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in a severe wrap, like, i won't be able to see him. i need to see him, so i will know that that is my husband. i don't know nothing. they won't show me a finger, a hand. i know my husband's body from head to toe. and they won't let me see anything. i don't know what's in that box. it could be anything for all i know. but i need to see my husband. >> and myesha johnson is now demanding answers about the circumstances around the ambush that killed her husband and three of his fellow soldiers and she's also this morning confirming the sadly much discussed and disputed and debated call which the president of the united states. listen here. >> and he goes on to say in his statement as, what he said was -- >> the president? >> yes, the president said that he knew what he signed up for but it hurts anyways. and i was -- it made me cry
because i was very angry at the tone of his voice and how he said it. he couldn't remember my husband's name. the only way he remembered my husband's name, because he told me, he had my husband's report in front of him. and that's when he actually said, la david. i heard minimum stumbling on trying to remember my husband's name. and that et what hurts me the most. because if my husband is out here fighting for our country and he risked his life for our country, why can't you remember his name? and that is what made me upset and cried even more, because my husband was an awesome soldier. >> what did you say to the president? >> i didn't -- i didn't say anything. i just listened. >> but you were upset when you got off the phone? >> oh, very. very upset and hurt. very. it made me cry even worse. >> miss johnson also stands by congresswoman frederica wilson who was in the car with her at the time who got caught up in a
very public name-calling spat with the president and his chief of staff over all of this. the president not letting miss johnson have the last word, though. right after that interview aired he tweeted this. i had a very respectful conversation with the widow of sergeant la david johnson and spoke his name from beginning without hesitation. all right. brian brown is following the investigative side of this, kaitlan collins at the white house. kaitlan, first to you, i honestly can't believe this enters another week. what is the white house saying today. >> we're on day eight of this and the president is completely disputing what the widow said during that interview this morning where she described the phone call between the two of them as hurtful and said that president struggled to remember her husband's name. so now that's the second person where the president is disputing their account of the call. the other, of course, being that democratic congresswoman frederica wilson, from florida, who is a close family friend of the johnson's. the president said she fabricated when she described the contents of the call and
that he did not say what she said he said. but this morning, myesha johnson stood by congresswoman wilson's account of the call. listen to what she had to say, kate. >> whatever miss wilson said was not fabricated. what she said was 100% correct. it was master sergeant neil, me, my aunt, my uncle, and the driver, and miss wilson in a car. the phone was on speaker phone. why would we fabricate something like that? >> is there anything you would like to say to the president now? >> no. i don't -- no. i don't have nothing to say to him. >> kate, the white house says there is no recording and no transcript of the call, so it's essentially the widow's word versus the president.
myesha johnson said she doesn't have anything left to say to the president and we're told right now, be kate, there are no plans for the administration to reach out to the johnson family again at this time. >> all right. kaitlan, thank you so much. let's turn to the investigation, though. and what exactly happened in the ambush and what exactly the pentagon still does not know. ryan browne is at the pentagon with much more. you heard myesha johnson. she wants answers. what are you hearing right now? >> the pentagon is trying to find out exactly what happened in niger during this ambush and the u.s. africa command is overseeing an investigation to try to determine how these u.s. soldiers came under attack, how sergeant johnson was separated from the rest of his unit and how his body was unable to be recovered for nearly 48 hours. now these are all things that they're looking at. of course they already said that there was a bit of an intelligence failure which they didn't expect this attack to happen, and, of course, there's even broader questions coming from congress with senior senators, including senator lindsey graham and minority leader senator chuck schumer
