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and corker unleashed on president trump, a man he campaigned for, listen to what he said. >> he said he's an untruthful president. are you calling -- >> no question. we grew up in our family not using the "l" word, okay, but yeah, just i mean, they're provable untruths. provable. so on the iran deal, everybody knows the role i played there and they're working with me, interestingly, right now, on tax reform. i made the deal with toomey that, you know, that has allowed that to go forward. obviously i want to make sure it's done properly. and then everything else, four times, he encouraged me to run and told me he would endorse me. i don't know. it's amazing. unfortunately, i think world leaders are very aware of much
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of what he says is untrue. certainly people here are. because these things are provably untrue. i mean, just -- they're just factually incorrect and people know the difference. so i don't know why he lowers himself to such a low, low standard and debases our country in the way he does but he does. i don't like responding. you know, you can let him go unanswered but -- and it's just not me to -- we don't do tweets like that. we've responded twice to, again, untruths, but it's unfortunate our nation finds itself in this place. >> is the president of the united states a liar? >> the president has great difficulty with the truth. on many issues. >> do you regret supporting him in the election? >> well let's just put it this way, i would not do that again. >> you wouldn't support him again? >> i wouldn't, no. i think that he's proven himself
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unable to rise to the occasion. i think many of us, me included, have tried to, you know -- i've intervened, had private dinner, been with him on multiple occasions to try to create some kind of aspirational approach if you will to the way that he conducts himself, but i don't think that that's possible, and he's, obviously, not going to rise to the occasion as president. >> do you think he's a role model to children of the united states? >> no. >> you don't? >> no. absolutely not. i think that, you know, the things that are happening right now that are -- that are harmful to our nation, whether it's the breaking down of we're going to be doing some hearings on some of the things that he purposely is breaking down relationships we have around the world that have been useful to our nation, but i think at the end of the day, when his term is over, i
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think the debasing of our nation, the constant nontruth telling, the name calling, the things, i think the basement of our nation will be what he will be remembered most for and that's regretful. and it affects young people. i mean we have young people who for the first time are, you know, watching a president stating, you know, absolute nontruths, nonstop, personalizing things in the way that he does, and it's very sad for our nation. >> do you trust him with access to the nuclear codes? >> i don't want go into, you know -- i don't want to -- we're going to be in our hearing process we will be addressing the fact that he, with only the one other person on the defense side, has tremendous powers and,
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you know, i have -- again, i don't want to -- i don't want to carry this much further but look, i expressed concerns a few weeks ago about his leadership and just his stability and the lack of desire to be competent on issues and understand and, you know, i -- nothing has changed. but again, i don't want to make this, you know, a daily issue. you know, the there's work that we need to do and he currently is the person that, from the executive side, we have to deal with and the shame of it is, there are some really good people around him and if he would stay out of their way and let them perform, people like tillerson and mattis and others, you know, we could really make progress on things that matter greatly to our country.
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>> all right. a remarkable interview. let me tell you how we got here. president trump is headed to capitol hill shortly to have lunch with republican senators to talk about tax cuts. senator bob corker, even before this interview with manu, did a round of interviews this morning talking about tax cuts. he said he didn't believe that the president has the skill or the commitment to shepherd through the type of tax reform that bob corker would like to see. the president responded on twitter, really lashing out, he said bob corker, who helped president o. give us the bad iran deal and couldn't get elected dog catcher in tennessee is fighting tax cuts, corker dropped out of the race in tennessee when i refused to endorse him and now only negative on anything trump look at his record and then as senator corker was talking to manu, the president tweeted, isn't it sad that senator bob corker who couldn't get elected in the state of tennessee will now fight tax cuts plus. we don't know. we know that he didn't support the president's iran deal.
