ground
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mentors, the professionals that will be doing this would come from the united states or they could come from the nato countries so there's still ways for those countries to participate, but really, the nato contribution, their effectiveness has been very limited because each of those countries send troops with maximum amount of restrictions and it prevents them from being effective. if they come as individual augmenties supporting the afghan army, they're there to do a mission and they come back with that same battalion for years and they learn the continuity. the way the u.s. troops deploy there now, they go for six or nine months and they leave and all that local area knowledge leaves with them. >> let me just close by talking about black water, your former security firm. as you well know, several employees of black water were convicted in 2007 for the killing of innocent civilians in baghdad. one of those convictions was overturned just last week. but if your plan was put into place, how would you ensure that something like that would not
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happen again. >> let me be clear. the conviction was thrown out and the sentences were also thrown out for being cruel and unusual under the eighth amendment. that's why i said, any accountability method is covered under the uniform code of military justice that any contractor that was there that did an evil act can be held accountable right there on the edge of the battlefield just like a u.s. military person now is as well. >> erik prince, thank you very much. a cleveland browns player says he just wanted to do his part when he became the first white nfl player to kneel during the national anthem. will he face the same criticism and is this a growing problem for the nfl? plus, chelsea clinton is stepping in to defend fellow first kid barron trump after highs criticized over his clothing choice. i could fix it. (laugh) no. with claim rateguard your rates won't go up just because of a claim. i totally could've -
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well, more nfl players are taking a page from colin kaepernick's playbook. last night a dozen players kneeled during the national anthem. the team shared a prayer during the game against the new york giants. another team member held onto one for support. tight end seth devalve is believed to be the first white person to take a knee during the ran th anthem, a move that divides political lines. he is standing up for police brutality and remains on the nfl contract. i want to bring in commentators
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brent ferguson and keith boykin, as well as the sports designer for the magazine and is writing about michael bennett. what are they telling you are their reasons? >> the reasons they're giving are really twofold. the first is a response to charlottesville and what they saw as well as donald trump's response saying good people were marching with nazis. and the second reason is colin kaepernick. it's this idea that these players really do believe that the reason colin kaepernick is not employed right now is really a shot across the bow at them to keep them in line, and they want to be able to show nfl owners that, no, they're not going to be compliant when they feel like the nation is in crisis. what they're saying is, how do we use our hyper exalted,
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brought to you by cialis message out, and they see kaepernick as the way to do that. >> how many games did colin kaepernick win last season in the nfl? how many? >> are you asking me? >> yeah. seriously. >> i'm happy to have that discussion. colin kaepernick made 16 touchdowns, had four picks, left the nfl in yards per carry playing for probably the worst team in the national football league. >> let's be clear. colin kaepernick is not playing in the nfl right now because colin kaepernick lost a whole lot more at the end of his career than he won. i do not believe that it's because of his protest. if colin kaepernick would have won more games, he would be on an nfl team right now. now, the second point about the protest, this is my whole thing. how many of the guys that were kneeling last night were involved in the off-season in any type of protest at the local or state level? how many of the guys kneeling went out there and mentored
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young african-american men in their community in the off-season? how many of them got involved in politics at all in the off-season? in fact, how many of them are even registered to vote or voted in the last election? all the guys last night that were kneeling. >> dave, can you answer that? >> sure, i can answer that. players like kenny britt who in 2014 was one of the protesters around ferguson and he wrote "children's lives matter" on his arm. these players are very political conscious. they do things on a level that often do not get reported on. >> this is my point. i'm not saying some of these guys -- >> let him finish. i also want to get to keith, because we have keith as part of this panel discussion, too. dave, finish what you want to say and then i want to go to keith to get his thoughts. >> the players who are kneeling are extremely active in their communities and foundations, and they should get credit for that. it's not the sexiest story in the world, but to create this
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straw man saying, oh, they don't do anything except kneeling in the anthem is not true. >> how many are registered to slo vote, out of curiosity? >> dave, you're involved in typical diversion anterior taar. >> it's a direct question. >> they're using and standing up with their first amendment rights along are arthur a srkasd many other athletes. there are players who do feel like colin is being blackballed. there are others who did not lead their team to a super bowl and have been more successful than he and have had the chance to continue on. but the reality is, i think ben and anybody watching this knows, our country has a challenge with