saying they were not aware of the size and scale of the u.s. military presence in that west african country. let's listen. >> i can say this to the families, they were there to defend america, they were there to help allies. i didn't know there was 1,000 troops in niger. john mccain is right to tell the military, because this is an endless war without boundaries, no limitation on the time of geography, you have to tell us more. >> you heard senator graham he didn't know we had 1,000 troops in niger, did you ? >> no, i did not. >> the pentagon maintains they conduct regular briefings on u.s. operations in the region to congress and that president trump in june sent letter to leaders in congress saying there were about 1,000 u.s. troops in niger and neighboring cameroon performing training and advising missions and constructing a drone base there. members of congress want to know more and asked for additional briefings and hearings on the u.s. military presence there and specifically on what went wrong
during this mission which left four u.s. soldiers dead. kate? >> yeah. all right. let's see what the next hours and days bring. ryan, thank you so much. bring in two members of congress, both members of key house committees on this issue and both iraq war veterans, republican congressman lee zellen sits on the foreaffairs democratic congressman ruben guyygo. thank you so much for being here. i appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. >> lot to discuss. congressman, first to you, miss johnson, the sergeant's widow, she said she still doesn't know anything about how her husband died. are you satisfied with what you have heard from the pentagon so far in terms of actually what happened? >> absolutely not. we don't know exactly what happened, both to sergeant johnson. we have no clue what the conditions were. i would also like to know the usual things that usually go into these types of missions, where was the close air combat support, who were the allied forces, what was the mission, were they truly on an assist and train mission or part of the 100 killer teams.
there's a lot of things we have a right to know about and the fact that it is what happened to the sergeant. how did they lose his body and lost it for 48 hours. that violates all protocol. when we went into combat no matter where i was in iraq we had a head count when we got off the helicopter and when we got on the helicopter, whatever vehicle we got on or off and the fact that a u.s. american soldier went missing tells us that a lot of things went wrong and we need to fix it. other american military personnel will never feel safe if they don't think that we're ready to back them up. that's a very dangerous thing to our national security apparatus if soldiers feel like they're not going to be found or going to be left behind. >> congressman zeldin, you heard lindsey graham and chuck schumer saying the same. john mccain, very frustrated last week not getting enough information. lindsey graham, very frustrated. did you know there were 1,000 u.s. military person until niger? >> i knew we had about several
hundred. we're off pratsing in countries all over africa. i don't know the exact troop level. >> the fact that they're frustrated, though, says what? are you frustrated as well? >> when i was -- i want answers. most importantly for the families. it's very difficult, if not impossible, to have closure without nothing exactly how your loved one was killed. in the -- i was on active duty still in the army reserves while i was on active duty i was in the ar-15-6 investigations. every time we have a service member who is seriously injured or killed in combat, there's an investigation that takes place. at the end of the investigation you're able to present that information to the families. it's hopeful to the -- helpful to the families. sometimes that information has redacted information so it's important we're providing as much accurate information as quickly as possible. i don't want to -- i wouldn't want to see them cut corners to provide inaccurate info, without cutting corners and redact as little as possible for the family's purposes.
