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hello i'm ana cabrera in for kate bolduan. let's get to the new taunts between president trump and the leader of north korea. escalating to new heights this morning. the rhetorical brinksmanship leading to regime and threatening its most provocative nuclear test yet, setting off a hydrogen bomb over the pacific ocean. this morning president trump hurled more insults on twitter saying the north korean leader is, quote, a madman who doesn't
mind starving or killing his people and he will be tested like never before. that comes hours after kim jong-un himself delivered a rare televised statement in which he directly responded to president trump's speech this week at the united nations general assembly and kim called president trump, quote, a frightened dog who barks louder says saying he will face results beyond his expectation and i will tame the mentally deranged u.s. dotard with fire. we have reaction from ben wedeman in tokyo. first let's get to cnn global affairs correspondent elise labott in new york. you've been covering the u.n. general assembly here and we're hearing from secretary of state rex tillerson this morning. >> that's right. while he was talking about the nuclear options the military options that really do exist. there is all this taunting, as you said, about between president trump and kim jong-un and a lot is rhetoric, but i think that president trump and certainly secretary tillerson wants the north korean regime to
know if they even think about any kind of nuclear test, or any kind of hydrogen bomb over the pacific, as kim jong-un had said, there will be real sorry situation for kim jong-un. take a listen to secretary tillerson. >> if they drop an h bomb in the pacific, if they somehow attached nuclear capability to one of these missiles, will the u.s. have to act? >> that will be the president's decision, david. there will be assembled and there is assembled on a standing basis a national security council that meets to advise the president and it will be his decision. >> what he's really trying to say to kim jong-un is, despite all of this taunting and rhetoric back and forth, this would be suicidal for the regime, ana. >> they want to keep him on his heels. meantime step back for a second. the fact that kim yong un himself made this statement on camera going directly after the president, personally, have you ever seen anything like it before? >> this is really unprecedented.
i mean usually these statements are never in kim jong-un's name or with a picture of him with these statements and i think it shows that president trump is certainly getting in his head. this is not the usual rhetoric fact and forth between north korea and the united states. this is very personal and, you know, president trump i think kim jong-un has really met his match in terms of brinksmanship. the question is, what kind of taunts, what kind of threats from president trump would set kim off? you know, here in the united states, there's certainly much more of a responsible military assessment before they use military action, but with such an unstable leader, no one really knows what it would take to set kim jong-un off. yes, the u.s. does have military options, but, you know, all military commanders and officials have said, none of them are good ones and, you know, the military action would really be unthinkable. so, you know, certainly everyone is trying to push this towards a diplomatic solution, but that's
getting harder and harder with this rhetoric. >> we were talking about millions of people who would lose their lives should it escalate to a military confrontation. we have iran thumbing its nose at president trump, showing off its own military might with this new long-range ballistic missile that it paraded out there in tehran. tell us more about this? >> well, it's this new long-range ballistic missile that could have 2,000 kilometer range, the biggest ever, and that's what this administration is trying to talk about. when there's all this talk about the nuclear deal and whether the u.n. would stay in or stay out, the administration has kind of like, you know, been a little bit more clearer about what they are thinking in the last few days saying listen, we want to have a comprehensive approach to iran. it's not just about the nuclear deal. you know, they say that nuclear deal was meant to really improve iran's behavior. that's not really true. this was a limited nuclear deal about iran's nuclear activity, however they're saying that you need to look at iran's missile
program, at iran's sponsorship of terrorism and all the human rights violations. the problem is, that the u.s. signed on to this deal, its partners are saying, and even the united states admits that iran is complying with the nuclear deal. i think now what you see is the administration saying, well, we may not certify the deal, but that doesn't mean that we're going to pull out altogether. maybe we'll just focus on these other aspects and destabilization. >> trying to add on to the deal. >> the one problem very quickly is that when you relate this to north korea, what incentive does north korea have to sign an agreement to curb its nuclear ambitions when it sees iran do the same thing and the u.s. moving the goal posts. so when the u.s. makes a deal with another country it really threatens the credibility of the international order and the united states if they're threatening to move the goal posts and walk out of the deal now. i don't see where the incentive is for north korea to have a diplomatic solution when they