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he voted against president obama's iran deal. and bob corker says it's a lie that he would not endorse him if he decided to run for re-election in tennessee. that is how we got to this point in that interview manu raju had with senator corker. manu joins me right now and senator corker, after he talked to you, kept on talking and again, this all sets the stage for this republican senate lunch today. >> yeah. no question about it. really sets the stage of what corker is trying to do in his final year or so in office. is he's trying to take it to the president and try to steer him in a direction away from what corker views as a reckless direction. he thinks that he's trying to ratchet up the pressure on the president, speaking out against him in rather stark terms when he believes the president is on the wrong side of the issues. one thing that you need to be mindful of, john, corker said he will use his committee to
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spotlight a number of things he believes the president has done incorrectly in the world, things that he has done to tarnish relationships around the world. a powerful person on the senate foreign relations committee he's going to use that as a vehicle of sort to go after the president over his policy and his decisions and his tweets. corker really has not let back. after he talked to me he did talk to other reporters too. i was in that gaggle. he reiterated a lot of same things he said to me. i tried to ask him if he thought the president should be removed from office. he would not answer that question. and he also would not answer the question, the notable question, earlier in my interview when i asked him does he trust the president with access to the nuclear codes. he would not say if he did trust the president on that issue as well. but remarkable to hear a sitting united states senator from the same party as the president, saying that he does not believe the president is a role model to
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children. that is a stunning statement, believing that the president has debased this country, and something that we'll see other republican senators join in. he is retiring, giving him more freedom to speak out, where he is particularly incensed at the president for what he believes are lies that the president has said for his running for re-election. the president saying he's not running because the president did not offer an endorsement. that is flatly untrue according to corker. on four straight occasions corker said trump said he would endorse him if he ran again. leading to the snowball effect. i don't think it will end any time soon. the president himself is not backing down and neither is bob corker. >> manu raju, remarkable interview on capitol hill. we are waiting to hear from house republican leaders right now, paul ryan and his colleagues holding a news conference, may be asked questions about this. if we know paul ryan he would rather chew glass than answer questions about the fight between corker and president
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trump. we will take you there if it does happen. joining me political commentator ana navarro, ana and jason, i think you will have a disagreement on what we heard this morning. i will start with april. you've covered the white house for a long, long time. just put this in context when you have a senator from a member of the president's own party lashing out like we heard from senator corker, the debasement of our nation is what he will be most remembered for. >> and that's not a democrat saying that. that is someone in his own party. you know, this is something that we have been hearing quietly by republicans, calling many of us saying this, they won't give voice to it or their name to it but now you have a name, a face, someone on camera. of course, we've heard from senator john mccain who will not call out the president's name and heard them going back and forth but this is someone new, someone who is giving voice to
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it, giving face to it and yes, you know, this president is anti-climate change, pro-life, pro-gun, pro-marriage, saying he's not for same-sex marriage. this is what the republicans love and these pro-life and everything like that. the other stuff is the problem. for this senator to say that i believe, we'll start hearing other senators who feel safer in their districts or congressional leaders who feel safer in their districts to give voice to this and give their faces because we've been hearing this for so long behind the scenes and now it's out. of course senator corker doesn't have anything to worry about. he's not committing political suicide, he is not running again. but he is in the bible belt who still -- there are still some in that community who love this president. >> jason miller, you worked for the president's campaign. you worked in the transition. you're still very loyal to the white house. what's your reaction to this today?
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>> well, john, i spoke with a senior administration official late last night to get a sense of what this lunch was going to look like today and they sounded very excited. a lot of optimism especially after the president's leadership to help move the house so much further along on the budget and on the tax-cutting process. so to see senator corker wake up this morning and effectively act as a surrogate for the dnc is very disappointing. this is way out of sorts of the mainstream for most republicans are who want to get tax cuts done, who want to push forward on president trump's agenda, and the thing that really struck me from senator corker this morning is his line saying that we need to leave it to the professionals and i would ask him professionals like whom, hillary clinton? keep in mind senator corker loved president trump when he wanted to be the vice president or the secretary of state and to now see this clap back from him this morning, really undercutting the lunch. i think it's unfortunate. president trump is going to be focused today, talking about tax cuts, trying to build broader consensus to get this done.