>> do you think things have been slow so far, congressman? >> i would like to know exactly where the pentagon is in that investigation. >> okay. >> the best source for congress to get information as to what happened is directly from the pentagon. >> that's right. >> so getting that update is going to be a status update. i wouldn't expect investigation to be complete but they have to provide some information. it's important for lessons learned -- >> absolutely. and i will say, and lessons learned i don't know if lessons have been learned on this aspect of this conversation i want to ask you both about it, congressman zeldin the sergeant's widow, myesha johnson, you heard what she said to abc news, she was very hurt by what the president said to her on that phone call and then this morning the president responded on twitter disputing what she said. disputing her account essentially. i mean, do you see him continuing this as helping in any way? >> i wish i was able to listen to and i'm sure you would as well, listen to the converation
itself. we are debating what happened on this call. myesha also mentioned that -- >> here's the thing. i am not debating. go ahead congressman. go ahead. >> there should be no debate. this widow got a phone call, whether the phone call went well or to the, is irrelevant. these phone calls are tough. i've' made these phone calls. they're not the first casualty calls like general kelly has had to make but i've had to make these phone calls talking to a loved one and if something went wrong all the president had to say i'm sorry, the chief of staff kelly say, i'm sorry. these things happen. there was no ill intent. the president made it about himself. instead the president turned around and started attacking a congresswoman who was doing her job, being with her constituent and turned this into a whole side show because the president cannot help himself, he did not have any empathy for this widow. all he had to do was shut up and actually be a leader. and should apologize. there is no good way to make
these phone calls. we've had to make these phone calls and understand that. the president is not acting presidential. all he cares about is himself and his small ego. instead of actually accepting the fact that this happened and that he spoke -- spoke in a manner that maybe was not befitting of the situation, he decided just to double down and make this situation even worse. that's not how a president acts. there is no right way to talk to a widow once they die, it's how you act afterwards and the president and chief of staff kelly have acted wholly inappropriate in this situation. >> do you agree? were they inappropriate in the situation? >> so with all due respect to my colleague who i do have a lot of respect for, you know, he wasn't on the call as well. you know, and miss wilson. >> that's irrelevant whether -- >> she's getting criticized. >> listen -- okay. >> it's irrelevant, have empathy for a widow. it's the action afterwards. >> congressman, go ahead congressman. >> so you know, miss wilson is,
you know -- she's not necessarily someone who has high roaded anything about her relationship with the president. you have two personalities here who have attacked each other and that is a side show. what -- >> 100%. look, i agree that a lot of this has become a side show. talk about just today, should the widow have the last word? >> yes. >> but the last word, though, also included myesha saying that the president said his name, but it was her perception that the president needed to look at a report that was in front of him in order to know his name. i wasn't on the call. >> but it hurt her feelings. so what? >> that's most important. if -- >> it hurt her feelings so what if it's right or wrong or slightly off or not. shouldn't she have the last word? >> sure. >> i'm fine with that. >> okay. >> and what's most important you a gold star family who you want to console, you know the president gets criticized if he doesn't make the call, the
president gets criticized if he does make the call. does make the call you happen to have someone in the car who goes to press. this person is someone -- this member of congress is someone who has said that the president has a brain disorder, he's crazy, that he's cold hearted, they -- you know he's a racist, calling for the president's impeachment, the list goes on before this started. >> i would say i don't think there are a lot of clean hands in where this has gone, extent the one person with clean hands is the widow. that's where i want to stay today. >> yeah. the widow -- sergeant johnson's widow decided who to be on the phone call and who's not. that's her prerogative. to make a weird assumption kelly made she violated a sacred trust being on the phone call that was a distraction. the way to end this is just end it. the president can stop arguing back with the widow. it occurred, it's over. these phone calls are difficult.
if they had said the phone calls we're difficult. >> i don't know how to argue to say it was a respectful phone call. he tweets out it's a respectful phone call. >> no lee. the fact that kelly goes on in the press conference. >> i had a very respectful phone call. >> the tweeted out. >> do you think this is helpful congressman? >> i have spoken to the president about twitter. he is not -- >> you can say -- i hear you, you can say yes or no. i want your assessment, he tweets right after her interview and say now he's disputing the account of the widow? >> it's in the news today no matter whether or not he posts that tweet. you're still going to -- the media is still going to be attacking the president for saying whatever it is -- >> he's acting not presidential. >> he said -- >> the president wants to have his end of the story. no listen, i don't want anything to get distracted from what's most important. >> be a president. >> the family has -- >> let the widow have her day. >> i don't want to keep talking over each other. >> it's a delay. go ahead, congressman zeldin.
