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subject of kind of an intense political education by the revolution. >> how has it affected him? >> well, i mean, the extraordinary thing is, he's kind of seems whole. he's obviously deeply committed to the revolution. he's kind of a great defender of the communist system at a time when young cubans are generally, i think, dissatisfied, or wondering what their future is going to hold. but he's also had the love of the family that has clearly surrounded him. and i think part of theic done tri nation has been that he's been told that the cuban people are his wider family and have embraced him. i think it's all sort of fit together and he's come out the other side. >> tim golden, thank you. beautiful shot. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> elian airs tomorrow night at 10:00 eastern. that's it for us tonight. thank you so much for watching. good evening. what a difference a day makes.
well, a day, a speechwriter and teleprompter. president trump speaking to veterans in reno reading from prepared remarks on a teleprompter calling for national unity. >> it is time to heal the wounds that divide us and seek the common values that unite us. >> heal the wounds, common values that unite us, normally strong words except when these words are coming from the mouth of president trump, many americans wonder what, if anything, do they really mean. the president stood before a crowd of supporters in phoenix and revealed how far he'll go, how much he'll bend the truth, whose memory he'll sully, whom he will attack even in his own party. he does this to cover up a fact that he made a mistakes. he clearly thinks of himself as a victim of republicans, democrats, reporters, and just about everyone else. donald trump, the world's
biggest victim, trapped in the body of the world's most powerful man. this is what he has done his entire life. maybe it was entertaining in new york when he was a brash real estate broker, bragging about his prowess with the ladies. now he's president of the united states. many in that auditorium in phoenix may have enjoyed his rifs. many others in the country believe the act is wearing thin. we want to take a few minutes to go through some of the things the president claimed last night which were misstatements of fact. or let's be real, outright lies. last night the president was supposed to talk about his accomplishments and agenda. it became a 77-minute airing of grievances making himself the victim in the tragedy of charlottesville, that had many real victims, including heather heyer, just 32 years old, struck and killed by a driver authorities say on a mission of murder. the president mentioned heather's first name in passing but spent most of his time on
charlottesville trying to repeat what he said and didn't say immediately after the fact. >> i'm really doing this to show you how damned dishonest these people are. so here is my first statement when i heard about charlottesville, and i have a home in charlottesville, a lot of people don't know. here's the first -- i can't believe they haven't figured that one out yet. now they know. now they finally know. but i just -- i don't want to bore you with this. but it shows you how dishonest they are. most of you know this anyway. so here's what i said. really fast, here's what i said on saturday. we're closely following the terrible events unfolding in charlottesville, virginia. this is me speaking. we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence. that's me speaking on saturday.
right after the event. >> all right. so let's just focus on that for a moment. because the president is right there, attempting -- right there, he's attempting to rewrite history, to recraft what he actually said. yeah, he did speak those words on saturday after the tragedy, that's true, but he left out the end of the last sentence and the next sentence. this is the sentence the president actually spoke on saturday, the day heather heyer was killed. >> we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence, on many sides. on many sides. >> on many sides. that is the controversial part. that's the part, by the way, he ad libbed on saturday. that's the part he equated neo-nazis and klansmen to the people who protested them. also last night in all the time he devoted to his comments about charlottesville and how terrific they were, he made no mention that on tuesday, after the
tragedy, he praised, and i quote, very fine people on both sides. he didn't mention that last night. he said there were people quietly protesting the idea of removing a statue of robert e. lee on friday night. what's so stunning about those remarks, about very fine people being in that torch lit march is it was a well organized march by neo-nazis, white supremacists and white nationalists and they were chanting nazi slogans and anti-jewish slogans, and it's on tape. >> jews will not replace us! jews will not replace us! >> do you think those were muslims chanting jews will not replace us? the president would have spoken about very fine people in their midst? we spoke to the vice correspondent who was with the nazi marchers throughout the evening about the people she saw friday night. when the president says that there were good people at this march, they were quietly there
to protest removal of the robert e. lee statue, that not all of them were neo-nazis or white supremacists, what do you -- is that true? >> no. everyone who is there knew what they were doing. they were shouting, jews will not replace us. it was very well coordinated. they had an order to the chants. there was no mistaking, there's no innocent person wandering up getting involved in this. >> last night the president did not mention the very fine people. another lie about omission. he did, however, lash out at the press coverage and no surprise he wasn't honest about that either. listen. >> then i said racism is evil. did they report that i said that racism is evil? you know why? because they are very dishonest people. so i said, racism is evil. now, they only choose, you know, like a half sentence here or
there and then they go on this long rampage or put on the lightweights around the table that nobody ever heard of. they all say what a bad guy i am. >> so he's talking about his prepared statement right off a teleprompter on monday of last week. and again, he's not being honest. let's take a look at just about every news outlet covered it live. >> racism is evil. and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs. including the kkk, neo-nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as americans. >> so again, the president claimed it didn't get coverage and the crowd in phoenix appeared to believe him. sad. the president even lied last night about the coverage last night. >> the live red lights, they're turning those suckers off fast.