look at what's happening with iran right now. >> where do we go from here. elise labott thank you for the insight and your expertise. back to the unfolding crisis with north korea i want to turn to cnn's senior international correspondent ben wedeman live in tokyo for us. what are you hearing from u.s. allies in the region about this latest threat, specific threat, of a nuclear test over the pacific? >> well, certainly here in japan, officials are very worried about this statement, this threat of the possibility of blowing a hydrogen bomb above the pacific. keep in mind that north korea over the past month has fired two ballistic missiles over japanese territory, and, of course, japan has a very unhappy history when it comes to nuclear weapons and they're concerned, we heard, for instance, from the japanese defense minister today, who said that they are worried that in addition to having missiles flying over, now they could face the possibility of a
nuclear tipped missile being fired over japanese territory and they're worried that this would severely destabilize not only the region, but the world in general, if korean officials, north korean officials, actually go ahead with this very disturbing threat. ana? >> all right. ben wedeman for us in tokyo, thank you very much. i want to discuss all of this now with gary, the former top nuclear adviser for president obama. and a former cia north korea analyst. gary, when north korea's foreign minister says a response, quote, could probably mean the strongest hydrogen bomb test over the pacific ocean, what exactly would that look like? >> well, in theory, north korea could fire a test missile armed with a nuclear warhead into the pacific and detonate it over the ocean. i frankly think that's not very
likely, although kim jong-un is always capable of miscalculating. i think much more likely is that north korea will test an icbm, a long-range missile n a normal trajectory to show its full range but without a nuclear warhead on it. i think that's likely to be the next shoe that drops in the test campaign. >> does it surprise you they were so specific? >> well, it wasn't very specific actually, if you looked at the statement, it was a bit ambiguous. but in any event it's a threat and, you know, clearly the north koreans are taking advantage of president trump's intemperate speech at the u.s. to justify the next steps they probably planned to take anyway. and i think the challenge for president trump is to avoid saying things that causes him to be seen as part of the problem. many governments are alarmed by the escalation and rhetoric and i think it would be in the interest of the united states
for president trump to appear to be reasonable and very responsible and let the north koreans engage in wild rhetoric and personal insults. unfortunately, where i think the president is in danger of creating a situation where he's seen as being at the same level of kim jong-un in terms of irresponsible words. >> sumi, if this has reached a level which they're talking about specifically detonating a hydrogen bomb over the pacific ocean, this war of words continues to escalate, but the threats themselves continue to escalate as well. where does it put us in terms of this crisis? >> not a good place. but i do agree with what gary just said. they hinted at it, but it doesn't mean they're actually going to do this. a lot of things the north koreans can do and i do agree probably intercontinental ballistic test is next step. but or even a [ inaudible ] a
lot of other things the north koreans can do. but i do think, you know, when i saw mr. trump's speech at the u.n., i knew that this was going to be very counter productive. north koreans have to act and react and i've been following north korea for many years and i have never seen a statement like this. this is very personal statement first person, kim jong-un, he -- this is very personal. he has to act domestically, too, to show to the elites and his populists he's not caving to u.s. pressure. >> i hear you both say skepticism is the key word in hearing the threat from north korea, however, gary, if north korea were to go there, what do you think the next step should be by the u.s.? >> well, we would certainly go back to the u.n. security council and i think get international support for even stronger sanctions. frankly, the kim jong-un has been doing a favor for us. his testing campaign in the last
couple years has allowed us to enlist chinese and russian support since 2016, to put sanctions on north korea's economy. of course that hasn't produced the desired result of deterring further testing, but there's still a lot more sanctions that can be applied if china was willing and i think if north korea carried out an atmospheric nuclear test the chinese would join us in supporting even stronger economic sanctions. >> do the sanctions that were announced yesterday by the u.s. administration make a difference? >> well, they'll make a difference in the sense that they will cause additional damage to north korea's economy. i don't think the sanctions by themselves are likely to force kim jong-un to capitulate. the purpose of sanctions, of course, is to create bargaining leverage, if we ever get back to the bargaining table. so we can trade sanctions relief for constraints on north korea's nuclear missile program.