>> i don't want this back and forth with regard to the president tweeting that it was a respectful conversation that he mentioned la david johnson's name from the beginning, that -- is that a distraction? yes. would we still be talking about this anyway? yes. >> the widow spoke today. there is not -- this is what's -- okay. this what is i feel like is lost. the widow is speaking out today. she wants answers in an investigation. >> yes. >> she says she was hurt by the president. >> yes. >> on some level, as a representative. >> most important. >> full stop. couldn't -- can't it stop there? >> sure. >> if i -- >> absolutely can. >> would you prefer congressman zeldin if it did stop there? >> i wish we weren't going back and forth at all did he say his name, not say his name, when did he say his name. now we've reached the point everyone agrees the president knew and said his name but we're not talking about, which we started off in this conversation, talking about an investigation -- >> we're talking about all of it. >> i'm talking to you about all of it.
and believe me, we're staying with the investigation. but the president seems to want to continue the conversation about what happened on the call himself. >> that conversation has happened regardless of whether or not the tweet goes out. >> i would like to point out, did you ever -- can we recall the days when president bush or president obama were arguing back and forth over twitter with a widow during the afghanistan war or during the iraq war, during the heydays of those days when we had bodies coming back every day? no. those presidents had dignity and acted like leaders. this president does not. the people around him like former general kelly, now chief of staff kelly, need to teach the president how to be a leader. a leader would not involve himself in this dris disgraceful action. a leader thinks about first his country and the men and women that sacrifice for this country. part would be to be quiet, take the lump, apologize and move on. instead of engaging in a back and forth. all you have to do -- the reason
he's doing it he needs to have this ego filled somehow he is correcting something that's been wronged. there is no winning or losing when it comes to this. just drop it, let the widow mourn, figure out what happens so it doesn't happen again and act like a president, especially in these hard times. these are the hardest moments you can have a as leader. i've made these phone calls. awful phone calls. no right way to do it. but the wrong way to do it is to go on the attack afterwards. >> sometimes leading is silence but i'm glad there has not been silence in this conversation. gentlemen, thank you so much for always coming on. >> thank you. >> you bring a very unique perspective. thank you so much. i really appreciate it. coming up, we could hear more from the president this morning when he sits down with the prime minister of singapore. who is going to be visiting him at the white house. what more will the president have to say? we will bring that live. plus an interview with c-span about the vietnam war, but did senator john mccain take another
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myeshia. the biggest tax cut ever in the history of this country, that is what president trump says is coming down the pike. he also has a warning of sorts for republican lawmakers right now, if they fail to do that, if they fail to pass those tax cuts and bring about tax reform that will cost them big in 2018. that came in a phone call yesterday with house republican members. tomorrow, president trump is heading to the hill to take -- you would assume a similar message to senate republicans during the weekly lunch. he is determined to get this whole deal done by the end of the year. fact or fiction, truth, reality,
congressional correspondent sunlen ser fatty joining me from capitol hill. where do things stand right now? >> the biggest truth is there are certainly a lot of moving pieces on this up here on capitol hill and no one knows quite how this is going to end. that said, the president's involvement ramping up underscores the real political imperative the white house and republicans have to get this done this year. but that said, beyond the politics of all of this, the truth is, that the policy is still very much influx. there is no firm tax bill being written. a lot of ideas being thrown out, essentially to see what sticks, and there's not consensus on the broad outlines of this tax bill just yet. now one of those ideas floated in the last couple days the idea that republicans were thinking about having a cap on 401(k) contributions, the president shot that down this morning over twitter. he said, quote, there will be no change to your 401(k).
this has always been a great and popular middle-class tax break that works and it stays. so trump there popping that trial balloon rather bluntly over twitter this morning. this underscoring the broad contours of the plan are coming together, puts a lot of political and policy pressure on the president when he he heads up here on the hill tomorrow. >> can the message be the same from sunday to tuesday. let us see. thank you so much, great to see you. >> joining me now amanda carpeter, political commentator and former communications director for senator ted cruz, chris cillizza for cnn politics and jack kingston, commentator former republican
congressman from georgia and former senior adviser to the trump campaign. great to see you. amanda, jumping on a conference call with house republicans on sunday, heading to the hill to meet with the senate republicans tomorrow, that sounds something like something we haven't seen in quite some time from this president, putting some skin in the game. is that what we're seeing now? >> i would hope so.