they're turning their lights off fast. like cnn -- cnn does not want its falling viewership to watch what i'm saying tonight. oh, boy, those cameras are going off. oh, wow. why don't you just fold them up and take them home. oh, those cameras are going off. wow. that's the one thing -- they're very nervous to have me on live television, because this can't happen. >> he's talking about his staffers there? you know what that is? that is the sound of the president lying again. in fact, we and others kept the cameras going for each and every one of those 77 minutes that he spoke, including every last attack on the people wrathing it. broadcasting it.
>> continuous coverage of every single moment of the president's remarks. he lied, too, about his own record, or exaggerated his accomplishments both big and small. >> we've also obtained historic increase in defense spending to prevent and deter conflict. we believe in peace through strength. we're building up our military like never before. >> like never before. the president has asked for a $54 billion boost in military spending for the next fiscal year which is big, but it's only a smaller basis. congress has yet to either raise spending caps or actually appropriate the money. asking is one thing, getting it is another. he also turned down a chance to take any responsibility for the gop health care bill not passing in the senate. without naming names, he repeatedly referenced the senator whose vote sealed his fate, arizona's john mccain who happens to be undergoing radiation chemotherapy for brain
cancer. the president also slald not by name jeff flake, arizona's junior senator. >> one vote away. one. one vote away. we were one vote away. think of it. seven years, the republicans, and again, you have some great senators. but we were one vote away from repealing it. [ chanting ] >> but you know, they all said, mr. president, your speech was so good last night, please,
please, mr. president, don't mention any names. so i won't. i won't. no, one vote away. i will not mention any names. very presidential, isn't it? very presidential. and nobody wants me to talk about your other senator, who's weak on borders, weak on crime. so i won't talk about him. >> that promise didn't last long. a few hours later the president tweeted about him. he was asked not to use the event to talk about the pardon of joe arpaio in a racial profiling case. sarah huckabee sanders said there would be no pardon announced in phoenix. the president was warned that
given the controversy surrounding arpaio would be like striking a match in a power keg. the president would not be deterred. >> by the way, i'm just curious, do the people in this room like sheriff joe? >> yes! [ cheers and applause ] >> so, was sheriff joe convicted for doing his job? he should have had a jury, but you know what? i'll make a prediction. i think he's going to be just fine, okay? [ cheers and applause ]
but i won't do it tonight, because i don't want to cause any controversy. is that okay? all right? but sheriff joe can feel good. >> the pardon paperwork is ready to go whenever the president wants. the president also said this last night which rings hollow, not just tonight, but from what we saw in the campaign. >> you always understood what washington, d.c., did not. our movement is a movement built on love. it's love for fellow citizens. >> movement built on love. roll that one around in the brain pan for a moment. it's got political people, some much them begun to worry out loud about the president's fitness for office.