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thank goodness we have senators portman hatch leading the charge. we haven't heard folks talk about this morning you will see in the lunch the president really make the case that we need to get his nominations through. too many are being held up for silly reasons. people need to have these folks in their positions to help moves us forward and look for the president to make a push there too. >> one quick point before i turn it over to ana, when he was talking about leaving it to the professionals he was talking about rex tillerson, not talking about hillary clinton. now ana, your response? >> you know, listening to bob corker today, frankly gave me a heavy heart. first of all, hope that courage is contains you and a lot of those republicans that are talking behind the scenes and are talking in whispers like april says, look at what corker is saying and realize that they, too, have a duty to speak. corker is not being a spokesperson for the dnc. he's being a spokesperson for the republicans who feel they cannot speak. republicans will have lost their spine. it gave me a heavy heart.
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bob corker is inherently a very nice guy. he's a very civil southern guy. type of guy that says ma'am and sir. who can't bring himself to say the word lie, so he says untruth. he's a loyal republican. he is a team player. he's very serious about policy issues, particularly foreign policy issues. this is a guy who supported this president, who wanted to work with this president and gave this president the chance. i think he turned sour on donald trump during charlottesville where we first heard bob corker, before retiring, before making the decision of retiring, and not running again, when we first heard bob corker come out and criticize, you know, very vocally what donald trump's actions and words were was after charlottesville and it's grown since then. i think what you are seeing is a man that is being led by his principles, by his conscience, by his duty to his constituents and by his love of country. >> one second.
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speaker of the house paul ryan is taking questions. let's listen in. >> [ inaudible ]. talking about tax reform, [ inaudible ] back and forth explanation with senator corker. what does that do to your effort to tax reform with the president? >> i don't think it changes our efforts on tax reform. i know bob, who supported the budget, wants to get tax reform, the president wants to get tax reform. i'm glad they're coming -- i'm glad the president is coming to lunch. i long believe it's best to settle these things in person and i hope that they can get a chance to do that. sherman. >> [ inaudible ]. >> wait. you're going to go on. >> you guys last time [ inaudible ]. republicans a piece of the government responsible, sober leaders in government and the president is saying elected, corker is calling him a liar. what should voters think about this? >> what they should think about
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are the results we achieve for the american people. so you know what we're focused on, what's within our control and within our control here in congress is getting stuff done for the american people and getting a healthier economy, bigger paychecks, more take home pay. that is important. at the end of the day, i know bob well, bob is going to vote for tennessee he's going to vote for america, he's going to vote for tax reform because he knows it's in the best interest of americans, so put this twitter dispute aside, the fact is, we have a historic chance of actually fixing this tax code, giving people pay raises and getting the american economy growing at the rate where we can actually get bigger paychecks, more take home pay, healthier economy. that's what matters. so all this stuff you see on a daily basis twitter this and that, forget about it. let's focus on helping people improving people's lives and doing the things we said we would do that accomplishes that. you're going to ask about this? >> all right. good. yeah, fine.
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>> how do you plan to lower rates? >> i would love to answer that question because that's what the ways and means committee chairman does, but i'm going to have to defer you to kevin brady, the ways and means committee, they hold the pen on this thing negotiating this bill, writing this bill. all these questions will be answered shortly when the ways and means committee puts out their mark. if you have specific questions i would encourage you to can the ways and means committee. >> [ inaudible ]. >> yeah. the house, yes. so there's different deer seasons. there's bow season, there's gun season, muzzle loader season. so -- >> so you see him with a beard you will know when the season is. so yeah, we get this done by thanksgiving, thanksgiving week is opening week of gun season, so our goal is to get it out of the house by then. the senate is going to be a little slower on their trek. because as you know, taxis first in the house. but muzzle loader season, let me
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check with the wisconsin muzzle leader season, our goal is to get it by the end of this year. >> i thought you were giving it up. >> we'll give up christmas if we have to for tax reform. that's what i said before. you're going to quote me on that. i'm joking about that. we're going to get this done. look at casey, you guys are -- you're staying here with us too. yeah. just kigdding. that's what conference committees are all about. thank you, everybody. appreciate it. >> all right. speaker of the house paul ryan there, more or less pleading with reporters to not ask more questions about this white hot feud between senator bob corker chairman of the senate foreign relations committee, republican, and the president of the united states right now when he did answer questions he had a historic level dodge. he's just glad that the president is headed up to capitol hill today to have a lunch where senator corker will be so they have a chance to work things out. i'm not sure that's going to happen. why do i say that?