listen, it would help not only trump but the entire republican party whether you are pro-trump or a little ambivalent about him to get the ball rolling an get legislative wins. republicans reluctant to support trump if you care about getting him back on the rails give him something positive to talk about. pass these bills, pass tax reform, quit complaining about trump and do something positive to get him on the right track. >> but congressman, it still comes back down to the same question for folks on the hill, you hear it publicly and privately, can they trust that the president will get on board with whatever deal they
end up striking? last week the president flip flopped on his support for the bipartisan health care fix. i mean, how are they sure that won't happen with taxes too? >> i think the voters aren't leery of president trump. i think they're more leery of congress. >> that's fine if voters are leery but congress is the one who has to get legislation together to give to the president.
i'm talking about members of congress can they trust he's going to be with him? >> i think they can because if you remember a couple weeks ago and really all this year they've been talking about kind of a top down introduction by the gang of six, and now they're talking about going through regular order with committees, having hearings and amendments from the floor and rank and file. that's a very productive way to do it, do it organically. there's a lot of ideas out there. those ideas are 10, 12, 15 years old. it's not like they're going to be introduced and roll out something really new. they have to hammer together what would be the passable way to get 218 votes in the house and 60 or 51 in the senate. i guess 51 since it's reconcile sfligs regular order. that would have been an amazing thing to see with health care too. fabulous idea. chris -- >> i say they learned their lesson, kate. that's why they're doing it this way and that's going to be good. >> maybe that's what it is. speaking of learning lessons, chris, in an interview with fox
over the weekend, trump said that fact that health care was so difficult actually makes this easier. listen to this. >> i do believe we have the votes for health care at the appropriate time and i think that we're going to have the votes for taxes. i will say the fact that health care is so difficult, i think makes the taxes easier. >> do you think that's the reality, though, chris? >> i will say and amanda started with this, there is no question there is more appetite among republicans broadly for some sort of tax reform and tax cut. i don't think there's any question about that that's one of the pillars on which the modern party has been built, if there is a place that donald trump can unify the republican party, too much water may be under that bridge but if there is a place it is on taxes. the problem with it is similar to the problems on health care. which is, it's complicated. yes, on health care, everyone -- people say yes, we should make
sure everyone is covered. how do you pay for it? on taxes, you can't just get more money. right. there has to be -- you can't simply cut taxes and -- >> what? >> breaking news, you can't cut taxes and keep your services exactly as they are. so you have to square that circle at some point and that as it relates congress is where the rubber meets the road. what do you get rid of? if you think there are a lot of lobbyists on health care policy, tax policy there's ten thousand times as many. every little thing in the tax code there's 20 lobbyists that will work day and night to make sure that piece does not come out. so that's what's difficult. i will say, though, donald trump is right, i think, as it relates to legislative accomplishments and the need to do something on taxes. you have to go to the voters with something. you can't simply go to them with well, we didn't get health care, we didn't get tax reform, the wall isn't built, you have to show something. and this would be something. >> true. >> i think on this -- >> the 2018 blood bath didn't
work in the same conversation they had over health care, not so very long ago. see if it's any different this time. congressman, i want to get your reaction to this, though, john mccain, this weekend, listen to this. >> one aspect of the conflict, by the way, that i will never ever count is that we drafted the lowest income level of america and the highest income level found a doctor that would say they had a bone spur. that is wrong. that is wrong. >> an honest interpretation of that would be a direct hit against the president who received one of his deferments was for bone spurs. is john mccain right, congressman? >> i think it's kind of a sad statement for this man of john mccain's distinction to resurrect the draft statements during the vietnam war which was a torn period of time. i registered for the draft and i
