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thanks for watching, time to hand things over to don lemon. hand things over to don lemon. "cnn tonight" starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- one day after his divisive phoenix rant, donald trump sticks to the script. what a difference a day makes. listen to the president tonight in reno. >> we have no division too deep for us to heal. and there is no enemy too strong for us to overcome. because in america, we never lose faith. we never forget who we are, and
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we never stop striving for a better future. >> but the teleprompter president speaking words others have written for him is not the real president trump. the real president trump speaking from his heart uses his bully pulpit to rail against anybody he thinks of as an enemy. even the leaders of his own party. he threatens to shut down the government if he doesn't get the money to build a wall on the border with mexico. and even though we all heard him with our own ears he pretends he never said many sides were to blame for the neo-nazi violence in charlottesville. none of this is worthy of the office. just listen to what james clapper, the former director of national intelligence said on this program last night. >> and i don't know when i've listened and watched something like this from a president that i found more disturbing. >> we also have skuvs cnn reporting tonight on the russia investigation and a newly uncovered e-mail which sources
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say is about efforts to arrange a meeting between trump campaign officials and vladimir putin himself. so let's get right to it. let get right to cnn global affairs david roe and garrett grath, the author of "raven rock" the u.s. government's secret plan to save themselves while the rest of us die. the president went off script last night targeting democrats, needling republicans, attacking the press all while misrepresenting his response to charlottesville. it's a different speech than what we heard on monday and what we heard today. here's all three of them, by the way. >> when we open our hearts to patriotism there, is no room for prejudice, no place for bigotry, and no tolerance for hate. >> i hit him the with neo-nazi. i hit them with everything.
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i got the white supremacist, the neo-nazi, i got them all in there. let's see. kkk. we have kkk. i got them all. they're trying to take away our culture. they're trying to take away our history. if you want to discover the source of the division in our country, look no further than the fake news and the crooked media. one vote away, i will not mention any names. very presidential. isn't it? very presidential. and nobody wants me to talk about your other senator, who's weak on borders, weak on crime. so i won't talk about him it is time to heal the wound that divide us and to seek a new unity based on the common values that unite us. >> so nia, he says there is no place for bigotry or hate on monday, then he uses dog whistles and goes on attack by
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tuesday and today he is back on teleprompter calling for unity. he is all over the place. >> he is all over the place. and it's partly because the republican party is all over the place. the monday trump is giving in to the hawkish wing of the republican party. he essentially listened to the generals in his cabinet and administration and went with what they said about troop increases in afghanistan. a conservative radio host said the calls were 70/30 in the eyes of the people. on tuesday we saw donald trump doing a makeup call to his base. they loved it. you could see them in that crowd cheering for him. even as he went off script especially as he went off script tearing into senator flake, tearing into john mccain and the media. i talked to the same conservative radio host today and he said the callers were pumped up. they loved it. they couldn't get enough of
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that. i think that's what he is doing. you've got a president who is really dealing with a republican party that is ideologically pretty diverse in terms of what they want to see from this president. in terms of any number of issues and so i think that's why you see this president on monday very different on tuesday very different again and on wednesday, pretty much like he was on monday but i think that was the presidential trump. >> it was almost a reverse of what happened last week. you know, he was -- you know, he went off script and on script and off script again. the same but different. different but the same. >> we're going to see the two faces of donald trump. >> i'm curious what the fallout is, you have republican sources, how are they reacting? >> i think it depends. base republicans loved the version of trump they saw on tuesday and establishment republicans are tired of dealing with this president and him going off script.