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because as speaker ryan was talking, we had yet another statement from the president of the united states about bob corker. let me read it to you. saying that corker is the incompetent head of the foreign relations committee and look how poorly the u.s. has done. he doesn't have a clue. and then the ellipsis indicating there could be more coming. we'll bring it to you when it happens. joined by april, ana, and jason. something very important happened this morning, it was during manu's interview with senator corker, manu asked senator corker if he regrets supporting the president and senator corker says he would not do it again. is that now a question, april, that will be posed to the other 51 sitting u.s. republican senators? >> you know, the question is, it's not just about the senators, it's about the american public. there's a lot of buyers remorse right now and, you know, since this president has been in
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office, we've seen a lot of different things. going back to what ana said, charlottesville was a watershed moment for this president. this was a major moment. one of the marks for this president and how he handled it, it turned a lot of people off. i mean i've been talking to a lot of republicans, people who used to be in administrations in washington, and they are saying, you know, we have to do something about this. something is wrong. so it's not just about the senators. and -- but i'm thinking about what paul ryan also said about the president. you know, someone asked him about how the president handles things. he said yes, he uses different language. that was a euphemistic way to talk about the president in his -- who comes off brash in a different way, like a bull in a china shop. i don't think it's just about leadership in washington. it's about the american public as well. >> but april, and i know you say you've heard from republicans, ana navarro you say senator corker is speaking for republicans, but i spoke to
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roger wit ker from mississippi, steve bannon wants to unseat, if roger was looking for a reason to be upset with the president there is one right there and roger wicker told me senator corker's statements are unhelpful, ana. it's not like we publicly see that many u.s. elected republicans speaking out like bob corker? >> oh, i think you're right. we're not seeing it publicly. we are seeing more do it publicly. we are seeing people like george w. bush speak out publicly, we are seeing john mccain speak out publicly. i, too, like paul ryan, am glad that donald trump is going to this republican lunch today in the senate and i hope that people like senator ben sass, that people like senator jeff flake, susan collins, lisa murkowski, john mccain, bob corker speak to him frankly. he needs to be reminded that the senate and the house they're not his mignons, they're not his enablers they are his co-equals. a co-equal branch of government and they deserve respect. they should not be bullied, they should not be bullied by being
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threatened with primaries or being threatened and being the target of morning twitter tirades. this morning i'm glad he's tweeting against bob corker and not a gold star family. that's where we are in 2017, that gives me some grade of relief. but republicans need to talk frankly with this president. they need to stand up to him. because we're nine months into this, and it's not getting any better. it is getting much, much worse. >> all right. i promised you that the ellipsis told us that president trump was going to have more to say about bob corker let me read it to you now. i'll read you the whole tweetp senator corker the incompetent head of the foreign relations committee and look how poorly the u.s. has done he doesn't have a clue as now he added the entire world was laughing and taking advantage of us. people like little bob corker have set the u.s. way back. now we move forward. you know, jason miller, i know you're saying the president and the white house want to look forward, they want to get tax
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cuts done, but reading these tweets, it would be hard not to have the sense that the president has had his feathers roughl ruffled this morning. >> i think anyone would be -- >> does it sting at all? >> anyone would be annoyed here's a day we will get together and talk about tack cuts to lead to paycheck increases to for american workers this one rogue senator decided to take a position that's completely out of line with the rest of the republican party. look, i think that speaker ryan had the exact right tone. which was he was upbeat, he was enthusiastic, wants to talk about the agenda and what we're trying to do for people and where post republicans are. look, the economy is doing great, i think we're reasserting our standing on the world stage and i don't know what the heck was in senator corker's oatmeal this morning, but it's completely out of sorts with where i think the rest of the party is and again, i got to go back to the point especially with those comments he was making to manu earlier, this man wanted to be v.p. and wanted to be secretary of state, and he