knew nothing about wealthy kids that i went to high school or lived with that were able to game the system and get out of it. was that out there? it was out there. it's always been out there. as you know it's a big issue, 1992, when bill xhnts was running for president. i think to resurrect it without all the facts is inaccurate. i knew of nothing that wealthy kids were getting out of it and the -- what i did know is that vietnam war got everybody studying harder so that you can get your student deferment and that to me would have been the biggest difference between an "a" student or "c" and "d" student or somebody dropping out. but i'm not sure why senator mccain, with his prestige, has decided to go there. it just to me is below him. >> amanda, i with wonder why. why do you thnk john mccain has decided to go there, does it have anything to do with what the president has said about him as well? >> absolutely. and just, you know, rit large there's a lot of frustration in the republican party that's just sort of exploding out all over
the place. john mccain venting about the draft, and i think republicans really have to look inward because, you know, i get tired of all the complaining too. i don't want to be in this miserable place as a party. there is so much potential for good. but republicans if they want to be successful you really have to find a way to separate donald trump's personality, which you should speak out against and try to get him in line with when you can, from the policy, because donald trump is pretty darn good on policy and if you're a republican in congress and you're frustrated, get your nose to the grind stone and start passing some bills. don't ask like mitch mcconnell is, if the president will sign something before he brings it to the floor. he would turn a ham sandwich into the biggest legislative victory in the history of the republican. let him worry about the messaging. get the policy done and things will get better. >> don't slam ham sandwiches. i'm hungry. that's notes nice. amanda, you made a good point
that was something when mitch mcconnell said that to dana bash this weekend, that made my ears perk up as well because when it comes to health care, in terms of passing something only when you know the president is going to sign it, that is not what they did in 2016 when they sent a repeal bill to obama's desk and he vetoed it. i have something i want to get to chris, let me get it to you. >> sure. >> john mccain on the issue we're discussing right now john mccape is on "the view" his daughter is the new member at the table and for his birthday he was joining the view and asked if he thinks donald trump is a draft dodger. i'm going to hear the sound bite with you guys. >> you say bone spurs, do you consider him a draft dodger? >> i don't consider him a draft dodger as i feel the system was so wrong that certain americans could evade their responsibilities to serve the country. we should have either -- we finally did as you know, we went
to the all volunteer force. >> yeah. >> that's fine. someone wants to serve they should be able to. by the way, that is now down to about 1% or 2% of the american public. >> isn't it kind of -- >> so chris, maybe a little nuance there? >> yeah. i mean look, is there any love loss between donald trump and john mccain? no. does john mccain still feel some level of anger related to donald trump's comments in july 2015 he was not a real war hero he liked his war heros not captured of course. think about it in your own life. >> but i also think john mccain as his daughter said has bigger challenges he's up against right now. >> exactly. he is indicting -- remember the context. this was not -- this comment was on c-span as related to the vietnam war. >> exactly. >> not a conversation about current issues and he went back to that. >> that's correct. >> i do -- he has an issue with that as someone who served for a long time and lost a significant -- he can't raise his -- his arms above his
shoulders. it's more about the system that donald trump was able in his mind i think to game than it's about donald trump in particular. >> jack kingston, final question, one word answer you're good at that, tax reform pass the president's desk by the end the year no. >> yes. >> all right. i'm going to hold you to that. >> $1,000 raise per family. >> coming up for us, the $32 million -- the $32 million bill o'reilly bombshell. a report says the fired fox news host settled a sexual harassment claim for a stunning sum of money before the network resigned him. extended his contract. what's this snabts new details, new outrage ahead. you always pay
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a staggering $32 million secret settlement, that's the price former fox news star bill o'reilly reportedly agreed to pay after his former colleague lis weill of her sexual conduct against him. o'reilly denies wrong doing. here is what is raising eyebrows a month after the settlement the network renewed o'reilly's contract and raising his salary. brian stelter here with me now the host of reliable sources. the details are eye popping the numbers involved, but also putting under the microscope once again fox news in this post-harvey weinstein world. >> harvey weinstein is accused of far worse crimes than bill o'reilly has been accused of.