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i think they have tossed out a lot of their hopes he would stay on script and be presidential. >> does it change anything for them? >> i think that's the question. i do think we saw something of a tipping point this week. mitch mcconnell clearly thinking it was okay to go public with a lot of the grumblings people have had privately about this president. i do think that is different. but you are right to raise that issue what that means when they get back to washington in terms of what they do to support this president's agenda and support their own agenda in trying to maintain the majorities in the house and senate. we have seen something tonally different on what that means. it's unclear. >> david rode, i spoke with james clapper on the show. he surprised a lot of people when he questioned the president's fitness for office. take a look and we'll talk about it. >> i really question his ability
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to -- his fitness to be in this office. >> is he a threat to national security, the president? >> he certainly could be. again, having some understanding of the levers that a president can exercise, i worry about, frankly, you know, the access to nuclear codes. >> what did you think of the former director of national intelligence coming out and saying that, david? >> startling and frightening and everything else. i don't like the whole he's crazy argument. he knows what he is doing and being divisive for political reasons but something that clapper said -- >> before you go there, he did clarify and said he didn't mean crazy mentally but fit for offices in his actions and whether he was fit to do the job. >> there was a great phrase he used. he talked about the complete
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intellectual and moral and ethical void and that leads to this erratic behavior but there is real consequences to this. this threat of shutting down the government to build his wall drove down stocks today. he inherited a very strong economy and if this economy, you know, tanks, it would be a huge repercussions if they shut down the government. it would be a disaster for the republican party. >> if mexico is paying for the wall you wouldn't have to shut down the government. >> we don't need the wall. it's a fantasy. he has created this whole false narrative. it's about jobs in the end for the people who voted for him, they want him to produce jobs. if he destroys this economy it's one thing to say crazy things. to score political points. you know, he's in terrible shape. >> yeah, garrett, i'm not sure, have you been on the program before? i'm not sure. >> yes. >> welcome back. we have a -- you sat down with
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clapper before. what did you think? >> well, so i was really stunned watching those comments last night. i can't imagine what was going through your head in realtime listening to him say this. but i spent a lot of time covering jim clapper. this is someone who has dedicated 53 years of his life to the u.s. military and the u.s. intelligence. and to see him -- he's normally a very sober, very quiet person, someone who is not prone to giving much more than a mono syllabic answer and to see him speak so passionately and so wordedly about the president's fitness for office is something that should be terrifying to americans particularly when in the last 24, 48 hours we have seen that same comment echoed by former cia director john brenan and former deputy cia director
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john mclaughlin. this is an almost unprecedented public revolt by former intelligence leaders. i think you have to go back to the admiral's revolt in the truman administration which was a policy fight, not a personal fight to find a time when government leaders, even former government leaders were so forcefully speaking out against an administration like this. >> he was on with my colleague jim sciutto and he was making this now as a private citizen, not as any sort of intelligence agent. but just that the president's behavior especially over the last couple of days he found it to be erratic. >> and you know, i think i don't really buy all this talk of the on script trump and the off script trump. i think there is only really the off script trump and that's the
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thing that these last couple of months have underscored. >> what of the on script trump then? >> that there are certainly moments when he is on script but the true donald trump is the off script trump. it is the person who speaks on tuesday night. not the person who is speaking monday night and wednesday night. >> yeah, let's talk about this new quinnipiac university poll, 68% of voters say the president is not level headed. does that number surprise you? what does that mean? >> i mean, what surprised me about that number is if you look at the partisan breakdown, 32% of republicans think this president isn't level headed. that is a surprising number. you talk to pollsters about what they look for in terms of softening support and a president who is in danger in terms of how their own party feels about them and you look at this poll overall you are seeing softening of his support.
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pollsters want to see a president doing 85 to 95% in terms of approval rating in their own party. in this poll, 77% of republicans approve of the job this president is doing. this is below where pollsters would like to see a president in terms of how they're doing with their own party. a lot of danger signs i think for this president in terms of how he's doing. the trend lines aren't good in terms of his own party and that's reflected in the overall numbers. you talk about the 68% number that don't see him as level headed. that's up from about 57% in november of 2016. and any number of positive metrics that's the kind of deterioration of support you see for this president in terms of thinking positively about him. >> david, i want to add the same thing, 68% of voters say the president is not level headed and people are now saying it on camera. not as many people that say it
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off camera, especially republicans who say they worry about the president's fitness. you heard a recording between two lawmakers, susan collins and i forget who is the second one was, they said things i would not repeat. what do you think of that poll? >> this is all taking a toll. it's not working. he's showing over and over again he will throw anyone under the bus and insult any group to score a political point. the only group he listens to is the general who surround him in the white house and the sober speeches are scripted by mcmaster, mattis and others. but it's not working. why would you take a risk for this president if you are a republican in washington and september is going to wibe a critical and ugly month for this administration. >> why is that? >> the debt ceiling is approaching there, is talk of tax reform.