at this point the idea of having a negotiation with north korea doesn't seem to be very plausible. i mean, neither pyongyang or washington are in the mood to sit down and talk. i think we will go through a series of tests an sanctions for some period of time before even the possibility of having a real negotiation opens up. >> since this administration has said it's trying something new or a different approach in terms of dealing with the leader of north korea, tougher talk, because in the past, what has happened, hasn't worked. how do you perceive the impact of this strategy, the president has pursued, tougher talk, for example, in terms of the outcome that we're seeing right now? >> well, i think tougher sanctions are -- is helpful. i don't think tougher talk in the kind of rhetoric coming out of the trump administration is not helpful. it's actually undermining what trump is trying to do, trying to
get international support, because you don't want to be like kim jong-un. you have to elevate yourself. you're the president of the united states. >> you don't want to fight fire with fire. kim jong-un's statement yesterday is interesting. he's acting like mat tour person, talking down, saying mr. trump is not fit to be the leader of a country. so i do think what trump is trying to do in terms of pressure -- >> called him deranged. i don't know if -- >> trump going after secondary boycott against chinese entities and third party entities. all is good. i wish he would tone down the rhetoric. that's not helpful. >> sue mi and gary, thank you both. a shocking development in the search for survivors in mexico following the deadly earthquake. the nemexican navy is apologizi for reports a young girl was trapped and still alive in the wreckage of an elementary school. the fight over obamacare heating up. president trump issuing a new warning to his fellow
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at this hour hurricane maria is still churning through the caribbean. right now this massive storm is lashing the turks and caicos islands with winds more than 120 miles per hour and then threatens the bahamas. the death toll is still rising in maria's wake. on the island of dominica 15 can confirmed dead and dozens still missing. cnn among one of the few news agencies to reach dominica where the basic supplies are running out. check out some images we have now of the flooding in the dominican republic. that nation was only dealt a glancing blow from the storm and in puerto rico the governor says at least 13 people have died there. he also cautions vast areas of this island are still cut off from communications and are completely inaccessible. the death toll may very well
climb as thousands of national guard and army reserve troops now make their way through the flooded and the blocked streets. puerto rico's 3.4 million people are without power. some may have to wait for months before it is restored. let's begin our coverage of hurricane maria in the capital of puerto rico, and cnn's leyla santiago joins us from san juan. >> right now, government officials are actually trying to figure out what is basically a logistical nightmare, how they are going to allocate all of the resources that they expect to come into the san juan airport from fema, from other states, new york, bringing in generators, water, food, anything to provide some sort of relief for the most vulnerable right now that they can't get to because of flooding or debris like that is seen all over the
island blocking roads. even the government here admitting that they have not been able to reach certain parts of the island. not just by road, but also by land. there's a lot of questions as far as damage assessment goes, but we did talk to the mayor of san juan and she actually was telling us she received a text message that was very touching to her, she received it from a home of elderly. i want you to hear how she described it. >> we are stuck here. we can't get out. we have no power and we have very little water left. we got there just in time. the fema workers that came from new york and from houston, joined us there. it was a very touching moment. if i can save one life, that would be good enough, but i have too many to save.