three-star general appointed by republicans and democrats. this is what he said after the speech when he asked if president trump is a threat to national security. >> well, he certainly could be. again, having some understanding of the leverage that a president can exercise, i worry about, frankly, you know, the access to the nuclear codes. in a fit of peak he decides to do something about kim jong-un, there's actually very little to stop him. the whole system's built to ensure a rapid response if necessary. so there's very little in the way of controls over, you know, exercising a nuclear option, which is pretty damn scary. >> this is what bob corker said in wake of the president's
comments in charlottesville. >> the president has not yet been able to demonstrate the stability, nor some of the competence that he needs to demonstrate in order to be successful. i think our president needs to take stock of the role that he plays in our nation, and move beyond himself, move way beyond himself, and move to a place where daily he's waking up thinking about what is best for our nation. >> moving beyond himself. supporters of the president says his base doesn't care if the president lies or not, and many republicans believe him over the media reporting it. so be it. but those who don't care if he lies has to wonder what drives him. what is it that makes someone so uninhibited by facts and truth, not in random tweets in the early morning hours when he's
watching the morning news programs, but in settings like last night, lying directly to those who support him the most. it might be fruitless to get inside the man's head than to just look at what he does. when you do that, a thread becomes clear, whether it's insisting his inauguration crowds were the biggest even though they weren't, and won a historic electoral vote when he didn't. with president trump there's always one constant, himself. it is always about himself. about his crowds, about his victory, his strength, his wealth, his intelligence, his speech, his reviews, his coverage, his innocence, him. last night first and foremost wasn't about the people in that auditorium as the president claimed it was. maybe that was the biggest lie of all. last night what we saw was all about him. if the president really wanted to make last night about one person, he could have made it about john mccain, a man he
disagrees with, but sacrificed for this country. how differently we might see the president, even people who disagree with him. had the president taken a moment to honor a brave senator from that state, fighting perhaps the most difficult battle of his storied life. how different might it have been had he made the night about heather heyer, again, someone who maybe didn't share his beliefs, but who stood up for hers and others and was struck down doing it. what might we be saying if the most powerful man on earth had taken a moment to truly honor her as he's done for the tragic victims of murderers of undocumented criminals. heather heyer may not have agreed with president trump, but how much of a bigger man would the president appear today if he praised someone precisely because she didn't agree with him. what might we and the country be saying had he actually lived up to the words on his teleprompter today about healing and understanding and about love. we've got perspective next from someone who's been in the oval
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codes, if he in a fit of peak, he decides to do something about kim jong-un. there's actually very little to stop him. the whole system's built to ensure a rapid response if necessary. so there's very little in the way of controls over, you know, exercising nuclear option, which is pretty damn scary. >> let's get perspective from podcast host and former adviser david axelrod, and david chalion and michael d'antonio. it's extraordinary to hear from director clapper questioning trump's fitness to serve. he was the head of the dia. >> yeah. well, look, that was a stunning analysis by director clapper,
who i've known, i've watched him in government, and he's got a stellar record, not a partisan. and calling into question the president's fitness for office, particularly invoking the nuclear codes, which has been a concern of some for a long time. and i suspect that he was echoing private concerns that he's heard among national security and intelligence people. the only reservation i have about this, anderson, is one of my concerns about the president is he's been so reckless about kind of delivering these hammer blows to our democracy, to the legitimacy of the courts, the congress as a co-equal branch of government. we have to be careful when we leave the heavy influences out there that suggests somehow something should be done. there may be a time and place for a process that involves the president's tenure, but it ought to be proceeded with great care.