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race. the president isn't making it any better. the cleveland police department was engaged in a pattern of abusive behavior where 12-year-old tamir rice was shot and killed by police officers at the moment of his exit in a city park. this has gone the way of racial strife, and it's exactly within their right. i expect them to stand up for something like this, and i applaud them for that. the only thing i'm upset about is they beat the giants last night. >> i have no problem with them -- it is absolutely their right. i'm not saying it's not their right. but this is my point. i think if you actually do things in the off-season and you actually are registered to vote and you actually get involved -- >> the assumption is so biassed, though. >> let him finish. >> -- then i think you're legit and i can respect the idea that you're kneeling during this national anthem. i may not agree with it, but i can respect you. what i don't like is hypocrisy. what i don't like is when i see players that are like, oh, this is the new cool thing to do, and
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i'm going to walk over and kneel, too, so i get some free press. >> let me bring in dave, because dave, you say some of the blame falls on the owners here as well? >> sure, it does, because one of the things the players are responding to as well is this idea that you've got donald trump as part of his stump speech speaks out and brags about colin kaepernick not having worked. players know the owners gave millions of dollars to donald trump's campaign, and it bothers players that they are expected to be compliant just because of colin kaepernick. but i do have to go back to this point. it's kind of the gall of just assuming these players aren't socially active in the off-season when, ben, you just don't know. i know these players and they are active. you're painting a picture that isn't true, and honestly, it feels very prejudicial. >> no, no. before this segment started, i went on social media of almost every player that i could see that was in the picture last night. i looked back as far as i could
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go over the off-season, and, one, i didn't see many political posts. i certainly didn't see anything talking out there in the community as you're describing it. >> i know these people. >> hold on, let keith speak. >> time out. this is a red herring, ben. you do not get to decide how and when people decide to protest. that is not your job. >> that's not what i'm trying to do. >> they are exercising their protest regardless of whether they do it 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. they're doing it now. do me a favor, ben. just respect the fact that they're protesting and don't try to set limits to when they must do it. >> this is a lively debate. we're going to have to take this debate off line. dave, i have to cut you off. sorry. the good news is you can talk off line and continue this conversation. sound good? thanks so much to the three of
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you. >> thank you. we have another story we want to cover. chelsea clinton is coming to the defense of president trump's youngest child. this after a conservative website questioned baron trump's choice of clothing. clinton sent out this tweet. quote, it's time the media and everyone leave baron trump alone and let him have the private childhood he deserves. the daily caller, an opinion and news site, criticized 11-year-old baron trump. it posted an article saying, it's high time the president's youngest son starts dressing like he's in the white house. they're talking about this picture here. here to discuss this is cnn contributor kate anderson braur. she is the author of "first woman." thanks for coming on. what did you think of chelsea clinton's response? >> when she came into the white house, her father was elected. she was only 12 years old herself. she was spoofed on "saturday
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night live" and he actually had to write an apology to the white house afterwards. clearly this is something she feels genuinely about protecting 11-year-old baron trump. i think most people respect that in the privacy of these children, but their lives are difficult. when he goes to a soccer game, the motorcade arrives early so he doesn't draw attention to himself. there are little things like that that make everyday life challenging. >> right, and what happened to the kids are off limits rule? >> i think that, you know, this is a sign that that is the case. i mean, this reporter has gotten into a lot of hot water over this story. >> does it seem like it's happened repeatedly? this isn't the first time baron trump has been the target of someone in the media. >> i do think now that the internet has really taken over, it's a different world now. people can tweet things that are harmful and i think people have to remember this is just an 11-year-old boy. i think one issue is he looks a lot older than he is. he's very, very young and it's
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unfair to him, absolutely. >> kate anderson brower, thank you very much. we do appreciate it. >> thank you. i'm pamela brown filling in for my colleague, kate baldwin. jake tapper and "the lead" starts right now. >> thanks, pamela. president trump reportedly feeling aggrieved. about to hold a campaign-type rally in phoenix, arizona. what could go wrong. calling for unity in america. he's on his way to arizona where two disapproving senators are waiting. could his night be wiped away with one ad lib? posing as a bizarre steve bannon and telling a top news organization that bannon now runs again. why would an editor in chief