>> very emotional for government owe fish. the mayor of the capital and the people here, ana. i cannot stress this enough. when we talk to people on the streets, they have a series of questions. one, do you have power, where do they have power. this entire island doesn't have power. two, do you have water. and then three, do you have a signal. can you reach your family? so many people on this island have yet to reach their families to just find out if they're okay. >> wow. leyla santiago thank you for the update. you point to the communications difficulties and we know even the supreme court justice sonya sotomayor has family she can't reach. it has wide ranging tentacles stuc touching so many on the mainland. an update from the national hurricane center on the path of
maria and what's next. i want to go to our cnn meteorologist chad myers. any potential still to the u.s. mainland? >> you know, 12 hours ago we said no. after this update, it's still a maybe. and an honestly probably, 2 to 5% chance of that happening. weather people use percentages whether it's rain or sunshine or whatever it might be. what we know right now is that the storm is still 125 miles per hour. and that it is not losing strength. hurricane hunters flying back and forth seeing the storm as still a strong storm. finally now, though, we have enough clearing in san juan, that we're going to send a helicopter to st. croix to get some pictures and some really some feeling for what's going on there. because it's almost been a total blackout there. the east side of the island not as bad but finally now things clearing out because the storm is moving away we can move around as crews and not be in danger of being hit by flying
debris with an 80-mile-per-hour wind gust. here is the slight shift to the left that the hurricane center just talked about on their discussion and it's because the european model has a -- just a slight shift to the left but then back out to the right. now, obviously we're already up here, five days ahead, we can't talk about seven to eight, nine, ten because there is no such thing as that forecast. in fact, as we know, day three forecast is rarely 100% anyway. probably 200 miles apart one way or the other. look at garcia and puerto rico, they picked up a yard, three feet of rain in 24 hours, ana. not a place in america that won't flood with that kind of rainfall that quickly. and they're still dealing with the flash floods there. >> and it harkens back to hurricane harvey and that kind of rainfall, we saw with what that meant in the streets in texas. we don't have all the images of that in puerto rico, but we can imagine what that's looking like and the situation there.
thanks for the update. to mexico now because another tragedy is unfolding and unfortunately time is quickly running out for rescuers to find survivors in the rubble and the collapsed buildings after tuesday's huge earthquake there. rain has now slowed the efforts and the death toll has gone up yet again. now at 286 people killed from this earthquake. let's go live to cnn's miguel marquez in mexico city. for days we've been talking about these rescue efforts to try to reach a trapped schoolgirl and today there's been an odd update. tell us about it. >> yeah. it's a little hard to see. i think there's a lot of egg on official faces. the deputy marine, the deputy of the navy department here who was running the operation there, who yesterday said this little girl never existed, i never said anything my people never said anything, has backtracked to where the government is saying
look, we don't know who's under there. it could be a little girl or an adult. we' we were not sure. in a statement saying i was basing the information we gave out earlier on the little girl on the best information we had given what they were finding in that collapsed school and what they were seeing on the various means that they were using to test whether there was somebody down there. apologized for basically saying that there was no little girl in there. i will say that it has caused a lot of heart ache among families in that neighborhood that so much hope was there, that others would be found alive, and to find out that, in fact, no one else or no little girls were alive in that building, there's a lot of frustration among many mexicans that this information was given out and then retracted and now kind of falls in the middle saying we don't know who's down there, an adult or little girl. >> are they still trying to rescue someone from that school wreckage and tell us also about the other rescues and efforts
that you're seeing taking place there? >> they are still trying to get into that school and still trying to figure out if there's somebody alive down there, but i will tell you, having spent 24 hours there when we left last fight, and all reports this morning are the level of urgency there has gone down dramatically. we're in a really beautiful neighborhood in central mexico and i want to show you this building, a multiuse building of both apartments and offices. you can see for the first time in a while we can see rescuers that are starting to go in to the building from the building next to it partially collapsed. in that partially collapsed building, like it's any other day, you can see the jackets and purses and sort of everything looks neat and tidy next to the front door of that building, but the entire building next to it is collapsed. two things here are important. one, they believe that there may be people trapped on the backside of the building near