>> david chalion, it's very easy for democrats and people who do not like the president to get ahead of themselves and feel like things are in motion when in fact that's not the case. i mean, we're, what, just a little more than six months into his administration. and according to a poll, he's at 77%. >> which is not great, by the way. a little bit lower than it has been. it's not a healthy place to be with your own party. but this is why, anderson, there's such an extraordinary burden on paul ryan and mitch mcconnell in congress. they need to take on the leadership role of really trying to get this trump presidency back on course. this is why i think it's such an explosive story of the mcconnell-trump relationship disintegrating. you see both sides in trying to repair it publicly as they can. but paul ryan and mitch mcconnell have an extraordinary
burden right now because donald trump is not filling the leadership role that the president normally fills. and they need, as the folks that are of his party and holding both majorities in congress, they need to get him back on force. >> you profiled donald trump, wrote a book when he was a citizen. does he have -- does he operate with strategy? or is it more -- my sense is it is more gut instinct or shear emotion. he's like a live wire of emotion who can't stop himself from reacting. >> i think you're right. i think that he's acting impulsively often. he's restrained at various times when he feels besieged. these more measured appearances where there's been a script or teleprompter, that reflects donald trump under pressure. i think one thing we have to really give ourselves is the permission to observe what he's doing, and not decide, well, we
have to get inside his head. we have to diagnose him. that's really not necessary. we can just look at how he's behaving, decide for ourselves as citizens and as people concerned about policy and politics, what's going on. and i think director clapper's rightly distressed by what he's observing. i don't think we're at the place that we can say this person is unfit, mentally unstable or even suffering from dementia as some have suggested. >> david chalian, how do you see how republicans in washington, in the senate, in the house are dealing with him? obviously there have been questions of fitness coming from the republicans. most notably senator corker. obviously he's a republican. and yet you have a lot of republicans who even in the wake of charlottesville are not calling out the president by name. >> you have to remember, anderson, going back to election day, a quarter of trump's voters didn't think he's fit for office and they voted for him anyway.
i'm not sure bob corker's going to have some major sway with the rock-solid core of trump support. i do think it's instructive, though, to sort of look at, i think there's a difference between the way paul ryan and mitch mcconnell have been proceeding here. paul ryan is much more dependent for his own survival in his job, on the house freedom caucus, folks who go back home, and their voters, in their districts are all rock solid in their support for donald trump. that's a little different political calculus in the senate. we have seen it play out obviously when three members of his own party bucked him on health care in -- last month. i think you see mitch mcconnell have a different set of political calculations to make, because he's not catering just to the base of the party, he's got these republican elected officials who have to run statewide and need more than just the base. >> it is interesting, michael, to see the president make the kind of remarks he did, kind of ranting last night for so long,
and then to see him on prompter reading somebody else's remarks today. it makes the remarks today, i think, seem hollow, given that it certainly seems like last night that is the real donald trump. >> well, precisely. and you were right when you noted earlier that there seems to be this kind of raw nerve approach, where he's delivering to those audiences at the so-called rallies exactly what they came for. they want to be excited. they want to be energized. it's a performance that they know fairly well. many of them travel the country to attend these rallies. and for the president, i think this is energizing as well. his ego requires it. >> thanks. just ahead, more breaking news. newly uncovered e-mail about a previously unreported effort to arrange a meeting between trump officials and vladimir putin. no splashing! wait so you got rid of verizon, just like that?
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sources, the e-mail detailed an effort to arrange a meeting last summer between trump campaign officials and russia's president vladimir putin. what have you learned tonight? >> that's right, anderson, congressional investigators have unearthed this e-mail from the top trump aide that referenced this previously unreported effort to arrange the meeting between trump officials and putin. now, the aide is actually rick dearborn, now president trump's deputy chief of staff. he sent a brief e-mail to campaign officials last year relaying information about an individual who was seeking to connect top trump campaign officials with putin. now, the person was only identified in the e-mail as being from, quote, wv. that's a reference we're told to west virginia. we're not sure who this person was, what he or she exactly was seeking or whether or not rick dearborn acted on this request. this person had political connection in west virginia. that same source told me dearborn appeared skeptical of