think about this harvey weinstein sometimes paid 50 or $100,000 to women who accused him of hament. here's bill o'reilly paying $32 million. a stunning number. the tv industry is trying trying to get its head around how could anyone pay this much to an accuser, what could have happened and this been about. according to the "new york times" wiehl was going to sue him for sexual ha rantment and nonconsensual claims. it happened over the course of many years. she brought back her claims and has no claims against o'reilly now that they have settled. >> o'reilly staying true to form is fighting this. >> yes. he is saying this is a plot to take him down. here's part of what he said to the "new york times." >> it's horrible what i went through. horrible what my family went through. this is crap. and you know it. it's politically and financially motivated.
and we can prove it with shocking information. >> he is saying he's the victim. he's saying there's a conspiracy to try to take him down. he's blaming "the new york times" saying they're out to get him. cnn's part of the conspiracy. all trying to ensure he's never back on television. >> well, being back on tv is one of the things that has -- that has a lot of people talking, gretchen carlson you spoke to her this weekend, the former fox news host that deserves a lot of the credit for having the strength and courage to come forward and speak about what happened with roger ailes to start this conversation. the fact that they would put him on tv after this kind of a settlement she said she -- i think she told you, horrifying. >> horrifying, yeah. >> outrageous. >> a month ago he was back on sean hannity's show on fox. >> megyn kelly is speaking out with juliet huddy, she said in the interview with megyn, she's terrified of the network. >> she still is. she says. this is because juliet hudedy is one of the women who accused aisles of harassment privately
and reached a settlement deal. she's limited in what she can say about o'reilly and fox. here's what she did say this morning. >> you have to think about your future and some want to make it go away and move on with their lives. >> are you scared today? >> i'm terrified. i'm actually terrified. i don't know why i'm about to cry, but it's just -- it's -- it's difficult. it's difficult -- i think people have regrets. i think people have regrets when they sign nondisclosure agreements. i would imagine they do. i think it's something that you grapple with when you're going through it and then you think it's the best move to make, but it's not necessarily the best move. >> interesting. she's one of the woman who signed this settlement, this nda, she can't really talk about what she says happened with bill o'reilly and fox news, you hear some regret in her voice about that. what we're seeing is a spotlight being shown right now on sexual harassment in the work place but on what companies do to try to
keep it quiet through the ndas, through the secret settlements. the fact that these are coming to light, i think it's providing some long overdue exposure into how this works or doesn't work. >> something that gretchen carlson is speaking out about a lot and coming to light with the harvey weinstein situation. different sides of the country and having a very similar conversation right now. >> you're right. great to see you. >> thanks. >> this is long from over. you can guess that. coming up, isis is on the run after u.s. backed forces take back their de facto capital city. where is the terror groups leader right now? where does the fight head next? we will go live to the new front line. give up, skeletor! you're finished! curse you, he-man, you interfering imbecile! give us one good reason we shouldn't vanquish you to another dimension! ok, guys, hear me out. switching to geico could save you... hundreds on car insurance. huh, he does make a point... i do like to save money...
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a major victory against isis. american-backed forces have recap toured syria's largest oil field from the terror group. it's the latest in a very big series of losses for isis. they are now intensifying the search for isis' leader. that's leading to a battlefield in a little known city in eastern syria. cnn correspondent nick peyton traveled to front line. nick, what did you see on that front line? >> reporter: at this point they've lost raqqa and syria and most of the key cities. they're down to one small area in parts of the euphrates river valley, isis, that is. they kind of to some degree have spent force to some territory they hold. interestingly enough, it's what comes in their wake. you mentioned the kurdish forces taking that oil field, and
that's part of them, as you said, pushing isis back to their territory. but it comes at a cost, because who we spoke to about that oil field said, we don't have the right to take it because we lost in that particular fight. they want it, too, and they're very nearby. so the broader question now is do the kurds get to keep that oil field or do they find themt themselves fighting against the syria regime, and more importantly, the russian backers. the kurds have u.s. aircraft backing them up wherever they go and the syrian regime have russian aircraft and military advisers on the ground doing the same things. there is the potential here for moscow and washington's interests ready to conflict. we have to see, really, how the territory and the spoils, if you like, of the fight against isis is divide d in this new kind of syria. it's very frought.