the emergency exits. they're not sure how many. they believe there may be dozens of people in this building dead or alive but they did get some heat signatures on the back side of the building. because they've had heavy rains the last couple days the water has weighed down the building and it's very difficult for them to get there. there was a complete work stoppage. they said that building was in imminent danger of collapse. all workers were called off. we've just seen a few appear on the top. they looked around, and now appears that they're trying to get around to the backside of the building to see if they can access it some other way. it is hoped that there are cavities in that building where people are still alive. ana? >> we keep looking at these images. i keep thinking i would love to see as we all would somebody emerge be pulled from that wreckage and be okay. miguel marquez, thank you for that update for the hard work in mexico city. coming up for us here in cnn's "at this hour" the battle over the republicans's last ditch
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time is running out on the republican's most recent attempt to repeal and replace obamacare. if they're going to do it with a simple majority. the hard deadline is september 30th. president trump has stepped up his threats on twitter for those in his own party who won't get in line. rand paul or whoever votes against the health care bill will forever future campaigns known to be as the republican that saves obamacare. it's no surprise, of course, democrats and republicans don't see eye to eye on this bill but here is what's remarkable. there is a growing list of
insurance companies, doctors, patient advocacy groups, that all appear united in opposition to the bill. let's discuss with matt, the chief operating officer and head of public policy at america's health insurance plans a lobbying group for the nation's largest health insurance companies. thank you for being with us. you represent the nation's health insurance companies, your groups what come your group has come out against the graham/cassidy legislation and lobbied against obamacare. do you believe the new proposal is worse than the status quo what we have under obamacare? >> thanks for having me here, ana. there are some problems with the existing structure of the market, but what is being proposed to graham/cassidy bill, really would take things to a fundamentally different level that would be much more destabilizing, individuals with preexisting conditions would not be able to get coverage in some cases or it would be unaffordable, medicaid would be
cut significantly and states strapped. we see big problems with the proposal as it's throughout. >> under the proposal as you mentioned states would have the option to let insurance companies charge more for people with preexisting conditions and also has brought back the possibility of lifetime caps on coverage. isn't that something that would benefit insurance companies? >> ana, that's really something that the insurance industry is not interested in seeing returned. you know, that was the way that market might have worked before the affordable care act, but health insurers want to make sure coverage works for the consumers they're serving and that includes maintaining the limits or the lifetime caps, getting rid of those, making sure that people with preexisting conditions get coverage. really want to make sure that consumers have access to the health care they need. >> so president trump has, of course, been pushing this bill. have you yourself or anybody on your team spoken to this president or the administration about your concerns? >> we've shared information with
the administration about our concerns. i think we've been pretty consistent all along about wanting to make sure that the market is stable, that medicaid has adequate funding, that taxes and fees that decrease affordability should be eliminated, and making sure that if there is a change, that it needs to happen in a very stable way, transition cannot be forced in a very short period of time or we're going to create more disruption and more challenges than we've seen in the existing market. >> on the other side of the aisle a growing push for a single payer system. does that sound more appealing to you? >> absolutely not. so we think there are equally difficult problems with trying to think about a single payer. we think a market that works based on choice and competition, where consumers are looking for plans that work for them rather than having a one size fits all approach we think that the single payer approach won't work either. so we really want to focus on fixing the market today and we have some really clear ideas about how that could happen. >> what are those ideas?
>> sure. so we need to fund the so-called cost sharing payments for low-income consumers to help them afford their care. we think adding a component to reduce premiums through a so-called reinsurance program well, could reduce premium business 15 to 20% -- by 15 to 20% if we put some of these ideas so even propmore people ce covered. >> i'm sure it's not the last of this discussion. thank you for being with us and hope to talk to you down the road? a programming note, a big one, monday on cnn, republican senators lindsey graham and bill cassidy will debate their health care bill live against senators bernie sanders and amy klobuchar. jake tapper and dana bash will moderate the fight over obamacare on cnn. coming up for us, president trump now blasting the investigation into pro-trump facebook ads bought by russians during the election. he is reupping his false claim that it's all one big hoax. details ahead.