the requested meeting. interestingly, that meeting -- the e-mail in june of 2016, around the same time of that donald trump jr. meeting in trump tower with jared kushner and paul manafort and campaign operatives. many details of this dearborn e-mail are unclear. but the existence alone suggests that russians may have been looking for another entry point into the trump campaign to see if there are any partners willing to help their effort to discredit hillary clinton. but dearborn did not respond to our request for comment. the white house declined to comment. >> dearborn was a longtime agent for jeff sessions. what did he do for the trump campaign? >> top policy adviser, and served as executive director of the transition when trump won the presidency. what role did he play in arranging two meetings between then ambassador to the u.s. kislyak and sessions, as well as his role in setting up an april
2016 campaign event at the mayflower hotel that kislyak attended and jeff sessions attended. the question is whether or not mr. dearborn had any role in setting those up as well. >> this is not the first e-mail we've learned about. as you said, it's around the same time. >> that's right. intelligence experts say that the request made by the unidentified west virginia really fits a pattern of russians trying to gather human intelligence, and seeking unwitting partners as part of these covert operations, as we know the donald trump jr. meeting occurred around that time frame as well as an effort by trump campaign adviser named jord pop a dop louse who had tried on multiple occasions to set up a meeting between top russian officials, including vladimir putin, top trump campaign officials. we learned that that effort didn't go anywhere. the trump campaign -- mr. pop a
dop oh louse has not responded to our request. it's unclear about the dearborn e-mail as well. >> thanks. joining me is steve hall, and alana shore. you have new reporting tonight regarding president trump reaching out to republican senators over russia related issues. who are we talking about here? what have you learned? >> well, we're talking about senate foreign relations chairman bob corker and senator tom tillas. this was on two separate russia related matters. first, corker, trump wanted to talk about the russia sanctions bill. this was the bill that the president had resisted and dragged his heels on signing. senator tillas got a call about the bill he's sponsoring to prevent the president from firing robert mueller. >> so, just because -- one of the senators, tillas has a bill to protect special counsel mueller. did that come up in a conversation? do we know anything about the nature of the conversation? >> it did. a source tells us that the conversation became tense
concerning the mueller bill. trump expressed unhappiness with the bill. and said he didn't want it to pass. tillas' office after our story ran said the conversation touched on many issues and was cordial. of course, that cordial is in the eyes of the beholder. it is possible trump cordially informed the senator on the mueller bill. >> steve, when you hear about -- you spent a lot of time focusing on russian intelligence information. and this potential other avenue about try to have a meeting or getting information, what do you make of sort of this drip drip? >> anderson, it is very, very consistent with what i've seen from russian operations over the years. if you're running an operation where you're trying to penetrate, trying to get into candidate trump's team, then what you're going to do is you're going to cast a wide net and reel it in and see what you get, whether it's a paul manafort, whether it's a flynn or this new person dearborn, you're going to evaluate each of
these individuals for motivations, vulnerabilities, are they pro-russia, interested in making money on the side, interested in bending the rules, or possibly cooperate and not know what they're doing. all would be consistent in what the russians would be interested in. the fact that we have another person who's apparently interested in having contacts or trying to arrange contacts with russians is concerning from a counterintelligence perspective, as you continue to assess data as to what are the connections exactly between trump's team and the russian government. >> obviously we don't know about the e-mail. for you what would be the important gaps that need to be filled in? >> well, if you're talking about gaps that the russians would be interested in trying to get to, to find out, it runs sort of a spectrum. you're looking for people inside whatever o you're trying to ben trait, this case possibly trump's campaign.
350e up to people doing what's called an agent of influence. bend the president's ear and say we would like you to do this, that, or the other, being under the control of the russian government. it's a wide variety of different things that they might be looking for. but the fact that we continue to see and hear about more e-mails that come up from a counterintelligence perspective is concerning. it depends on whether or not it really rises to a legal issue or not. that's something that mueller and his team and i think others are looking at. simply from a counterintelligence analysis, it's concerning. >> so interesting that, you know, at this stage, given the length of time that's passed by, from supporters who say, well, look there's still no there there, there may be smoke, but certainly no evidence of fire, no evidence of collusion. and yet new and pieces of the information are still coming out based on reporters doing hard work. obviously mueller has access to a lot more information. >> what the new information tells us at a minimum is what it looks like the russians were up to.