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didn't get either position and so now, to come back and make these comments about well, i'm not sure if i would support the president again. >> that was then. this is now. >> i think that really speaks to -- that makes him look very small. >> you know what it speaks to, the fact that bob corker had hope that donald trump would grow into the presidency. >> i disagree. >> gravitas of the position. now nine months later he is disgusted and disappointed. >> watching this president -- >> a president who continues to be -- >> ana, april, the sky is not falling, we're going to get tax cuts through, everyone will get a tax cut. >> some people think it is. some people actually -- even in the republican party, they believe it is falling on the international stage. >> april, it's not. no one thinks the sky is falling. >> i'll tell you what, let's hope it does not fall. >> don't discredit me, trust me. i can give you the names of republicans and democrats if you want to know. >> no, don't reveal sources. >> fire away. >> listen, i just gave you -- i named six. you say one rogue senator.
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i said john mccain, i said susan collins, lisa murkowski, ben sass, jeff flake, and bob corker. that's almost 15%. >> it if they're all on board, they're on board with tax cuts as well. >> the issue is what will today -- >> hang on, guys. we're going to do, guys, april, april, we got ten seconds left, go ahead. >> yes. >> april? >> what will the luncheon really look like today? i said what will the luncheon look like today? the question they're fighting back and forth and the president when he feels his back is against the wall he lashes out. so the question is will it be about policy or about his anger? >> i don't know but i hope they hand out antacids. >> ana, april, jason, this will be one special lunch to be sure. thank you all so much for being with us. appreciate it. we have other news, 24 minutes after the hour, new details about the ambush that killed four u.s. soldiers in niger but some questions still unanswered. why did it take so long to find the body of sergeant la david
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new details on the ambush in niger that left four u.s. soldiers dead. 20 days since that attack. the pentagon briefing on this anew. ryan browne live at the pentagon. >> we learned from this very rare appearance from general joseph dunford, chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, we learned more about the timeline of the events in question. now, there was this group went out on patrol on october 3rd, was described as a civil military routine reconnaissance mission and they spent overnight out in the field and it was on their way returning to their base where they were ambushed by 50 isis fighters in this remote
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part of niger. u.s. troops wait an hour before they called for any support after coming under attack. and then it took another hour for air support to actually arriving in the form of french mir ran jets. this atack left four u.s. soldiers dead and two wounded and five nigerian troops killed. even after providing this timeline general dunford acknowledged there were additional questions that remained unanswered. >> did the mission of u.s. forces change during the operation? did our forces have adequate intelligence, equipment and training? was there a premission assessment of the threat in the area accurate? did they decide to do something different than the original patrol with the partner forces? those are some of the key questions that the investigation is looking to uncover. >> reporter: one of the biggest unanswered questions is how sergeant la david johnson became separated from the rest of his team by up to a mile officials tell cnn. this is something ta will be