kate? >> nick, it's always amazing when you can bring back this reporting. great to see you. and this man has been in more than a dozen conflict zones, including syria. that is where he was kidnapped and finally being released in 2013. his new book, "the shattered lens, the story of captivity and survival in syria." i want to get a sense of what nick was talking about in his reporting. raqqa gets taken, a huge victory, but now the fighting pushes to a new front, the fighting pushes elsewhere in syria. what is the impact? you covered the impact on the people in syria. what is the impact on them after all these years? >> syria will never be the same. i also believe syria will never recuperate its original borders.
kurdigstan has a big stake in recovering their borders. i think the big question is what will happen to europe. europe has had a lot of issues when it comes to this situation and they will have to deal with that. >> we see thesei issues. when raqqa was taken, the images that came out, they were just reduced to nothing in that city. how do they rebuild to something raqqa was? >> there's been many wars everywhere, and things always get rebuilt. people will probably make money on this and they'll start rebuilding. i know there are contracts being drawn up in syria as we speak to build up cities that were destroyed. >> to get to your story, held captive for 81 days back in 2013. that was your third trip into syria. blindfolded, handcuffed, tortured. you talk about it in your book, the story you're telling now. were there times when you
thought that was it, that that was the end of it for you? >> there are many situations. one of them is a lot of marked executiocompeten -- mock executions, so you don't know if it's the real one or if they're pretending. i went through a lot of torture in the beginning, and you never know how that will hend up. you always anticipate the fact this could be the last day. but also the military situation on the ground was very difficult. we were being shelled constantly, so in the end having a bomb dropped on me was actually a relief because at least it would be over and it's done with and being tortured, which was consistent. >> we know how you got out, that a ransom was paid. that's how it ends for a lot of folks with these groups. if they're going to get out alive, that's how it ends. how did you make it through, though? >> well, you find out a lot of things about yourself in terms of how much you can take in the
situation, and then you're able to try to see if you can push the envelope further and just making your life easier from maybe getting a little extra water or be able to go to the bathroom an extra time that day. and also the most important aspect for me was to make sure they liked me, so i was always very friendly. >> really. >> i used to pray with them, i used to cook for them, i used to do a lot of things that made me very friendly to them and hopefully made them think perhaps i wasn't a bad person, that i could be a friend of theirs. >> but in no way did you ever think anybody was your friend. >> no. you have to spend a lot of time manipulating people to make friends with everybody. >> just trying to survive. >> exactly. >> after all of this, and we see the images coming out of syria now, do you think you'll head back to syria? >> i was very attempted to go to raqqa, but for various personal reasons, i was told not to. i did go to mosul multiple times
this year, so i did go back. it's a very hard thing when you do what we do for a living and let it go and move forward. it's kind of in your bloodstream, so being in war constantly has become some sort of addiction in some way, so it's hard to let that go. >> after this, what's the most important thing you want people to understand about if there is any lesson learned from your time in captivity and torture of what you learned? >> it's a good question. it's a difficult question to answer. in my opinion, it's really what you can find about yourself, like how much you can take, and then you also realize other things that you've left behind, family and loved ones, and perhaps when you come home, you appreciate that a little better. >> it's great to see you, great to meet you. thank you so much for coming in and sharing your story. jonathan alpeyrie, you can pick up his book now, "the shattered lens." we could hear more from mr.
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