more evidence supporting that they were clearly trying to figure out a way into the trump campaign, and it fits with all the other reporting that's been done. but we're not sure about what it tells us about the trump campaign. what's strange about it is they even entertained it. presidential campaigns are about getting people elected as president of the united states, very little to do with foreign leaders or other countries. unless you're so far ahead that you thought you were going to win and you're now trying to plan for your government, but trump was never at that point. this was always a very tight election. the question is, why all the meetings with the russians that happened? they don't make any sense. why even entertain this, why even pass this information on? the person who passed the information on worked for jeff sessions for a long time. he's also involved in setting up other meetings. and that are suspicious because jeff sessions didn't normally meet with foreign ambassadors. there was this massive uptick in all these meetings he was doing.
there are a lot of things that raise a lot of questions about what was happening here. >> alana, the conversation with corker that the president had, do we know much about the nature of that? because obviously corker is the one who after charlottesville made some really kind of startling comments about, i don't want to paraphrase incorrectly, but raising questions about the president's stability, or his ability to think beyond himself. >> certainly. and previous to this point, it's important to remember, bob corker was considered for secretary of state. he was a close ally of the president. to answer your question, what we do know about the call is the president was frustrated about a particular portion of the russia sanctions bill that allows congress to block him from easing sanctions. now, this hasn't happened yet. now that trump has signed this bill, congress can take a vote and stop him from going easier on putin. it was this that he was frustrated about it. >> i sure appreciate it. two protesters with confederate flags are now protesting in
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i want to show you a scene in charlottesville, virginia. moments ago folks started to notice and argue with the demonstrator. city officials put up the black shroud today. another shroud around the stonewall jackson statue a few blocks away. the debate over the future of the statues continues. protesters took over monday night charlottesville city council meeting blaming council
for allowing the rally to happen. the conversation in charlottesville is how to tell the story of race in america, history in america. and how to handle the intertwining of both. today hundreds of protesters flooded the streets outside nfl headquarters in new york city. now, no team will sign colin kaepernick and football season is rapidly approaching. some questioning whether he's being blackballed. >> white balled. >> white balled. i knew -- i knew ewere going to use that term. >> it's been one year, exactly one year since people noticed what kaepernick was doing. people didn't see it in the preseason games. >> i want to play something president trump said back in march. >> and you know, your san francisco quarterback, i'm sure
nobody ever heard of him, there was an article today reported that nfl owners don't want to pick him up because they don't want to get a nasty tweet from donald trump. do you believe that? >> kaepernick's out of a job. what do you make of it? what do you think is behind it? >> well, there are eight owners with direct ties to trump. >> kraft? >> johnson. >> ambassador to -- >> but he owns the jets. he donated millions to trump's inauguration. robert kraft, new england patriots, he donated a million. dan snider. the washington football team donated a million to trump's inauguration. jackson. donated a million. l.a. rams, donated a million.
jerry jones, dallas cowboys, donated a million. ed glade -- >> you think this is fear of the president, or the fear of fan reaction? losing money? >> all these guys are friends. they're in cahoots. a lot of these guys are the leaders -- i mean, jerry jones, kraft, day, as far as the nfl goes. i just find it -- that 32 teams in the league, and he could start for half of the teams. >> quarterbacks are in high demand obviously. >> yes. and then he can't be a second string, third string quarterback? the miami dolphins got a guy in retirement. then came out a contract. jay cutler. look, no disrespect to him, but come on.