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he may insist again the obamacare repeal. he will push and mock mcconnell and how are senate republicans going to respond and if this default happens it's a disaster. >> and he and mcconnell are not getting along right now. go ahead, garrett. >> i think david raises a point that is worth elaborating on there, remember, this is a situation right now where we're seeing this type of concern about the president and we're seeing these types of numbers in a situation where the president really hasn't yet faced a crisis not of his own making, and where the economy is still strong. and if we see ourselves in a situation at some point in the fall where a foreign power or an outside actor is driving a crisis that the president has to be responding to, or we see the economy begin to weaken,
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possibly in response to a government shutdown or the fears of a government shutdown, i mean, this could get to be a very dire situation very quickly. >> yeah. >> and it's already early in his presidency. i mean, seven, eight months in. typically you see these kind of numbers in a second term, right? i mean these are the kind of numbers you saw in bush's second term post katrina when people really started to lose faith in him as a leader, lose faith in terms of what was going on in terms of foreign policy. i think that's why mitch mcconnell is looking at this and wondering and worrying about whether this president can get this back together. >> garrett i want to ask you about this. this was startling last night when you hear the former top intel official voicing concerns about the president's fitness and access codes to nuclear codes and his access to nuclear codes, none of this is
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theoretical when you consider north korea if he wanted to launch a strike, how would this work? can he union lottery do this? can he act unilaterally? >> not only can he, it's the way that the system is supposed to work. this is a cold war system that was designed to respond to having tens of thousands of nuclear weapons between the soviet union and the united states on a hair trigger alert. so speed was of the essence and we have spent literally billions of dollars over decades stripping away anything that could possibly slow down a presidential launch order. so from the moment that he gives that order, there is no second voice in the system. there is no one who has to double check that that is a valid reason for starting a war. the only check in the system is whether the president of the united states is the president of the united states.
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and once that confirmation comes through, the first american icbms leave their silos four minutes later. >> boy, okay. thank you, garrett, david, nia, appreciate it. i want to turn to james wolsy, the former cia director. we have been talking about the president's fiery rally. this is the former director of national intelligence, james clapper. >> having some understanding of the levers of power that are available to a president, if he chooses to exercise them, i found this downright scary and disturbing. this behavior and this divisiveness and the complete intellectual, moral and ethical void that the president of the
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united states exhibits, and how much longer does the country have to borrow a phrase endure this nightmare? >> what is your assessment and what concerns you the most about what you heard from him and the president over the last seven months? >> i think jim clapper has taken this concern rather substantially beyond what has occurred. and could give concerns to people of course. but, if you look at the john kennedy administration and kennedy's weakness in the 1961 summit with christoph, basically got the united states pushed around. trump thought that kennedy was weak. >> no one ever questioned his
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stability. >> no, but there was more reason to question kennedy's ability to be a good president in foreign policy in 1961, i think, than to question trump's ability to function in the national security side of things. now you can have a lot of disagreements with him about things he's said politically and the crazy business of what happened in -- at the university of virginia with his comments and so forth. but in terms of national security, i think that, you know, tomorrow, i believe our secretary of defense, general mattis is giving the independence day speech at -- in ukraine. he was invited by the ukrainian government to speak -- be the principle speaker about their independence. the world still looks to the
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united states and we have a responsibility, i think, to be people who help reform and help change and help modernize our strategic forces and those capabilities as much as needed. but i think the sort of thing that jim just said pushes the envelope beyond where it ought to be. >> do you think the president of the united states has a responsibility to act accordingly to befitting of the office and not to waffle. there's one thing to say that, well, you know, i think that someone is weak or maybe not as versed in it or there is a policy difference or someone is weak than saying someone is not stable and you cannot trust their decision making abilities and they have access to the nuclear codes and as garrett said four minutes later unilaterally, it's over. >> i don't think that trump has
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said anything as fool as as george w. bush's looking into putin's eyes and seeing his soul. >> he hasn't spoken -- he has only spoken glowing things about putin, this president, as well. and we also remember george w. bush -- >> nobody caused as much increase in the power of putin as president obama. when he drew the red line and said, putin -- or said to assad, you will not use chemical weapons against your own people, assad did and president obama's solution was to turn it over to russia. >> no one has questioned the stability of any president in modern history as they have questioned this president's ability, members of his own party. >> they ought to have a reason to -- >> you don't think there is a reason. did you watch the speech last night? >> i did. >> you don't think there is a