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>> we shall not -- we shall not -- >> we're going to keep an eye on the protests. this is james comey speaking live right now. let's listen. >> i've made a strong argument that college was part of the real world. and i mocked people who said otherwise. >> we will keep an eye on this and monitor this and bring you any noteworthy, news worthy things he says, as this event unfolds. new this morning, also president trump blasting the scrutiny of how ads on facebook sold to russian linked buyers during the 2016 election and he tweeted this, the russia hoax continues.
now it's ads on facebook. what about the totally biased and dishonest media coverage in favor of crooked hillary as facebook says it will turn over the content of more than 3,000 russian linked ads to congress. they've already shared them with special counsel robert mueller who is in charge, of course, of the russia investigation. joining us to discuss this, dylan buyers, cnn senior reporter for media and politics and also with us chris aliz za, politics reporter and editor at large. what is facebook handing over to congress? >> finally, two weeks after first briefing congress on these ads, they're handing over the full scope of what they know so that includes the ads themselves which are important to have, as well as the detailed records about who bought those ads which accounts bought those ads and how those ads were targeted. this is something that facebook initially did not want to hand over to congress. it handed it over to special counsel mueller under a search warrant. it did not want to hand it over
to congress on account of what it cited as privacy concerns and once it felt it handed the ads to congress facebook was going to face a backlash in the court of public opinion. congress will use these ads to grandstand against the company. many of the ads will probably leak within a matter of days. and so look, facebook's heading into sort of uncomfortable territory here, but i think it came to the conclusion over the last two weeks, given the level of public scrutiny, it really didn't have a choice. if it wanted to be seen as being on the right side of history it needed to cooperate with congress. >> chris, i saw you shaking your head about the pressure facebook was probably feeling? >> yeah. and two things. one, dylan is right, the second these ads arrive in congress the next second some of them will be forwarded to reporters. so that reporters can see them. yeah, i mean i think facebook thought they could simply say well, we're just a conduit here.
we didn't -- these are automated ads. we didn't have anything to do with it. the problem is we're talking about a foreign entity meddling actively in american presidential election using their technology and so they don't really get to get a pass. donald trump in his twitter feed tries to give them a pass. now they're talking about facebook. this is not a hoax. you can believe if you like donald trump colluded or didn't collude, people in his campaign colluded or didn't collude, we don't have evidence of collusion, but no one can deny that russians sought to interfere in this election using facebook and lots of other means. the fbi, the cia, the nsa, the former director of national intelligence, james clapper, they all said this. to believe that's wrong you have to believe they're all involved in an elaborate conspiracy to get donald trump which seems a little far fetched to me. >> goes back to undermining the
intelligence agency which has been a consistent theme. >> yeah. >> dylan now that congress is going get them how soon might the american people actually see these ads? >> well, i think it will be a matter of days and the reason is, as we know from our own reporting, facebook is going to hand over those ads in a matter of days. not like we're talking about weeks or months down the line. as chris and said as right, we know how congress works, right. we know how washington works. the place leaks like a seve. obviously, it's almost impossible to imagine the ads don't get out there. why does the public need to see the ads or want to see these ads? if you, you know, we're concerned voter at any time between 2015 and november 8th, 2016, when many of these ads were placed you want to know if you saw something that might have influenced your feelings about this election ta was coming from, you know, a foreign actor who has links to the
kremlin. and so look, i think there will be a lot of concern about this. i think it's going to keep facebook sort of in the headlines for longer than it would like to be in the headlines. i think facebook is girding for a long winter in washington. right now conversations about regulation. >> right. >> public hearings and then, of course, public scrutiny. >> given the president has tweeted the russia hoax continues now with ads on facebook, chris, does that signal that the white house might not support regulations on facebook and other social media sites? >> i mean, i think it signals that donald trump had that thought at 6:44 a.m. on, you know, on a friday in september. could it, sure. but i don't know that we -- i think we should be careful to assume that there's a huge amount of strategy behind what donald trump tweets at any given moment. i think there's a broad strategy which is to sort of reaffirm his
outsider brand, but a fair amount of his tweeting, particularly in the early morning, is watching cable television, and reacting in one way, shape, or form to it. i'm not sure he has a detailed policy set to go in the wake of facebook handing over these ads and the acknowledgement that these 3,000 ads were paid for by a russian troll farm. i think he just saw something, reacted to it, and then as we've seen on a million other policies, the people underneath him will try to put some policy potentially in place around this but they also might not. they might say that's just him talking. we'll see if he keeps it up in meetings or twitter and we'll act. >> maybe he's watching this segment and be moved to respond and clarify where his head is at or thinking. chris and dylan, thank you both. a reminder a special report tonight "the deep dive" into the president's use of his social media platform. watch it tonight at 9:00 eastern only on cnn. stay with us.