he's not better than kaepernick. in my opinion. >> so to you, is this owners getting together and saying, look, this guy's a troublemaker, we don't want to have anything to do with him? >> you go to the dictionary and look up the word collusion. you have to study history. this is not the first time this has happened to african-american athletes that have stood up. jack johnson. he was knocking out everybody else. didn't like him around the white women, boom, out. '16 olympics, mexico, john carlos, black raised fist. muhammad ali. refuses to be inducted. all these are examples where men have stood up, believed in their beliefs. the biggest thing that kills me, we all remember muhammad ali, olympics in atlanta, lighting
the torch. we all love him. ali at one time was the most hated man in america. >> i'm reading a bio of him right now. >> they leave that out. like it never happened. when he refused to be inducted, i'm not going to say the word -- >> they kept calling him cassius clay. >> now i put kaepernick with these guys. and i believe this. jack johnson, already, carlos smith, muhammad ali. history will decide they're on the right side. >> talking about history, we see this argument over monuments, and what to do with these monuments. when i was growing up, i thought the monuments were built immediately after the war. a lot of them were built to intimidate african-americans way
after that time. to those who said this is rewriting history, you're taking it down, it's important to know america's painful history and not whether it's -- some people may honor it, but just to know >> it's not taught, but here is the thing, though, anderson, and this is something that -- what gets me mad is when people use this term the founding fathers. the founding fathers owned slaves. george washington owned slaves. thomas jefferson owned slaves and we don't know how old sally henderson was either. so, okay, the founding father's cannot just negate the fact that they owned slaves. and they wrote this great document, but slaves were three fifths of a human being. not a whole person. so let's teach the history. >> do you think -- >> i mean -- >> do you think the statues should be taken down? >> to answer your question, how many statues of hitler -- >> no, they're not allowed in
germany. >> i mean up. >> no. >> and what people, i think, have -- african-americans have a reaction to the confederate battle flag, the stars and bars, the same way my jewish brothers and sisters view the swastika. it is the same exact thing. especially after charlottesville, "the new york times" printed this thing about robert e. lee, oh, we found this letter and now he wasn't for slavery. come on, now. he led the confederacy. >> the difference, obviously between a george washington and a thomas jefferson is -- and robert e. lee, robert e. lee was fighting to destroy this country, was fighting to -- >> yeah. but if you read "the new york times" they found some letter he was having reservations about -- >> i'm wondering when you heard the president of the united states in his many comments in the wake of charlottesville, you know, he said one thing on saturday about many sides,
violence on many sides. then monday he gave a teleprompter speech, you know, talking against kkk and neo nazis, white supremacists. and then the next day on this kind of rambling, impromptu off-the-cuff said, again, at the torch-lit vigil of hundreds of neo-nazis chanting "jews will not replace us and other awful things, he said there were fine people there. >> in my opinion, i think that when he's not reading a teleprompter, he reveals his true self. >> that's who he really is. >> i think so. he's here. i remember taking a full page ad in "the new york times" offering a $1 million reward for the lady who got raped in central park. and he never apologized. >> central park five. >> yes. they were found innocent. >> right. yeah. and right he put out a huge ad calling for their death penalty. >> full page ad in "the new york
times." another thing, i love cinema, and one of my favorite films is "on the waterfront," directed by kazan, schulberg and there's a direct correlation between the hero, karen mahorn played by marlon brando and kaepernick in this film. brando makes a decision, he says i need my rights and he goes down to the dock. i want to work. the hiring boss gives out these tabs and if you get a tab you go work. and johnny friendly the mob boss says you're never going to work any dock, you're never going to work again. he stands in line. the hiring boss gives everybody a tab. >> except for brandon. >> except for marlon brandon.
they go to some drunk, poor drunk out of the mob. >> give him one. >> and then brando is left there standing there. that is kaepernick. >> because he spoke out. that's kaepernick, you're saying. >> yes. and in the last scene everybody goes -- not the last scene. they go past -- the dock workers go past brando, and they stand there. and then after he gets beat up they said they're not working until terry works. so my question is are nfl players, what are they going to do? >> we saw some players just talking about sports, was it from cleveland who -- yeah, from cleveland. >> right. >> in a circle, kneeling in a circle. >> you hope more players stand with kaepernick. >> i hope so. the league is 70% african-american. now, we can't get into this thinking like all african-americans are monolithic, we all think alike. and kaepernick has told me he's told younger players, look,
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like cnn. cnn does not want its falling viewership to watch what i'm saying tonight, i can tell you. we've also obtained historic increase in defense spending to prevent and deter conflict. we believe in peace through strength. we're building up our military like never before. and just so you know from the secret service, there aren't too many people outside protesting. then i said racism is evil. did they report that i said that racism is evil? you know why? because they are very dishonest people. so i said racism is evil. now, they only choose, you know, like a half a sentence here or there and then they go on these long rampage or they put on these real lightweights all around the table that nobody has heard of and they all say what a bad guy i am.