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reason to question his stability. >> no, people can disagree with parts of it. but i think that we need to realize that in terms of the world as a whole, the united states' stability is a center piece. we are a big family that has an obligation beyond ourselves, which is to help the world be a stable place politically. >> and do you think that's happening now? >> i think we have at least a reasonable chance in terms of the conduct of our foreign policy to, yes, to -- >> and that's in -- >> to retain that sense of stability. >> is that because of the people around this president or because of the president? >> well, it's some of both. i think that he's made generally good selections or some people think there too many state department holdovers and so forth. but i think generally he made good selections on a lot of the national security appointments that have occurred so far and
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those were his choices to make. he decided to put general mattis in at defense, for example. >> does it concern you he often contradicts these folks when it comes to policy, when it comes to north korea, he'll say one thing and they'll say another? >> that's called being in a free country. >> but my point is -- you're making the point about stability. that doesn't appear to be very stable if the people who he supposedly trusts and who knows about these issues more than he does even though he says he knows more than the generals, that he often contradicts them on policy. >> i think mattis set up a system for us which promotes disagreement. that's what we are about. the checks and balances are about our being candid with one another and if someone says something or does something that is truly out of line and crazy or something, that's different but i haven't seen anything that
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would have qualify for the sort of thing that clapper and others have said. >> i want to be clear. so you're happy with how this has gone? >> happy, no. i would like to see us move beyond this issue to look at ways we can help the president and the executive branch improve our standing in national security areas and dealing with tough problems such as especially iran and especially north korea. those are situations we're going to have to deal with. they're tough. we have some really angry and ideological enemies there. >> how do we move beyond this if the president doesn't move beyond it? >> i don't see any indication the president is not going to figure out how to deal with this. if you look at china, for example, we have -- he has first
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moved against china because of -- >> let me get back to my one of my initial questions. did you watch last night? this was a small part of what he talked about. he opened up talking about charlottesville and race and relitigating what happened and rewriting history. if he wants to move beyond this, why does he continue to have a bee in his bonnet about it? >> you need someone else to be the pr expert here. i'm bad -- >> you are saying stability and you would like to see him move beyond this. >> i was about to explain how i think he is handling things with china and north korea which is positive. he is, i think, moving in a way to first of all try to get china to cut back on some of the trade practices that have been a real problem for us over the years. but as he has seen china move in
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a small way but nonetheless clearly, in such a way as to cut back to some extent on north korea's independence, to add to sanctions and so forth, he has indications to china that if china works with us on north korea, he'll be more flexible with respect to some of these trade issues. that's the warp and woof of diplomacy. that's the way it's done and what he's doing. >> i've got to run. president trump stuck to the script today in reno but his rant in phoenix last night was like nothing we have heard before from a president. i want you to listen to this. >> now, i was a good student. i always hear about the elite. the elite. i went to better schools than they did. i was a better student than they were. i live in a bigger and more
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beautiful apartment and i live in the white house too, which is really great. i think, you know what, i think we're the elites. they're not the elites. >> here to discuss all of this, mike murphy and james fall. gentlemen i appreciate you joining us, james you have witnessed many presidential speeches from jfk onward. why was last night's speech or rabbit so different? >> one thing was the contrast between that and the previous night's speech when he was clearly on script and he had a homily about national unity and constancy and purpose and all the rest. and last night's speech was the trump we had seen on the campaign trail when he could speak from his real opinions and it is partly as you were just saying to james woolsey
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relitigating how popular he was and unfatherly the press treated him. and the other thing that struck me, is the way he attacked the press not for bad stories or not for misrepresenting this or that, which every president feels, but instead for their fundament i legitimacy saying that people in the press, you, me, and others are dishonest, bad people, sick, didn't like the country and wanted the country to fail. this is a step many presidents have taken in their private conversations but in public the only person who has come close to this is richard nixon and even he didn't come that close to the basic legitimacy of the press. >> mike, to you now, you are a long time republican consultant what is the president's strategy to give a performance like that right now. what is the strategy here? >> i think there is no strategy. i think it's self undull jones. what he is doing is a therapy session with an adoring throng.