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looked at in the investigation as it unfolds and there are additional questions as well. but remains to be seen exactly what happened during that fire fight that left four u.s. soldiers dead and two wounded. john? >> ryan browne at the pentagon thanks so much. joining me cnn military analyst retired kourn until cedric leighton, and jason beersly, former u.s. special operations. you were deployed under centcom and africom, several operations, what are the biggest unanswered questions you have? >> well, we're going too get -- thank you. we're going to get questions after the investigation is doesn't and we have the soldiers there. we've got green berets in contact, we've got the support soldiers. this was a chaotic ambush out in a remote environment. these guys were operating at some level of risk any wastways. this is a continuation of a mission we've run relatively
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routinely. i'm not sure that right now we have anything to really be concerned about except that when that information comes in, we'll know precisely how our forces were dispositioned and what the enemy forced were there. this was a chaotic scene, so it's going to take a little time but we'll get there. >> talk about the investigation right now, the investigators on the ground, whab are they doing? >> right now what they're doing is looking at what they can possibly see from the standpoint of what types of weapons were used against the u.s. special forces, they're looking at what the angle of attack was, where did the isis fighters or alleged isis fighters come from. and also they're going to be piecing together things such as the intelligence picture. what did the special forces team actually know, how were they prepared from an intelligence perspective, and then how were they trained to handle these various types of missions. the other thing that they'll do, john, look at exactly how the
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nigerian forces were dealing with this and how much of a partnership there was between the forces involved. >> well, and to that point, jason, one of the concerns might be that the village that the servicemen were meeting in, that the villagers somehow stalled the soldiers to give the insurgents more of a chance to stage their attack. that would be a cause for serious concern if the people that u.s. soldiers are working amongst can't be trusted. >> right. this is a very difficult area. again it's an austere environment on the border of mali. boko haram in the south, islamic state elements in the north,ele the villagers are going to have these split loyalties. our special forces will be cooperative with our host nation forces but that doesn't mean that the villagers on the ground are always trustworthy. let's not forget the names of sergeant bryan black, jeremiah johnson, and, of course, you have dustin wright and la david johnson as well.
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we have special forces that are trained well, they will have a good partnership with the nigerian forces. things like you just asked how much do we trust the villagers, that's going to come out in the end and we're going to find out what the operational tempo was there. but remember, there's two form of intelligence. the strategic, what's happening in general, the environment, but there's also the tactical. when this mission unfolded, it went dynamic, explosive, very fast. having that tactical intelligence, there might have been a gaffe there but that does not mean there was a general gap in the strategic intelligence. >> colonel lleyton, talk to me about what the air support concern or lessons might be a better word, might be going forward. there was a drone on the site very quickly. we don't know if it had the capacity to fire. french mir ramgs, french air support did not fire for whatever reason. how can you address this concern going forward? >> part would be how you engage the air force involved and what kind of air forces you have at
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the disposition of troops like these special forces units. so in this particular case, you've got a drone like you said, john, that was overhead, and very quickly overhead, and that tells me that they could very easily have positioned the drone if they had known that there was a troop in contact, troops in contact type situation. the french forces, they cheerily responded, perhaps there's a way to make that response quicker, although the distances involved are very, very large. >> and, of course, the most important thing here is to make sure something like this does not happen again to improve -- >> don't forget those troops in contact, were very close to the enemy forces. >> absolutely. >> so getting close air support, requires a little bit of distance between our forces and theirs. we don't think they had that in this incident. that's something we'll find out. >> as you said the facts are what's so important here and learning is what's so important here to make sure again things like this can be prevented if they can be prevented. cedric and jason, thanks for being with us.