>> the new cnn legion of brothers told the story that went into afghanistan immediately after 9/11. they fought with the northern o lines to drive the taliban and al qaeda out of power with minimal coalition casualties. despite success, the u.s. became mired in a lengthy war that carries on today. watch this clip from the film. >> you had the weight of the nation on your shoulders.
we were america's response to the most catastrophic terrorist attack on u.s. soil. for a lot of us, we felt that we had a responsibility to the people that died to set the stage that you just don't do that to america. and not pay the price. it was about not retribution, but justice. >> what's that saying? about who will go send me? sir? >> who shall go and who shall i send? send me. send me. i'm the duty that wants to make somebody pay for killing my brothers and sisters. >> joining us now is the director of region of brothers. it takes a special person to face the danger to embrace the
mission these men went on. what strikes you? >> that's a great question. what strikes me sometimes is how ordinary they are. there is a lot of glib talk about war sometimes. the ro mant sization of it. these people understand war the way few of us do. they are incredibly smart and dedicated and we explore the human cost of war, both the heroism and the horror of it from the perspective of their families which i think is quite unique in the way they talk in this film. >> you give us a look at the first casualties, the result of a friendly fire incident. tell us about that. >> that's right. everyone expected the war, these are small groups of green berets inserted in the dead of night after 9/11. they expected to be on the
ground for months and incur heavy casualties. it happened quicker than everyone imagined. they unpack the drama around a special forces team around hamid karzai as he was about to be named the leader of the new afghanistan and a tragic friendly fire incident ha is complicated and controversial where a command unit came in and took over from the team that had been on the ground for weeks. they started calling in air strikes on the day they were about to surrender. they had the authority to do that and the guys on the team were very upset about it. we unpacked that in the film and it's traumatic. >> hard to believe it has been so many years and yet the war wages on. what do the men think or what's your sense of the thoughts about
what's happening in afghanistan today? >> i first met these guys in 2002. i was lucky enough to be invited into fort campbell where they are based after they come back from afghanistan. their story struck me as iconic about the nature of war and all of the complexity. they have been through multiple deployments in iraq and afghanistan and elsewhere. when we think about now the longest war in american history, that war is and the population. you wanted to humanize that. they wanted to believe in that in addition. where we are today. there is a different impact when you have small teams of special forces on the ground versus what they might call the big army.
nobody imagined back then we would be involved so many nears later. they believe in the mission and it's different than they used to be. the way they are fighting is different. this is the reason i made this film. for us to get me on the hype around war and really look at what the cost is to these individuals and their families. >> great and thank you for sharing that and we look forward to seeing the film and getting a greater sense of the mission. it's legion of brothers that premiers right here on cnn. breaking news on the president's travel ban. the white house will unveil a replacement with new restrictions. we will have the details straight ahead. try alka-seltzer heartburn relief gummies. they don't taste chalky and work fast. mmmm. incredible. can i try? she doesn't have heartburn. alka-seltzer heartburn relief gummies. enjoy the relief.
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