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we see what happens when the staff is in control and other people writes speeches for him. and he reads the prompter and they move forward. and he is allowed to indulge himself and speak off the top of his head and we get this unfiltered donald trump which is causing a crisis in the republican party of how do we deal with him. i don't think there is a strategy. >> did you see a comparison between kennedy and trump saying one is weakness and one he hasn't seen anything that shows this president is not stable? >> well, i got the historical analogy he was trying to make but i'm not sure i agree with it. i don't believe the crazy trump theory. i believe he is a narcissist and the most insecure person i've ever seen in public life which attracts insecure people. he is a record setter but it's
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his crazy rhetoric has been worse than his actions which have been more rational. >> you know when someone says -- when people say unfit they don't mean crazy. >> exactly. yeah, look,i'vesaid unqualified by temperament, knowledge, or character to be president of the united states. i've said it publicly for a long time. i believe that. but you know, it's -- it's easy to get down the slippery slide into the nuclear madman stuff and i'm not sure that is accurate but he is unfit because he does not understand the role of the president is not only to be the head of government but head of state which means you have a responsibility to be kind of a reference clock for proper behavior in defending american values. and he doesn't understand that or doesn't care. that's why we have this insult comic communication added with total disregard for the truth which is a toxic stain on this presidency. >> go ahead. >> just to take that point one
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step further here is a specific example of what fitness for office means. there is a skill you have as a live performer which is knowing the pulse of a crowd, the mood of the crowd and he plays to it really well. he was working the crowd for cheers. fitness for being president involves being aware that every single second of your life, every up rans you put out, every word you say or don't say has consequences around the world and in this country. his entire inability to imagine that, i think that is a kind of fitness he is not getting better at. >> when people criticize and say they are questioning the president's sanity and all that, they know better. they're doing it just to make a point. you spoke with my colleague chris cillizza and you said that the president might not be president by 2019?