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appreciate it. >> you bet. >> thank you. >> this could be awkward, the president heading to capitol hill for a big meeting with republicanp senators, but all morning long he's been in a brutal, bitter feud with a very powerful republican senator. ♪
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president trump is headed to capitol hill for lunch with republican senators supposed to be talking about tax cuts to hammer out a deal to cut taxes for millions of americans. before this lunch a brutal, bitter, back and forth between the president of the united states and the chairman of the senate foreign relations committee, bob corker, senator corker says the debasement of our nation is what he will be remembered for, says he would
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not support the president again, the president responded calling senator corker liddle bob corker and said the senator could not get elected dog catcher in tennessee. seems like a good basis to hammer out a tax deal. joining me is daniel, director and founder of the harvard international program. thanks so much for being with us. i want to start with the back and forth today. where in your syllabus do you cover the utility of insults, calling people liddle bob corker, how does that help in a negotiation? >> how does it help? well, typically, an insult leads to another insult. it invites an escalation, a conflict of tension. at the end of the day it really depends what is your purpose in a negotiation. if it's to enlist somebody else's support, then insult probably isn't the best strategy forward. >> in other words, probably not covered specifically in the forward of your syllabus or book in how to make friends and
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influence people. the president considers himself one of the great deal makers in the history of the universe. up until this point in his presidency he hasn't been able to hammer out many deals. you note the things that made him a good deal maker in the real estate community if you believe that to be the case, don't necessarily work in politics, why? >> president trump tends to approach negotiation like a positional bargainer, and the rules of positional bargaining are very clear. you start with an extreme demand, sometimes an outrageous demand, you concede stubbornly, and you demonstrate a greater willingness than the other side to walk away from the negotiation table. and this is classic trump doctrine around negotiation. now, it can work under certain conditions. if i'm negotiating in morocco, that approach might work, but when dealing with extremely
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complicated issues, when relationship is incredibly important, and when the long-term interactions are also extremely important, positional bargaining tends not to work well. you create enemies, information isn't transferred effectively and the deals you want to get done tend not to be done. >> i think that's a great point here. when dealing with the u.s. senate the lawmakers will be there tomorrow the day after and the day after. when you call bob corker, liddle bob corker, he's leaving the senate but there another 14 months, the way you negotiate this deal has ramifications after the deal is struck. another aspect of the president's deal making called the mad man theory of international relations, henry kissinger said of richard knicks son unpredictable it would leave the vietnamese and others wondering what he might do. might launch a nuclear weapon and might cause them to strike a better deal. the president likes to use unpredictability in all aspects of his negotiation, again is
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there a value in unpredict snblts. >> i mean there absolutely is a value but in the long run in the scheme of things, it's not an effective strategy. i mean you put it down to a practical -- to simplify the situation, every time my wife and i get into a conflict, if i threaten to walk out of the relationship or to sue her family, that's not going to help us come to good solutions to the problems that we might have. i think in the international arena, the same basic concept holds true. constantly threatening does not allow people to feel comfortable enough to share information, you're not building value, you're holding on to a position, threatening that, you know, if the other side does not follow through with that commission, you're going to commit an awful act on them. it doesn't help with problem solving when what our world needs right now, i think, is much more dialog, much more problem solving. >> daniel shapiro, expert on
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negotiation, thanks for joining us. you're our first guest from norway, thanks so much. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. >> all right. the president says he is certain not only will his wall be built but it will stop drugs from coming across the u.s./mexico border. next, would drug smugglers even care if the wall was built? >> tech: don't wait for a chip like this to crack your whole windshield.
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comes to opioids, what would this wall actually do? joining us now cnn chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta has take an really close look at all these issues. sanjay. >> john, it's a great question and i will start off by saying look, the war on drugs as people know it, is a totally different war nowadays. the drugs are so different as you're about to see in terms of potency and size and quantity, you can decide what you think if a wall would actually make a difference. what is the first thing that flags this? >> sometimes the driver's behavior, unnaturally nervous for crossing the border. sometimes the car hasn't crossed the border a lot or sometimes the car crossed the border too often. >> reporter: what you're witnessing are efforts in stopping drugs from coming through the u.s. mexican border? >> almost every car crossing is crossing for a legitimate reason. it's a small percentage that comes in carrying contraband but