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why not? >> i prefaced it with how my crystal ball is completely shattered. so i made a few wild guesses but to the extent i have to guess i will guess this, he won't get better. he will pry himself away from someone else's words on the prompter and we will get more of this. the intensity against him will grow. he will have no fun and the republican party which i love dearly is looking at a big political price in the mid-term elections. the guy who promised us we will be tired of winning is heading toward the biggest disaster in modern history since watergate. plus the unknown outcomes of the mueller investigation, there is a massive machine investigating everything including most likely the tax returns that for some reason he is terrified to make public. i believe the spring of 2019
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will be an extremely difficult time for the president and what he might do then is cut his losses. settle and run. so i am just not confident and i was interested to read that mitch mcconnell. i have a lot of respect for at least privately has speculated about the same thing. he is just not built for this and may not last and could resign. he would do it with typical trump theater. i will put pence in charge but i will give him orders and lead the third party crusade to wrest back from the swamp. >> i see a book. i'm feeling a book here. james, is that how you feel it? >> i have sworn off making predictions. but i think if we do look back and say he doesn't finish this term the news story in "the new york times" saying snort mcconnell, quote, in private, unquote is wondering whether the president can pull this out for
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his presidency will be a turning point. because what has kept him going is the complicity of the republicans in the senate and the house sticking with him even though they all know what kind of person he is and the risk the country is encountering by having him in office. the fact that mitch mcconnell, the least emotional, least undisciplined, least leak prone member of the republican majority is sending out this signal, if things go in that direction we'll look back on this as a turning point. >> the one big success, gorsuch, mcconnell was responsible for that. >> you don't get them all right. >> thank you all. i appreciate it. when we come back, new
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what can you tell us about that? >> that's right, don. the deputy white house chief of staff and was a top trump policy adviser sent an e-mail to trump campaign officials saying that someone from, quote, wv, was trying to set up a meeting with campaign officials. this is one of thousands this of e-mails that congressional investigators are pouring through as it relates to the russia program. we don't know who this individual from west virginia is and what he or she may have been seeking or whether the campaign took steps to have this russia meeting but we know from intelligence experts that russias were looking for cooperative partners as entry points into the campaign. but the white house declined to comment and answer a series of questions that we had. so we're trying to figure that out. >> give us a sense of context
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here. give us some context. when was all this happening and was it related to the meeting we now know took place with donald trump jr. with manafort? >> the e-mail came out around june 2016 that was around the same time as the donald trump jr. meeting did occur. that happened with paul manafort and jared kushner and the russian operatives. the question is whether there was any connection there. we have no knowledge it may have any ties or relationship with that donald trump jr. meeting. but around the same time last year another trump adviser, george papadopoulos tried to set up a meeting with russian officials and that was denied by the campaign, we have been told. we don't know about this dearborn e-mail if it had connections to any of this.
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but now it's a pattern of russian officials trying to find new ways, maybe cooperative partners to work with people within the trump campaign as russia is trying to discredit hillary clinton and try to elect donald trump according to the intelligence community, don. >> how long has congress had this e-mail and what is likely to happen now? >> they have had these e-mails since earlier this summer. we have, you know, we have not seen -- we were just learning about these e-mails now because they are trying to pour through these thousands and thousands of e-mails. the question right now is whether mr. dearborn will come forward to any of these committees. there are three committees looking through these e-mails. almost certainly i'm told mr. dearborn will be asked to come forward and answer questions about this. so this is -- this is bound to
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put some new pressure on the white house for to reveal some information here. also, it's important to realize here that mr. dearborn was jeff session' chief of staff when he was a senator and session has drawn some scrutiny because he had multiple meetings with the russian ambassador and the question is whether dearborn had a role in setting up those meetings and what he knows. >> i want to bring in cnn contributor john dean and the author of "conservatives without conscious" and steve hall, retired director of russian operations. john dean, you're first. let me get your reaction to the breaking news, it's clear that the russians were looking for connections inside the trump campaign, right? >> it is clear and that is part of their m.o. as we understand it. i'm not surprised that e-mails are turning up.
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e-mails have been the discovery find of the current generation of investigators. and they are a rich source. so i'm -- i suspect it will be more of this sort of thing. and it's often a little bit of a needle in a hay stack. that may be what this is but it will give investigators some place to go and focus. >> we know from the don junior e-mail that russia wanted trump to win over hillary clinton. so what's the take away from this? >> i think the take away -- >> for steve. >> i think the take away, don, is this is simply another data point on the counterintelligence spectrum of the continuing drip we have of yet more people of who the russians were taking a look at to see whether they could penetrate the trump organization during the campaign. and sometimes account be surprising, you know, it can be
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a janitor, it can be an office administrator, a secretary. they will look at everybody across the boards. you never know who is going to have access to interesting things and you don't know what the motivations and vulnerabilities are of any individual person who may be willing to cooperate with the russians. whether or not it's mr. dearborn or something that goes back to w.v. is that west virginia? is there a connection there? these are all the things that need to be tracked down. we won't know if any of it rises to a legal concern until mr. mueller and his team finish their work but it continues to be concerning as this keeps coming out. >> john, this is what you tweeted last night. trump's unhinged phoenix event is pure diversion. he is worried about mueller and needs to discredit the news
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media. you think that they could be closing in on higher ups, even the trump family. why do you say that? >> just being an investigation watcher at the presidential level for a lot of years. i notice a quiet surrounds the higher they get. we had a quiet. we don't know anything about what the mueller investigation is really doing. they're sealed tight. they're a black box and all professionals. so, but we do know there is very little static out there. this comes from congress, this dearborn information. it's not from anything other than normal discovery that has popped up. but what i sense is the white house is getting feedback from higher ups, maybe some people in the family are being called, their lawyers are being called and that's what struck me is that trump realized it had been a while since he has gone at the press and he needs to discredit anything that is going to come
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out. so there he was last night discrediting the press. >> so john, cnn is reporting the screaming phone call the president had with republican leader mitch mcconnell focused on why mcconnell wasn't protecting trump from the russian investigation. is he putting himself in danger of more obstruction charges? >> he certainly is. there is an obstruction statute that deals with interference with a congressional investigation. while we have a lot of leeway in legislative areas between congress and lobbyists, when you get in the investigative area there are some strictures and some controls. and if you start messing with their investigator powers you can find yourself in an obstruction situation. >> steve, after the p profanity-laced phone call with mitch mcconnell, a lot of people were speculating that perhaps something big was about to be
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released on the russia investigation that the president may have known there was more to come out. what do you think? >> well, i think -- >> steve, steve -- >> steve, go. >> sorry. >> i think that's right. mueller is running a very professional, very compartmented, in intelligence terms, investigation. and that's as it should be. we can all sort of hope and anticipate that something will come out of that or perhaps we'll learn something ahead of time. but that team he has arranged and pulled together is a really tight and professional group. i don't think we're going to hear anything about it until it's close to the end or until legal action starts. and i've said this before on a counter intelligence or stuff that is involved with counterintelligence like this investigation does, it takes so much more time. and you have to deal with classified. it's just so much more
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complicated. people who are saying where are the facts. when your marry up the discipline and the complexity of the counterintelligence and legal investigation it's going to take time. >> steve hall and john dean, i appreciate it. in her new book, hillary clinton reveals what she was thinking during this memorable debate moment with donald trump. ronoh really?g's going on at schwab. thank you clients? well jd power did just rank them highest in investor satisfaction with full service brokerage firms... again. and online equity trades are only $4.95... i mean you can't have low cost and be full service. it's impossible. it's like having your cake and eating it too. ask your broker if they offer award-winning full service and low costs. how am i going to explain this? if you don't like their answer, ask again at schwab. schwab, a modern approach to wealth management.
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in her new book, hillary clinton explains what she thinks
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went wrong in her campaign and wishes she could have a do over. watch. >> in this book i write about moments from the campaign that i wish i could go back and do over. if the russians could hack my subconscio subconscious, they'd find a long list. iallo capture moments i'd like to remember forever like when my tiny granddaughter raced into the the room while i was practicing my speech and what it was like hours later to step on stage to deliver that speech as the first woman ever nominated by a major political party for president of the united states." >> karen finny, her former senior advisor and spokesperson. and kevin madden and jason miller. a lot of folks have some interest in this book. karen, i'm sure you do as well you'll be reading it from