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when the inspectors pick up on something their success rate is pretty high. when you saw the dog sit down at the back of the car that's how that dog alerts. >> reporter: the special agent in charge oversees the tucson field office for homeland security investigations and drugs are a big part of what he does. >> this is how it happens. what we're witnessing here is -- >> what happens every day along the southwest border of the u.s. and, you know, the officers at the ports of entry are phenomenal, they're fantastic in identifying fresh tool marks that shouldn't be there. a screw that recently been turned, they can pick up on that. they're experts. >> human art and intelligence together. >> absolutely. >> reporter: what they find, about 24 kilos of hard drugs. minutes later, field testing reveals cocaine. >> this is a win today. >> this is definitely a win. >> reporter: in the midst of the
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country's opioid epidemic, president trump has made building up the wall a cornerstone of his agenda. >> the wall is going to get built. in case anybody has any question, the wall is going to get built and the wall is going to stop drugs. >> reporter: but i wanted to learn how effective the wall would be at accomplishing that. this is a physical wall in between two countries that we're looking at here. >> the vast amount of hard narcotics don't come through in places like this. the vast amount of hard narcotics come through at the ports of entry where we just were. >> reporter: and besides meth, cocaine, heroin or marijuana, it's fentanyl which is 50 times stronger than heroin, the biggest challenge. the recent numbers for the centers of disease control found that overdose deaths from synthetic opioids like fentanyl rose over 72% in just a year. in the past cartels might try
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and smuggle 100 kilograms of drugs across the border. it wasn't easy to do. they were likely to get caught. here's part of the problem. nowadays, they can smuggle across something that looks like this. this is just a one kilogram bag of flour but if this were street fentanyl it would cost about $8,000 to make, could be turned into a million pills and then sold for 20 to $30 million on the black market. all of that from a small container that looks like this. >> the vast majority of fentanyl is produced in china, that comes into the u.s. two ways, it comes into mexico where it is compressed into pill form or combined with heroin and the other way american consumers buying it direct oftentimes from vendors out of china. >> gets mailed? >> u.s. mail, small quantity of meant nall is very hard to detect in the masses of letters that come into the u.s. every day. >> how effective is a wall at
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preventing drugs from getting into the united states? >> in terms of hard narcotics i don't know we will get immediately safer. the vast majority of hard narcotics come in through the ports of entry in deep concealment or come in through the mail or express consignments. >> i should point out when it comes to the mail, you may know this, there's about a million pieces of mail that come in every day that have no electronic record. we don't know where it came from, how many places that piece of mail may have visited beforehand. that's the real concern. it's the drugs are so small as you saw there, john, the mail has become an option for people trying to get this into the country. >> the two pound bag of flour if that were a package of fentanyl, you know, a million pain pills, how potent is that? >> it's so potent, john. when i was in medical school in training, there was nothing that you would say is 100 times more powerful than morphine but it is. 100 times more powerful than morphine and constantly
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manipulating it to make it more powerful than that as well. you heard about car fentanyl, some people have referred to it as an elephant tranquilizer. it's nuts. people who think about experimentation in any way, experimenting with drugs, trying it once, those days are over. because people who would experiment with something like this, are literally putting their lives on the line nowadays given how powerful this stuff is. the economics as you point out, $8,000 worth of raw ingredients could be turned into $30 million. they're going to keep trying over and over and over again with an incentive like that. >> and again, the wall, not exactly a line of defense according to the officials you talked to against that coming into the country. dr. sanjay gupta thanks for being with us. an important look as we face this, this week. a stunning rebuke, republican senator bob corker slamming the president just before the two men will have lunch. this is getting ugly. if you can train oxford to sit... sit you can train yourself to cook with less oil.
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he's brought us to the obstructed justice at the fbi. and in direct violation of the constitution, he's taken money from foreign governments and threatened to shut down news organizations that report the truth. if that isn't a case for impeaching and removing a dangerous president, then what has our government become? i'm tom steyer and, like you, i'm a citizen who knows it's up to us to do something. it's why i'm funding this effort to raise our voices together and demand that elected officials take a stand on impeachment. a republican congress once impeached a president for far less. yet, today, people in congress and his own administration know this president is a clear and present danger who is mentally unstable and armed with nuclear weapons. and they do nothing. join us and tell your
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member of congress that they have a moral responsibility to stop doing what's political and start doing what's right. our country depends on it. hello, everyone. i'm kate bolduan. all that talk of interparty fighting among republicans, the bickering, in fighting, that's nothing compared to what we just saw this morning. as the president prepares to head to capitol hill for a unifying lunch with senate republicans, unity seems to be the last thing on the menu right now. republican senator bob corker speaking out on the morning shows, on a couple morning shows, criticized the president and called today's visit to the hill more of a photo op than anything of substance. did not sit well with the president.

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