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cover to cover. youchbl you've worked on the clinton campaign. why do you think she's releasing these particular excerpts now? >> i think people are very interested to hear what hillary has to say. the first of what you just played is from the author's note. so i think it gives a bit of a framing from what your going to hear in this book. in addition to the fact this is hillary's story, this is an american story and a historical moment where we had the first woman ever running for president. there are a lot of people interested to hear that and the second set of excerpts are from a longer chapter of what it's like to be a female candidate. she has like 20,000 women running in the next election, which is fantastic. having a conversation between the differences of what it's like as a woman verses a man, i think that's going to be a great
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conversation and not just look back but look forward a bit. and i thimg you'll look forward and read and see inspirational moments and moments talking about resilience. >> i want to look at some moments here and there's also video. donald trump was standing behind her during a debate at washington university. here's an excerpt from the book. >> he was literally breathing down my neck. my skin crawled. it was one of those moments where you wish you could hit pause and ask everyone watching, well, what would you do? do you stay calm, keep smiling and carry on as if he weren't repeatedly invading your space? or do you turn, look him in the eye and say loudly and clearly back up you creep. get away from me. i know you love to intimidate women but you can't intimidate
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me so back up. i chose option a. i kept my cool, aided by a lifetime of having to deal with difficult men trying to throw me off. i did however grip the microphone extra hard. i wonder though whether i should have chosen option b. >> a lot of people are going option b, option b. if only for the drama, right? option b. i think this is going to be option b will be a saturday night live skit. mark my words. you lived it. what did you think? >> i think she was hitting here on a question that we faced every single day on this campaign. do you just say what you really believe or does she need to be that composed presidential leader people were looking for? i think women candidates face this all the time. they're supposed to be tough and in command and nurturing and
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relatable. i tell you we face this all the time and women candidates face this all the time. >> you think he was trying to intimidate her? >> i don't know what he was doing. it was so weird and awkward. probably. he has that kind of look on his face. i can't tell you. >> let me let jason in here. because it has been said she walked over to his side and therefore he's taller than her and so it just looked odd. i don't know. he was pretty close to her. she probably did feel him breathing. what do you say to that the? >> and let's not forget that donald trump won this big league. this is arguably his best debate performance. but i'd say to the democrats watching congratulations that secretary clinton is back and reminding everybody she is the face of the democratic party. so just as democrats are looking
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to pivot and looking ahead to next set of elections and next set of ideals and goals, secretary clinton is taking us back to the 2016 campaign. and so for all the criticism the president gets, here's secretary clinton doing it again. >> jason, jason -- she's writing a book. he's the president of the united states. she's not going out giving press conferences. come on. the woman can write a book. how many books has donald trump written, written? >> why do paoliticians do this? they come out with a book. i don't know if it's a therapeutic thing, if it helps them get over the loss. nobody wants to hear this. that being said, i'd be remiss -- >> can i remind you the book is already a best seller. >> hold on. i'm a huge fan of political memorabilia and so i would say
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robby, can you hook up a brother with a copy of the signed book? go ahead. >> hillary won the popular vote by 3 million votes. a majority of the voters have a right to hear from hillary about her feelings about this election and i want to touch on something -- >> you asked for that popular vote thing. but quickly, go ahead. >> i want to underscore something that karen said. this book is also about the future. it's hillary reflecting on lessons we need to take moving forward. this isn't necessarily about relitigating the past, it's what we need pay attention to moving forward. >> i think let's remember that during that debate while it was probably one of donald trump's better debates, he was judged very harshly for that and i think option a was the right
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option that hillary clinton took and i don't think it had goog do with gender. we've seen these instances where there's invasions of space and she handled it with poise. in the 2012 campaign we built a replica set for governor romney to practice some of those invasions of space because we remembered some of those between george w. bush and al gore and how problematic it was. look, i expect there will be portions of this book that are forward looking. but right now any relitigation of 2016 really doesn't serve a democratic party that has to really transition away from past leaders and find new ones. i agree with jason that it is problematic. i don't question the right of hillary clinton. i question the wisdom. >> i think that's very short sighted. this is a woman who has been in
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politics, an activist inside and out sfside for a very long timed a lot we can learn from her and i think there's a lot that happened in 2016 that our country still needs to take a look at. think about charlottesville. think about a year ago this week hillary gave a speech about the rise of the alt-right and people were shocked at what they saw in charlottesville when actually the fbi had been reporting on the rise of these hate groups since president obama's election, frankly and hillary gave voice to some of what was going on a year ago and i think our country still has not confronted this conversation about races and what is happening in our country. we have not had a conversation about what it is to be a woman candidate and at those highest levels. i think there's a lot going on in our culture that she writes about that is so relevant and important to be examined. and it's incredibly short


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